FKK Artemis - Berlin

[PayForIt]

Although I understand where you're coming from, I disagree with some of your assertions. First of all, there's a tendency for mongers to attach the price of admission to the cost of a session, and I just don't think that's fair or appropriate. I mean, the cost of admission carries its own value. The gym, the sauna, the professional massage, the kino, the food, the soft drinks? The price of admission gets you access to all of that regardless of whether you session or not. We can debate about whether the admission charge is too high, but there can be no doubt that it comes with its own separate value apart from having sex with a girl there.

Second, speaking of having sex with a girl, there's no way in the world that Thailand or Dubai are more competitive than Germany for a monger like me. I like European and Latin American women pretty exclusively, so that rules out Thailand and other Asian destinations. It doesn't matter to me if I can buy half the girls in the bar if I don't want 95% of them! And when it comes to Dubai, I found that the service level is absolutely uncompetitive with Europe and Latin America when it comes to kissing, BBBJ, CIM, and anal sex. Although I got BBBJs in Dubai, far too many of the girls didn't want to do it. And I didn't get any CIM or anal at all! That doesn't cut it for me when Dubai was the second most expensive mongering destination in the world I have ever been too behind Switzerland. And I would rather go to Swtizerland since at least I could procure the services I want in order to be fully sexually satisfied.

In conclusion, I don't mind paying an admission charge in order to have access to the kind of amenities that an FKK club offers, and I don't tack that charge onto the cost of session since, in my view, the price of admission holds its own separate value apart from having sex at the club. Further, I have no problem paying 300 euros or so plus or minus if that gets me and hour-long session with BBBJ, CIM, and anal sex (I'm often able to negotiate in a massage as a part of the deal too). For me that's value, and it keeps me wanting to go back. I'll never forget my earliest trips to Artemis either. The diversity of Germans, Poles, Czechs, Romanians, Moldovans, Bulgarians, Russians, Hungarians. The choice was amazing, and the sex was great! Taking hot tutes like beautiful, blonde, Czech girl Marketa in her tight butt hole. Who remembers her? And it was sans all the "cancerette" smoke! What happened? Cough, cough, hack, hack!

Your point about the admission having some value attached is not unreasonable. Depending on the club. If the food and facilities are good its ok. The gym in Artemis is good but I wouldn't normally pay 90 e for a day pass at a gym! But in a club like say Mainhattan, the entry fee really isn't buying much in my opinion. Hence I tend to lump it in and when I leave the club ask myself how much I just paid for the day / night to assess value and make comparisons. Truth is that many of the pay for extras in FKKs are not extras at all in other parts of the World.

I'm sorry you didn't enjoy Dubai. You clearly didn't get lucky on service. For me, for pure optifuk. It is unbeatable. Places like Club Blu have a large selection of 9's and 10's which for me is unrivalled anywhere else I've been. Service is hit and miss anywhere in my experience. I get that you have specialist preferences, as do I. But mine are provided at no extra cost in Spain / UK / Thailand / Dubai / Switzerland (outside of Globe). Pricing in Dubai (and Far East) is also markedly different. Being ST (which can be up to 3 hours if you don't pop early!) or LT (all night and repeat in the morning). My favourite Mimi in Jules in Dubai is 1500ST. About 400 euros. But for that she'll go off to a bar for a few drinks first, then 2-3 hours without any payment for anything extra and looks stunning. 3 hours with her in Artemis with some of the extras would cost me well over 500/600 euros. 3 hours in Scandalos in Malaga with a solid 9 can be negotiated for 450 - nothing for extras and no entrance fee. This all means for me the overall experience in Germany is not cheap. But it won't stop me going!

Thailand. As you say. If you don't like Asian girls it is hopeless bar the odd Russian. It's easily now my favourite place to monger. For me. Their service levels are just off the scale. Sure you get the odd bad apple. But on the whole these girls go the extra mile to please. That and the different options from Agogos, beer bars, soapies and my favourite Gents Clubs are just terrific. Recently had a fabulous time in a GC with four girls, stripping games, drinks, more games, food, and 5 of us in a jaccuzzi in the club and then into the room ST with all four of them after which they gave me a fabulous 8 hands massage for an hour! Left totally exhausted and drained (literally). Total cost. Equivalent of 400 euros. Sensational. The options in Thailand are just incredible. But as you say, you have to like the Asian girls without which it doesn't work.

Tintin. I really like Salzburg. Chilled vibe and the FKK there is good.

I've had a number of PMs about pricing and the majority are saying 100/50 and between 160-200/1 hour.

I can sense a Frankfurt trip looming before Christmas just to check out the main FKKs once again. Missed the weather for Sharks and Oase. Doubt I'll be back at Artemis for a while. Pricing / no alternative / and the nail in the coffin. The cancer lounge!

[Tintin1]

90 entry, 20 extra for BBBJ when I was there, and prices for rooms were (if I recall) 150/30 200/60. What are current rates? They were always higher than any other FKK I visited. Add an extra or two and a room can easily cost 300+ which when added to entry makes one decent fuck over 400. I can get 2 hours+ for that with a stunner in Madrid or Malaga, or all night in Dubai with a stunner for that price. Probably take half the working girls in a bar in Pattaya for that price! Hence, Germany has become too expensive for my likes though I do miss the lovely vibe of an FKK and will undoubtedly return. Look forward to reading your other FKK tour reports.

I just did a few reports (mostly places to avoid), but I want to say that as much as I bitched about Globe it was much better than Artemis and at 150 Chf all in except cim and anal it helps the wallet. The food was good enough. The girls were better than Artemis but about equal to Sharks.

My next trip will be a revisit to Salzburg and a stroll back through some of the other NRW clubs that I haven't been to in a while. (Essen Koln Dortmund and vicinity). See most recent trip report on one of the outlying places. Forget the name.

[NorthernSpirit]

Whilst I love Berlin as a City, so much to do and see, 90 entry, 20 extra for BBBJ when I was there, and prices for rooms were (if I recall) 150/30 200/60. What are current rates?

I was there Sunday night.

Current rates are 70/30 and 140/60 with CBJ. Usually includes DATY if girl offers it. BBBJ is 20, other extras are generally 50. A+ is 100.

[The Cane]

I hate smoke filled clubs so your report and that of Tintin made me think twice about a return. 2023 is the first year in those 10 years I haven't returned to any FKK. The pricing model has made it uncompetitive even with Dubai. Whilst I love Berlin as a City, so much to do and see, 90 entry, 20 extra for BBBJ when I was there, and prices for rooms were (if I recall) 150/30 200/60. What are current rates? They were always higher than any other FKK I visited. Add an extra or two and a room can easily cost 300+ which when added to entry makes one decent fuck over 400. I can get 2 hours+ for that with a stunner in Madrid or Malaga, or all night in Dubai with a stunner for that price. Probably take half the working girls in a bar in Pattaya for that price! Hence, Germany has become too expensive for my likes though I do miss the lovely vibe of an FKK and will undoubtedly return. Look forward to reading your other FKK tour reports.

Although I understand where you're coming from, I disagree with some of your assertions. First of all, there's a tendency for mongers to attach the price of admission to the cost of a session, and I just don't think that's fair or appropriate. I mean, the cost of admission carries its own value. The gym, the sauna, the professional massage, the kino, the food, the soft drinks? The price of admission gets you access to all of that regardless of whether you session or not. We can debate about whether the admission charge is too high, but there can be no doubt that it comes with its own separate value apart from having sex with a girl there.

Second, speaking of having sex with a girl, there's no way in the world that Thailand or Dubai are more competitive than Germany for a monger like me. I like European and Latin American women pretty exclusively, so that rules out Thailand and other Asian destinations. It doesn't matter to me if I can buy half the girls in the bar if I don't want 95% of them! And when it comes to Dubai, I found that the service level is absolutely uncompetitive with Europe and Latin America when it comes to kissing, BBBJ, CIM, and anal sex. Although I got BBBJs in Dubai, far too many of the girls didn't want to do it. And I didn't get any CIM or anal at all! That doesn't cut it for me when Dubai was the second most expensive mongering destination in the world I have ever been too behind Switzerland. And I would rather go to Swtizerland since at least I could procure the services I want in order to be fully sexually satisfied.

In conclusion, I don't mind paying an admission charge in order to have access to the kind of amenities that an FKK club offers, and I don't tack that charge onto the cost of session since, in my view, the price of admission holds its own separate value apart from having sex at the club. Further, I have no problem paying 300 euros or so plus or minus if that gets me and hour-long session with BBBJ, CIM, and anal sex (I'm often able to negotiate in a massage as a part of the deal too). For me that's value, and it keeps me wanting to go back. I'll never forget my earliest trips to Artemis either. The diversity of Germans, Poles, Czechs, Romanians, Moldovans, Bulgarians, Russians, Hungarians. The choice was amazing, and the sex was great! Taking hot tutes like beautiful, blonde, Czech girl Marketa in her tight butt hole. Who remembers her? And it was sans all the "cancerette" smoke! What happened? Cough, cough, hack, hack!

[The Cane]

You can always lurk by the sofa under the stairs. Girls will walk all the way down towards the wellness area but they will stop at the entrance to the wellness area which is right next to the big sofa. You'll also be able to catch the girls heading to the kino.

I tried that approach one time before, and it really didn't work to my liking. First of all, I found that not enough girls passed through there. The kino is a better spot if you ask me. Also, I just found that sofa to be uncomfortable if I stayed there for too long. Unfortunately, the absolute best action at Artemis is to be found in the smoke-filled main bar.

[DasBooty]

Wasn't me. I was talking about a time when I was at Artemis during the dead of winter. Like you said, you can sit back closer to where the food is, but that's not a good vantage points to see and interact with the girls. And if you go downstairs, well a lot of the girls don't circulate down there. So, what's a monger to do? Hack, cough, hack, hack!

You can always lurk by the sofa under the stairs. Girls will walk all the way down towards the wellness area but they will stop at the entrance to the wellness area which is right next to the big sofa. You'll also be able to catch the girls heading to the kino.

[PayForIt]

Yes, I totally understand this sentiment. The last time I went to Artemis, it was so stuffy and full of cigarette smoke that I got sick! I too took to standing in the stairway area in an attempt to avoid the smoke. A number of the customers complained that night, so they opened up the windows. But it was winter time, so the girls started to complain that they were cold, and the windows were closed again. Well damn it! They need to do something about it! Like maybe set up a designated space for smoking "cancerettes" like they did at Palace and Mainhattan, and strictly enforce where people can smoke. I mean it's just ridiculous, and nothing has changed! What about taking into consideration the comfort and health of your paying guests?

Hello my friend and saw you'the posted in Artemis thread and enjoyed your report. Disappointed to read about the smoke being so bad. This used to be the case very much at Living Room in Kaarst. Such a shame as I otherwise really liked the club but the main lounge was so bad I used to dub it "the cancer lounge" in the thread.

Artemis was my first ever FKK in 2013. I really like the club. In particular I love that it has a gym. Fabulous to have a great session then head for a workout, crash in the sauna / steam / showers, professional massage (though I always hated that it was in the open and usual guys doing them compared to other clubs) ready for next round.

That first visit will never leave my memory. The place was rocking, the smoke wasn't bad at all. First time I had been in the presence of maybe 80-90 totally naked girls. I was a stand out newbie as my towel did not hide my rock hard boner for the first hour or so! As a result the usual question "first time here baby?" was funny as it came with a glance South and a smile or a wandering hand to emphasise the point. I remember thinking back then that 80 e entry was steep (I've been since when it went to 90 - is that still the case?

Had some fantastic rooms in Artemis and one very memorable sunny afternoon when 2 Norwegian guys I met there and I took 4 ladies to the pool agreeing to pay them 200 each for "a good time" and we had a total party for well over an hour. Long ago!

My last visit to Artemis was 2020. Just when the club was allowed to open after a lockdown and before the next. Numbers were low and quality lower.

I hate smoke filled clubs so your report and that of Tintin made me think twice about a return. 2023 is the first year in those 10 years I haven't returned to any FKK. The pricing model has made it uncompetitive even with Dubai. Whilst I love Berlin as a City, so much to do and see, 90 entry, 20 extra for BBBJ when I was there, and prices for rooms were (if I recall) 150/30 200/60. What are current rates? They were always higher than any other FKK I visited. Add an extra or two and a room can easily cost 300+ which when added to entry makes one decent fuck over 400. I can get 2 hours+ for that with a stunner in Madrid or Malaga, or all night in Dubai with a stunner for that price. Probably take half the working girls in a bar in Pattaya for that price! Hence, Germany has become too expensive for my likes though I do miss the lovely vibe of an FKK and will undoubtedly return. Look forward to reading your other FKK tour reports.

[The Cane]

TC: Hey was that you I saw in the stairwell?! Agree with everything you say. Only thing worse was Globe Switzerland with people smoking cigars. Seriously. Standing in the stairwell was tough the girls that talk to you there are often the more aggressive ones and it's not easy to chat. It's more a let's go conversation.

Wasn't me. I was talking about a time when I was at Artemis during the dead of winter. Like you said, you can sit back closer to where the food is, but that's not a good vantage points to see and interact with the girls. And if you go downstairs, well a lot of the girls don't circulate down there. So, what's a monger to do? Hack, cough, hack, hack!

[Gorge2]

TC: Hey was that you I saw in the stairwell?! Agree with everything you say. Only thing worse was Globe Switzerland with people smoking cigars.

Seriously. Standing in the stairwell was tough the girls that talk to you there are often the more aggressive ones and it's not easy to chat. It's more a let's go conversation.

Roy: the cigarette smoke was so thick the night I was there that it really caused my sinuses to block up. I could feel it for days. Plus. It's not like you can find a place 'in the corner' that's smoke free. The food area is sterile and the girls come in- quickly eat- and leave. And of course don't hang in the wellness area which is supposedly smoke free but I saw several guys with electronic cigarettes walking around.

Finally if there were lots of 8s9s and 10s I might reconsider Artemis but my last two trips I found the ladies average. A lot of aggressive girls and a bunch of reports on German boards about average service and aggressive upsell. So best to move on and just stick with the independent escorts or a few other bordellos

But don't you think the average line up is now Germany wide in all FKKs? I wonder if onlyfans has anything to do with this, where the more attractive ones.

Can make enough money from that now and so aren't becoming escorts anymore.

[Tintin1]

Yes, I totally understand this sentiment. The last time I went to Artemis, it was so stuffy and full of cigarette smoke that I got sick! I too took to standing in the stairway area in an attempt to avoid the smoke. A number of the customers complained that night, so they opened up the windows. But it was winter time, so the girls started to complain that they were cold, and the windows were closed again. Well damn it! They need to do something about it! Like maybe set up a designated space for smoking "cancerettes" like they did at Palace and Mainhattan, and strictly enforce where people can smoke. I mean it's just ridiculous, and nothing has changed! What about taking into consideration the comfort and health of your paying guests?

Great report. How did you like the club compared to past? Why is it your last.

TC: Hey was that you I saw in the stairwell?! Agree with everything you say. Only thing worse was Globe Switzerland with people smoking cigars.

Seriously. Standing in the stairwell was tough the girls that talk to you there are often the more aggressive ones and it's not easy to chat. It's more a let's go conversation.

Roy: the cigarette smoke was so thick the night I was there that it really caused my sinuses to block up. I could feel it for days. Plus. It's not like you can find a place 'in the corner' that's smoke free. The food area is sterile and the girls come in- quickly eat- and leave. And of course don't hang in the wellness area which is supposedly smoke free but I saw several guys with electronic cigarettes walking around.

Finally if there were lots of 8s9s and 10s I might reconsider Artemis but my last two trips I found the ladies average. A lot of aggressive girls and a bunch of reports on German boards about average service and aggressive upsell. So best to move on and just stick with the independent escorts or a few other bordellos

[The Cane]

Now to the reason I'm so down on Artemis. Not price, not ladies, but simply the air circulation. The smoking was so intense that sitting very long looking at the girls was like inhaling a cigarette myself. Given that there is only the bar area to mingle (the food area is smoke free but generally acknowledged as a neutral zone). I saw a few guys standing in the stair wells, but seriously.

Yes, I totally understand this sentiment. The last time I went to Artemis, it was so stuffy and full of cigarette smoke that I got sick! I too took to standing in the stairway area in an attempt to avoid the smoke. A number of the customers complained that night, so they opened up the windows. But it was winter time, so the girls started to complain that they were cold, and the windows were closed again. Well damn it! They need to do something about it! Like maybe set up a designated space for smoking "cancerettes" like they did at Palace and Mainhattan, and strictly enforce where people can smoke. I mean it's just ridiculous, and nothing has changed! What about taking into consideration the comfort and health of your paying guests?

[RoyPunter]

Now to the reason I'm so down on Artemis. Not price, not ladies, but simply the air circulation. The smoking was so intense that sitting very long looking at the girls was like inhaling a cigarette myself. Given that there is only the bar area to mingle (the food area is smoke free but generally acknowledged as a neutral zone). I saw a few guys standing in the stair wells, but seriously.

So in keeping with a recent conversation on one of these threads, when I arrived, I did the "fast get it over with intense sex" as I planned to sit at the bar and enjoy a drink and the scenery. My choice was Lea (h) tall brunette with tattoo on right shoulder. Severe bang / cut hair style reminded me of Berlin Babylon. Intense, great sex. Sexy lady, made me think she'd have been a great slow burn- erotic choice but what's done is done.

Went for dinner, then massage (to keep out of the smoke while I recharged) and then around 10 pm several of the girls did a two-song pole dance show. Between the smoke and the visuals, I opted to not wait too long and take Celine for dessert! Told me everything but FIV and anal was on the menu. Opted for FO and CIM. Told me to alert her when I was about to finish. Warned her twice, but she didn't seem to care! Lustily she hung me out to dry. Chatted for quite some time, especially as the room was smoke free, and she had worked in a lot of places I had visited. Left before midnight. Thought of her cute ass all the way home. I'm sure if I dined at the behind, I'd have gone for multiple rounds.

I tend to take the mass transport to the place and then take an UBER home. But negotiating the Berlin mass transport system is easy and the area is quite safe. 6-8 minute walk to the station.

Thus began my week of F (uc) KKing across the country.

Great report. How did you like the club compared to past? Why is it your last.

[Tintin1]

Now to the reason I'm so down on Artemis. Not price, not ladies, but simply the air circulation. The smoking was so intense that sitting very long looking at the girls was like inhaling a cigarette myself. Given that there is only the bar area to mingle (the food area is smoke free but generally acknowledged as a neutral zone). I saw a few guys standing in the stair wells, but seriously.

So in keeping with a recent conversation on one of these threads, when I arrived, I did the "fast get it over with intense sex" as I planned to sit at the bar and enjoy a drink and the scenery. My choice was Lea (h) tall brunette with tattoo on right shoulder. Severe bang / cut hair style reminded me of Berlin Babylon. Intense, great sex. Sexy lady, made me think she'd have been a great slow burn- erotic choice but what's done is done.

Went for dinner, then massage (to keep out of the smoke while I recharged) and then around 10 pm several of the girls did a two-song pole dance show. Between the smoke and the visuals, I opted to not wait too long and take Celine for dessert! Told me everything but FIV and anal was on the menu. Opted for FO and CIM. Told me to alert her when I was about to finish. Warned her twice, but she didn't seem to care! Lustily she hung me out to dry. Chatted for quite some time, especially as the room was smoke free, and she had worked in a lot of places I had visited. Left before midnight. Thought of her cute ass all the way home. I'm sure if I dined at the behind, I'd have gone for multiple rounds.

I tend to take the mass transport to the place and then take an UBER home. But negotiating the Berlin mass transport system is easy and the area is quite safe. 6-8 minute walk to the station.

Thus began my week of F (uc) KKing across the country.

[Neurosynth]

80 % or more.

Thanks. That's awful!

[TeFab456]

I hate to ask, but what percentage of the women have enhanced boobs?

80 % or more.