American Politics

[Tiny 12]

Uh. Real Weekly Wages. That would be adjusted for inflation, right?

Real Weekly Wages were already climbing in an upward trajectory under Obama-Biden YEARS before Trump's one and only economic "stimulus" legislation went into effect in 2018. And the only reason there was a momentary spike in that "adjusted for inflation" part of it in early 2020 was because prices of everything else were crashing due to Trump's Pandemic. Yeah, anyone who still had a job that paid wages could buy gas really, really cheap and not go anywhere thanks to Trump's necessary closures at the time. See link and screenshot below:

https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/LES1252881600Q

Uh. The unemployment rate had been declining steadily and dramatically under Obama-Biden YEARS before Trump's one and only economic "stimulus" legislation went into effect in 2018. Oh, and please note the gigantic spike in the unemployment rate right about the same time those "adjusted for inflation" wages some lucky few were still receiving momentarily spiked up after Trump's other decisions in 2018 and 2019 and his lying about it all through 2020 created and exacerbated Trump's Pandemic. See link and screenshot below:

https://www.bls.gov/charts/employmen...yment-rate.htm

You have a truly bizarre concept of "cause and effect" that seems to find a "cause" for things under Trump / Repubs that came into "effect" YEARS earlier after Dems shouldered all the heavy lifting and assumed all the political risk to make it happen.

As is so very common among Repubs anyway. And the saddest part is that you Repubs continually attribute those Dem acheivements you're always taking credit for to the very Repub tax policies, lax enforcement of regulations and horrible economic stewardship that has plunged America into every Great Depression, Great Recession, Massive Jobs Destruction and NONE of the Great Recoveries, Historic Expansions and Historic Job Gains of the past 100 years or so.

It is truly astonishing but understandable why typically pro Repub Mainstream Media let you get away with it.

You're a smart guy but you overemphasize trends and just look at one variable in trying to explain GDP growth, employment and the like: the party of the president. Please note I said PART of the reason were the changes in corporate taxation and deregulation. As I've mentioned countless times, external events (for example oil shocks and a pandemic), globalization, changes in technology, demographic changes and Fed policy have more influence on the economy than the president. Still I don't think the unemployment rate would have been as low or middle class wages would have been as high at the start of COVID, or at the end of Trump's presidency, or today if not for the corporate tax changes. And deregulation helped too.

This graph of real median household income is interesting too.

https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/MEHOINUSA672N

When COVID hit the workingman was finally making gains. He was treading water from 2000 to 2015, but then income popped upwards. COVID though intervened, and then high inflation in goods and services outpaced wage gains, and we gave a lot of it back.

[EihTooms]

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You really don't belong in the MAGA movement by the way. There were three planks to Trumps economic policy. One was a bad idea, the tariffs. The other two, lower corporate taxes and deregulation, where championed by Charles Koch and Nick Gillespie, along with President Trump. They were part of the reason why real weekly wages went up about the same during Trumps four years in office as they did in the prior 30 years. And why unemployment levels were down to levels last seen in the 1960s before COVID hit. As best as I can tell, you want to stick it to the corporations and ramp up the regulation. You're part of the MAMA (Make America Mediocre Again) movement championed by Jimmy Carter. Or maybe the MAP (Make America Poor) movement favored by Communists and our foreign adversaries.

This is hilarious:

"And yes I will repeat "people" that are pathologically selfish are PURE EVIL and will burn in hell."

Who's the quintessential pathologically selfish personality in American politics? Donald Trump. He may have good instincts on the economy, except for his tariff fetish. But he doesn't give a fuck about anyone except himself, and he's shown that time and time again.

Uh. Real Weekly Wages. That would be adjusted for inflation, right?

Real Weekly Wages were already climbing in an upward trajectory under Obama-Biden YEARS before Trump's one and only economic "stimulus" legislation went into effect in 2018. And the only reason there was a momentary spike in that "adjusted for inflation" part of it in early 2020 was because prices of everything else were crashing due to Trump's Pandemic. Yeah, anyone who still had a job that paid wages could buy gas really, really cheap and not go anywhere thanks to Trump's necessary closures at the time. See link and screenshot below:

https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/LES1252881600Q

Uh. The unemployment rate had been declining steadily and dramatically under Obama-Biden YEARS before Trump's one and only economic "stimulus" legislation went into effect in 2018. Oh, and please note the gigantic spike in the unemployment rate right about the same time those "adjusted for inflation" wages some lucky few were still receiving momentarily spiked up after Trump's other decisions in 2018 and 2019 and his lying about it all through 2020 created and exacerbated Trump's Pandemic. See link and screenshot below:

https://www.bls.gov/charts/employmen...yment-rate.htm

You have a truly bizarre concept of "cause and effect" that seems to find a "cause" for things under Trump / Repubs that came into "effect" YEARS earlier after Dems shouldered all the heavy lifting and assumed all the political risk to make it happen.

As is so very common among Repubs anyway. And the saddest part is that you Repubs continually attribute those Dem acheivements you're always taking credit for to the very Repub tax policies, lax enforcement of regulations and horrible economic stewardship that has plunged America into every Great Depression, Great Recession, Massive Jobs Destruction and NONE of the Great Recoveries, Historic Expansions and Historic Job Gains of the past 100 years or so.

It is truly astonishing but understandable why typically pro Repub Mainstream Media let you get away with it.

[Tiny 12]

"If you say that economic liberalism, including free trade, is a farce and should be quashed, I'm not going to say you are a full blown psychopath or Lucifer. Or that you're evil and will burn in hell for it. Or that you want to bring back slavery. That's even though most Americans and others would be worse off, while the crony capitalists who benefit from trade barriers, tariffs, and corporate subsidies would make out like bandits. I'm not going to say that because I am not a troll. Instead I would say you are misguided.

Word on the street is that a large percentage of people who don't like immigrants and other men of color are homosexual, like this dood.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeffrey_Dahmer

P.S. I've never fucked a dead woman or killed a live one, nor do I know anyone who has. ".

Free trade is a farce and a misnomer no less, free for whom, just call it what it is, unfair trade.

Parasites like this MAGA hating piece of shit.

https://sports.yahoo.com/citadel-bos...150044633.html#text=Citadel%20 CEO%20 Ken%20 Griffin%20 took, Investor's%2022nd%20 annual%20 Rich%20 List.

Guess what, he hates MAGA loves the CCP and open borders, HUNGER GAMES for ALL.

He didn't make that money he stole it, and should be drawn and quartered.

He may as well be printing it in his basement.

"That's even though most Americans and others would be worse off" so tell me who the fuck are these others you're so "worried" about? The slaves of the CCP?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foxconn_suicides

Do you know their solution? Install nets to catch the jumpers, and send them right back to their slot on the line!!

You sound as anti American as they get.

And yes I will repeat "people" that are pathologically selfish are PURE EVIL and will burn in hell.

People like Chas Koch (Montgomery Burns on steroids) or Nick Gillespie et al."

You're all over the place aren't you.

Ken Griffin's Citadel Securities is a parasite. It's a market making firm, which wouldn't exist if all shares were transparently traded on stock exchanges, like they are in Tooms' adopted country and many other places. Citadel takes money out of the pockets of pension funds, mutual funds and individuals and puts it into the pockets of Griffin and his associates. They're leaches, sucking up retirees money.

Trump, Biden, other presidents and Congress should have shut down this racket long ago but they haven't. You seem to be a big fan of crony capitalism that goes with tariffs and trade barriers, so its surprising youre complaining about this.

Your link to Foxconn suicides shows one or two occurring in some years since 2012. Foxconn has around 600,000 employees in China and the suicide rate there is about 10 per 100,000. So you'd expect about 60 suicides among Foxconn employees annually. Wikipedia didn't come up with near that many in any year. So what's your point?

Mine would be that the work done, mostly by women, in factories where consumer electronics and garments and the like are manufactured, is mind numbingly dull and repetitive. Americans don't want to do it. Yeah, if you want to create a suicide epidemic in America, you might just be able to do it with 100% made in the USA laws.

A little less than half of what we import are parts and the like that we incorporate into items made here. The value added for many products in the USA is multiples of what we pay for parts and components from other countries. Everyone's better off if we leave the rinky dink, repetitive manufacturing to other countries and do higher value added products and services in the USA.

The effect of tariffs and trade barriers on most Americans is negative. The overall effect is to lower wages, lower employment, and raise prices on consumers. Poorer Americans are hurt worst.

This explains it. Fat chance you'll read it, but I'll post it anyway.

https://www.cato.org/policy-analysis...ase-free-trade

Here's the storybook version.

https://www.cato.org/study/free-trade

You really don't belong in the MAGA movement by the way. There were three planks to Trumps economic policy. One was a bad idea, the tariffs. The other two, lower corporate taxes and deregulation, where championed by Charles Koch and Nick Gillespie, along with President Trump. They were part of the reason why real weekly wages went up about the same during Trumps four years in office as they did in the prior 30 years. And why unemployment levels were down to levels last seen in the 1960s before COVID hit. As best as I can tell, you want to stick it to the corporations and ramp up the regulation. You're part of the MAMA (Make America Mediocre Again) movement championed by Jimmy Carter. Or maybe the MAP (Make America Poor) movement favored by Communists and our foreign adversaries.

This is hilarious:

"And yes I will repeat "people" that are pathologically selfish are PURE EVIL and will burn in hell."

Who's the quintessential pathologically selfish personality in American politics? Donald Trump. He may have good instincts on the economy, except for his tariff fetish. But he doesn't give a fuck about anyone except himself, and he's shown that time and time again.

[MarquisdeSade1]

"If you say that economic liberalism, including free trade, is a farce and should be quashed, I'm not going to say you are a full blown psychopath or Lucifer. Or that you're evil and will burn in hell for it. Or that you want to bring back slavery. That's even though most Americans and others would be worse off, while the crony capitalists who benefit from trade barriers, tariffs, and corporate subsidies would make out like bandits. I'm not going to say that because I am not a troll. Instead I would say you are misguided.

Word on the street is that a large percentage of people who don't like immigrants and other men of color are homosexual, like this dood.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeffrey_Dahmer

P.S. I've never fucked a dead woman or killed a live one, nor do I know anyone who has. ".

Free trade is a farce and a misnomer no less, free for whom, just call it what it is, unfair trade.

Parasites like this MAGA hating piece of shit.

https://sports.yahoo.com/citadel-bos...150044633.html#text=Citadel%20 CEO%20 Ken%20 Griffin%20 took, Investor's%2022nd%20 annual%20 Rich%20 List.

Guess what, he hates MAGA loves the CCP and open borders, HUNGER GAMES for ALL.

He didn't make that money he stole it, and should be drawn and quartered.

He may as well be printing it in his basement.

"That's even though most Americans and others would be worse off" so tell me who the fuck are these others you're so "worried" about? The slaves of the CCP?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foxconn_suicides

Do you know their solution? Install nets to catch the jumpers, and send them right back to their slot on the line!!

You sound as anti American as they get.

And yes I will repeat "people" that are pathologically selfish are PURE EVIL and will burn in hell.

People like Chas Koch (Montgomery Burns on steroids) or Nick Gillespie et al.

[Tiny 12]

If you think promoting evil in this country makes a president great, well I believe that qualifies you as a full blown psychopath ala Mitt the Turd.

I'm guessing you would just say fuck "free trade" now that globalism is dying and just bring back good old fashioned slavery its more "cost efficient"

Anyone that promotes "free trade"as a good thing, is pure EVIL and shall burn in HELL for it.

"RIH / rot in hell Heinz / Lucifer.

https://neurosciencenews.com/drk-triad-trolling-18825/

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2...mat-1923-2023/

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2...nry-kissinger/

BTW are you a Mormon? Quoting a BYU study?

https://www.jebms.org/full-text/79

Are you implying I'm trolling LOL?

Not quite, but if anyone is, that would be you writing Mitt and Jeff Flake are "great men", or Bubba was a great president because he destroyed so many American families.

By destroying the middle class and middle America.

Do you know how many people like Flake or Romney? Not many.

So that would make you guilty of being a troll.

You trolled I responded and you don't like it, well that's how it works.

So then you imply I'm a troll? WOWWW.

https://www.newsmax.com/newsfront/ch...30/id/1144320/

I really hope you vote with ET Mitt and Flake for Dirtbag Joe, and make sure to let us know how that works out.

Because MAGA doesn't need or want your vote.

If you say that economic liberalism, including free trade, is a farce and should be quashed, I'm not going to say you are a full blown psychopath or Lucifer. Or that you're evil and will burn in hell for it. Or that you want to bring back slavery. That's even though most Americans and others would be worse off, while the crony capitalists who benefit from trade barriers, tariffs, and corporate subsidies would make out like bandits. I'm not going to say that because I am not a troll. Instead I would say you are misguided.

Word on the street is that this dood is a MAGA hating Libertarian.

https://www.aol.com/news/british-inq...165839084.html

Word on the street is that a large percentage of people who don't like immigrants and other men of color are homosexual, like this dood.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeffrey_Dahmer

P.S. I've never fucked a dead woman or killed a live one, nor do I know anyone who has.

[MarquisdeSade1]

"RIH / rot in hell Heinz / Lucifer.

https://neurosciencenews.com/drk-triad-trolling-18825/

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2...mat-1923-2023/

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2...nry-kissinger/

BTW are you a Mormon? Quoting a BYU study?

https://www.jebms.org/full-text/79

Are you implying I'm trolling LOL?

Not quite, but if anyone is, that would be you writing Mitt and Jeff Flake are "great men", or Bubba was a great president because he destroyed so many American families.

By destroying the middle class and middle America.

Do you know how many people like Flake or Romney? Not many.

So that would make you guilty of being a troll.

You trolled I responded and you don't like it, well that's how it works.

So then you imply I'm a troll? WOWWW.

https://www.newsmax.com/newsfront/ch...30/id/1144320/

I really hope you vote with ET Mitt and Flake for Dirtbag Joe, and make sure to let us know how that works out.

Because MAGA doesn't need or want your vote.

[Tiny 12]

"RIH / rot in hell Heinze

https://neurosciencenews.com/drk-triad-trolling-18825/".

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2...mat-1923-2023/

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2...nry-kissinger/

BTW are you a Mormon? Quoting a BYU study?

https://www.jebms.org/full-text/79

[MarquisdeSade1]

A man that unites all the people.

A true rainbow coalition.

https://nypost.com/2023/11/30/news/w...gn=android_nyp

Allahu Akbar.

[Spidy]

The countdown begins for when Trump calls this guy a liar, traitor, Deep State, RINO, "I don't know him. Never heard of him".

10,9, 8, 7, etc.

Or has he already made that announcement?

That goes double, for our so called ISG Repub economists....kkkk!

Former Trump advisor says the U.S. economy is 'back to normal', but markets may be jumping the gun on rate hikes.
Nov. 29, 2023

https://www.cnbc.com/2023/11/29/form...ndroidappshare

• Cohn who was chief economic advisor to former U.S. President Donald Trump from 2017 to 2018 does not see the Fed cutting interest rates until the second half of 2024.
  
  Cohn who was chief economic advisor to former U.S. President Donald Trump from 2017 to 2018 does not see the Fed cutting interest rates until the second half of 2024.
  Drawing on 100-year average data, Cohn said the U.S. economy is back to a normal, but we all forgot what normal is.
  .....
  "We haven't seen normal for over two decades. We went through a decade plus of zero interest rates, we went through a decade of quantitative easing, zero interest rates and the Fed trying to see if they could create inflation," he said.
  
  "We've gone from the Fed not being able to create inflation we now know the answer, the Fed cant create inflation, but the market can to us trying to unwind a shorter term inflationary shock. Were back into a normal world."
  
  He noted that the 100-year average for 10-year U.S. Treasury yields is around 4.5%, and that the 10-year yield has moderated from the 16-year high of 5% logged in October to around 4.3% as of Wednesday morning. Meanwhile, inflation is running back towards the mean of between 2% and 2.5%.
  
  "So every piece of economic data, if you look, is sort of heading back towards its very long term average. If you look at these over 100-year generational cycles, we seem to be running into that phase right now," Cohn added.

Thanks, Joe, Nancy, Chuck and the Dems for shouldering all the heavy lifting and assuming all the political risk to produce this historic recovery from another historic Great Repub Economic Disaster.

Again. As usual.

Yes, indeed, that quiet right! We salute you...Joe and the Dems, for a job well done!

Now Dems, needs to continue to shut this from the mountain tops and use the strength of the economy and the wave of anti-abortion ban wins, as their "double barrel shot gun", in their 2024 campaigning.

[MarquisdeSade1]

"https://neurosciencenews.com/drk-triad-trolling-18825/".

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2...mat-1923-2023/

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2...nry-kissinger/

BTW are you a Mormon? Quoting a BYU study?

[EihTooms]

In his own state, major Repub money donors, the Kock Brothers, are throwing it to Nikki Haley.

I guess they aren't buying those over-sampled Repubs and Repubs Pretending To Be Independents poll numbers for Trump, after all.

Koch network endorses Nikki Haley in GOP primary.

Nov. 28, 2023.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...y/71727372007/

Those Repub Kock Brothers really have their work cut out for them. Yes, Haley trying to pawn herself off as merely a pro Repub "Bothsider" rather than a rabid Repub loon by taking all sides of every issue makes it easy for them to run ads of her taking the Dem side on issues in blue states and the Repub side of the same issues in red states.

However, there is that inconvenient historical fact that every true Repub will never forget or forgive her for; as Governor of South Carolina she removed their most cherished pro slavery racist symbol from her State House. And bragged about it!

They'll need to show ads of her giggling and personally pulling the lever on Old Sparky with a Willie Horton stand-in sitting strapped to it over and over again in red states to even hope to get past that one with the vast majority of Repub voters.

Cue the deflection non sequitur from some Winger rushing in with "Whatabout Newsom"? Or somebody else who isn't even a declared candidate or a Repub. LOL."

There are no more Koch Bros, David died a few yrs back leaving us just with the sooper TURD Chas Kock.

A true shit stain on humanity!!

Oh, that's the memo I didn't get.

But that still leaves one Kock Bro and the whole Kock Nutwork behind to throw billions at Repub campaigns with the scheme being the Kocks will be flush with cash when their "winning" Repub so-called potus inevitably and reliably fulfills his / her Repub Party duty to Crash the USA Economy and Wipe Out Millions of Jobs by any means at hand, bringing the cost of everything down to less than bargain basement levels for them to swoop in for the big buy.

[EihTooms]

The Repub concepts of "Russsiagate", "Collusion" and "Hoax" sure are flexible and come in handy for Trump and his Repub and Pro Repub Bothsider / Neithersider Cult Followers whenever they need them, aren't they?

Oh, the Complexities, Complexities, Complexities persist. So let's make it as simple as 1, 2, 3:

1. Trump publicly sides with Putin on election interference.
July 16, 2018.

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/...-summit-722418

President Donald Trump on Monday publicly sided with Russian President Vladimir Putin over his own intelligence agencies, refusing to condemn the Kremlin for interference in the 2016 election and saying that I dont see any reason why Russia would have hacked Democratic computer servers.

Trumps remarkable statements, during a joint news conference in Helsinki, Finland, after holding a two-hour one-on-one meeting with Putin, came after special counsel Robert Mueller indicted 12 Russians on Friday over allegations of involvement in the state-ordered election-interference operation.

2. (REPUB-Controlled) Senate panel finds Russia interfered in the 2016 U.S. election.
Aug. 18, 2020.

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politic...16-us-election

WASHINGTON (AP) The Trump campaigns interactions with Russian intelligence services during the 2016 presidential election posed a grave counterintelligence threat, a Senate panel concluded Tuesday as it detailed how associates of Donald Trump had regular contact with Russians and expected to benefit from the Kremlins help.

The nearly 1,000-page report, the fifth and final one from the Republican-led Senate intelligence committee on the Russia investigation, details how Russia launched an aggressive effort to interfere in the election on Trumps behalf. It says the Trump campaign chairman had regular contact with a Russian intelligence officer and says other Trump associates were eager to exploit the Kremlins aid, particularly by maximizing the impact of the disclosure of Democratic emails hacked by Russian intelligence officers.

3. Trump lawyers cite Russian interference he decried as a "hoax" as defense in D.C. criminal case.
Trump repeatedly rejected claims Russian interference in 2016. Now his attorneys are citing it in court filing.
Nov. 29, 2023.

https://www.salon.com/2023/11/29/law...criminal-case/

....
In a court filing this week, Trump's attorneys argued that the former president is not at fault because others believed the election may have been undermined. They asserted instead that Russian election interference in 2016, the same subversion that Trump often deems "the Russia hoax," was at least in some part to blame for the distrust of the 2020 election results.

Ah. That's better.

[Tiny 12]

If you think promoting evil in this country makes a president great, well I believe that qualifies you as a full blown psychopath ala Mitt the Turd.

I'm guessing you would just say fuck "free trade" now that globalism is dying and just bring back good old fashioned slavery its more "cost efficient".

Word on the street is that this dood is a MAGA hating Libertarian.

https://www.aol.com/news/british-inq...165839084.html

Newsflash Tooms you aren't important enough to cherry pick....I'm sorry to see that retirement in Thailand continues to be so boring.

Unless you are a guy glued to his computer chair in a hooker forum posturing as a Libertarian night and day...

https://neurosciencenews.com/drk-triad-trolling-18825/

[MarquisdeSade1]

"In his own state, major Repub money donors, the Kock Brothers, are throwing it to Nikki Haley.

I guess they aren't buying those over-sampled Repubs and Repubs Pretending To Be Independents poll numbers for Trump, after all.

Koch network endorses Nikki Haley in GOP primary.

Nov. 28,2023.

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Those Repub Kock Brothers really have their work cut out for them. Yes, Haley trying to pawn herself off as merely a pro Repub "Bothsider" rather than a rabid Repub loon by taking all sides of every issue makes it easy for them to run ads of her taking the Dem side on issues in blue states and the Repub side of the same issues in red states.

However, there is that inconvenient historical fact that every true Repub will never forget or forgive her for; as Governor of South Carolina she removed their most cherished pro slavery racist symbol from her State House. And bragged about it!

They'll need to show ads of her giggling and personally pulling the lever on Old Sparky with a Willie Horton stand-in sitting strapped to it over and over again in red states to even hope to get past that one with the vast majority of Repub voters.

Cue the deflection non sequitur from some Winger rushing in with "Whatabout Newsom"? Or somebody else who isn't even a declared candidate or a Repub. LOL."

They'll need to show ads of her giggling and personally pulling the lever on Old Sparky with a Willie Horton stand-in sitting strapped to it over and over again in red states.

Like when Bubba rushed back to hillbilly land to sign the death warrant for a mentally ill prisoner in 1992 whilst he was on the campaign trail.

[MarquisdeSade1]

In his own state, major Repub money donors, the Kock Brothers, are throwing it to Nikki Haley.

I guess they aren't buying those over-sampled Repubs and Repubs Pretending To Be Independents poll numbers for Trump, after all.

Koch network endorses Nikki Haley in GOP primary.

Nov. 28, 2023.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...y/71727372007/

Those Repub Kock Brothers really have their work cut out for them. Yes, Haley trying to pawn herself off as merely a pro Repub "Bothsider" rather than a rabid Repub loon by taking all sides of every issue makes it easy for them to run ads of her taking the Dem side on issues in blue states and the Repub side of the same issues in red states.

However, there is that inconvenient historical fact that every true Repub will never forget or forgive her for; as Governor of South Carolina she removed their most cherished pro slavery racist symbol from her State House. And bragged about it!

They'll need to show ads of her giggling and personally pulling the lever on Old Sparky with a Willie Horton stand-in sitting strapped to it over and over again in red states to even hope to get past that one with the vast majority of Repub voters.

Cue the deflection non sequitur from some Winger rushing in with "Whatabout Newsom"? Or somebody else who isn't even a declared candidate or a Repub. LOL."

There are no more Koch Bros, David died a few yrs back leaving us just with the sooper TURD Chas Kock.

A true shit stain on humanity!!