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01-15-24 20:32 #4406
Posts: 38"Dating" in Kenya (& more)
A first timer to Africa, I traveled to Nairobi in early January 2024 for 10 days. It wasn't a pure mongering trip, but in this post I will focus on just that. Many things written in this forum are true, so I will just add a few personal observations.
CLUBS: Nairobi Street Kitchen is full on Thursdays. Alchemist seems quiet on weekdays and busy on weekends. Generally, nightlife in Westlands seems to start at midnight. During the week, one needs to know which clubs are "hot", especially Monday to Wednesday.
STRIPCLUB: Liddos was closed (temporarily, it seems). Standing in the street and trying to figure out what to do next, I ran into the only Kenyan guy that did not want something from me. He mentioned "207 Lounge" and walked away. I was quoted at the door 1 HR 4 k KSH incl. Room, 12 HR takeout 10 k KSH. Not cheap, but 50% of the girls were young and hot. Small, friendly and "cozy" place with a massive outdoor area with separated, open tents to sit in. Didn't see a foreigner there.
APPS: Girls on apps are young, horny, and abundant. Many are blessed with bodies that Western women couldn't achieve even if they worked out 5 days a week. As a rule of thumb, Tinder is more for paid hook-ups whereas Bumble is more for girls with "normal jobs". As the latter doesn't mean much in Kenya, realistically, the differences are minimal. The "programmer" you match with on Bumble may be really able to code, or just "plans" to be a programmer "next year". In general, if you want "normal" dating (I. E. , without pre-arranged service agreements), be prepared to be taken advantage of. Not always, but sometimes. Which brings me to the next point:
CULTURE: Kenyans are open and friendly, however, the amount of time and effort they are willing to invest just to get a few bucks out of you is simply mind-boggling. Guys on the streets will walk with you for hours and tell you the nicest stories about orphanages, schools etc. Just to get something out of you, even if it's just a few hundred shilling. Girls, especially the "regular" girls with "jobs", will spend entire afternoons and evenings with you for a a few drinks, or a dinner. If you're strictly after sex, it makes more sense to go for the semi-pro's with the pre-arranged "taxi money". If you want the thrill of "regular dating", be prepared to be astonished by the level of work Kenyan girls put in for a little bit of attention and a hot dish. Without guaranteed sex. As most Kenyan women, pro or non-pro, generally enjoy jokes and appreciate a healthy amount of dirty smalltalk, I suggest to do just that before the date in a relaxed & playful manner and filter out the ones that are not responsive (BTW this strategy works in the West too, although you must be more careful and less direct).
CONCLUSION: After a self-imposed 2-year hiatus from dating in order to free up energy to work on myself, I enjoyed Kenya a lot. The feeling of dating a hot 20-something that can hold a conversation (yes, they exist), and has a good sense of humor, meant a lot to me. Nevertheless, "regular" dating in Kenya means there's a chance you run into girls that will take you for a ride without putting out. In Europe, I have a three-date rule, in Kenya that's down to two dates, and I almost believe that's still one date too much. Kenya's economy and demographics means that there's not too much of a difference both in looks and brains between semi-pro's and "regular girls". They all need to make a living. And that's the true value that Kenya holds for men: There's an abundance of women everywhere. Whatever you do, you will get laid by a hot 20-something that loves having sex.
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01-13-24 00:08 #4405
Posts: 554Originally Posted by Neddy69 [View Original Post]
RG.
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01-11-24 04:54 #4404
Posts: 1490Good case study.
Originally Posted by Rwenotmen [View Original Post]
Mwalimu.
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01-10-24 13:32 #4403
Posts: 98It just that, An Illusion
Originally Posted by RadicalGuy [View Original Post]
Although I certainly already knew this by heart, I just got hard reminded of it during my recent trip: meet a "college" (in Kenya, colleges are for those who can't afford or don't have the grades for university) Kenchic via Tinder, who was more alluring than sexy based on her pics & vids from her profile. Still, ended up hooking up with her, in person she was really a hot number, slim but fully sexy in the way she dressed, and better au naturel perfect t&a. Was a sweet spinner in the sack, and has good head game. We quickly established a girl friendly experience (GFE), she INITIALLY seems eager just to have someone (foreign) to hang with during Christmas holidays, at a fancy apt complex with pool, chill common areas, gameroom, etc. I was glad to have the company. And the sex. No money was ever negotiated but of course it was free food, wine, transport, some phone credit, traveling, entertainment to her. All on my expense.
It lasted about 10 days--the illusion turned to reality when she realized she wasn't getting direct cash, so she started holding back on 'services'. The final straw for both of us is when she went to bed with her clothes on, and woke up playing with her phone rather than with me. I concluded the illusion by telling her, that same morning, that I was totally busy that day so she had to go home. I never said we would meet again, nor did I even give her fare to go home. We haven't texted since. That was the end of that.
Still, Fun while it lasted.
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01-06-24 18:00 #4402
Posts: 324Imo
Originally Posted by BPalacio [View Original Post]
I want to spend some time near Thika near Kenyatta University but I can't give first person advise about that area north of Nairobi. My neighbor is young and he reported that they "more that one has ripped my clothes off me. ".
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01-06-24 17:41 #4401
Posts: 324Never Pay Up Front
Originally Posted by Leblon [View Original Post]
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01-05-24 22:27 #4400
Posts: 72Reading comprehension difficulties
Originally Posted by Muzungufotsy [View Original Post]
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01-05-24 08:28 #4399
Posts: 543Originally Posted by BPalacio [View Original Post]
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01-05-24 08:06 #4398
Posts: 72Thank you and Mpesa question
Thank you to everyone who took time to answer my newbie questions. I do appreciate it.
I ideally would like to net non-pros, but I honestly am more comfortable being upfront with expected services and what she can be expected to be paid for those services. I understand that's not very organic and might even be a bit off-putting, but it sounds like that's the safest way to approach mongering in Kenya. It's also how I approached mongering in Thailand, so it's the method with which I am most comfortable.
I am not the best at small talk and playing the flirting game. I also wouldn't have much time for my trip, especially factoring in the time I can expect to be jetlagged, so I think being upfront with these women that I'm looking to pay for play is best.
I also have read through this thread quite a bit and I definitely know to keep my guard up. I know mongering in Africa will be quite different from Thailand, so I hope I keep my resolve when I land!
Just a quick question about Mpesa: do girls prefer Mpesa or cash? Can you fund your Mpesa wallet with cash? I will be carrying quite a bit with me and usually in Thailand I just exchange my USD. I have heard that Mpesa is widely used everywhere and it's much more convenient, so I am open to just using my cash to fund my Mpesa wallet instead of exchanging it for KSH. That is if the women there prefer this and if it's widely accepted elsewhere (restaurants, shopping centers, etc).
*Additional question: I know it was suggested that I stay in one location if I only had a week, but I am interested in hearing more about the pros and cons of Nairobi vs Mombasa. From my understanding, Nairobi will be more expensive but offers better lodging, food options, and maybe more selection in terms of women? From what I've read in the Mombasa thread, it sounds like Mombasa is cheaper, slower and more relaxing, but it seems like the lodging options aren't as nice and maybe the selection of women isn't as vast as Nairobi?
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01-05-24 02:27 #4397
Posts: 481Originally Posted by Slowalk [View Original Post]
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12-29-23 18:39 #4396
Posts: 324NonPro
Originally Posted by Mombie75 [View Original Post]
When you deal with non pros, I never mention money. I just send it to her what I want and she's wet.
I should point out that if you’re young and attractive, you’re her dream and you pay nothing. If you’re older, sophisticated and attractive, it’s up to you but if you’re old, fat and don’t make an effort to look presentable, you are not what she’s looking for and she wants much more. Stands to reason.
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12-28-23 21:40 #4395
Posts: 37A week in Nairobi, reported
All the girls I met with are Tinder girls. I spoke to them for a few days before I arrived.
Out of a week I met with 8 girls.
I didn't even pay them one shill, it's very easy to bring a girl home if you're a foreign guy, and a young man.
Yes I paid for their transport and meals.
It is important to talk to them a few days before arrival and try to connect, some will ask for money and some will not, and some will try to raise money from you and do it smoothly with some excuse like "my cellphone is lost, we can't talk at all" she probably expects you to buy a new cellphone.
The local women in Kenya love sex, they know the job.
I was amazed at the amount of girls who want to meet, it didn't happen to me in my country, I would give you an example, I had at least 4 girls who wanted to meet in the evening and I had to choose one of them, it was hard, and I was sorry I only came for a week.
Good apps:
Bolt- a very cheap taxi app in Nairobi.
Safaricom.
Get ready to get glances for a few seconds from people in the street.
Children on the street may have to contact you with the goal of asking for money and will not leave you.
Keep your cellphone close to you!
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12-28-23 05:55 #4394
Posts: 550Originally Posted by Slowalk [View Original Post]
They all steal, very true. They all expect more and more until you are mean for not giving them what they want.
Lie, lie, lie it really is comical at times. They can't help it.
Good point, if they bring a friend they are not into you or they would not risk that friend stealing you. I.
The only bit I don't agree with. Money.
I like agree up front as I don't want drama afterwards, if you give them 5 k they may then argue for 10 k, Now it is a pain and a hassle to get rid of them in such secenario.
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12-27-23 23:52 #4393
Posts: 324My Two Cents
If you're coming from the Americas for just one week, I would stick to one location. You'll be jet lagged the entire trip and spend too much time on the move.
Nairobi is high altitude and cool, especially at night. I hang in Westlands when I go to Nairobi. Mombasa is hot and humid. Also, although Mombasa is a city, people refer to the entire coast as "Mombasa". I moved from Western highlands and living in Malindi for now.
Whatever platform you use to get a room, to be safe, book for two. Only the higher end hotels will require her to have an ID. Most wont care.
Set up Wise and WorldRemit (as a backup) before you travel then go straight to Safaricom and set up mPesa mobile money upon arrival. The convenience, exchange rates and safety for accessing funds is a huge factor why I live in Kenya.
Lessons I have to continually learn the hard way:
1) Don't be generous. It works the opposite of what you intend it to and will harm you rather than help you. They expect more once you show generosity. Seriously, it's like feeding dangerous wildlife. They all eventually steal.
2) They all lie for no reason even if the truth is to their benefit.
3) It's actually harder to rid yourself of her than it is to find her and she's very easy to find. Dont talk money. She wont talk money but know that she absolutely wants money and its why she’s with you. But, if she wants to invite a friend, nothing good will come of it. Assume she's not into you and you're a game to her.
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12-27-23 23:14 #4392
Posts: 554Originally Posted by BPalacio [View Original Post]
RG.