Manila

[TjBrazil]

That was Marc from Eden Club. He created the sleaziest and most sexually satisfying venue in the history of mongering. Two girls for 90 minutes and no holds barred. Unfortunately, that is ancient history along with with Annie's soapy, the original soapy across the parking lot from Nana. Both venues closed with COVID, and Marc died in a shootout with business partners.

What happened with the shootout. Left us with a cliffhanger.

[Goferring]

That was Marc from Eden Club. He created the sleaziest and most sexually satisfying venue in the history of mongering. Two girls for 90 minutes and no holds barred. Unfortunately, that is ancient history along with with Annie's soapy, the original soapy across the parking lot from Nana. Both venues closed with COVID, and Marc died in a shootout with business partners.

I seem to remember some t shirts doing the rounds of BKK (maybe Hash Run shirts?) with nothing but a yellow line on them.

If you knew, you knew. 😜.

G.

[MrHappyKat]

Here is my research and planning for an upcoming trip to Makati and Bohol. I was last in the Philippines prior to COVID, so my personal knowledge is now worthless. I have done everything I can to find fresh info online, including from ISG. As I mentioned earlier, it is more difficult than I would have expected, particularly finding freelancers online or in person without spending hours and hours and hours. Please provide any criticism or clarifications or insider info.

From my limited experience in P Burgos for a week last March, you will have no problems having fun. But:

Like you, I tend to research and plan down to lowest level of details and that includes locations, services, prices, safety, etc. This is what I have done travelling to over 30 countries over the last 40 years. But here's the voice of wisdom looking back for you: The real (perhaps only) benefit of all that planning is that once you have a plan, be willing (if not eager) to throw it away. The unintended artefact of planning is that along the way you get a great idea of what you want to do, AND you also get deep knowledge of alternatives when your primary plan goes total bullshit. So great, you want to optimize your time and spend. But don't get hung up when you get there and find out your expectations are way ahead of reality. Be willing to bail quicky when it's not going well and embrace one or more of those alternates. Stretch your boundaries a bit and you may find more than you expect.

Finally, regarding Prep: According to my doctors, you need to take it in advance and every day to get the full benefit and protection. Taking one pill just before you drop a load in something warm and pink won't work well. I started taking it one month before I flew to PH and I'm still taking it daily now. Check around your local area for health providers (maybe your current one) for costs. Getting the prescription requires an appointment and blood & urine tests, plus anal and oral swabs. Then you need to retest every 90 days. My plan provides checkups, tests and the meds for free.

I will be in Manila and AV in mid-Feb for one month for my 2nd visit. Should be a lot of fun.

[Muttley81]

That was Marc from Eden Club. He created the sleaziest and most sexually satisfying venue in the history of mongering. Two girls for 90 minutes and no holds barred. Unfortunately, that is ancient history along with with Annie's soapy, the original soapy across the parking lot from Nana. Both venues closed with COVID, and Marc died in a shootout with business partners.

Annie's is back but it's not as good and in a different location.

That's a kind description of what happened with Marc according to a report written by Stickman. Don't want to slander anyone, dead or alive, but it's easy to find out what allegedly happened via google.

[Expat American]

That was Marc from Eden Club. He created the sleaziest and most sexually satisfying venue in the history of mongering. Two girls for 90 minutes and no holds barred. Unfortunately, that is ancient history along with with Annie's soapy, the original soapy across the parking lot from Nana. Both venues closed with COVID, and Marc died in a shootout with business partners.

Snow White / Cherrys / Tulip are close in experience. But Marc and the Eden club was a special thing.

[ShinyCrazy]

Though really, does anyone actually believe that a negotiated agreement is going to provide a better experience than personal rapport and (in the Philippines at least) a bit of romance?

Ditto some of the guys now who research the hell out of their upcoming trips and post a giant list of things they're planning to do.

In some mongering spots, it is absolutely critical to hash out the expectations before going to the room (FKK clubs, for example). In other venues (mostly semi-pro independents), it is better to go with the flow and rely on your rapport and charm. But overall, around the world, I have found that most full pros perform better if they know what you expect. My "target for girls", as I described it, is not my bare minimum requirements for a good session. It is my description of the perfect session for me. I did experience perfect sessions many times at Eden Club.

As far as research is concerned, I could certainly keep my extensive prep to myself, but I think ISG only works if people contribute. I don't want to be one of the silent selfish takers, so I try to compile the last year or two of useful ISG info into actionable intel. I am not expecting to hit every venue on the list. It just gives me options.

[ShinyCrazy]

There was a place in Bkk run by a French dude off Sukhumvit catered to all that. At a price.

That was Marc from Eden Club. He created the sleaziest and most sexually satisfying venue in the history of mongering. Two girls for 90 minutes and no holds barred. Unfortunately, that is ancient history along with with Annie's soapy, the original soapy across the parking lot from Nana. Both venues closed with COVID, and Marc died in a shootout with business partners.

[Betong]

All of these are hilarious, like something you'd need an international corporate lawyer.

It all kind of amazes me but OK, but if it works for someone, who am I to argue? Though really, does anyone actually believe that a negotiated agreement is going to provide a better experience than personal rapport and (in the Philippines at least) a bit of romance?

Ditto some of the guys now who research the hell out of their upcoming trips and post a giant list of things they're planning to do. Maybe it'll work out fine, I dunno. And maybe the days of just showing up and walking out and finding your own fun are over. But I can't help but think that the more you try to plan everything, the more you're going to be disappointed.

[Jarango]

All of your requirements from girls are readily available. Only rimming, prostate massage and an overnight stay should be explicitly clarified early on.
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All of these are hilarious, like something you'd need an international corporate lawyer. Or Gunnery Sergeant Hartman. For. Going to Taguig for a custom made car with lots of specific specs, LOL. Not exactly a casual date. No offence to you but I got a great giggle out of these replies. There was a place in Bkk run by a French dude off Sukhumvit catered to all that. At a price.

[Goferring]

That's a lot of expectaion / desire (beck and call sex). Most girls will have not have considered that much sex in one evening.

Or ask if she wants to work shifts with a friend. 😜.

G.

[WestCoast1]

Excellent research. Your post, and Goffering's, should be put in a SPECIAL SECTION FOR NEWBS. A few specific thoughts.

My target for girls for LT starting around 7 pm: blow job no condom, finish in the mouth, eating pussy, kissing with tongue, fucking (with or without condom), prostate massage (rimming), 4 pops (one before dinner, two after dinner, one in the morning), and stay until breakfast.

That's a lot of expectaion / desire (beck and call sex). Most girls will have not have considered that much sex in one evening. Don't take any of that for granted, discuss in detail with the girl. Many girls, regardless where you found them, will not be into DFK with a stranger. FL might never have heard of prostate massage, or if they have heard of it they might never have done it and thus might be put off by it (it might be an 'additional cash required' situation). 4 pops might be considered wildly 'out there' and might need to be overcome with additional cash. LT departure time should always be defined, and most girls are fine with breakfast (and the pop before it).

STREET GIRLS IN BURGOS:

You shouldn't really pay them more than 1,000 Pesos, maximum 1,500 Pesos. And also be careful when taking them back to your room.

There is no hard / fast amount here. Time and circumstances change the street scene (and individual girl needs) regularly. When the street girls re-started early last year, there was a real sense of desperation for about 8-10 months, and I myself reported numbers very similar to the 1000-1500 you mentioned. Those are ST prices, and some girls were not only going for less, but some would LT for the 1500. However by this year there were times when the girls were back up to their higher-end requests, and they were sticking to it. I saw girls say 3000, the guy countered with 1500, she countered 2500 and wouldn't go under it. However I don't have any current SW prices. Things change. If a guy here (myself even) says he got LT on the street for 1500, he probably did. But that's not written in stone, and its not reason enough for you (or me) to think that you will get that (or should expect to get that) on an upcoming trip. SC I don't think you will see anything you like on the street, as the girls are usually older and / or chubbier, and they don't fall within your parameters. Also, about half the girls on the street are girls.

The current price for an 8 (and maybe even a 9) from clubs like Lips and Plan be on Burgos St is around P10,000 for short time and 15,000 for overnight.

Again, that's not written in stone. In early October I had several girls tell me they were LT and p5 k for their tip (no negosyo down on the tip) with 2 pops. They were 7's and 8's. Also, 6's in the bars will not negotiate below 5 k anymore. Everyone is at 5 k for the tip, and the prettiest were 6 k (pre-covid 7 k). This was over several bars: V8, Nautica, Lips, Maison. Also on any given evening, a girl who needs a barfine TONIGHT might drop her tip amount, which means there is no go-to guide. SC in your case, with the added stuff that is not normally done (4 pops), you can get that in the gogos easily I think with talk of a larger tip.

I'd like to add an additional biblical commandment (#11): "Burgos SW are 1500, and gogo girls are 10 k". But apparently the Church does not look fondly on my writings. I realize also that by the time SC arrives, this info might have changed in my absence (how DARE they).

[Goferring]

Thanks for the very helpful feedback! Your description of the process with Pinalove / Tinder is very encouraging. I will almost certainly rely on that for Bohol, and I'll probably give it a try in Makati, too. I am not on a tight budget, so most of my energy will be spent in the Burgos bars. I hear you loud and clear about the flakiness of Filipinas and of the whole country. I had the same experience on my last visit and even posted on ISG about it. When facing flakiness, I like to create a comprehensive list of options so that I can switch plans on the fly when the first venue (or second and third etc.) is a bust.

Sorry to say, expect much less success and immediacy in Bohol. In the province, many less hookers available and even part timers want to appear as good girls. Swap 'meet for fun' with 'meet for coffee'; be prepared for her to bring a friend in tow; some will return to the hotel with you, some won't but will say thanks for waiting on the second date.

The provinces are certainly fun but much less point and shoot than the big smoke. The upside is GFE like you wouldn't believe and prices 1/4 of Manila.

Enjoy. G.

[ShinyCrazy]

Finding girls online to meet now is a 5 minute process: Open Tinder, Pina Love or Date in Asia; message an an attractive girl with in a 10 mile radius that you are in Makati, would she like to meet for fun and what is her WhatsApp; sort and seal the deal immediately on WhatsApp; no need to discuss watching sunsets or your cute puppy; expect her to be late but complete no shows for meeting now are much less likely than agreeing to meet next week or after you arrive next month. Newbie rates are 3 k ST, 5 k LT for a 7+. XLT is mentioned below. Repeats, referrals and 7 minuses are cheaper.

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Thanks for the very helpful feedback! Your description of the process with Pinalove / Tinder is very encouraging. I will almost certainly rely on that for Bohol, and I'll probably give it a try in Makati, too. I am not on a tight budget, so most of my energy will be spent in the Burgos bars. I hear you loud and clear about the flakiness of Filipinas and of the whole country. I had the same experience on my last visit and even posted on ISG about it. When facing flakiness, I like to create a comprehensive list of options so that I can switch plans on the fly when the first venue (or second and third etc.) is a bust.

[Goferring]

Here is my research and planning for an upcoming trip to Makati and Bohol

I commend you in the amount of research and planning that you have done. I just hope you realise that very little of it will eventuate as intended. The Philippines and especially Philippinas are not known for their punctuality and dependability.

Most of your statements are correct. I'll just add the following:

If you still have old numbers, feel free to try them. If the numbers are still active then the girl will still be broke and looking for a cash top up. Repeats are the easiest hookups and don't rule out her having a cousin for you to meet if she's busy.

Finding girls online to meet now is a 5 minute process: Open Tinder, Pina Love or Date in Asia; message an an attractive girl with in a 10 mile radius that you are in Makati, would she like to meet for fun and what is her WhatsApp; sort and seal the deal immediately on WhatsApp; no need to discuss watching sunsets or your cute puppy; expect her to be late but complete no shows for meeting now are much less likely than agreeing to meet next week or after you arrive next month. Newbie rates are 3 k ST, 5 k LT for a 7+. XLT is mentioned below. Repeats, referrals and 7 minuses are cheaper.

All of your requirements from girls are readily available. Only rimming, prostate massage and an overnight stay should be explicitly clarified early on.

A 7 pm start LT will be difficult to find in a gogo or club, though not impossible. Girls at this time will normally be expecting to return to the bar after you for more lady drinks and possibly a second customer. Your payment will have to cover this perceived lost income. Definitely clarify your expectations before leaving.

Your first Burgos cost was the correct one: 3900+tip. 6 k LT is being generous. 15 k all in and you have either had a few drinks or said / done something to have her up her rates.

There are many girls on Pina Love looking to meet at short notice.

Be careful in Greenbelt. 99% of working girls are truly horrific or ladyboys. 99% of the attractive girls are wealthy civilians doing their shopping or meeting friends. You do not want to walk up to one of these and ask for a $50 blowjob.

You left out sneakouts from Burgos or club employees (dancers etc). It's not difficult to get their number in the bar or post session and agree to meet outside work hours. This is often at much reduced rates esp for repeats.

Enjoy but remember to be flexible with your very detailed plans.

Good luck. G.

[ShinyCrazy]

Here is my research and planning for an upcoming trip to Makati and Bohol. I was last in the Philippines prior to COVID, so my personal knowledge is now worthless. I have done everything I can to find fresh info online, including from ISG. As I mentioned earlier, it is more difficult than I would have expected, particularly finding freelancers online or in person without spending hours and hours and hours. Please provide any criticism or clarifications or insider info.

I am mainly looking for girls 18-25. Do not like fat girls or tattoos or silicone. Best girls for me are innocent and enthusiastic. Prefer independents over agency girls. Prefer cute girl next door to bimbo porn star. Best sessions for me include intense DFK, DATY, BBBJ, CIM, rimming, prostate massage. I mostly like a long session, at least 2 hours and overnight would be nice. I realize one of the big selling points of the Philippines is bareback sex and relatively inexpensive overnight dates. I am a little concerned about the risks of bareback, particularly HIV, so I might try visiting Pulse Clinic for PREP if I decide to indulge in bareback.

My target for girls for LT starting around 7 pm: blow job no condom, finish in the mouth, eating pussy, kissing with tongue, fucking (with or without condom), prostate massage (rimming), 4 pops (one before dinner, two after dinner, one in the morning), and stay until breakfast.

Here is a summary of what I have learned (most of this was copied directly from ISG and other forums and is NOT my personal experience):

TRIP PLANNING:

Sex workers in the Philippines may use local sex phrases on Facebook to get the attention of mongers. Search on Facebook for groups with: klaw, lakad, walker, raket, pok pok, walker pinas, pinaywalk, or legit PSP. Get the GRAB app. Uber does not work in the Philippines. Get the Telegram app and Viber apps. Try to contact some of the massage parlors via Telegram or Viber and ask about full service. There are also Telegram channels with independent girls:

T. me / PinayWalkersV_1.

T. me / PinayWalkersV_2.

In the local forums for spas, like ManilaTonight and HappyBudgetMeal, most of the discussion is in Tagalog. Many reviews also use abbreviations, which I finally figured out: FV (face value), BV (body value), AV (attitude value), MV (massage value). The nice hotels / condos that are girl-friendly. Peninsula, City Garden Grand, Rockwell Condos, Gramercy Residences.

PREP clinic. Prep Pulse Clinic open 9-6 p every day, Unit 202 Plaza 100 building, VA Rufino corner Dell Rosa Street, Legaspi Village Makati.

Websites that cover sex work in the Philippines. PhilippinesAddicts (general chatty forum of expats), SingleManForum (forum mostly for Vietnam, but with Philippine section), HappyBudgetMeal (spa forum), PinayWalkersLounge (pay site for locals looking for independents but it requires payment in local e-currency), ManilaTonight (spa forum).

BURGOS STREET GOGO BARS:

The red-light district of Manila with multiple gogo-type bars, although very limited nudity compared to Thailand. Best bars mentioned currently include Lips, Maison, V8, Dimples, and Neon Nights. Maison is most likely to allow in-bar action, like fingering. In the past, Kojak and PlanB were considered the best. Burgos bars are the easiest and most expensive option for a short trip. The Burgos tip. You aren't required to pay it until she is ready to depart your place after the agreed-upon service (s). Usually this is in the morning. However, you must negotiate it in advance, in the bar that night, with the girl, before she will agree to barfine with you. To depart the bar, the bar will add the barfine amount to your drink slip. Besides your drinks, the chit will read EWR p3900 -- Early Work Release -- and there will be a total. For example, if your drinks were p750, and the EWR is p3900, your chit will read total p4650. The tip request from the girl does not show on the chit (however, she may quietly tell the mama the amount before departing the bar). You pay the bar p4650 while the girl is changing into her street clothes. You depart with the girl, spend your time, she does what she agreed to, and in the morning as she is ready to depart your place you hand her the p5000 pre-negotiated tip. Total cost: p9650 (about $180 USD). Some Burgos bars open early (around 2 pm) and have lower barfines at that time.

STREET GIRLS IN BURGOS:

You shouldn't really pay them more than 1,000 Pesos, maximum 1,500 Pesos. And also be careful when taking them back to your room. The current price for an 8 (and maybe even a 9) from clubs like Lips and Plan be on Burgos St is around P10,000 for short time and 15,000 for overnight.

KTVs:

Weird Korean or Japanese karaoke-style establishments that you visit with a group of guys, buy a lot of alcohol, flirt with young pretty girls and hope that you can leave with her phone number. No clear barfine and no guarantee of even having sex ever. No sex on premises.

ONLINE INDEPENDENTS:

The largest website is Pinalove, but full of naive girls looking for long term boyfriends and may take weeks of work for one date. Pricing can range from 2 K overnight, but most pretty girls are 4-5 K overnight. Since most of these options are slow fishing expeditions, the only ones that might work for a short trip would be Tinder or Locanto.

Other options:

https://www.locanto.ph/manila/Escorts/20905/

https://www.locanto.ph/manila/Women-...for-Men/20702/

https://www.locanto.ph/manila/ID_522...E-TONIGHT.html

TanTan (asian version of Tinder).

Facebook groups.

DateinAsia.

ESCORT SERVICES:

*Manila Courtesans. One of the best escort services in Manila. Considered reliable. Point and shoot. No clear list of services on their website, unlike some of the other escort services. Avoids barfine, but otherwise expensive. Pricing is best VFM for overnight (basically twice the 2 hour rate gets you 12 hours). Not sure how many pops that includes. I will have to check with them via WhatsApp. Girls with positive reports include Mika, Maggie, Yuki, Raya, Jasmine. AVOID Sarah and Laura.

https://manilacourtesans.com

*Manila Asian Escort. Looks very promising and has clear details of services, including who performs bareback and rimming.

https://www.manilaasianescortph.com

*Smooci. Mix of independents and escort service girls. Generally considered reliable. Pricing on Smooci is high for independents.

www.smooci.com

*Other escort websites:

https://naughtymanila.com

https://courtesanhub.com

https://escortmanila.info

This girl is apparently a freak and a dynamo:

https://www.mysticalflower.net

Discreet Massage. Very popular on HappyBudgetMeal. Over 400 pages of posts about this escort service.

VIBER / WHATSAPP / TELEGRAM: listed on HappyBudgetMeal.

FULL SERVICE SEX SPAS NEAR BURGOS:

Starfleet. Full service, similar to Thai fishbowl soapies. #91 Audrey is best rimmer in the city. According to HappyBudgetMeal, they follow "Standard rules for extra service massage parlors. No kissing. No DATY. No BBBJ. No raw sex. No anal. Everything else, YMMV. ".

FULL SERVICE SEX SPAS ELSEWHERE IN MANILA (mostly Quezon City):

These are discussed on Manila Tonight and appear to be full service, Thai soapy-style establishments. The parlors with the most comments (in order) are: Classique, White House, SunriseFrictio.

*White House MP. Girls with good reviews are Mico, Jessa, Bea, Colleen, Vishia, Summer, Jade, Paula, Sakura, Celine, Mira, Des and Gabb. Open 10 am-4 am. 195 Garage, Sct. Chuatoco St, Diliman, Quezon City.

*Frictio Health Spa MP. Girls with good reviews are Kristine and Chelsea. Open 10 am-5 am. 1178 Quezon Ave, Diliman, Quezon City.

*Classique MP. Girls with good reviews are Jhardine, Mariz, Meghan, and Zebby. Open 7 pm-3 am. 1012 Quezon Ave, Diliman, Quezon City.

HAPPY ENDING HANDJOB MASSAGE NEAR BURGOS:

Abacca has been discussed many times on ISG. These are the spas that received the most comments on the local board in order: Encanta, La Bella, San Shai, and Kemosabe.

*Abacca Spa. Only handjobs, but famous for their prostate massage. Located on 2nd floor of RJEM Building, 1132 Antipolo Street, Poblacion, Makati. 1300 for one therapist for 80 minutes or 2000 for two therapists for 90 minutes. Open 24 hours. Reservations "a must". Currently, it appears that the first floor is a coffeehouse called "Fresh Grinds Cafe". I can see why Abacca is popular: It is only a 15 minute walk from Burgos.

*Encanta Spa (check Manila Tonight or HBM for the Telegram #) Intersection of Zapiro and Diamante Street, San Andres Bukid, Sta. Ana Manila WAZE: Four Aces Placement and General Services. Open 24/7. Some of the girls seem to offer full service. The regular therapist rate is 1500 for nuru plus entrance. The minimum tip is 1000. I take that to mean massage with handjob ending for a total of 2500. The "all in" rate ranges from 4500 for a regular therapist to 7000 for one of the best therapists. The 7000 rate includes 2 pops. Although it was not clear what "all in" means, I am guessing that means full service. Too far to walk from Burgos. 20 minutes in Grab.

*La Bella Spa (check Manila Tonight or HBM for the Telegram #) Victoria De Makati Condo at the intersection of Washington and De La Rosa Street, second Floor unit 202. Open 24/7. Handjob with massage one therapist 1200 for 75 minutes. 35 minute walk from Burgos or 15 minute Grab.

*San Shai Spa, Kendra Branch (check Manila Tonight or HBM for the Viber#) Jaka Center, Urban Street, Chino Roces Avenue, Makati.

*San Shai Spa, Legaspi Branch (check Manila Tonight or HBM for the Viber#) LPL Suites, Legaspi Street, Legaspi Village, Makati.

25 minute walk from Burgos.

FREELANCER AT NIGHT:

Royal Nightclub near Burgos mainly active after midnight 3 K ST 5 K LT (girls will try to ask 10 K).

FREELANCERS DURING THE DAY: Greenbelt Mall. There was a coffeeshop called Cafe Havana that had freelancers waiting nearby. Cafe Havana has closed since COVID, but apparently, there are some freelancers still in the area.

OUTCALL PROSTATE MASSAGE:

https://manilamassage.org

http://makatimassage.net/

My overall plan for MANILA:

First day: Drop bags off at hotel, then go to Abacca Spa and go to Pulse clinic for PREP until hotel room is ready, then first evening at Burgos clubs, mainly Lips, Maison.

Daytime activity: Tourism, Look for freelancers at Greenbelt Mall area, White House MP or Friction MP, Encanta Spa or Abacca Spa.

Nighttime activity: Burgos bars including Lips, Maison, Neon Nights, V8 and Dimples, Manila Courtesans or Manila Asian Escorts for 12 hour overnight date.

My overall plan for BOHOL:

Best options are apparently Tinder, Facebook walker groups, Locanto, and local bars on Alona Beach. From girls working in the bars or restaurants, I will plan to get girls numbers for contact the next day or when the shift ends. Also plan to look in the "Thai" massage places for leads.

https://www.locanto.ph/bohol/Escorts/20905/