Lisbon

[Mongerer88]

Thank you for the information! Telma did look sketchy and I will avoid.

Regarding the Apartadax and EP girls, is it actually safe to conclude that the verified photos are real, if re-touched? Or could they be of a totally different woman?

I'm a bit torn between going for someone like Rebecca who seems nearly certain to provide good service, or to take a chance and try one of the ebony girls. I get plenty of good sex in Asia and have no strong affinity for Caucasian girls, so good sex with a late 20s white girl, would be nice, but not unusual. Bad sex with a young black girl would be an unfortunate waste of good money. So, how risky is that?

I don't mean to imply bias, but culturally, in Portugal, are the black women more or less likely to be scammers? It's certainly 100% true in America where a few times, long ago, I tried some of the dark girls in Detroit and LA. Horrible experiences with conniving bitches. Id never considered black escorts in the US. (Actually, any escorts are a high priced rip-off in the land if the free, imo)

So, Any general cultural differences in Portugal that would lead an experienced monger to shy away from the ebony ladies?

The Apartadox and EP photos are often 10-25 percent better than reality.

I can't say there is a cultural difference regarding ladies of African ancestry in Lisbon.

Another one of EP's best rated ladies is Joana Montenegro. The combination of her being a little bit older and a little bit lighter-skinned than your target made me not put her on the list for you, but you can list her as a back-up. But I think she has some African ancestry.

https://escortprivada.com/escort/joana-montenegro/

Deborah Dias is no longer on the EP roster but she is dark-skinned African and received excellent reviews.

There was a little African lady from South Africa that was one of Lisbon's most popular independents for years.

Sure there have been some scammers and duds, but some of Lisbon's most popular ladies are part or full African.

Portugal is a pretty welcoming melting pot.

And although they are too old for you, since you mentioned 18-year olds as a preference, I remember that some of Kama's Lisbon favorites have been of African ancestry.

Two of my favorite upscale independent escorts in Miami were either full or part African American. But at the low-end of the USA Scene, Black ladies do not have a very good reputation in the USA.

[SteelBaton]

Thank you for the information! Telma did look sketchy and I will avoid.

Regarding the Apartadax and EP girls, is it actually safe to conclude that the verified photos are real, if re-touched? Or could they be of a totally different woman?

I'm a bit torn between going for someone like Rebecca who seems nearly certain to provide good service, or to take a chance and try one of the ebony girls. I get plenty of good sex in Asia and have no strong affinity for Caucasian girls, so good sex with a late 20’s white girl, would be nice, but not unusual. Bad sex with a young black girl would be an unfortunate waste of good money. So, how risky is that?

I don't mean to imply bias, but culturally, in Portugal, are the black women more or less likely to be scammers? It's certainly 100% true in America where a few times, long ago, I tried some of the dark girls in Detroit and LA. Horrible experiences with conniving bitches. I’d never considered black escorts in the US. (Actually, any escorts are a high priced rip-off in the ‘land if the free’, imo)

So, Any general cultural differences in Portugal that would lead an experienced monger to shy away from the ebony ladies?

On your list, with the exception of Yara Cohen, who XXL has now warned you about, Telma Vaz is also unfortunately on the Likely Do Not See list. Telma received a negative review on this board and a mediocre 3 out of 10 pm on her one review on the local board. Here is a translated version of Telma Vaz local board review:

" TD done more than two weeks ago. Trip to the hotel and easy appointment with some advance.

It was the worst experience I had with the EP. .

If you can go a few years older, this relatively darker-skinned independent gets excellent reviews here on ISG and on the local board, where she is one of the absolute favorites. Relatively speaking, she is not that old (in her twenties).

https://www.apartadox.com/acompanhan...ler-rocha-4428

And of course, Rebeca Diniz is the highest-rated lady on the local board, with my review of her on ISG, but is closer to thirty than Eller Rocha might be. But Rebeca is very nice looking and slim.

https://www.apartadox.com/acompanhan...eca-diniz-6364

[Mongerer88]

Can anyone provide any information on these ebony girls, or suggest where I might find information. - Cheers Mick.

Yara Cohen, 28, Brazilian.

https://www.apartadox.com/en/luxury-...ara-cohen-4950

Rafaela 18 A*.

https://escortprivada.com/escort/rafaela-ouro/

Telma Vaz (also advertise as duo with another black girl), 19 A*.

https://www.eurogirlsescort.com/esco...2/?list=q93xbd

Beatriz Fernandes 18.

https://www.apartadox.com/acompanhan...fernandes-8391

On your list, with the exception of Yara Cohen, who XXL has now warned you about, Telma Vaz is also unfortunately on the Likely Do Not See list. Telma received a negative review on this board and a mediocre 3 out of 10 pm on her one review on the local board. Here is a translated version of Telma Vaz local board review:

" TD done more than two weeks ago. Trip to the hotel and easy appointment with some advance.

It was the worst experience I had with the EP. Then taking into account the amount paid, even worse.

He took a shower on arrival, nothing to say about hygiene. The rehearsal deceives a lot, his chest is depressed and with some stretch marks and his tail is more empty and also with stretch marks. There are also some pimples on his face.

We started with some making out and let him move everything, he just doesn't let him put his fingers in. In the oral it is very bad, he spent a minute or two jerking off with two or three licks in the middle. You can't even warm it up. Then we tried some positions but I was either not comfortable or I was immediately tired. He pulled the fight straight to the doggy, and it was just there.

I'm fed up with that I asked CIM or CIF to end that suffering and I had to show the whatsapp messages in which the operator said it was ok to finish with a CIF of the saddest there is.

He says he does anal but didn't want to burn more money.

Finally the worst part. After the shower at the end I started to hear noises coming from someone's bathroom hitting something on the bench. I went to see if everything was okay and that's when I saw her sniffing something, I don't know if it was cocaine. It came out as if it were nothing. ".

I find no reviews yet if either Rafaela Oura or Beatriz Fernandes. They are both EP ladies, and if you see either of them, any feedback would be greatly appreciated.

If you want the confidence of prior favorable and trustable reviews, for darker-skinned young, fit ladies, I think you should focus on the following:

https://escortprivada.com/escort/patricia-de-sa/

https://www.apartadox.com/acompanhan...cia-de-sa-8064

Here is the translated local review of Patricia de Sa:

"Good afternoon, Confrades.

Below is Patrícia's technical data sheet.

Nationality: Portuguese.

Photos: Fidedignas.

Height: 1. 72 m well measured.

Hair: Brown.

Weight: 61 kg very heavy.

Skin: Brunette.

Body: It is skinny with the kindness of the very present youth.

Breast: Natural, small and firm.

Vagina: Good, tight.

Tail: Medium, round and firm.

Oral: 11/10.

Vaginal: 6/10.

Anal: -/10.

Kiss: Kiss well.

Attitude: Very polite, friendly and a little introverted at first.

Hygiene: I didn't see her do it, but it was fragrant.

Place of service: Motel.

Repetition: I will repeat.

Conclusion:

The communication and appointment with the GP was all made by Whats App, always friendly and accessible to answer all questions.

It comes to the moment of the meeting and a girl dressed discreetly appears, and after some conversation the memory is delivered and the clash begins.

It complies with what is agreed, does the best oral to the natural ever, something worthy of seventh art. Eyes in eyes, an impressive cadence, quite frilly and forced against the throat, with the right to muscle reflex in the throat, red eyes with tears and my hands never got out of bed. Really impressive. The vaginal is reasonable but it is already at a cost because the heating was magnificent.

The GP is very polite and seems to like what she does a lot.

I will repeat it again because this oral is an impressive thing. ".

If Black or dark-skinned is not a must, the overall highest-rated young lady at EP is Vivian Miler. Some white girls know how to fuck, too.

https://escortprivada.com/escort/viviane-miler/

Flora Neves once once one of the highest-rated EP ladies who has now gone independent. She probably comes closest to meeting your young and dark-skinned requirements.

https://www.apartadox.com/acompanhan...ora-neves-5484

Here is the translated version of the review that Flora just received a couple of days ago on the local board.

" Technical Sheet:

Name: Flora Neves.

Contact: WhatsApp.

Nationality: Portuguese.

Age: Declares 19, but recently made 20.

Height: Checks 1. 75, with Air Jordan sneakers.

Weight: I don't know if you get the 56 kg declared, because you must have a lot of difficulty getting fat.

Skin: Very clear, very soft, without any tattoo or piercing, according to photo shoot.

Hair: A voluminous and wild mane of wavy hair at the root and curly at the tips, of the most natural dark brown impossible. Beautiful!

Face: Very beautiful. Almost beautiful, girl's face, Betty Boop's small mouth, teeth corrected by braces, all in place and without caries, round chin on a face without angles, right forehead with soft widow's beak. The nose was operated on very recently, because the speto should be quite nodous and prominent. A simplistic and uncriteria intervention, which always leads to a strange result. To turn the tip over, a depression is deliberately provoked that, because it is too concave, gives an air of drawing animating to the set, creating the optical illusion of a face that is too small, looking like the head is also diminished in relation to the rest of the body. No traces of makeup.

Eyes: Large, circular, dark brown, penetrating (sometimes threatening, sometimes insecure), thick over-eyes.

Chest: The best pair of natural breasts in all of great Lisbon, (attention, I've never been with XXX). I'm sure that's what captived each of the confreres as soon as they saw the photos and it's the truth! Visually perfect, irreproachable texture, soft and soft, round and pingy at the same time, tender but dense. The arrogance of youth does not wear a bra! When I praised them, he told me that they were not that perfect, because they had a few stretch marks on their side! Forgive me, sir! Who doesn't know what he's talking about! The nipples are reactive, to the touch and the sucks, as well as when you finally start to feel some sexual pleasure.

Vagina: It's huge! If he were a man, he would undoubtedly be very well endowed. The labia minora are larger than most of the big lips of the rest of the vaginas. It's really greluda, they look like cabbage leaves with textured and dark skin. It's not pink.

Tail: Perfect, with some stretch marks on the wide hip, it is not upturned in the back. She has a model body, she knows that, but she doesn't give it any value. The belly is smooth, with the pronounced belly of a fertile woman. The shoulders straight and wide and the neck long and slender.

Legs: very long and thin, never finish again. Sometimes I didn't know where to put them, but that's what made all the TD funny. The feet are big, more than 40 for sure. They do it together with the rest. I literally ate all that, I tasted each of the digits and inter digits. She was distressed, moved, smiled, said no but yes. It was great. The hands are beautiful with long fingers, the manicure is there because it became a GP, because otherwise it didn't exist.

Felatio: The reason why it certainly became a GP. It's very easy and comfortable with the penis. He likes to move it, suck it and lick it. She's very young, I don't believe she's had much experience with her boyfriends of her age, so she's not very virtuous, she has no restrictions. It's lovely to see her work. From time to time, in a fleeting way, it penetrates the look with those big eyes, more to see if we are almost bursting, than for something else. She herself takes the initiative for the CIM, which does it in a natural way. I suspect that in real life she swallows without contemplation. She doesn't do it here, because some professional warned her not to do it, so she's going on the race. Brush your teeth and lie down next to me again and ask if everything is okay. If I liked it: -"you need to please the man!

Conilligus: When I saw her squatting, with her legs ajar, and the clit hanging. I thought to myself: -"you have to go there with your mouth!" I waited for her to do her oral patiently. Then I told her that "now" it would be my turn, she was a little surprised. I don't think it comes from a world where men make women with their mouths. I sat her on the bed, with me on my knees on the floor, I dived my head! It smells so good that I felt vertigo, clitoris and flats passed my thin tongue, which entered the most I could vulva inside (I don't always do it, but everything has such a new look, that I completely lost the inhibitions). Honestly, I liked it more than her, she didn't do shipping, she also waited patiently for me to satisfy myself, but it's more vaginal than clitoral.

Vaginal: it's tight, it's a 20-year-old girl. She herself says that we should try several positions. I start in Cowgirl standart, not knowing where to put those long legs, she is not a Brazilian, hardworking but without great rhythm, she immediately pulled my hands to the breasts. There was no elastic for the hair, the melenas got out of control everywhere. We went to the missionary, where he started to warm up more, eyes in the eyes, I accelerated until I started to blur the look and abandon himself with my face on its side. She avoided the pleasure and asked for the dog herself two times, the 2 in bed and with me standing, she doesn't like it as much as the conch with me grabbing her breasts full again, it warmed up again. He didn't reach orgasm, he says he needs "love" for this to happen. I'll try to love her forever!

Anal: When I was in the dog, I still stammered that I was going quickly to the ATM to withdraw the amount necessary to pay the extra. She looked back and smiled yellow. When I got dressed, I asked directly if I was doing anal. Negative, avoiding the look. As in the minete, I couldn't help it, I think my tongue was longer in pink bud than in sole.

Kiss: Speaking of sole, he entered, 2 kisses still warning the attendant who was arriving. First time in bed, he grabbed my cheeks to make a little mouth and chipped a small and warm tongue, but never used it again. Kiss well but only with your lips all the time. He never turned his face to the side.

Attitude: Alpha Gamer, boy, bomber jacket, cargo pants, left school to come to the hotel. Talkative, uninhibited, confident without knowing how wonderful it is. Stry and determined. He likes to lead the action and is rapid and distant when he needs to be, less often loving.

Hygiene: I think the odorous problem so talked about is psychosomatic, reflective of some nervousness and inner insecurity. It's your natural perfume. It never smelled me bad, it even smelled me too good! He took a negligent shower at first just to respect the employer's indications, brushed his teeth after the CIM.

Location: Hotel Travel.

Time control: More than agreed.

Payment: he fixed the rest of the things he left on the table when he left.

Summary.

The Unicorn of the GP! Beautiful. High. Skinny. Sculpture bust. All natural: hair, tits, body. Sily skin without tattoos. Portuguese, under 25 years old. It hasn't been a mother yet. No whims, natural oral CIM. Good head, good conversation. Detached and efficient.

It's a 10 (ten) because I love women! -1 for the lie of the full ad=9 (nine).

This TD is part of a set that was drafted by various vicissitudes. Although it was done before, it is being published after the exit of the GP of the EP.

It seems that it went well, he even took the name with her. I've already been to see the discriminated on eurogirlsescort: 160/ hour, keep the small talk that does anal (I didn't have the right), I asked for a quote by WhatsApp, it only confirms on the spot. It also says it lets you film! Flora! If you ever read this, I don't advise you!

The Former Agency increased to 200/ hour, as we all already know. If you maintain the quality of the service and the price, it is better to appoint confreres! Because your schedule will be full for years! Don't treat this retaining angel badly!

Unfortunately, like a lot of places in the Western World, there is a lack of genuine 18-year olds in the current industry. A great number of the highest-rated ladies are in their 30's.

If you can go a few years older, this relatively darker-skinned independent gets excellent reviews here on ISG and on the local board, where she is one of the absolute favorites. Relatively speaking, she is not that old (in her twenties).

https://www.apartadox.com/acompanhan...ler-rocha-4428

And of course, Rebeca Diniz is the highest-rated lady on the local board, with my review of her on ISG, but is closer to thirty than Eller Rocha might be. But Rebeca is very nice looking and slim.

https://www.apartadox.com/acompanhan...eca-diniz-6364

[XXL]

Can anyone provide any information on these ebony girls, or suggest where I might find information. - Cheers Mick.

Yara Cohen, 28, Brazilian.

https://www.apartadox.com/en/luxury-...ara-cohen-4950

...

Yara Cohen strung me along and made me waste a whole day.

[SteelBaton]

Photos if this jogs anyone's memory.

Thank you again for any help. I haven't contributed here, but have a decade of posts in the Asia forums. And, I WILL report back!

I mean they wouldn’t put up fake photos would they? Never happens.

[SteelBaton]

Can anyone provide any information on these ebony girls, or suggest where I might find information. - Cheers Mick.

Yara Cohen, 28, Brazilian.

https://www.apartadox.com/en/luxury-...ara-cohen-4950

Rafaela 18 A*.

https://escortprivada.com/escort/rafaela-ouro/

Telma Vaz (also advertise as duo with another black girl), 19 A*.

https://www.eurogirlsescort.com/esco...2/?list=q93xbd

Beatriz Fernandes 18.

https://www.apartadox.com/acompanhan...fernandes-8391

Photos if this jogs anyone's memory.

Thank you again for any help. I haven't contributed here, but have a decade of posts in the Asia forums. And, I WILL report back!

[SteelBaton]

What are peoples experiences with the few Cape Verde girls on the escort sites? I have a growing love for the darker skin. But, know nothing about the general personality of Cape Verde women. Are they scammers or girls with good hearts? Any particular recommendations would be appreciated via PM or post.

Cheers. Mick.

Can anyone provide any information on these ebony girls, or suggest where I might find information. - Cheers Mick.

Yara Cohen, 28, Brazilian.

https://www.apartadox.com/en/luxury-...ara-cohen-4950

Rafaela 18 A*.

https://escortprivada.com/escort/rafaela-ouro/

Telma Vaz (also advertise as duo with another black girl), 19 A*.

https://www.eurogirlsescort.com/esco...2/?list=q93xbd

Beatriz Fernandes 18.

https://www.apartadox.com/acompanhan...fernandes-8391

[SteelBaton]

What are peoples experiences with the few Cape Verde girls on the escort sites? I have a growing love for the darker skin. But, know nothing about the general personality of Cape Verde women. Are they scammers or girls with good hearts? Any particular recommendations would be appreciated via PM or post.

Cheers. Mick.

[Harry1217]

Absolutely, it now brings Madrid and Barcelona into play a lot more for some of us. There are arguably hotter girls in Spain doing outcall for 200/ HR (and a bigger selection to choose from). There are also several places in Madrid and Barcelona doing incall for 100-120/ HR.

Whilst I can understand the need to increase prices, I don't buy the argument that inflation and cost of living meant a need to increase prices to 200/ HR. They have increased to that level because they believe there is sufficient demand from customers to warrant it. That's their business decision, but as tourists we obviously have other avenues.

I agree with the other posters, that 200 E / HR would make Lisbon less attractive compared to Barcelona and Madrid.

[Austin28]

Escort Privada is an outcall agency. All their roster is outcall; they charge a standardized rate; and have their own website.

Apartadox is an escort advertising site, not an agency. EP advertises their entire roster on Apartadox, but Apartadox has many, many more ladies advertising with them than just EP. Their clients represent a mix of incall and outcall or both, and operate in many Portuguese cities that EP does not. They also do their own photos, and because EP always runs ads on Apartadox, all of EP's photoshoots are done by Apartadox.

EP hiked their rate to 200/ HR on January 1st, which really just brings it into line with what most of the primarily incall ladies were asking for to do an outcall. It's not that escorts generally cost 200/ HR in Lisbon; incall with a photo-verified lady runs 120-150/ HR. IMO, it makes outcall generally non-competitive, but I'm fine with 150 for incall.

It remains to be seen if and to what level the independent outcall girls will raise their rates to. Most of them are ex-EP girls, so I think it unlikely they will remain below the EP rate, even though they keep the entire fee (as independents; EP takes a cut of the action). Unlikely, but they would be wise to settle at 170 or 180 -- a sweet spot for them would be more than incall, but less than EP. But that sort of business sense escapes a lot of people, not just working girls..

Thank you for the detailed response. Really helpful.

[ExExpatriate]

Escort Privada is an outcall agency. All their roster is outcall; they charge a standardized rate; and have their own website.

Apartadox is an escort advertising site, not an agency. EP advertises their entire roster on Apartadox, but Apartadox has many, many more ladies advertising with them than just EP. Their clients represent a mix of incall and outcall or both, and operate in many Portuguese cities that EP does not. They also do their own photos, and because EP always runs ads on Apartadox, all of EP's photoshoots are done by Apartadox.

EP hiked their rate to 200/ HR on January 1st, which really just brings it into line with what most of the primarily incall ladies were asking for to do an outcall. It's not that escorts generally cost 200/ HR in Lisbon; incall with a photo-verified lady runs 120-150/ HR. IMO, it makes outcall generally non-competitive, but I'm fine with 150 for incall.

It remains to be seen if and to what level the independent outcall girls will raise their rates to. Most of them are ex-EP girls, so I think it unlikely they will remain below the EP rate, even though they keep the entire fee (as independents; EP takes a cut of the action). Unlikely, but they would be wise to settle at 170 or 180 -- a sweet spot for them would be more than incall, but less than EP. But that sort of business sense escapes a lot of people, not just working girls.

I don't have a lot of experience with Spain, and none post-pandemic, but when I was there what I discovered was that Lisbon and Porto were either equal to or just a little cheaper for ladies of the same quality. And a quick check I just did (hardly conclusive, but still) suggests that is still true.

What's the difference if the same girl list on both EP and ApartadoX?

Is ApartadoX more like incalls and EP purely outcalls?

If both are outcalls, then will there be difference in rates?

I agree with the other posters, that 200 E / HR would make Lisbon less attractive compared to Barcelona and Madrid.

[Mongerer88]

What's the difference if the same girl list on both EP and ApartadoX?

Is ApartadoX more like incalls and EP purely outcalls?

If both are outcalls, then will there be difference in rates?

I agree with the other posters, that 200 E / HR would make Lisbon less attractive compared to Barcelona and Madrid.

There isn't any difference at all.

EP and its ladies are outcall only.

EP has its own website featuring all of the ladies, and individual ads are taken out for the escorts on Apartadox and other sites like HappyEscorts.

When a lady first works with EP, an Apartadox ad almost always immediately appears.

Later in her career, the escort's Apartadox ad is more likely to appear when she is planning to regularly be on the schedule. Presumably this is because, according to what various EP escorts have told customers, is that once she is more established, she pays for a larger share of her Apartadox ad.

Inflation is a way of life in this business in recent years in all markets, especially in Europe and North America. Sex workers have inflation in their lives, including their work costs.

It will be great for customers if the Lisbon independents, particularly the younger ones, don't continue to increase their prices. But I am doubtful of that.

EP's base price has not increased since the group was formed around a decade ago.

My income has gone up since then, and my daily living costs sure have, too.

We all want the lowest prices, with the same looks and service level, but that isn't realistic. The best sex workers do this activity because they can earn mire money and have more flexibility than what are often called "civilian" jobs. The pay and flexibility for those alternative jobs has increased, which is the biggest driver of sex work inflation.

[Austin28]

What's the difference if the same girl list on both EP and ApartadoX?

Is ApartadoX more like incalls and EP purely outcalls?

If both are outcalls, then will there be difference in rates?

I agree with the other posters, that 200 E / HR would make Lisbon less attractive compared to Barcelona and Madrid.

[Harry1217]

Well, what an increase by EP! 33% in one whack is not to be sniffed at. Basically at 200/ HR it means that people who may have preferred Portugal to other countries, may now opt to visit other countries more.

As mentioned in the comments below, there are excellent incall providers at 100-120 / HR and that is still a competitive rate compared to other european countries. So if you don't have a great preference for outcall, it perhaps doesn't change things that much given the number of EP ladies is relatively small in comparison to the total number of girls working in Lisbon. Lets just hope the EP move doesn't trigger price rises across the board, including incalls!!

I very much prefer outcalls in a nice hotel room, rather than an incall in perhaps not the most luxurious of surroundings. It completely changes the ambience of a meeting, but that's just my personal preference.

I also generally liked EP for a number of reasons which we touched upon before.

Paying an extra 50/ HR is no issue for me, and well within my affordability. So I certainly won't stop visiting Lisbon but my plan to go 3 or 4 times this year may now be just once or twice, because 200/ HR just changes the mindset even if you can afford it. Who doesn't like to feel they are getting a good deal?! The fact that I like Lisbon as a city does help. I also like to view things positively and it'll force me to explore other countries! (though I'm sure I won't stray too far and will probably stick to Iberia).

[ExExpatriate]

I don't recall anyone who is working specifically in Barrio Alto or an immediately adjacent neighborhood at this time, so nothing in walking distance. I'd be interested to know if anyone remembers someone who is in that area. The nearest I recollect from inquiries is over in Graca, and if you are going that far you may as well Uber / Bolt / Metro over to where most of the action is: the zone between Marques de Pombal and Entrecampos.

In terms of spas, there are three that reliably offer massage with FS: L'Essence, Nuru and Klass. Their combined roster is pretty long. If I remember correctly, Dara and Carolina at L'Essence were reviewed locally and got good marks. I don't remember about any of the girls at Klass or Nuru, due to issues with having to identify them from various ads. It is sometimes confusing.

If you are thinking of a nuru massage with HJ ending or similar, I recommend two independents over going to any spa.

https://www.somassagens.com/massagis...sensual-lisboa

https://www.somassagens.com/massagis...sensual-lisboa

Hey all! In Lisbon for a week in the Barrio Alto (area. Any recommendations on a good massage parlor that you can also get an he? Thanks!