Nairobi

[BPalacio]

Book the airbnb for two people. Gate security have a log book to keep a check on who comes and goes. Sometimes a girl will not have her ID on her, then you just give the security a few $, the majority will let them in.

Check with hotel before booking.

Thank you. It does sound like the protocol or more or less like Thailand then regarding signing in guests.

Don't do this.

No offense to Brother Mombie! I honor & respect his contributions.

The reason why not is following.

I've not been to Pattaya, Thailand, other Asian countries (except China) so maybe we're missing some nuance of what you're asking.

Sorry for long write-up but I seem to use these Abbs more than most here, so I got the direct experiences to describe, at least for Kenya.

All 'homestays', Airbnb is no different, are by definition 'girl-friendly' and visitor-friendly-- you DON'T need permission to invite whomever you wish to 'visit' you. Not from the Host, not from the guards, not from anyone. Don't even mention or ask Hosts about such visitations.

Yes there are rules about no parties and too many guests actually staying in the unit. But your 'visitors' are presumed your business.

What you may be worried about is the security factor and how that will affect having visitors. In my experience, the most-secure apartment buildings in Kenya DO want you to formally register your visitors -- but only after a certain hour, usually at 'sunset' 7 pm and later. During the daytime, they almost never ask who's with you. In both cases, you can bring as many as you like. At the last place I stayed, I overheard one guard joke about how I had so many visitors (he meant ladies) come thru in just one day. He didn't say anything directly to me, as that could have jeopardized his job if I complained to the supervisor.

And there's never a charge or fee for registering or the number of visitors. I recommend never stay at such a place if they ask for money for these, even if it's just guards trying to squeeze some extra cash out of you.

Registering your visitors is a security measure that protects you, the visitors, and more importantly--the guards: if any drama or violence happens, they know who you are, as an official Guest or Resident, and who are the visitors. The guards are paid to keep the peace for Residents and Guests, NOT for visitors.

Do tell the ladies in-advance they should bring their ID - even if not needed. But it's not always needed, at some places as they will take her phone number, and some other details, and register her that way. At least that's what happened at the last place I stayed.

One big way this protects you is if the girl tries to squeeze you for more money, or starts to act-out in order to embarrass you or cause trouble. Because YOU are the official guest, immediately go the guards and ask them to boot that banshee off the premises. They will do that without question. Although they might expect a bit of a 'tip', LOL.

I've also found that girls who normally would act like this typically do not want to go to such buildings, because they know they can't pull their bullshit or drama. If some Kenchic gives you excuses why she won't visit your place once you've told her where it is, take that as dodging a bullet and drop her.

An extra benefit: for those Kenchics who are serious about safety, they actually PREFER such buildings because they assume YOU won't be a criminal or killer endangering them. So I would advise to actively tell the ladies about where you stay, so they will feel safer.

Lastly, MOST Homestays do NOT register visitors, even places that have formal-looking security guards. So if you do stay at a place like that, then you'll be even freer to bring whomever you like, how many you like, at any times. Of course, these places may not be as safer as the securer homestays.

Thank you for taking the time to share your knowledge on the matter. I really appreciate it.

I am glad to hear that it's not necessary to alert the AirBnB host about my mongering intentions. I just get quite anxious because it understandably can be an awkward conversation, especially if the host doesn't allow it.

I also appreciate you pointing out the benefits of having a girl leave her ID with security. It never really occured to me that it'd assuage any security concerns she may have as well. Mongering in Thailand you kind of get used to the level of safety and just the expectation that girls will behave, so though you always have to have your visitors check in their IDs, the idea that it protects you and her sometimes I forget. Reading through some of the reports in this thread, I (please correct me if this is wrong or unfair) have seen that Kenyan women sometimes can bring quite a bit of trouble and perhaps are not as safe-easygoing guests as Thai women.

I will be sure to remind all my potential guests that they must bring their IDs. On the off chance that I do need security to handle an unruly guest, would it be wise to slip them some KSH even before the event? Like, slipping them the 5 $USD equivalent in KSH when I first check in just to build a rapport and get in their good graces so if things do get chaotic, they'll already be inclined to help me out?

[Rwenotmen]

Book the airbnb for two people.

Don't do this.

No offense to Brother Mombie! I honor & respect his contributions.

The reason why not is following.

Was just wondering what the protocol would be, specifically if mongering is accepted by most hotels and airbnbs in Nairobi or if I should contact the airbnb / hotel to ask if they allow girls to come up?

Are you saying that as long as there's an entrance with security, girls will probably be allowed to come up if they leave their ID, similar to how it is in Pattaya? I am ok with giving security a few KSH for their troubles too if that helps. I just worry that the host would not accept this and cause trouble for me.

I've not been to Pattaya, Thailand, other Asian countries (except China) so maybe we're missing some nuance of what you're asking.

Sorry for long write-up but I seem to use these Abbs more than most here, so I got the direct experiences to describe, at least for Kenya.

All 'homestays', Airbnb is no different, are by definition 'girl-friendly' and visitor-friendly-- you DON'T need permission to invite whomever you wish to 'visit' you. Not from the Host, not from the guards, not from anyone. Don't even mention or ask Hosts about such visitations.

Yes there are rules about no parties and too many guests actually staying in the unit. But your 'visitors' are presumed your business.

What you may be worried about is the security factor and how that will affect having visitors. In my experience, the most-secure apartment buildings in Kenya DO want you to formally register your visitors -- but only after a certain hour, usually at 'sunset' 7 pm and later. During the daytime, they almost never ask who's with you. In both cases, you can bring as many as you like. At the last place I stayed, I overheard one guard joke about how I had so many visitors (he meant ladies) come thru in just one day. He didn't say anything directly to me, as that could have jeopardized his job if I complained to the supervisor.

And there's never a charge or fee for registering or the number of visitors. I recommend never stay at such a place if they ask for money for these, even if it's just guards trying to squeeze some extra cash out of you.

Registering your visitors is a security measure that protects you, the visitors, and more importantly--the guards: if any drama or violence happens, they know who you are, as an official Guest or Resident, and who are the visitors. The guards are paid to keep the peace for Residents and Guests, NOT for visitors.

Do tell the ladies in-advance they should bring their ID - even if not needed. But it's not always needed, at some places as they will take her phone number, and some other details, and register her that way. At least that's what happened at the last place I stayed.

One big way this protects you is if the girl tries to squeeze you for more money, or starts to act-out in order to embarrass you or cause trouble. Because YOU are the official guest, immediately go the guards and ask them to boot that banshee off the premises. They will do that without question. Although they might expect a bit of a 'tip', LOL.

I've also found that girls who normally would act like this typically do not want to go to such buildings, because they know they can't pull their bullshit or drama. If some Kenchic gives you excuses why she won't visit your place once you've told her where it is, take that as dodging a bullet and drop her.

An extra benefit: for those Kenchics who are serious about safety, they actually PREFER such buildings because they assume YOU won't be a criminal or killer endangering them. So I would advise to actively tell the ladies about where you stay, so they will feel safer.

Lastly, MOST Homestays do NOT register visitors, even places that have formal-looking security guards. So if you do stay at a place like that, then you'll be even freer to bring whomever you like, how many you like, at any times. Of course, these places may not be as safer as the securer homestays.

[Mombie75]

My apologies, I meant generally as I do not have a specific AirBnB in mind. Was just wondering what the protocol would be, specifically if mongering is accepted by most hotels and airbnbs in Nairobi or if I should contact the airbnb / hotel to ask if they allow girls to come up?

Are you saying that as long as there's an entrance with security, girls will probably be allowed to come up if they leave their ID, similar to how it is in Pattaya? I am ok with giving security a few KSH for their troubles too if that helps. I just worry that the host would not accept this and cause trouble for me.

Book the airbnb for two people. Gate security have a log book to keep a check on who comes and goes. Sometimes a girl will not have her ID on her, then you just give the security a few $, the majority will let them in.

Check with hotel before booking.

[BPalacio]

I take it that the Airbnb has an entrance gate with security on it? If so, it is likely they will want to see ID. If no ID a small payment is usually accepted.

My apologies, I meant generally as I do not have a specific AirBnB in mind. Was just wondering what the protocol would be, specifically if mongering is accepted by most hotels and airbnbs in Nairobi or if I should contact the airbnb / hotel to ask if they allow girls to come up?

Are you saying that as long as there's an entrance with security, girls will probably be allowed to come up if they leave their ID, similar to how it is in Pattaya? I am ok with giving security a few KSH for their troubles too if that helps. I just worry that the host would not accept this and cause trouble for me.

[World Jockey]

I know it's probably not comparable to Pattaya, but are most airbnbs and hotels in Nairobi alright with allowing girls up to your room? Should I ask if the Airbnb host / hotel allows girls to join you? Are there places where you can just have the girl leave their ID at security / front desk and come up?

I was suggested W Place apartments as a good girl friendly option. Any other suggestions?

I like the W place. They will check ID, a pic of ID or just pay the guard off.

Aside from that many places with a guard will check ID.

Recently there have been some women brutally murdered so by men at airbnbs so there may be more scrutiny.

[Mombie75]

I know it's probably not comparable to Pattaya, but are most airbnbs and hotels in Nairobi alright with allowing girls up to your room? Should I ask if the Airbnb host / hotel allows girls to join you? Are there places where you can just have the girl leave their ID at security / front desk and come up?

I was suggested W Place apartments as a good girl friendly option. Any other suggestions?

I take it that the Airbnb has an entrance gate with security on it? If so, it is likely they will want to see ID. If no ID a small payment is usually accepted.

[BPalacio]

I know it's probably not comparable to Pattaya, but are most airbnbs and hotels in Nairobi alright with allowing girls up to your room? Should I ask if the Airbnb host / hotel allows girls to join you? Are there places where you can just have the girl leave their ID at security / front desk and come up?

I was suggested W Place apartments as a good girl friendly option. Any other suggestions?

[SeanBenz]

SeanBenz -.

Thanks for your reply.

Sounds like the TD / FTC PReP is the one to go with; yes?

But there risks associated with it, notably kidney issues.

I'm 55 which puts me over the 50 age its mentioned.

Also where do you get it?

Could order online but a lot less comfortable ordering that than I might Viagra from an Indian pharmacy!

Chris.

https://www.purchase-prep.com/ (they get some of their supplies from India, it's legit look around).

I have gotten mine from that website twice with no issues.

But since I am in the UK I have also gotten it free on the national health care service, they were hesitant since I am not gay but acquiesced when I told them I was going to Africa to see old girlfriends lols.

And one time I got it in Bkk at a red cross can't remember the exact location it was before the pandemic when I was there so a while now.

It's best to talk / attend a sexual health clinic, yes your are right kidney function and liver function tests will need to be done to see if your baseline is the desired range. At sexual health clinics they do this for everyone regardless of age.

They also need to check if you have hep be because taking and stopping it when you have that is not advisable.

You can do all the test in Kenya it's probably cheaper but get your prep e online. Although given sub Saharan Africa's hiv rates you could probably get some in Nairobi as well.

[Mahku]

Hi all. The girls that came to my room, all from Tinder, were allowed in for free after registration at the front desk. Sometimes they didn't even bother with the registration, especially if it was earlier in the evening. My booking was for 2 people anyway. And it may help that I'm VIP status in Radisson Rewards, equivalent to the former Platinum status. But I have a feeling it's the same for everybody.

The hotel is in a great location. Short ride to Westlands. The tollway entrance is fairly close, so rides to and from the airport don't take long.

The Arboretum, a tree park that appears to be a former colonial estate, is a great place for a run or a power walk, especially in the cool Nairobi climate. The area is secure and quiet, but not far from action. The bar, restaurant, and pool here seem to attract groups or pairs of probably upper middle class office girl / student types.

[Chris Bigdog]

Its best to do the daily one. Research of prep in CIS / heterosexual males is not the greatest. There simply aren't enough studies (opinion) or at least they are not as visible or well reported as those done on gay men, trans and women.

There are whispers that event based can be done by straight men who are insertive partners, but they seem to be just whispers. (https://i-base.info/guides/prep/on-demand). The rational for that seem to be since gay insertive partners can use event based by extension straight men can also do the same with the vag.

I am a big fan of prep, just personally I just do the daily one for the 3 or 4 weeks I monger internationally. 7 days before possible exposure and 7 days after possible exposure. No problem.

SeanBenz -.

Thanks for your reply.

Sounds like the TD / FTC PReP is the one to go with; yes?

But there risks associated with it, notably kidney issues.

I'm 55 which puts me over the 50 age its mentioned.

Also where do you get it?

Could order online but a lot less comfortable ordering that than I might Viagra from an Indian pharmacy!

Chris.

[Senser]

Where are these two places. Anymore info?

Thanks.

Feel free to look them up in Google Maps, there are plenty of pics and reviews. NSH is open during the day and you can check out the numerous restaurants. Thursday is Latino night on the second floor, which becomes a dance floor. I ubered my way there straight to the entrance, just type in the name and the driver will know. Nairobi Street Kitchen is in Westlands, 207 Lounge Bar is on Amboseli Lane, a bit hidden away besides the street. The owners have another lounge bar, which also starts with "2". Unfortunately I have forgotten the name and haven't been there. Anyone visiting 257, please leave a review here. It was my first and only time to a hooker-bar, I can't provide comparisons to Sabina Joy etc.

[SeanBenz]

I prefer sex without a condom (obviously) and the CDC says that the pills reduce the chance of getting HIV by 99%.

While not 100%; that's pretty good.

Need a prescription etc in US; and intermittent users can follow a 2-1-1 schedule.

It is also known as "intermittent," "non-daily," "event-driven," or "off-label" PrEP use.

The type of "on-demand" PrEP that has been studied is the "2-1-1" schedule. This means taking 2 pills 2-24 hours before sex, 1 pill 24 hours after the first dose, and 1 pill 24 hours after the second dose.

There is scientific evidence that the "2-1-1" schedule provides effective protection for gay and bisexual men* when having anal sex without a condom.

We don't know how "on-demand" PrEP works for heterosexual men and women, people who inject drugs, and transgender persons.

The are some side effects of course but seem to be tolerated pretty well.

So does anyone know if you can get them there?

Been to a Kenya a few times and met 'nice' - ok smart women who wanted to get a rapid HIV test together.

This is great but not for a quick pickup.

Thoughts?

Its best to do the daily one. Research of prep in CIS / heterosexual males is not the greatest. There simply aren't enough studies (opinion) or at least they are not as visible or well reported as those done on gay men, trans and women.

There are whispers that event based can be done by straight men who are insertive partners, but they seem to be just whispers. (https://i-base.info/guides/prep/on-demand). The rational for that seem to be since gay insertive partners can use event based by extension straight men can also do the same with the vag.

I am a big fan of prep, just personally I just do the daily one for the 3 or 4 weeks I monger internationally. 7 days before possible exposure and 7 days after possible exposure. No problem.

[Chris Bigdog]

I prefer sex without a condom (obviously) and the CDC says that the pills reduce the chance of getting HIV by 99%.

While not 100%; that's pretty good.

Need a prescription etc in US; and intermittent users can follow a 2-1-1 schedule.

It is also known as "intermittent," "non-daily," "event-driven," or "off-label" PrEP use.

The type of "on-demand" PrEP that has been studied is the "2-1-1" schedule. This means taking 2 pills 2-24 hours before sex, 1 pill 24 hours after the first dose, and 1 pill 24 hours after the second dose.

There is scientific evidence that the "2-1-1" schedule provides effective protection for gay and bisexual men* when having anal sex without a condom.

We don't know how "on-demand" PrEP works for heterosexual men and women, people who inject drugs, and transgender persons.

The are some side effects of course but seem to be tolerated pretty well.

So does anyone know if you can get them there?

Been to a Kenya a few times and met 'nice' - ok smart women who wanted to get a rapid HIV test together.

This is great but not for a quick pickup.

Thoughts?

[Mombie75]

A first timer to Africa, I traveled to Nairobi in early January 2024 for 10 days. It wasn't a pure mongering trip, but in this post I will focus on just that. Many things written in this forum are true, so I will just add a few personal observations.

CLUBS: Nairobi Street Kitchen is full on Thursdays.

"207 Lounge" I was quoted at the door 1 HR 4 k KSH incl. Room, 12 HR takeout 10 k KSH. Not cheap, but 50% of the girls were young and hot. Small, friendly and "cozy" place with a massive outdoor area with separated, open tents to sit in.

Where are these two places. Anymore info?

Thanks.

[Senser]

A first timer to Africa, I traveled to Nairobi in early January 2024 for 10 days. It wasn't a pure mongering trip, but in this post I will focus on just that. Many things written in this forum are true, so I will just add a few personal observations.

CLUBS: Nairobi Street Kitchen is full on Thursdays. Alchemist seems quiet on weekdays and busy on weekends. Generally, nightlife in Westlands seems to start at midnight. During the week, one needs to know which clubs are "hot", especially Monday to Wednesday.

STRIPCLUB: Liddos was closed (temporarily, it seems). Standing in the street and trying to figure out what to do next, I ran into the only Kenyan guy that did not want something from me. He mentioned "207 Lounge" and walked away. I was quoted at the door 1 HR 4 k KSH incl. Room, 12 HR takeout 10 k KSH. Not cheap, but 50% of the girls were young and hot. Small, friendly and "cozy" place with a massive outdoor area with separated, open tents to sit in. Didn't see a foreigner there.

APPS: Girls on apps are young, horny, and abundant. Many are blessed with bodies that Western women couldn't achieve even if they worked out 5 days a week. As a rule of thumb, Tinder is more for paid hook-ups whereas Bumble is more for girls with "normal jobs". As the latter doesn't mean much in Kenya, realistically, the differences are minimal. The "programmer" you match with on Bumble may be really able to code, or just "plans" to be a programmer "next year". In general, if you want "normal" dating (I. E. , without pre-arranged service agreements), be prepared to be taken advantage of. Not always, but sometimes. Which brings me to the next point:

CULTURE: Kenyans are open and friendly, however, the amount of time and effort they are willing to invest just to get a few bucks out of you is simply mind-boggling. Guys on the streets will walk with you for hours and tell you the nicest stories about orphanages, schools etc. Just to get something out of you, even if it's just a few hundred shilling. Girls, especially the "regular" girls with "jobs", will spend entire afternoons and evenings with you for a a few drinks, or a dinner. If you're strictly after sex, it makes more sense to go for the semi-pro's with the pre-arranged "taxi money". If you want the thrill of "regular dating", be prepared to be astonished by the level of work Kenyan girls put in for a little bit of attention and a hot dish. Without guaranteed sex. As most Kenyan women, pro or non-pro, generally enjoy jokes and appreciate a healthy amount of dirty smalltalk, I suggest to do just that before the date in a relaxed & playful manner and filter out the ones that are not responsive (BTW this strategy works in the West too, although you must be more careful and less direct).

CONCLUSION: After a self-imposed 2-year hiatus from dating in order to free up energy to work on myself, I enjoyed Kenya a lot. The feeling of dating a hot 20-something that can hold a conversation (yes, they exist), and has a good sense of humor, meant a lot to me. Nevertheless, "regular" dating in Kenya means there's a chance you run into girls that will take you for a ride without putting out. In Europe, I have a three-date rule, in Kenya that's down to two dates, and I almost believe that's still one date too much. Kenya's economy and demographics means that there's not too much of a difference both in looks and brains between semi-pro's and "regular girls". They all need to make a living. And that's the true value that Kenya holds for men: There's an abundance of women everywhere. Whatever you do, you will get laid by a hot 20-something that loves having sex.