Phnom Penh

[Nyezhov]

If you think you look better than others by paying double or more than what the local guys pay, then that's up to you. I rather pay a fee closer to what locals pay and save my money. What is the point of paying for expensive flights and then end up paying what you pay in Europe? Western Europe that is. It makes no sense at all.

Its also seems like PP barscene is not that popular and still they are having a high pricing strategy. Not enough people comes but yes, lets keep the prices high for the few that does come.

Nobody knows what I pay except me and the girl. Personally, in the interaction between male and female for purchasing pussy, I find it distasteful to nickel and dime over a few dollars because I think the locals payless. I don't think it's good for the interaction between the parties when it all starts off with the dude telling the girl sweetie you're not worth the extra five bucks.

And folks wonder why gentleman from India are looked down upon by the bar girls in Bangkok. I'm sure the cheap Charlie's get some eye rolls in Phnom too.

P.S. in my social circle, girls in Europe aren't $50. If you're really interested in cheap fun, try Gary Indiana.

[KrumeLurer]

If you're worrying over $20 perhaps you should give up hookers and try masturbation.

If you think you look better than others by paying double or more than what the local guys pay, then that's up to you. I rather pay a fee closer to what locals pay and save my money. What is the point of paying for expensive flights and then end up paying what you pay in Europe? Western Europe that is. It makes no sense at all.

Its also seems like PP barscene is not that popular and still they are having a high pricing strategy. Not enough people comes but yes, lets keep the prices high for the few that does come.

[Betong]

. . . the infamous Cyrcee's Secret Bar on 130

Just to clarify, the place on 130 was the second and final location of Cyrcee. The French-Algerian guy sold it and it has reopened under the new owner, a Khmer I think. New name, which I don't remember. Only has a few girls at present. "Sona Secret Horny Bar", which occupies the original location of Cyrcee on St. 49, has a bigger and better selection. But forget the rooms upstairs. Unless they were holding out on me there's no bed, just a really uncomfortable little wooden sofa. Better to walk over to Happiness GH, the place they normally use, and pay a few bucks for a decent room.

[Nyezhov]

How about a little moon rock on a nice Peppina pizza from BKK with some magic mushrooms thrown on top? That should make you very happy!

Pizza Pala Romana at Asoke MRT.

[Bigstud]

Not when you are from the States mate, hell I've put decarbed Moon Rocks on pizza like oregano, yum nomnom.

Now if the pizza was good, and the weed was better than mountain ditchweed, that would be one thing.

Did ya ever watch villagers smoke weed? They chop up ditchweed with tobacco into a fine powder and then rip it from Bamboo bongs. Its horrible just to think of.

How about a little moon rock on a nice Peppina pizza from BKK with some magic mushrooms thrown on top? That should make you very happy!

[Nyezhov]

Excellent report and you have convinced me to at least spend a few days there in addition to Thailand just for a change in scenery. You mentioned using a short time hotel for one of your sessions. Was there any reason why you didn't use your own hotel this time? What was the rate for that short time room?

Thats sort of like going from an FKK to a Nigerian Chicken shack for a change of scene.

You want a change of scene from Thaialnd? Not enough monegring cities there?

[WintersLight]

Excellent report and you have convinced me to at least spend a few days there in addition to Thailand just for a change in scenery. You mentioned using a short time hotel for one of your sessions. Was there any reason why you didn't use your own hotel this time? What was the rate for that short time room?

Thanks for reminder about room cost, I forgot to mention that. It was $8 USD or the equivalent in Cambodian riel for 1 HR'ish (they didn't really give a time limit, we were in there about 75 mins without any call or hassle).

Reason for it is pretty uncomplicated but silly: I had already brought two different women back over three nights to my hotel, so just didn't want to bother this time, and also it was a little earlier in the evening, when the cute hotel desk girl on the day-shift was still working, LOL. Once the night shift guy started at 10 pm, I didn't care what he thought. (Seriously, these idiot things actually went through my head). Also wanted to try the short-time hotel experience out, and since it wasn't that terrible I did it the next night too. And, finally, my hotel was about a 7-10 min tuk-tuk ride away, but the short-term hotel was just a block.

Thanks for the kind words about the report! Like I noted, BKK has the prettier girls for sure, and the most variety of ways to hook up with them, but PP has more girls that are still all-natural in terms of no plastic surgery, and it was just a lot more fun to be with them, even if they were probably more 7's than 9's or 10's. Less plastic both in appearance and attitude, I guess, just a chiller vibe for me anyway. And you're not wading through a huge scrum of other dudes to find them, like in BKK.

[Exoticspirit]

Since we went to their short-time hotel, the sessions were each a little over one hour, as none of us really wanted to hang out there after the business was done. You could also take them to your hotel, if you'd prefer.

Excellent report and you have convinced me to at least spend a few days there in addition to Thailand just for a change in scenery. You mentioned using a short time hotel for one of your sessions. Was there any reason why you didn't use your own hotel this time? What was the rate for that short time room?

[SouthEaster]

You are right about 50 dollars being expensive for Cambodia. Unfortunately it seems to be the going rate. Yes some will go for less but there is a lot of pressure from other girls in the bar and other bars to not drop the price. Add in the barfine and lady drinks and it is BS but the market has been boosted to this level and it is not easy to dodge, especially if you are only staying a few days or a week.

The guy below who paid a 15 dollar barfine and another 50 bucks for a girl that contacted him is a good example of how to save some dough if you try a bit. First off, tell her to come over the following day before work (no barfine) and offer 30 bucks instead of 50. Half price session and everybody wins. Would she have taken the offer? Who knows, probably a 50/50 chance but well worth a try. Some expats with a lot of time do this, but they have the luxury of. Time.

[Nyezhov]

When reading here and hearing on youtube about PP barscene I hear that ST is 50 US dollars + 15 US dollars for the barfine. It seems like alot for Cambodia and what the average monthly salary is there. Is it really true? Or is it just that the women try 50 dollars but will accept 30 if you insist on paying 30? 30 dollars is 10% of an average monthly salary in PP.

https://checkinprice.com/average-and...penh-cambodia/

It does not seem to me that with so many girls sitting around that it should be hard to find any girl that is ok with 30 us dollars. It just seems very very strange that you should be turned down by an average looking girl (6/10) for 30 dollars in a country with little customers and low wages. Accroding to what I hear the local cambodian guys pays around 20 dollars.

Or is this reports about some guy wanting a really good looking girl and getting a price of 50 dollars for ST? Sure of she is 8+ then she will proberbly ask more.

If you're worrying over $20 perhaps you should give up hookers and try masturbation.

[WintersLight]

When reading here and hearing on youtube about PP barscene I hear that ST is 50 US dollars + 15 US dollars for the barfine. It seems like alot for Cambodia and what the average monthly salary is there. Is it really true? Or is it just that the women try 50 dollars but will accept 30 if you insist on paying 30? 30 dollars is 10% of an average monthly salary in PP.

https://checkinprice.com/average-and...penh-cambodia/

It does not seem to me that with so many girls sitting around that it should be hard to find any girl that is ok with 30 us dollars. It just seems very very strange that you should be turned down by an average looking girl (6/10) for 30 dollars in a country with little customers and low wages. Accroding to what I hear the local cambodian guys pays around 20 dollars.

Or is this reports about some guy wanting a really good looking girl and getting a price of 50 dollars for ST? Sure of she is 8+ then she will proberbly ask more.

Yeah that's a good question. I didn't bother to negotiate because I thought the girls were worth it, and because I didn't want them to lose face (pride is a BIG thing in Cambodia, as it is in many Asian countries of course), especially on a first impression. But I'm sure it wouldn't hurt to counter with $40 and just see what happens. I'd probably wouldn't risk offering $30-$35, though, as those days seem to be a long time ago, and the market seems to have been really reset after COVID and after the influx of Chinese / Korean / Japanese tourists who don't mind paying whatever. Sure you'll have some old-timers on the board who'll tell us all about the times they had four girls over at once for $5 each, and they each made the guy breakfast afterwards, etc etc, but those prices might just exist in memory now.

Also, at the bars I was at, it seemed like it was actually still the mama-san who gave you the quotes both for barfines AND the ST / LT fees, instead of the girl, so in those cases it's simply a matter of the business owner setting the market price for their products (ie their girls). The mama-san isn't letting their product walk out the door for $35, that's for sure, so you would need to whisper / negotiate directly with the girl. And the girl isn't about to let her friends / coorkers know that she's only worth $35-$40 to this dude who just walked in, she's got a reputation too, LOL, so it'd have to be just between you. If you're picking up a freelancer at Pontoon or Shanghai or wherever, though, you should probably bargain; in my cases I didn't because I thought the girl was worth it, but next time I would.

I know what you mean about cost of living, but also remember that the girls working in these spots are probably blowing a lot of that money just to stay competitive in that scene: makeup, clothes, paying for that shit plastic surgeon, etc. (Especially those girls on 130/136). I don't know if you've ever browsed through the IG's of some of these bar girls (I started following a few just for fun), but they at least like to pretend they're living a Gucci life, and that costs way more than the average cost of living. There's a bunch of newish malls in PP with all the fancy brand-name stores, and those $50ST fees are probably funding some of them.

I'd imagine there are plenty of local spots that are just $20 or whatever, but you're probably getting what you pay for, and that's probably a stained mattress on the floor of some non aircon'd flophouse, with five minutes of the "old in-and-out. ' But all in all, it's a good question, and you might as well bargain for less than $50, and just go from there.

[WombatEd2]

Hi All, just returned from a work trip to Phnom Penh, Bangkok and Singapore, for about a week each. Didn't do much in Singapore due to work commitments, but did have some time in the other spots.

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Great report. Thank you.

[KrumeLurer]

When reading here and hearing on youtube about PP barscene I hear that ST is 50 US dollars + 15 US dollars for the barfine. It seems like alot for Cambodia and what the average monthly salary is there. Is it really true? Or is it just that the women try 50 dollars but will accept 30 if you insist on paying 30? 30 dollars is 10% of an average monthly salary in PP.

https://checkinprice.com/average-and...penh-cambodia/

It does not seem to me that with so many girls sitting around that it should be hard to find any girl that is ok with 30 us dollars. It just seems very very strange that you should be turned down by an average looking girl (6/10) for 30 dollars in a country with little customers and low wages. Accroding to what I hear the local cambodian guys pays around 20 dollars.

Or is this reports about some guy wanting a really good looking girl and getting a price of 50 dollars for ST? Sure of she is 8+ then she will proberbly ask more.

[Globalnomad5]

Fantastic report, thanks WintersLight.

Definitely RoD.

Hi All, just returned from a work trip to Phnom Penh, Bangkok and Singapore, for about a week each. Didn't do much in Singapore due to work commitments, but did have some time in the other spots.

[WintersLight]

Hi All, just returned from a work trip to Phnom Penh, Bangkok and Singapore, for about a week each. Didn't do much in Singapore due to work commitments, but did have some time in the other spots.

Phnom Penh: Lots of negativity towards the scene here recently, but it was my first mongering experience in SE Asia and I found it pretty easy and rewarding, actually. Maybe because I prepared by going back through this forum and kind of knew what to expect, so thanks to all the vets on here who have contributed through the months / years and really kept the board going.

Phnom Penh doesn't have the variety that Bangkok offers, in terms of where to find some action; there's none of BKK's massage parlors / nuru-gel salons that are a guarantee of sex (there are a lot of massage parlors, but most are known as rip-off spots that don't even offer FS, so I didn't bother to try). Also the online scene like FIWFANS or ThaiFriendly doesn't seem as active in PP, if it's active at all. And there isn't much in terms of freelancer street action, unlike Nana Plaza or Thermae in BKK, except a few spots on Str 51 for your trans meth-head needs, and some clubs like Pontoon, which is barely holding on. And maybe I missed a lot of these scenes, as I was only there for a week; if so let me know!

So instead what you have is bars and bargirls, scattered along a few different areas. The Riverside streets like 136 and 130 are the "busiest," at least in terms of bars and girls on the street yelling for your attention, but in early February there still wasn't much action customer-wise. For me, though, the 130/136 scene was pretty overwhelming and almost too slick; I couldn't quite tell if all the bars and clubs there were mainly of the hostess variety, where they milk you for pricy drinks, lead you on for a bit, then present you with a bill and that's it, or if there was still a lot of "take-out" available. So many of the girls there seemed way more interested in looking at their phones than in talking, leaving it to the shoutiest one among them to try to flag down customers. And even when customers went up to them, they barely acknowledged it, which was weird, because the amount of girls-to-customers was about 10-1.

I wound up just walking down 130/136 for the scene, but Streets 118 or 104 were far more mellow and laidback, with some nice-looking women who seemed more than happy to head home with you. I also checked out Str 172, which is is a bit further away, but that was extremely dead, with only a handful of bars operating, and none of the staff outside them caught my eye.

The Street 51 area is far quieter than the riverside, but rewarding for me. It was formerly best known for the Golden Sorya Mall nearby, which was a huge source of freelancers, but that's been knocked down, so just a handful of hostess bars remain, along with the Heart of Darkness and Pontoon nightclubs and, as mentioned before, a few shuffling meth-heads. I walked into the Lady Fox Bar around the corner from Shanghai Bar / Restaurant (which had some freelancers, though a bit older), as I had some some pix of their staff and was atttracted to their 'full-figured' curves, but the women there were just full-figured, not curvy, LOL. White Cobra ((or the bar at its spot) had a group of loud tattooed Chinese dudes out front, living it up and grabbing the hostess's arms; one motioned me to come over and join them for some 'boom boom! Good time!" But I just smiled and walked on, not wanting to get too involved in that.

I finally went into the bar nearby, Plan be, which according to the mama-san had just opened recently. She was super friendly and asked me to choose from a quartet of smiling women; I chose the one with the biggest smile, and within about one minute we were quickly making out, with her guiding my hand to her breasts. "She likes you!" The mama-san said. I bought a drink for the girl and for the mama-san and her friend (always make friends with the mama-san, and always look generous, at least for first impressions), and by the time I had had three sips of it the mama-san was already telling me, "She likes you! Take her short-time! She can't do Long-time, has to help her mother! She good girl!" (Aren't they all, LOL). She quickly quoted me a $15 bar fine, plus $16 for four drinks, and a $50 short-time fee for two hours for later. And in about 10 minutes after walking into the bar, afer paying $31 for the barfine and four drinks, I was out the door with the girl and heading to my hotel. She was 25, big smile, short and curvy, nice natural breasts (most of which disappeared after the push-up bra was off, alas), and super giggly and excited.

Spare you the details, but it was fun. Really into it. Not quite an amateur, but not the jaded or all-business professional you're likely to encounter. Total cost for two hours: $81 ($15 barfine, $16 drinks, $50 fee). Got her WhatsApp contact, and two nights later she reached out, asked what I was up to. I was too tired to go over to the bar, so she volunteer to just come over to the hotel if I paid her barfine later, so, well, yes, of course. We did it all again. Total cost for about 2. 5 hours: $65 ($15 barfine, $50 fee).

Another night I was walking around the city and came across the infamous Cyrcee's Secret Bar on 130 (130 further down from the Riverside, though, cross-street 49.) It was open but I didn't go in, as around the corner is what seems to be another new spot, Sona Horny Secret Bar. (Terrible name, I know). It's got a Japanese anime mural on the outside wall, a pretty friendly door-guy, and a mama-san who was even friendlier. She dragged me into the bar at around 7 pm, with about 7-8 girls and exactly zero customers. Some 'roommates' originally from Kampot sat down next to me and, after some hellos, started making out with me even before the drinks were ordered. One was 32 (I learned this later), the other 27, both thin, all-natural bodies and faces, pretty cute. Again, I bought them both a drink, along with the mama-san, and within five minutes I was out the door with the 32-year-old. Barfine also $15, drinks about the same, and girl fee was also $50. They've got a relatively decent short-time hotel two blocks away, so we went there for fun. Next night I was back for the 27-year-old. (They were offering doubles, but I'm too old and was way too tired for that). Since we went to their short-time hotel, the sessions were each a little over one hour, as none of us really wanted to hang out there after the business was done. You could also take them to your hotel, if you'd prefer.

Sona Horny seems new (mama-san said it was a month or so old, but who knows), with a 'secret upstairs' for more fun. Other women working weren't the most eye-catching, but they all seemed, uh, friendly. Before 8 pm you might have the place to yourself; after my fun with the ladies, I walked them back to the bar (always a gentleman, LOL), and noticed it was a little more hopping.

Finally, I stopped into Pontoon a couple of nights to check it out. First night it was full of steroid bench bro's acting wired, men over 74, and a small handful of women, plus music so loud you could hear your teeth rattling, so I left after about 10 minutes. Second night they offered a free drink, and while I was sipping it I caught the eye of a woman, normally dressed, eyeing me up. She came over to me and started talking / flirting, and at first, as naive as I am, I thought Oh wow, I'm going to pick this normal lady up. She was mid-30's (35, I found out later), elegant more fine-boned classic features, but dressed in a "regular," non-slutty outfit of jeans and t-shirt. Then, of course, "I like you, but could you pay for me to come back with you?" Anyway, I still brought her back to the hotel. Total cost: $55. No barfine, no drinks. (At Pontoon the ladies drink for free on non-weekend nights). She stayed for about two hours, we had a good time.

Overall: none of the four women I hooked up with were clock-watchers, all-business, or impatient. They were all surprisingly kind, super easy-going, and friendly from the start. I think it helps if you go into the situations with a smile and a friendly, open attitude. "You have good heart," "I like you; You so nice," is what I heard a lot of. "Some guys rude, too rough. " Of course, that's maybe kind of like when people describe unattractive women as "having a nice personality," LOL, but I'll still take it. (Full confession: I'm late 40's, Caucasian, normal height and size, so not extra-large or even super-buff, which from what I hear kind of scares some of them off). It doesn't seem like most of the women there are hardcore professionals (though probably on Streets 130/136 they may be, since it's where everyone goes), so it makes sense they're more open with guys that don't have attitudes and aren't total dicks, as that kind of drama is just not worth it for them.

Also: be generous, especially for first impressions. Check the cost of course, but buy the girl and the mamasan a drink without whining about it. It'll pay off later; barfines of $10-$15 might be more like $25-$30 if you're being a dick. When you leave the bar, the girls will probably have a tuk-tuk driver nearby they'll want to use, and it'll be way more than what a Grab or PassApp tuk-tuk will be. But just let them do it, as it's probably someone they trust to look out for them, and even a tuk-tuk charge that's twice the amount means its just $2 USD instead of $1 USD. Also, learning to say even Hello, and goodbye and thank you in Khmer will get you a lot of smiles, whether with the bar girls, the tuk-tuk drivers, the hotel staff, or whoever. Maybe they're laughing at you, who cares, but it does break the ice and they appreciate it.

Finally, as always, when they ask you when you arrived / when you're leaving, it's always good to say I've been here for a week or more, so they don't think you're a total newbie, and I'll be staying for a couple of weeks, so they'll want to make sure to treat you well enough, for some repeat business later.

Sorry for long report, just wanted to add to the forum and give a snapshot of the scene in 2024. I'll post my Bangkok experiences in that forum later on. Might actually return to PP for work in the summer, so if anyone has any tips / suggestions on those riverside bars along 130/136, places that aren't just hostess bars, that'd be great.