Manila

[HunterMonger]

SA Manila can be hit and miss.

I had all set up before landing in Manila, even with a backup option.

Both the girls were amazing and confirmed with the video call but they changed their mind after I landed. I guess It also depends on the girls you chose.

BTW how did you find girls on reddit.

I'm staying in Makati Feb 4th to Feb 17th and am also interested in a sb. I've contacted a few girls from Reddit, but am unsure wether it's worth getting a SA membership.

[HunterMonger]

I am just wondering about the best anonymous way to pay regular SB. On the initial visit I paid her in cash, Now she is asking money on the monthly basis but I am away and not going to visit for few months.

At the same time I am not happy to disclose my real name and bank account details to her. I am aware grab and gcash but I am not sure about the information shared to her.

All suggestions are welcome.

[El Ted]

You will find the location and phone number in Google Maps. To find the spa you go halfway into the driveway, enter the door on the right and go up to the 2nd floor. There are signs to guide you.

It is highly recommended to make an appointment since it gets busy, especially in the evenings.

They have 3 or 4 different massages on their menu, including a 4 hands. I mostly go for their signature massage, which is 80 minutes for 1300 pesos.

The locale is nothing to brag about. Several small-ish cubicles with a massage table and aircon, and a shower down the hall.

There is no nuru here, just oily backrub and a long HJ.

Mind telling me a little about Abacca? I've heard about it, but it doesn't have a website.

Do you have to make an appointment? Is it just standard massage and HJ?

What I'm really searching for is a proper Nuru massage (with the gel! It's the grail I've been searching for haha. All the massage places I've been to in Barca, Vienna and Prague that have offered Nuru never have the gel.

I'm staying in Makati Feb 4th-Feb 17th.

[Rprogta]

I am going to live in Makati area, city garden hotel.

I have SA subscription, but just want see tested and trialed girls rather than just experimenting as I am going to visit for a week only.

If you provide ID OR SA profile link, I can contact them and have chat with them.

Thanks.

I'm staying in Makati Feb 4th to Feb 17th and am also interested in a sb. I've contacted a few girls from Reddit, but am unsure wether it's worth getting a SA membership.

[Rprogta]

I have been to Abacca several times and have been happy with their service every time. This time I am staying close to Mall of Asia. Are there any similiar establishments in the Pasay area? What I'm looking for specifically is a half decent back and shoulder rub followed by a long and teasing massage with plenty of cock, balls and arse action.

Mind telling me a little about Abacca? I've heard about it, but it doesn't have a website.

Do you have to make an appointment? Is it just standard massage and HJ?

What I'm really searching for is a proper Nuru massage (with the gel! It's the grail I've been searching for haha. All the massage places I've been to in Barca, Vienna and Prague that have offered Nuru never have the gel.

I'm staying in Makati Feb 4th-Feb 17th.

[Rprogta]

I have been to German FKKs several times. BBFS is the norm in the RTC clubs in the north west and one or two places in Frankfurt. The rest used to include DFK, BBBJ and CFS. The standard was 50 Euro for 30 min or 100 Euro for an hour. I always went for the 30 min single pop. First time I saw a FKK was when the Euro just came out as a currency and 50 Euro was 40 USD. Back then the clubs were full of super hot Russian, Polish, Ukranian etc unlike now when its 90% Romanian. The RTC clubs were even cheaper (30 Euro a pop) and you could BBFSCIP with less hot girls but still many notches above the average US hooker.

All nostalgia. Its not like that anymore I hear.

I can add some input to this topic as I've been to a couple of FKKs in the past year and researched a few in Frankfurt.

Germany and more specifically Frankfurt are by far the best destination for FKKs still. FKK Sharks is regarded as the best. Prices have gone up with standard half hour service (no extras) being €70 or even more. Extras like BBBJ cost €50. I'm not familiar with any club in Europe offering BBFS. Club entrance fees have also gone up to around €95, think it is less at Sharks and the Frankfurt clubs.

The clubs I went to were Goldentime in Vienna and Sauna Club Prague. Goldentime in Vienna was great, although a little pricey with 30 minutes standard service starting at €100. I do love having drinks in a club surrounded by gorgeous naked women though, and would recommend that everyone here tries this experience at least once. It's a shame that quality of most clubs has gone downhill, as mentioned above there is a significant amount of Romanians in these clubs whose service is lacklustre. That's why selecting a good girl is key and not being pressured by the first girl who flirts with you. I remember walking into GT and straight away two Moldovan girls grabbing my arm and starting some heavy persuasion.

I knew to expect this and am usually very good at saying no when I'm not interested. Things got hard (literally!) when they took me to the quiet porn theatre and sat real close with their boobs right in my face. I almost cracked then, but forced myself to remember that they were nowhere near the top 10% of girls in the club, and also focus on their imperfections. I knew I'the regret wasting time and money on these girls so had to be more firm and got away (some girls are really pushy and gaslight you into choosing them).

It's strange because it really flips the script on how guys are usually treated. In the outside world girls are the ones hit on in clubs and pressured into sex, but in the FKKs men are hit on with girls coming up to you and flirting.

My patience was rewarded at GT as I had an amazing time with a pale, auburn haired Hungarian who had an amazing natural body. She gave me an awesome GFE for €200.

I wouldn't bother with the FKK in Prague. I've heard the girls there can get aggressive if you reject them, also there are much better value girls elsewhere in the city.

So yeah, FKKs are a great experience. Especially if you can go through multiple women per hour. If you're a one pop guy then it's less value for money when you consider the club entrance fee.

[Expat American]

Ya that would be the cost of an AC girl, but with longer recovery time between shots.

Think for a moment of those experiences, not from the standpoint of a repeater or regular customer, just as a john who was fresh off the airplane for his week-long conference today. Could you have gotten BBFS from almost all of them for those prices? And further, what would those BBFS prices be now, post-covid inflationary? I ask for this reason: The previous euro gents were thinking of US prices being similar to euro prices (or even euro prices a decade ago). Comparing such sfredbook experiences for new gents today, and the cheaper euro FKK prices today (to include airfare & hotels), and Phils prices today (to include airfare & hotels). Aren't they 3 different animals?

And as another question: Euro girls, especially FKK. Condom required? Full hour or 90 minutes like EA for 2 pops, same price? How does that work?

I have been to German FKKs several times. BBFS is the norm in the RTC clubs in the north west and one or two places in Frankfurt. The rest used to include DFK, BBBJ and CFS. The standard was 50 Euro for 30 min or 100 Euro for an hour. I always went for the 30 min single pop. First time I saw a FKK was when the Euro just came out as a currency and 50 Euro was 40 USD. Back then the clubs were full of super hot Russian, Polish, Ukranian etc unlike now when its 90% Romanian. The RTC clubs were even cheaper (30 Euro a pop) and you could BBFSCIP with less hot girls but still many notches above the average US hooker.

All nostalgia. Its not like that anymore I hear.

[Docwiltro]

The other girls that will be willing to do this live in tondo and are still going to want a roof over their heads, transportation, food, possibly clothes, because the kind of girl that you are going to pick up is laterally going to have holes in everything they own tondo hoe bringing her into a 5 star hotel or luxurious condo is going to be a very awkward walk of shame in both directions.

Here's a couple of Tondo girls with my new fav leading the way.

[WestCoast1]

Ah the good old days of sfredbook. I was in the Bay area and regular user and contributor of reviews etc. I have to say, I could always get a decent independent at $200 or less and AAMP experience was 160 for a Taiwanese MILF or $200 for a more attractive Korean. Some of them even offered BBFS, especially if you were a regular. I found BDSM providers as well at reasonable prices. But back then even SA was a gold mine of non-pros who could be got for a whole evening for $300 or less, sometimes even for the price of a meal. I left the US in 2017 so haven't mongered there since then but sounds like its pretty horrible now.

Meanwhile here in Singapore I just fucked a Thai girl for 90 min 2 x for about $100. And even managed BBFS. So Bye Bye Miss American Pie.

Ya that would be the cost of an AC girl, but with longer recovery time between shots.

Think for a moment of those experiences, not from the standpoint of a repeater or regular customer, just as a john who was fresh off the airplane for his week-long conference today. Could you have gotten BBFS from almost all of them for those prices? And further, what would those BBFS prices be now, post-covid inflationary? I ask for this reason: The previous euro gents were thinking of US prices being similar to euro prices (or even euro prices a decade ago). Comparing such sfredbook experiences for new gents today, and the cheaper euro FKK prices today (to include airfare & hotels), and Phils prices today (to include airfare & hotels). Aren't they 3 different animals?

And as another question: Euro girls, especially FKK. Condom required? Full hour or 90 minutes like EA for 2 pops, same price? How does that work?

[Expat American]

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Previously we had my redbook dot com, but it was put out of business in around 2014-ish. It was an online website where girls could advertise and you could make an appointment for incall or outcall. There is no 'set rate', girls were all independent contractors. Typical price were $200 for a chub, fug, or older gal; $300 for an attractive woman under age 30, and $500-$1000 for a college hottie. Those prices might double in the big city. Prices vary widely depending on location. And let me be clear about the girl's requirements: They are long, and steep. As examples: That is PER HOUR, and you WILL WEAR A CONDOM. YOU WILL DEPART THE PREMISES AT THE 60 MINUTE MARK (or alternately, EARLIER IF YOU CUM FAST), AND YOU WILL PAY IN CASH BEFORE EVEN SAYING HELLO. PERIOD. Discounts are given for multiple hours purchased in advance. For instance, if she is $300 for the first hour, she might agree to $500 for 2 hours. About 5 minutes before the 1-hour mark you will hear a 'ding', as she has set the 55-minute alarm, then she tells you its time to get dressed and get out. "I have another client".

Ah the good old days of sfredbook. I was in the Bay area and regular user and contributor of reviews etc. I have to say, I could always get a decent independent at $200 or less and AAMP experience was 160 for a Taiwanese MILF or $200 for a more attractive Korean. Some of them even offered BBFS, especially if you were a regular. I found BDSM providers as well at reasonable prices. But back then even SA was a gold mine of non-pros who could be got for a whole evening for $300 or less, sometimes even for the price of a meal. I left the US in 2017 so haven't mongered there since then but sounds like its pretty horrible now.

Meanwhile here in Singapore I just fucked a Thai girl for 90 min 2 x for about $100. And even managed BBFS. So Bye Bye Miss American Pie.

[Member #4794]

However, freelancers in the US have a big problem with drug addiction. So most of the US freelancers aren't talked about as "freelancers" but rather as "crack hos" and are not seen as safe to visit for the average man. (Those men who are on food stamps just visit them nevertheless.).
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Solid explanation, You can always find lower.

$100 Motel 6 crack ho is your. Philippiens equivalent of the Avenida-Recto shabu heads.

Go to Hotel Sogo. Avenida around 10 pm ish you'll see girls for less than 1 k the quality of these girls is 0/10, you can still find them in the day time but they are much less prevalent. This area is EXTREEMLY dangerous past 10 pm and I would not advise any tourist to walk down this street alone after 10 pm. Mostly because of patches of broken streetlights make this very sketchy, Their are no diamonds in the rough here all real rough stones. And the Hotel Sogo. Recto also has the lowest possible form of hooker in the philippines. Recto Avenue used to be known for really shady cinemas the old hollywood blvd kind where you could get a blow job or rub and tug in the heater or rub one out its fabled to still be happening but? No one here considering this group has turned into high rollers for 5 k-10 k a pop would go anywhere near this place.

[WestCoast1]

I left the UK (my home country) in 2011 and prior to leaving I used to pay between GBP50 and GBP80 for sex with working girls (PHP3,200 to PHP5,200). This was in London and also in other big cities in the UK, almost all of the girls that serviced me were Asian, mostly Chinese, with some Korean, Japanese and Thais. I never expected to end up in Manila paying more for sex than I was paying in the UK!

Yes. Euro-FKK type services are (or at least were, pre-covid), available in Europe. Although the Euro threads on ISG also show prices in multiples of this, and sometimes for older fugs*. Also Md's comparison is from 2011 to now. Guessing those prices in London might not be available with young cuties now?

I have a hard time beliving that this really applies to all american prostitutes. There must be women around who is ok for 100-150 dollars for service. How can the prices be so different from western Europe? It makes no sense. There is around 40 million americans on food stamps.

Your argument is academic; it avoids reality. Sad face for Americans.

Americans have been a part of inflating the market since covid ended. With overvalued US dollars and cashed saved up from covidyears they go out and overpay and justify it by talking about the overinflated numbers in the US. "I pay at least 400 dollars for a women in the US" bla bla bla.

The market was inflated long before covid. When thousands of women command higher prices, its either a concerted effort on their part to 'mafia-up' and hold the line (difficult to believe that any 10 women could agree on any one thing), or its just the market being the market.

Md and KL, we have posted here before American prices, mostly ala AMP's. Prostitution in America is a bit more taboo. Choices are usually: 1) AMP's (Chinese massage parlors), where an older / fugly Chinita massages you with hand job to completion, usually $60 for the massage, and $100 for the HJ, $200 includes oral (covered), and $300 is FS. 2) Escort services (very expensive).

Previously we had my redbook dot com, but it was put out of business in around 2014-ish. It was an online website where girls could advertise and you could make an appointment for incall or outcall. There is no 'set rate', girls were all independent contractors. Typical price were $200 for a chub, fug, or older gal; $300 for an attractive woman under age 30, and $500-$1000 for a college hottie. Those prices might double in the big city. Prices vary widely depending on location. And let me be clear about the girl's requirements: They are long, and steep. As examples: That is PER HOUR, and you WILL WEAR A CONDOM. YOU WILL DEPART THE PREMISES AT THE 60 MINUTE MARK (or alternately, EARLIER IF YOU CUM FAST), AND YOU WILL PAY IN CASH BEFORE EVEN SAYING HELLO. PERIOD. Discounts are given for multiple hours purchased in advance. For instance, if she is $300 for the first hour, she might agree to $500 for 2 hours. About 5 minutes before the 1-hour mark you will hear a 'ding', as she has set the 55-minute alarm, then she tells you its time to get dressed and get out. "I have another client".

While redbook went out of biz, the industry lived on. During covid (and since), prices went up by about 50%. That bit about "I pay at least $400 for a woman in the US" is real. That's for an hour of covered joy. I know gents who pay multiples of that. Having availed of this system before, I can vouch that the girls were as pictured, young and guapa, and they always provided a good service and wanted me to return (and sometimes discounted for future visits, ala -$50 the next time). However its a biz. You either go to her place (CCTV mounted above the front door), or you meet at HER fav hotel (and you pay for the room). Redbook comprised thousands of girls (possibly multiples of that), with the biggest concentration was oddly in Sacramento (you'd think LA or NY). It was a large, eclectic set of ladies available in most locations, but you never saw "150 per hour". Think twice that on the low end. If your biz trip took you to Fargo, or St. George, you could probably find someone in the area available to tickle your fancy. Here is a link to an article from 2015, Wired website "The Rise and Fall of RedBook, the Site That Sex Workers Couldn't Live Without":

https://www.wired.com/2015/02/redbook/

I also know girls in my area who went for considerably less (at times), either due to circumstantial need, emergencies, or drug fixes (crack ho's).

Las Vegas. LV is its own bubble, with all sorts of nawty possibilities. But prices are just as high, or higher. A mate went there pre-covid and met a gal at the hotel bar. She said she could swing by his place later. They exchanged phone numbers. She txt later suggesting she stop by. He agreed. She asked what her compensation would be for an hour of happiness. He took a picture of four $100 bills and sent it to her. Her reply: "Um, you need to triple that. I can give you my discount if you triple that. I will bring a condom. Its one hour". He didn't reply, disgusted at the thought of more than $1000 USD. Also he showed me her pic, she's just blah, late 30's.

ZH is quite right. Americans either put up with these high prices, or we hit Mexico, SA, DR, or asia.

* OTOH. Europe. While the FKK's exist, and one can fly to Germany for these, what other venues exist like this? Where do mongers turn to in France, England, Poland, etc for the lower prices? The ISG boards are rife with gents rolling around Poland or such trying hard to find point-and-shoot poon, finding fugs, paying high prices. I direct you to just one such post (recent):

http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/...=1#post2871625

And to quote:

A. Call around 7 pmish time. These girls work during the day, work only for the short window in the evening. They don't answer or even shut off the their sex phones during the day.

Be. No girl will have the real photos. Polish girls are even more careful on the internet exposure. Don't waste your energy to save the link while jerking off over their photos.

See. Prepare 300 PLN (zloty. Standard price) x multiples. They don't appreciate the Euros, and they are not smart to do the plus and minus.

The. Polish girls are not really into sex, it seems. They are extremely careful into hygiene. No kiss, no bare back bjs. Some are good, some are not.

4. Even at 250 EURO for 1 hour, fake girl comes to your door. My budget was 100 euro (440 zloty) per hour.

Many posting says 1 hour for 50 Euro. Very hard to find. For 50 Euro, you will get old, saggy, beer bellied woman, but they are still beautiful and better than others.

I was lucky to bump into this woman for incall. She showed up with long legs (which I love), but she didn't even bring the lubricant. I didn't have Polish money so I gave her 50 Euros and extended hours. I showed the math, but she does not seem to understand, so I ended up spending 250 Euros for 2 shots for 1. 5 hours. Please prepare 300 zloty, 300 zloty, 300 zloty to extend your hours (if you like girl).

Damn Putin! I hate you!

[Zach Hammond]

I have a hard time beliving that this really applies to all american prostitutes. There must be women around who is ok for 100-150 dollars for service.

There are; but they are mostly freelancers. There are some freelance escorts that operate online for prices like this.

However, freelancers in the US have a big problem with drug addiction. So most of the US freelancers aren't talked about as "freelancers" but rather as "crack hos" — and are not seen as safe to visit for the average man. (Those men who are on food stamps just visit them nevertheless.).

How can the prices be so different from western Europe? It makes no sense.

The trick is that middle-class American men mostly don't poon in America, but rather take "business trips" elsewhere. Who keeps the economies of Mexico, Colombia, DR, etc. Afloat? American men who can't get laid at home. If the average American man could afford the average American prostitute, these countries would have no tourism.

To add at least a little something on-topic: the same problem is at the root of there being so many Chinese and Koreans in the Philippines. The Philippines is to them as Mexico is to Americans: a cheap flight destination where the girls are more affordable than they are at home.

[KrumeLurer]

I have a hard time beliving that this really applies to all american prostitutes. There must be women around who is ok for 100-150 dollars for service. How can the prices be so different from western Europe? It makes no sense. There is around 40 million americans on food stamps.

Americans have been a part of inflating the market since covid ended. With overvalued US dollars and cashed saved up from covidyears they go out and overpay and justify it by talking about the overinflated numbers in the US. "I pay at least 400 dollars for a women in the US" bla bla bla.

" In Vegas two girls wanted 1500 USD each and that was short time mind you. The US to Phil is not apples and oranges its different planets. Why more men don't get the hell out of here I have no idea.

In the west this makes some sense because a dinner will cost you $80-$200 while paying for sex is around $400-$1200.

Conversely in the philippines food costs about $15-$25 and sex is about $40-$80 so it is more equitable to pay for the sex "in the philippines", different country different rules.

It will cost you more to create the illusion of not paying for sex than it would be just paying for it.

[El Ted]

I have been to Abacca several times and have been happy with their service every time. This time I am staying close to Mall of Asia. Are there any similiar establishments in the Pasay area? What I'm looking for specifically is a half decent back and shoulder rub followed by a long and teasing massage with plenty of cock, balls and arse action.