American Politics

[EihTooms]

Perhaps not an actual specific "economic" achievement per se, I don't need to tell you to imagine the horrendous "economic" costs of medical health care, when it's out of pocket for Americans, caught without coverage.

Agreed! Yes, I too also think, more work needs to be done to make ACA more affordable for middle to high income families. But broadly speaking, ACA has made health care more available and more inclusive for more Americans than ever, in history.

Too steal and plagiarize an MLK/Obama quote:

• "The arc of truly affordable heath care for ALL Americans maybe (Repub obstructed unnecessarily) long, but I'm hopeful it bends towards "universal health care" or "Medicare for all."

• Just like much of the rest of the civilized world, as you've nicely stated.

Joe Lieberman, the same Independent / Third Party / No Labels screw-up who is working mightily to help Donald Trump retake the White House so he can produce another 4-year shitstorm of historic crap Repub Economic and National Security policies and stewardship results, along with virtually every admitted Repub in Congress was the reason the Affordable Care Act healthcare reform wasn't many, many times better and cheaper than it is.

The New Republic: It Was Lieberman All Along.
Oct. 28, 2009

https://www.npr.org/templates/story/...ryId=114233563

The eternal lesson being, if you want a better Economy, better National Security, better Border Control, Lower Inflation, more and better jobs created, higher wages, more affordable and better Healthcare, lower debt and deficits, greater Stock Market gains and any other significant improvements in the lives of Americans, you do not, repeat, do not vote for Repubs, Third Party candidates or refuse to vote at all. No, you vote Democrat all the way down the ballot every time, no exceptions. And do your best to convince everyone you know to do the same.

America must have a Dem in the White House, at least 235 Dems in the House and at least 5 more Dems than required to constitute a Super Majority in the Senate if the country is going to deliver great things for our taxpayer dollar. It is as simple as that. Even 1 decisive non Dem in the House or Senate and most definitely any Repub in the White House is enough to put the entire country and much of the rest of the world in serious danger.

I wish it weren't so. But the data and evidence supporting that conclusion is overwhelming and inarguable now.

[Xpartan]

The day before Putin's unprovoked invasion of Ukraine, as the biased press loves to call it, Zelensky stood up and announced he would seek to rearm Ukraine with nuclear weapons pointed at Russia. Putin mentioned in a speech to the people on February 23rd that night that Ukraine announced it would rearm with nuclear weapons as one of the reasons to justify entering the Donbas.

Lie #1: Russia attacked Ukraine because Ukraine threatened Russia with nuclear rearmament.

Here is the full Zelensky's speech on Feb 23, one day before the invasion. Where is the bit about "nuclear rearmament"?

https://foreignpolicy.com/2022/02/23...plea-for-peace

Did you mean another speech? Or did you just pull this shit out of your ass? Link please.

Even if this speech had happened, whatever Zelensky might've said on Feb 23, couldn't have meant anything. The Russian troops had already been positioned for the invasion. The USA Intelligence knew that the invasion was imminent months before it happened. This claim of yours is insane.

Lie #2: Ukraine's hostility against the Crimea and Donbass separatists provoked Putin. shut off water to Crimea, launched bombers into the Dombass, coddled neonazis, and none other than Kamala Harris spoke of Ukraine joining NATO.

Repeat after me: Crimea and Donbass belong to Ukraine. Do you understand this. Ukraine. Mexico is not allowed to be "provoked" into war if some shit happens in Texas. Germany is not allowed to be provoked into war if some shit happens in Czechia. What the hell is wrong with you?

Lie 3: Then we hear of all these weird biolabs in Ukraine getting funded by the Pentagon and Victoria Nuland worrying they might fall into Russian hands, https://greenwald.substack.com/p/vic...has-biological.

Yeah, then you hear, don't you?

How the false Russian biolab story came to circulate among the USA Far right.

https://www.npr.org/2022/03/25/10879...russia-ukraine

Theory About USA -Funded Bioweapons Labs in Ukraine Is Unfounded.

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/03/11/u...formation.html

Finally:

Senator Rubio Questions Undersecretary Nuland Over Biolabs in Ukraine
During her testimony in front of the Senate Foreign Relations committee about the Russian invasion of Ukraine, Undersecretary of State for Political Affairs Victoria Nuland answers a question from Sen. Marco Rubio (R-FL) about whether or not Ukraine has chemical or biological weapons. She replies, "Ukraine has biological research facilities, which, in fact, we are now quite concerned...Russian forces may be seeking to gain control of." She then refutes allegations from Russia that Ukrainians are plotting to use biological weapons, and says that if such an attack happens in Ukraine, "there is no doubt in my mind" it would be caused by Russian forces.

https://www.c-span.org/video/?c50055...iolabs-ukraine

[QUOTE]Lie #4 = Lies 1-3 combined: So putting nuclear and potentially bioweapons on another nation's doorstep is not provocation unless it is the USA and Cuba. Then it is provocation, but when it is Ukraine and Russia, it is not. Got it. [ / QUOTE]Do you get it? You sure? Well, I'm glad.

Truth #1: Yeah, I cannot believe why MAGA idiots could be so dumb as to be confused by that.

Me neither. Unfortunately, this is a reality we're all forced to live in.

[Spidy]

While I agree with your praises of Biden's economic achievements, healthcare is not one of them.

Perhaps not an actual specific "economic" achievement per se, I don't need to tell you to imagine the horrendous "economic" costs of medical health care, when it's out of pocket for Americans, caught without coverage.

Yes, I can see claims of $10 coverage for 80% Americans, but I'll believe it when I see it in practice. No one who makes any kind of money beyond mere peanuts would be eligible for this kind of premiums. The policy I pay for my family members costs $ hundreds a month and has a high deductible, copayments and co-insurance. In addition, the credits for buying a policy come out of your tax deductions anyway. I'm not saying ACA isn't helpful at all, but the system is still broken and will remain broken until we join the rest of the civilized world and provide public healthcare for everyone.

Agreed! Yes, I too also think, more work needs to be done to make ACA more affordable for middle to high income families. But broadly speaking, ACA has made health care more available and more inclusive for more Americans than ever, in history.

Too steal and plagiarize an MLK/Obama quote:

• "The arc of truly affordable heath care for ALL Americans maybe (Repub obstructed unnecessarily) long, but I'm hopeful it bends towards "universal health care" or "Medicare for all."

• Just like much of the rest of the civilized world, as you've nicely stated.

[EihTooms]

It appears the central witness in Trump Attorney General Sean Hannity and ChristoFascist Mike's Impeachment case against President Hunter Biden has been busted for lying mercilessly about all the bits that so endeared him to Winger Repubs.

What will replace Impeaching President Hunter Biden as the Repub Getting Smaller and Smaller All The Time Pink Tinkle House as their top if not only priority?

Controlling the border? Nope. They are not interested.

Reducing crime? Nope. Biden has already done that.

Reducing Inflation? Nope. Biden has already done that.

Recover the economy from the most recent Great Repub Crash and Jobs Destruction? Nope. Biden has already done that.

Fund international resistance against terrorism and authoritarian dictatorship aggression for pennies on the dollar? Nope. Not interested.

Anything?

Guess they'll have to continue to live up to their well earned and well deserved Do Nothing Repub reputation.

Special counsel charges FBI informant with lying to the bureau about Hunter and Joe Biden.

https://www.cnbc.com/2024/02/15/spec...ndroidappshare

Washington An FBI confidential human source has been indicted on two counts of allegedly feeding the bureau false information about President Joe Biden and his son Hunter Biden during the 2020 presidential campaign.

Alexander Smirnov, 43, who disliked President Joe Biden, was arrested in Las Vegas after returning from a trip overseas, according to the Justice Department. The case grew out of the special counsel investigation being led by David Weiss, who is also leading the case against Hunter Biden. Weiss had been appointed by former President Donald Trump as the top federal prosecutor in Delaware.

The 37-page indictment alleges that Smirnov had been an informant for the FBI since 2010 and "provided false derogatory information to the FBI" about both Bidens after Joe Biden became a candidate for president in 2020.

Smirnov allegedly told the FBI falsely that officials with Burisma, the Ukrainian energy company that Hunter Biden worked for, had told him they hired Hunter Biden because he would "protect us, through his dad, from all kinds of problems. " Smirnov allegedly told the FBI again, falsely that Burisma officials had told him they paid Hunter Biden and Joe Biden $5 million and that it would take investigators 10 years to find the illicit payments to Joe Biden.

[Elvis 2008]

I just don't get why this is so hard for MAGA to understand and comprehend.

Russia, for whatever reasons it may have, attacked a sovereign country UNPROVOKED. And that is WRONG.

Why even spin the situation or give "reasonings" for Russia?

The sovereign nation of Ukraine was part of the old USSR and contingent on being a sovereign nation was an agreement between Russia and the West that Ukraine not possess nuclear weapons. Japan made provisions with the USA after surrendering in WW 2. If Japan violated those agreements, the USA would be justified in going to war with Japan.

https://www.armstrongeconomics.com/i...ew-with-putin/

The day before Putin's unprovoked invasion of Ukraine, as the biased press loves to call it, Zelensky stood up and announced he would seek to rearm Ukraine with nuclear weapons pointed at Russia. Putin mentioned in a speech to the people on February 23rd that night that Ukraine announced it would rearm with nuclear weapons as one of the reasons to justify entering the Donbas.

Ukraine shut off water to Crimea, launched bombers into the Dombass, coddled neonazis, and none other than Kamala Harris spoke of Ukraine joining NATO. Then we hear of all these weird biolabs in Ukraine getting funded by the Pentagon and Victoria Nuland worrying they might fall into Russian hands, https://greenwald.substack.com/p/vic...has-biological.

That's what sovereignty of a country is. They do whatever the hell they want within their borders without breaking any laws to protect their land.

So putting nuclear and potentially bioweapons on another nation's doorstep is not provocation unless it is the USA and Cuba. Then it is provocation, but when it is Ukraine and Russia, it is not. Got it. Yeah, I cannot believe why MAGA idiots could be so dumb as to be confused by that.

[Xpartan]

I just don't get why this is so hard for MAGA to understand and comprehend.

Because they don't want to understand. That would hurt for they put all their eggs into Trump's basket. There're nothing left.

Now why Trump is so enthusiastic about sucking a third-rate dictator's cock, I might have an idea.

https://foreignpolicy.com/2018/12/21/how-russian-money-helped-save-trumps-business

Putin is cashing in on his enormous investment in Trump

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0pbYSp0ROmo

"Russiagate", my ass!

[CheckMate1]

No I don't. I'm seeing a lot of Republicans backing Ukraine's heroic war effort against the Russian aggression. Probably not as much because of heroism, but because they rightly see that this is a fight the whole civilized world against modern-day barbarians.

No Elvis. The problem is you. You, trumpers, right-wingers, unscrupulous demagogues who're willing to embrace war criminals and mass murderers in a fight against your own democracy.

As for that Boris Johnson hot bullshit, I've already answered in the Ukraine thread.

I just don't get why this is so hard for MAGA to understand and comprehend.

Russia, for whatever reasons it may have, attacked a sovereign country UNPROVOKED. And that is WRONG.

Why even spin the situation or give "reasonings" for Russia?

Today, I heard Tommy Tuberville on a radio show saying that Russia attacked Ukraine because US put weapons in countries near Russia.

1st. Last I check, US does not put weapons in any countries without their permission (more like invitations because they fear Russia would do the same to them as Ukraine). That's what sovereignty of a country is. They do whatever the hell they want within their borders without breaking any laws to protect their land. Example: North and South Korea have troops within shouting distance, and yet no body invaded the other guy for 50+ years.

2nd. Why is a US Senator blaming his country for Russia attacking Ukraine, UNPROVOKED? And since he part of the government, is he blaming himself?

[Xpartan]

(...kkkk!)

Biden's Affordable Care Act (ACA) Accomplishments:
A record number 20 Million join ACA. 8 Million Americas have signed up for ACA during the Biden's term, the largest expansion of healthcare ever.
Biden's Continued Investment in ACA, has made healthcare really affordable and lowered costs
Under Biden, 80% (or 4/5) Americans can get healthcare insurance for as little as $10/month

While I agree with your praises of Biden's economic achievements, healthcare is not one of them.

Yes, I can see claims of $10 coverage for 80% Americans, but I'll believe it when I see it in practice. No one who makes any kind of money beyond mere peanuts would be eligible for this kind of premiums. The policy I pay for my family members costs $ hundreds a month and has a high deductible, copayments and co-insurance. In addition, the credits for buying a policy come out of your tax deductions anyway. I'm not saying ACA isn't helpful at all, but the system is still broken and will remain broken until we join the rest of the civilized world and provide public healthcare for everyone.

[EihTooms]

Here is your answer.

Trumps threat to NATO allies draws little condemnation from GOP, reflecting his grip on the party

It's easy. He remarked once that his disciples wouldn't care if he shot someone on Times Square (and he was right). So why would they flinch now? Their lord and savior simply can't do wrong.

Politicians are another matter. To them it's about survival, nothing more.

https://apnews.com/article/trump-nat...e0424f73d478cc

Trump, ChristoFascist Mike and their fellow classic Repubs have not only finally proven to the people of America that they are 100% in favor of Open Borders for America as witnessed by their killing the strictest, most "conservative", bi-partisan Immigration Reform bill ever handed to them, but they are also proving to the world they are 100% in favor of ENCOURAGING lawless aggressors to cross borders everywhere on the planet to "do whatever the hell they want"!

And don't think for one minute Trump's public message to Vladimir Putin regarding invading any NATO member country he damn well pleases with his full and dutiful consent does not include the NATO country member known at least up to now as The United States of America.

Trump's hatred for America, democracy, national sovereignty and border security at home and abroad knows no bounds and has been revealed for all the world to see.

Dems continue to way over perform their poll numbers vs Repubs and win elections, now even when classic phony Repub outrage issues such as Immigration and Border Control are the top concerns of the electorate. And understandably so.

[Spidy]

Spidy, do you live in the USA? Or are you like Tooms lecturing us about how things are in the USA from thousands of miles away?

Elvis 2008,

In a Trumpian world, laced with right-wing toxicity, doxxing, threats of terror, harm and violence, forgive me if I answer with caution and tell you to...assume and image whatever pleases that right-winger "Trumpian" heart of yours.

But hey Elvis 2008, what I can tell you and I'll let you in on a little secret (and impart a little Jedi wisdom, from what someone once told me) ...it is THIS:

• "If you're patient enough, quiet enough, and really, really, really LISTEN carefully enough!...people will often tell you who they are, without you asking!"

Wait...just be patient, my "Trumpian" conservative padawan! (...kkkk!)

[Spidy]

What does Trump have to do with any of this? Oh right. You cannot post anything without blaming him for all the world's ills. Classic TDS.

(...kkkk!) Yeah...Dude, me using, "Trumpian" as an adjective to describe your gulag economics, should have told you all you need to know. But since you're the one bringing up Trump, for the world's ills, you maybe on to something? Stick with it, I'd love to hear more!

Truth be told, though, there are an awful lot right-wing Trump copycats, crawled out from under their rocks, as of late. Or is this just the latest crop of right-wing fascist dictators, in this era of history, to come out and inflict their brand of benevolence on the world?

Elvis 2008, when your "wanna be dictator", Trump, interjects himself, into the economic discussion, and tries to take credit for President Joe Biden's GREAT ECONOMY, perhaps you it's you suffering from TDS?

But not to worry, Elvis 2008, as President Joe Biden, has reduced the cost of SENIOR health care prescription drugs for YOU and millions of other senior Americans. In addition to a GREAT ECONOMY, Biden has improved access and reduced costs to ACA for millions of Americas, like yourself who maybe suffering from TDS? So fear not!

Biden's Affordable Care Act (ACA) Accomplishments:
• A record number 20 Million join ACA. 8 Million Americas have signed up for ACA during the Biden's term, the largest expansion of healthcare ever.
• Biden's Continued Investment in ACA, has made healthcare really affordable and lowered costs
• Under Biden, 80% (or 4/5) Americans can get healthcare insurance for as little as $10/month

Have you ever been to a country where there is zero demand for the currency? It is not pretty.

Even if I have, they still took US dollars. So what's your point? Are you suggesting that the USA, under "Trumpian" economics is going have zero demand for its currency? If so, you maybe right!

BTW, have you ever been to a country that had zero demand for it's currency, where the country has been bombed to bits, become a virtual war zone and has very little in the way of an actual economy? It is not pretty!

John Oliver had a hilarious video on Chuck E Cheese here. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3v6y2pY1pZ0. he was going to do it on home owners associations and then changed his mind saying, "If you are under 35, you will never, ever, ever be able to afford house. " which is totally true.

So yeah, if you are in the stock market or own a house, then fuck yeah, Biden has been great. The rich have gotten richer. If not, you are getting your ass kicked. Housing prices are up 45% since Biden took office.

The economy is okay. It is not great. If it were great, and I went to a popular strip club on a Saturday night, it would be loaded with men spending money versus being totally empty. Women are the ultimate luxury good.

For every GDP and unemployment number you pull out of your ass, I can show you consumer credit card debt, interest payments on federal debt, and the exploding amount of federal debt. You seem to be missing the part where having a great life while maxing out your credit cards is not going to end well.

In 1999/2000, the men were six deep in line trying to get dances from the hottest dancers in strip clubs and the talk was complete elimination of the debt. To compare those days to these is a fucking joke. If you are Tooms, it was all Clinton and the Republicans in Congress had nothing to do with those boom times.

But as usual, I see both points of view while you are the one with your head firmly up your ass.

You seem to not know anyone under the age of 35 Spidy. I guess you like your MILFs. Well, here is another video where there is discussion of the benefits of young people continue to live with their parents: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=31B6wzlzcOc.

Ah yes, that is such a sign of a strong economy.

Okay, Elvis 2008...those stories, I must say, were a lovely regalement of assortment of tales from your "Trumpian" economic crypt. Yes very entertaining, while yet, not one thing mentioned w/r to anything Repubs have done to help, said Americans.

Careful now, in addition to TDS, YOU may also suffer from CRS! (...kkkk! aka. "Chip Roy Syndrome")

Elvis 2008, just reminder, to tell those under 35 year of age that you frequently run into (as I often do), that as soon as, the Repubs get-out-the-way and stop impeding their economic success, with things like book-bans, abortion bans, student forgiveness loans and tax breaks for rich wealthy billionaires/corporate donors and bi-partisan bills that address and prevent corporate rental/housing greed from unfairly buying up huge chunks of family housing and then raising rent (and home ownership) to absurd levels of inequality for Americans seeking home ownership...the better off they'll be.

Yes, despite the efforts of Repubs to derail, thwart and impede (and often try to take credit for), the good and sometimes better than good fortunes of Americans, it is still yet a strong, vibrant and resilient Biden economy.

But I shudder to imagine, given those very same tales of supposed "Biden economic woes" you present, would have be like under a Repub "Trumpian" 2020 administration. Naturally Americas would be in:

• [Quote courtesy of EihTooms] "One of those Great Repub Depressions, Great Repub Recessions, Massive Repub Jobs Destruction and Mysterious, Mystical Great Repub 'Once in a Hundred Years' Repeatedly Wild Coincidence Repub Disasters along with the inevitable and unavoidable Recovery Inflation."

So to use your own words, w/r to if we were currently in a Repub lead economy, "It is not pretty!" nor "Would it be pretty!"

[Xpartan]

I thought by now at least one of the supposedly "pro democracy, pro America" posters here like Elvis, MDS1 and such would have expressed their outrage that one of the frontrunner candidates for POTUS from the two major political parties just recently proudly announced that, should he win the election, he fully intends to violate the USA Constitution, violate his Oath of Office, break the law and encourage his Puppet Master Putin to invade any NATO member country and "do whatever the hell" he wants.

Which, of course, is not only a violation of the USA Constitution, a violation of the Oath of Office and a crime, but it would also be one of the most disastrous economic and national security moves ever made by any leader of any country in history.

Leading to WWIII (uh, not WWII)? Very, very likely.

Now, I know it is entirely possible that those Wingers have not even heard this bit of news. After all, it happened way last Saturday and it is entirely probable the "news" sources they pay any attention to have been too busy examining just why Joe Biden said "Mexico" in his comments about an international border issue when he meant to say "Egypt"..

Here is your answer.

Trumps threat to NATO allies draws little condemnation from GOP, reflecting his grip on the party

It's easy. He remarked once that his disciples wouldn't care if he shot someone on Times Square (and he was right). So why would they flinch now? Their lord and savior simply can't do wrong.

Politicians are another matter. To them it's about survival, nothing more.

WASHINGTON (AP) Donald Trumps claim that he once told a NATO ally that he would encourage Russia to do whatever the hell they want to delinquent members of the group sent shockwaves through Europe over the weekend. But in Washington, most Republicans downplayed or defended remarks that seemed to invite Russian aggression.

https://apnews.com/article/trump-nat...e0424f73d478cc

[EihTooms]

I thought by now at least one of the supposedly "pro democracy, pro America" posters here like Elvis, MDS1 and such would have expressed their outrage that one of the frontrunner candidates for POTUS from the two major political parties just recently proudly announced that, should he win the election, he fully intends to violate the USA Constitution, violate his Oath of Office, break the law and encourage his Puppet Master Putin to invade any NATO member country and "do whatever the hell" he wants.

Which, of course, is not only a violation of the USA Constitution, a violation of the Oath of Office and a crime, but it would also be one of the most disastrous economic and national security moves ever made by any leader of any country in history.

Leading to WWIII (uh, not WWII)? Very, very likely.

Now, I know it is entirely possible that those Wingers have not even heard this bit of news. After all, it happened way last Saturday and it is entirely probable the "news" sources they pay any attention to have been too busy examining just why Joe Biden said "Mexico" in his comments about an international border issue when he meant to say "Egypt".

Still, I have managed to hear, see, read and know ALL about it even though I live far away from the USA, the place where Joe Biden lives and even the neighborhood where that particular America-hating candidate who made that campaign promise lives.

A miracle, you say? Not really. It turns out just about anyone in the world can know just about everything there is to know about issues that occur more than easy walking distance from where they reside. Really. I mean even from one USA city to another USA city. And within minutes too!

Well, actually, that has been possible pretty much ever since one dude spoke into a hand piece and said. "Mr. Watson, come here. I want to see you" and that Watson guy wasn't even in the same room!

Really. It was in all the papers.

[Xpartan]

Other part that was crazy with Putin interview is Putin confirmed something everyone who follows the Ukraine War knew: Ukraine and Russia had a peace deal and Boris Johnson destroyed it. My guess is he did so after being told to by Biden, but that is not fact.

So Putin does the interview, confirms this already known fact, but now that this fact is much more widely known, and Bojo fucking loses it. https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitic...ine-peace-deal.

In his video, this asshole Bojo does not even deny it.

Xpartan, you try to make this a red-blue conservative-liberal issue but it is not. It is neocon, pro military industrial complex people versus everyone else. Nikki Haley would be the same type of war monger Biden is.

No I don't. I'm seeing a lot of Republicans backing Ukraine's heroic war effort against the Russian aggression. Probably not as much because of heroism, but because they rightly see that this is a fight the whole civilized world against modern-day barbarians.

No Elvis. The problem is you. You, trumpers, right-wingers, unscrupulous demagogues who're willing to embrace war criminals and mass murderers in a fight against your own democracy.

As for that Boris Johnson hot bullshit, I've already answered in the Ukraine thread.

[Elvis 2008]

So forgive me if I take issue with ANY Trumpian DUMBASS BULLSHIT economics, you maybe shoveling, today, or any other day!

What does Trump have to do with any of this? Oh right. You cannot post anything without blaming him for all the world's ills. Classic TDS.

(...kkkk!) Oh please, spare me your backwater economics!

Spidy, do you live in the USA? Or are you like Tooms lecturing us about how things are in the USA from thousands of miles away?

Have you ever been to a country where there is zero demand for the currency? It is not pretty.

Ahh, last I checked, ELVIS 2008, you still hadn't simply "stuck your head out the window", and taken a good hard look, at how strong and resilient, President Joe Biden's economy has been, like I metaphorically (and somewhat perhaps literally in your case) said you should.

But instead it would seem, you still have your head up your ass. No doubt still pining, hoping and praying for a RECESSION/DEPRESSION, just like your feckless "Loud and Save-ur-Dumbass".

John Oliver had a hilarious video on Chuck E Cheese here. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3v6y2pY1pZ0. he was going to do it on home owners associations and then changed his mind saying, "If you are under 35, you will never, ever, ever be able to afford house. " which is totally true.

So yeah, if you are in the stock market or own a house, then fuck yeah, Biden has been great. The rich have gotten richer. If not, you are getting your ass kicked. Housing prices are up 45% since Biden took office.

The economy is okay. It is not great. If it were great, and I went to a popular strip club on a Saturday night, it would be loaded with men spending money versus being totally empty. Women are the ultimate luxury good.

For every GDP and unemployment number you pull out of your ass, I can show you consumer credit card debt, interest payments on federal debt, and the exploding amount of federal debt. You seem to be missing the part where having a great life while maxing out your credit cards is not going to end well.

In 1999/2000, the men were six deep in line trying to get dances from the hottest dancers in strip clubs and the talk was complete elimination of the debt. To compare those days to these is a fucking joke. If you are Tooms, it was all Clinton and the Republicans in Congress had nothing to do with those boom times.

But as usual, I see both points of view while you are the one with your head firmly up your ass.

You seem to not know anyone under the age of 35 Spidy. I guess you like your MILFs. Well, here is another video where there is discussion of the benefits of young people continue to live with their parents: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=31B6wzlzcOc.

Ah yes, that is such a sign of a strong economy.