Makati

[Kazeu]

Got it. Actually the one thing that Filipinas are better at is English. That allows more playfulness than Pattaya. Its still possible to get a less commercial feel in the Philippines than in Thailand. However the value of AC over Patts is getting less and less apparent. Cebu is a better bet but you have to play the online game and there is no bar fun.

I was going to say the exact same thing. English is a huge one in the plus column for the filipinas, even though I admit that thais are physically more attractive. Some thais do speak english, but for me their accent is tough to listen to.

[Expat American]

Actually, I was agreeing with you. See the AC thread: it's amazing the number of times that guys buy multiple drinks and then get shitty when it does nothing to change girls' future attitudes to PSE, agreeing to barfine etc.

I've often said that AC, or even PI, does not withstand any objective comparison to Pattaya. Pattaya wins in nearly every way. Having said that, many still come for subjective reasons: familiarity, GFE, friends in town etc. I've never had an issue with guys spending their money wherever they see fit.

Cheers and enjoy Patts.

G.

Got it. Actually the one thing that Filipinas are better at is English. That allows more playfulness than Pattaya. Its still possible to get a less commercial feel in the Philippines than in Thailand. However the value of AC over Patts is getting less and less apparent. Cebu is a better bet but you have to play the online game and there is no bar fun.

[Goferring]

I'm not sure why you posted this in response to my post?

I'm writing this from Pattaya where I just had fully naked girls all over me for 190 be (300 P) the same price as LD in Phils.

Actually, I was agreeing with you. See the AC thread: it's amazing the number of times that guys buy multiple drinks and then get shitty when it does nothing to change girls' future attitudes to PSE, agreeing to barfine etc.

I've often said that AC, or even PI, does not withstand any objective comparison to Pattaya. Pattaya wins in nearly every way. Having said that, many still come for subjective reasons: familiarity, GFE, friends in town etc. I've never had an issue with guys spending their money wherever they see fit.

Cheers and enjoy Patts.

G.

[Expat American]

Girls and punters treat Lady Drinks totally differently.


Moral of the story is that if you are buying LDs make use of them straight away don't try to use them as a bargaining chip later.

Enjoy. G.

I'm not sure why you posted this in response to my post? Of course drinks should be bought for their own fun value. Thats why I won't buy drinks for girls that sit next to you like dead fish. If I buy a drink I want access to at least boobs if not pussy too. And some grinding. I'm writing this from Pattaya where I just had fully naked girls all over me for 190 be (300 P) the same price as LD in Phils. I didn't barfine any of them though some tried to sell themselves to me. Picked up a FL for 1000 B instead. And both girls I had today were BBFS, so its fairly prevalent in Thailand as well.

[Goferring]

Back in the day girls would beg to be bar fined and the lady drink was their chance to sales pitch. With the new pricing that's no longer the case. So we need to stop thinking of bars as places to take women to fuck. Consider it just the appetizer. Go in to Gogo bar, buy some drinks, grab some boob and ass, make out with a pretty girl and get all warmed up. Then step outside get a FL or online hook up and pump and dump quick and cheap. Its the new mongering paradigm. In AC no FL will refuse 1500 Peso and many will go for less. Since fucking is the ONLY way they get paid, they are always keen. The other option is develop a list of bar girls (especially Perimeter and day time girls) who get off work at 9 or 10 pm and then come spend the night with you. I have some that will happily do that for 2 K Peso per night.

The game has changed gentlemen. We have no choice but to adapt.

Girls and punters treat Lady Drinks totally differently.

Girls seek only instant gratification and have a very short memory when it comes to past payments guaranteeing future performance. She will trade fingering her pussy, sucking her tit or rubbing my dick in the bar in exchange for her LD commision. She doesn't see any unpaid debt remaining after that drink is finished.

However, many mongers will buy multiple LDs, consuming her time, to "road test" her attitude or impress her enough that she will agree to a bar fine later. They don't understand that her time is full compensation for the drink (s).

If I buy LDs, then I'm getting their value there and then not hoping for future favours. It might be polite conversation with a pretty girl or it might be a face full of titties but it's now not hopefully later, if she feels like it.

Moral of the story is that if you are buying LDs make use of them straight away don't try to use them as a bargaining chip later.

Enjoy. G.

[Expat American]

Back in the day girls would beg to be bar fined and the lady drink was their chance to sales pitch. With the new pricing that's no longer the case. So we need to stop thinking of bars as places to take women to fuck. Consider it just the appetizer. Go in to Gogo bar, buy some drinks, grab some boob and ass, make out with a pretty girl and get all warmed up. Then step outside get a FL or online hook up and pump and dump quick and cheap. Its the new mongering paradigm. In AC no FL will refuse 1500 Peso and many will go for less. Since fucking is the ONLY way they get paid, they are always keen. The other option is develop a list of bar girls (especially Perimeter and day time girls) who get off work at 9 or 10 pm and then come spend the night with you. I have some that will happily do that for 2 K Peso per night.

The game has changed gentlemen. We have no choice but to adapt.

[GDreams]

Wow, first time in PH and Asia in general and these prices are nuts. Guys paying 150 - 200 for just ST and stuff. I just left Latin America and you can get better deals or similar pricing in America's backyard. Imagine coming all the way to Asia, South East Asia and paying 200 for box on a girl that isn't even all that. What in the world is going on out here?

I damn sure missed on the golden era. 50-100 more and you have Europe prices. And if you include FKKs in Germany and stuff you actually pay less. Had a girl quote me 400 USD from Tinder. This is crazy. Glad I'm young and don't have to rely on tricking. But damn was at least hoping to have it as a option. No way I'm paying these. Idk if its the Korean tricks or what.

No way Jose. ID rather fap before paying all that here in PH. You can go to Brazil and get a actual pornstar looking woman for around that rate in the Rio clubs.

Madness.

I pay 4000 p for overnight. Usually off Pinalove, Date in Asia or Tan Tan. Never older than 23 and skinny. I don't care about tits. 2 - 3 shots depending on my energy levels. Some stay for days if I like them. I sometimes pay 5000 if super hot. I could negotiate some cheaper or take older but why bother. I don't tip. If they are good I just organise another visit before they leave.

[Aml3740]

Wow, first time in PH and Asia in general and these prices are nuts. Guys paying 150 - 200 for just ST and stuff. I just left Latin America and you can get better deals or similar pricing in America's backyard. Imagine coming all the way to Asia, South East Asia and paying 200 for box on a girl that isn't even all that. What in the world is going on out here?

I damn sure missed on the golden era. 50-100 more and you have Europe prices. And if you include FKKs in Germany and stuff you actually pay less. Had a girl quote me 400 USD from Tinder. This is crazy. Glad I'm young and don't have to rely on tricking. But damn was at least hoping to have it as a option. No way I'm paying these. Idk if its the Korean tricks or what.

No way Jose. ID rather fap before paying all that here in PH. You can go to Brazil and get a actual pornstar looking woman for around that rate in the Rio clubs.

Madness.

Escort sites tend to be 5-7 k ($90-130 USD), though more expensive options certainly exist. Checking on dating sites such as Pinalove, 4 k for short time was what I was most often quoted. A couple were higher, but they were definitely the outliers.

As far as the draw of the Philippines, it's really to each his own. Filipinas, Thais, and Malaysian women are who I find the most attractive, so that's why I like it in SEA. Even back in the US, that's what I look for. It's just way more expensive in the US.

[Heirloom]

Wow, first time in PH and Asia in general and these prices are nuts. Guys paying 150 - 200 for just ST and stuff. I just left Latin America and you can get better deals or similar pricing in America's backyard. Imagine coming all the way to Asia, South East Asia and paying 200 for box on a girl that isn't even all that. What in the world is going on out here?

I damn sure missed on the golden era. 50-100 more and you have Europe prices. And if you include FKKs in Germany and stuff you actually pay less. Had a girl quote me 400 USD from Tinder. This is crazy. Glad I'm young and don't have to rely on tricking. But damn was at least hoping to have it as a option. No way I'm paying these. Idk if its the Korean tricks or what.

No way Jose. ID rather fap before paying all that here in PH. You can go to Brazil and get a actual pornstar looking woman for around that rate in the Rio clubs.

Madness.

[FuriousGeorge]

For sure. When and if I decide to live in the Philippines, it will definitely not be in AC. But for now, I can literally spend a month there and not get bored. Every day is lazy and every night is an adventure.

Living in Philippines rather than being a tourist possibly skews my viewpoint further however.

[WestCoast1]

Lollipop is a small bar upstairs, and has a private room in the back, opposite wall from the bar (at least last year when I was there).

Forgot to mention that just around the corner on Durban St, Dimple's bar has a for-rent private room. Its big-enough to have a small birthday party in (have seen parties in there). The windows are blacked out except for the window on the entry door. I'm sure there is a shade that can be pulled if you wanted to pony up some cash and take a girl back there. Someone previously mentioned that Maison has a privado.

[Muttley81]

Ahh but you forget the draw of the Philippines. Bareback availability everywhere. If that goes away, everything there goes away. Otherwise there's no draw compared to Thailand.

Makati and Burgos is for 3 day businessmen who have no other options. For the rest of us, spending weeks in county, I recommend going straight to AC and finding the good ones.

Hey FG, it's an excellent point, I didn't forget about it as such, but bareback is not an activity I partake in wherever I am in the world (as much as possible anyway), so didn't consider this in the cost review.

If you're on sex holiday and want bareback Angeles is probably the destination of choice. I personally couldn't spend more than a few days there without being bored. Living in Philippines rather than being a tourist possibly skews my viewpoint further however.

[FuriousGeorge]

Ahh but you forget the draw of the Philippines. Bareback availability everywhere. If that goes away, everything there goes away. Otherwise there's no draw compared to Thailand.

Makati and Burgos is for 3 day businessmen who have no other options. For the rest of us, spending weeks in county, I recommend going straight to AC and finding the good ones.

Correct, ST tip to girls was 3 k ish THB. Use of ST rooms in bar around 1. 5 k THB to girl and 500 THB to bar for room.

Agreed, majority of Thai gogo also offer some level of nudity for all girls, with some bars being full nude. That is a rare occurrence in the Philippines. I am definitely one of people that has experienced full nudity in Maison etc, but that is at seats with single girl, while groups of girls get naked at seats, it's not whole nudity across bar like in Thailand. Gives you a better idea who to focus on at start of evening, and, as you say, its generally much easier to find girl of higher standard in Thailand, they are everywhere, compared to search for a diamond in the rough in Angeles.

[WestCoast1]

I've been offered chance to go upstairs in Nautika too, but I think that was to go in Lollipop, not a ST room.

Lollipop is a small bar upstairs, and has a private room in the back, opposite wall from the bar (at least last year when I was there).

[Muttley81]

I assume that's 1 K thb to the bar + 5 K thb tip to the girl?.

Correct, ST tip to girls was 3 k ish THB. Use of ST rooms in bar around 1. 5 k THB to girl and 500 THB to bar for room.

About $250 USD. And I confess, Thai gogo bars have better looking girls than Phils. However it makes my point that there are expensive places in every country. IG models and such in Phils might command considerably higher prices, and come with western demands (condom, 1 pop, 60 minutes max, etc)

Agreed, majority of Thai gogo also offer some level of nudity for all girls, with some bars being full nude. That is a rare occurrence in the Philippines. I am definitely one of people that has experienced full nudity in Maison etc, but that is at seats with single girl, while groups of girls get naked at seats, it's not whole nudity across bar like in Thailand. Gives you a better idea who to focus on at start of evening, and, as you say, its generally much easier to find girl of higher standard in Thailand, they are everywhere, compared to search for a diamond in the rough in Angeles.