FKK Sharks - Darmstadt

[Escape Artist]

IMHO 1000/9 hours is way too low for THE top girl like Maria even if you are a very attractive man. Top girl makes 250-300/ h because of extra service like DFK CIM, and many 30 min sessions finishes in 15 min, which makes it even higher. And My understanding is that she has a continuous flow of customers all day without much effort.

In addition to how tolerable / intolerable it would be to spend 9 hours with the particular client, value to the girl is likely ultimately determined by time and day of the week / how many other guests in the club. 1000 e guaranteed at 12 pm on Tuesday may be a great deal. 1000 e for a high earner at 4 pm Saturday may mean she takes a loss for more hours spent in the room.

It's funny how only 3 years ago, this would have been an absurd discussion.

[Long420]

For my many visits, no problem with Sharks staff and desk even improved, but I agree for the big fall for Sharks casting and Oase is better value now with less upselling, even less girls, but quantity don t make quality as I so often wrote. 1 high level to repeat, weekly for a guy like me, is better than mass who upsell for only average.

I think its because you are European tourist. Most girls cannot speak German so they really cannot distinguish. I can only say for Chinese and Asian tourists. They behave differently and try to hunt us and charge more. Yes, I was in Oase recently and the line up is pretty decent. I was happy to see the young new star Cleo at Oase. I this she is the current best in Frankfurt area.

[David1266]

Thanks to Anyone who want to stop visiting sharks. The less customers the less competition for attractive girls. Subsequently the pressure of hiking prices would also diminish. Thus would turn into buyers' market.

I don't mind pay 200/60 for the most beautiful beauties with best service attitude. But I don't want to see too many While complaining about the prices being too high, but also competing with me for attractive women.

So the win-win situation is that:

1) some guys save their precious toil and sweat hardest-earned money by stop visiting Sharks.

2) I get attractive women with less competition and cost-effectiveness.

Recently I offered 1000 euro to book Maria from 2 pm to 11 pm on a Thursday, but she politely declined in indirect way. She said many guests were waiting for her. I knew most customers only book her 100/30 at that slow day but she still got enough business because too many guys competed with me. So from 2 pm to 11 pm she could easily earn 1000 in 9 hours.

IMHO 1000/9 hours is way too low for THE top girl like Maria even if you are a very attractive man. Top girl makes 250-300/ h because of extra service like DFK CIM, and many 30 min sessions finishes in 15 min, which makes it even higher. And My understanding is that she has a continuous flow of customers all day without much effort.

[Turgid]

German-americans are the most wanted right now. Especially if daddy was settled in rammstein and is part of green party.

I banged an American German in Oase 13 years ago. Her father was American and her mother was German. Very attractive physically but I'm afraid her service was not all that good.

[Sirioja]

Sharks is a tourist trap and I think only good for local germans. The management fails to understand foriegn guests especially Chinese / Asians. The girls also try to hunt the asians and charge more. Its a no go place for tourists.

For my many visits, no problem with Sharks staff and desk even improved, but I agree for the big fall for Sharks casting and Oase is better value now with less upselling, even less girls, but quantity don t make quality as I so often wrote. 1 high level to repeat, weekly for a guy like me, is better than mass who upsell for only average.

[Sirioja]

German Government is making hundreds of billion euro depths, as an excuse they still use corona. Politicians like Lauterbach and Nonnemacher still recommend to wear masks and to do vaccine. Hospitals have measures again, because "the numbers of infections are rising". Last week Germany had over 3 Million infections, at least this is what fake news state media pray.

This is LOL.

We get same information in France with new covid variant.

[Escape Artist]

German Government is making hundreds of billion euro depths, as an excuse they still use corona. Politicians like Lauterbach and Nonnemacher still recommend to wear masks and to do vaccine. Hospitals have measures again, because "the numbers of infections are rising". Last week Germany had over 3 Million infections, at least this is what fake news state media pray.

This is LOL.

I saw zero masks in Germany and if if I did see a few here and there, I wouldn't be so obsessed with it. What's tiring for me is talking to people who have such strong feelings about topics to which they only have superficial exposure.

Something that was reinforced to me: truth doesn't matter to people who start with a conclusion and work backwards. They will selectively find data points that support their beliefs and ignore ones that do not.

[Sirioja]

The main issue at the moment is NOT spending 200/ hour on the most beautiful girls (Catelea, Maria, Ariana, Bibi, Kitty, Lora, maxima, Lola, Simone, Celine, Stacy, etc), but spending 200/60 on unattractive / Mediocre ones.

Why some guys still agree to pay 200/60 or 100/30 to mediocre or average girls but also complain? These guys could simply go away if too expensive and find a more optic young alternates.

Because these average girls are indulged by their regular customers. So These regular customers always pay whatever irrational rate their regular favorites ask, even if these girls have become aged and ugly.

For example,

So you should blame customers who choose her and keep her in business. I never chose Emma since 2016.

Catelea consistently quotes me 200/60 with GFE. Lora (fr) also quoted me 200/60, the same rate she offered to Sirioja, who booked 10 hours at that rate 200/60 already .

So if you don't like Catelea, Lora (FR) or Maria (ukr), then just save your money and leave away.

Lora. FR when was fresh before March 2023 and her prostitute, Ariana Grande style, fake poney tail, was the only one to worth 200/60 for me at Sharks, to speak french while sex, what I missed so much, so I was not really objective. Maxima who is not French is not at all as pretty, even beautiful eyes and teeth and not fresh behavior but professionnal. Now with much cellulite on ass. German Jasmin from Munich lowered her rate to 150/60 after our discovery, when she was fire in bed. I had Germans coming from escorting for less than 200/60 on 2022 and 2023 , when I never beg, but from my way with them.

[PumDiPum]

Meh. No need to scapegoat Americans as we don't make up a significant amount of the clientele to have that big an effect. Simple math. Same with the scapegoating of Asians. Those two populations together make up, at most, 5% of total guests. At any given time, there are probably less than 10 total Americans or Asians visiting Sharks.

Shark's business if probably something along the lines of 1/3 German-German, 1/3 Turkish-German, 1/4 other European, plus the rest of the world filling in the remainder. To have such vitriol for these populations is just scapegoating and hate-mongering more than reality.

German-americans are the most wanted right now. Especially if daddy was settled in rammstein and is part of green party.

[PumDiPum]

LOL, still on this? How sad.

German Government is making hundreds of billion euro depths, as an excuse they still use corona. Politicians like Lauterbach and Nonnemacher still recommend to wear masks and to do vaccine. Hospitals have measures again, because "the numbers of infections are rising". Last week Germany had over 3 Million infections, at least this is what fake news state media pray.

This is LOL.

[Long420]

When mostly tourists here, but You should read german lustscout for Germans and locals, to understand better what became Sharks. Under lockdown, Germans started to pay 100/30 or 150/60 , when only Melissa ex Palace asked 150/60 before covid and still on same rate. Now they pay 250/60 for Elektra or Simona I would not pay for. Some Germans proposed thousands to my rare German I paid 150/60 or 200/80 and she asked to repeat. Some are turning crazy for little Romanians looking like schoolgirl, or when a fresh natural German.

Sharks is a tourist trap and I think only good for local germans. The management fails to understand foriegn guests especially Chinese / Asians. The girls also try to hunt the asians and charge more. Its a no go place for tourists.

[TimCreek]

And some on his list are not good in bed like Kity or Bibi or very average like Katalea, some are not pretty like Lola or Claudia and some I never even noticed like Ariana. His top girls and quality are very different. If he ever touched Maria, or full natural with beautiful eyes Sena for 150/60 , he may understand he wasted money with lower level, when he doesn t seem demanding, when girls tell I m too picky, not finding at Sharks or Globe.

I think again this is all relevant.

Most of the FKK scene is subjective there are some dudes that fall in love with the girls in FKK and agree to prices that probably should not be paid in general. But again it's very subjective so I don't judge. I have paid ridiculous prices probably ten fold in Vietnam, Phuket, Prague just because I had a connection with a person beyond sex. 🤷127995;8205;9794;65039;.

I don't think that kind of behavior generally affects overall FKK scene but again tourists and availability of information makes all the difference.

But believe me girls take that in consideration as well perhaps not all but they also consider when the income is prime, what is the best way to maximize etc, which is why many work part time, or develop connections outside of the club.

[Sirioja]

Agree, probably not accurate assessment, overall this is representing global shift in tourists patterns. Internet, economic growth makes things easiest. While back in the day Sharks and the likes may be more known to locals and in smaller circles now a google search for FKK's will yield Sharks as a place to visit, accordingly prices will rise. I don't think that is a phenomenon that must remain, with economic downturns and so on it may shift back down, in fact I heard from one of the girls that "management" mentioned lowering prices etc. Not sure if this was BS or not but I did hear this.

A while ago, management told girls about less business and asked new girls to work for 80/30 and 130/30 . I know some guys who got Cami for 80 . But not new just didn t care and rised from 150 to 200 or even more for average quality for 1 hour. They prefer to warm their ass making cellulite, sitting for hours. Management is really not helped by their girls and lose business because of many, when better value and quality elsewhere. If they worked in normal life, many would be fired when too expensive for their quality: look and in bed. Even club is good, but not only Sharks in Hessen and Germany where can still find really good quality, with woman types really GFE for me, for 150/60 or 200/90 .

[TimCreek]

Meh. No need to scapegoat Americans as we don't make up a significant amount of the clientele to have that big an effect. Simple math. Same with the scapegoating of Asians. Those two populations together make up, at most, 5% of total guests. At any given time, there are probably less than 10 total Americans or Asians visiting Sharks.

Shark's business if probably something along the lines of 1/3 German-German, 1/3 Turkish-German, 1/4 other European, plus the rest of the world filling in the remainder. To have such vitriol for these populations is just scapegoating and hate-mongering more than reality.

Agree, probably not accurate assessment, overall this is representing global shift in tourists patterns. Internet, economic growth makes things easiest. While back in the day Sharks and the likes may be more known to locals and in smaller circles now a google search for FKK's will yield Sharks as a place to visit, accordingly prices will rise. I don't think that is a phenomenon that must remain, with economic downturns and so on it may shift back down, in fact I heard from one of the girls that "management" mentioned lowering prices etc. Not sure if this was BS or not but I did hear this.

[Sirioja]

It is possible that you may not be aware of the FKK concept as your views seem to disregard some essential principles of an FKK sauna club.

These are not my personal views; but rather, they are inherent concepts of German FKKs: standardized pricing for all girls regardless of the subjectivity of "top girl" and bulk fucking many girls in volume. So not only does the normalization of a price point that prevents volume fucking undermine the FKK concept, normalizing variable pricing is also against the FKK concept.

As others have said, it does not matter that a monger justifies higher prices by claiming that a girl is a "top young girl. " The monger who pays higher prices is actively involved in raising prices from other girls as girls work in unison to raise prices. Pay one hot girl a higher rate, her mediocre friend will ask for the higher rate. Girls watch each other and pressure others into higher pricing. I took a massage from one girl, just a massage, and paid her 50 euro. On payment, she requested that I discreetly give her the 50 e so others could not see the small amount. This should tell you how price gouging works.

Your 200 e payment to a "top optic" promotes the entire price gouge scene. Like you, another poster has previously stated, "not all girls are worth the same rate. " That too undermines the German FKK concept. The idea of only fucking one girl during a visit undermines the FKK concept. Common thread: foreign mongers not respecting local concepts.

It's Germany, frugality and standardization are cultural norms embedded into the FKK Sauna Club concept. Locals respond by mostly only taking half hour rooms for 100 euro and many have stopped visiting altogether, already unfortunate.

Unfortunately many foreign mongers mess up a good thing by gleefully giving extortion level payments for service levels that are not even guaranteed to be acceptable. People can do whatever they choose but let's not fool ourselves by turning a blind eye to being part of the problem of the disappearing FKK concepts orchestrated by Romanian girls price gouging low volume fuckers.

When mostly tourists here, but You should read german lustscout for Germans and locals, to understand better what became Sharks. Under lockdown, Germans started to pay 100/30 or 150/60 , when only Melissa ex Palace asked 150/60 before covid and still on same rate. Now they pay 250/60 for Elektra or Simona I would not pay for. Some Germans proposed thousands to my rare German I paid 150/60 or 200/80 and she asked to repeat. Some are turning crazy for little Romanians looking like schoolgirl, or when a fresh natural German.