Safe Sex and Sex Related Discussions in Thailand

[Newton York]

I have barebacked a lot of times, but most of them were not hookers.

I don't enjoy covered sex as much as bareback, but I want to enjoy sex as long and healthy as I can.

It's only a matter of 1 or 2 more decades when I will also find myself in your situation, until then, I will try and play but also be as safe as I can.

I am glad you enjoyed whenever you could back in the day, but things have changed a lot these days.

Things have definitely changed, and changed a lot. When I started in the hobby, the scariest STD, which I'll just say here has a three letter acronym, wasn't even a thing yet, goes to show how old I am. Those were the days though. But it's also about fellow hobbyists. Let's keep each other safe. The chicks are essentially products, goods for rent. And we want to take care of them for the next customer. I'd like to think of it as just courtesy. When I bang a chick, or go down on her, I'd like to think and definitely hope that she's clean.

[HorseTrader]

Doxy is a very poor protection with a 50% risk reduction, I wouldn't rely too much on it. Go PEP with Azythromycin 1000 MG with Cefixime 800 MG. And don't forget Teno-them PREP for HIV. Even if you are a Geezer protection yourself is protecting others.

I was under the impression that Doxy was better than 50% effective as PrEP, but well below 90%. With daily BBFS, I cannot use 1000 MG azithromycin or daily Cefixeme as PEP, too much antibiotic.

Schedule permitting, I'll get a last day test at the Thai Red Cross. If schedule doesn't permit, I'll be spending about $250 for an extensive at home STD test kit.

I always bring Azithromycin home, this trip I'll also bring home some cefixeme, which I have forgotten about. Good suggestion.

I’m actually not too worried about HIV. Data I’ve seen regarding female to male transmission is very low. If someone has revised data, I would appreciate seeing a link. The other thing is that HIV treatments are now highly effective, it is no longer a death sentence. My guess is that many Thai girls have HIV but it is controlled to a level where it cannot be transmitted via sex. I am aware that government medical system provides nearly free quarterly evaluations and medication for HIV patients. Again, if somebody has some scientific data to support or refute my hypotheses, I would appreciate them posting a link.

[MomoFarang]

I've been monitoring that website for a few months. At first there were only 1 or 2 girls who allowed no condom. At my last count, it was 11 of 42 girls allowing no condom. I'm old as dirt and BBFS has become the only sex where I can reliably finish. If they want my money, that's what I need.

On a side note, I've had a vasectomy so I'm not worried about pregnancy. For bacterial STDs, I use doxycycline as PrEP. I do worry about viral STDs but have been unaffected so far, perhaps post-sex washing and pissing has saved me so far. I get tested both before and after my semi-annual sexcations.

11 out of 42, so roughly 1 out of 4. Thats more or less what I get around Sukhumvit, all type of venues included. At some bars in Nana Plaza it is more like one in two. But a lot depends on the choice of venue and girl. TF has also a high proportion, possibly higher than one in two.

Doxy is a very poor protection with a 50% risk reduction, I wouldn't rely too much on it. Go PEP with Azythromycin 1000 MG with Cefixime 800 MG. And don't forget Teno-them PREP for HIV. Even if you are a Geezer protection yourself is protecting others.

[HorseTrader]

OK, everybody can relax.

Not only is the website for Butterfly Massage on Soi 24 just a short walk from Sukhumvit Road and turn left at The Bibimbab restaurant fully functioning:

Butterfly Massage

https://butterflymassage.x.2nt.com/e...dy_page-e.html

But my Boots On The Ground eye witness to the shop tonight at 8 pm confirmed it is Open and Thriving. There are tons of happy, smiling young ladies sitting outside just waiting for business.

I've been monitoring that website for a few months. At first there were only 1 or 2 girls who allowed no condom. At my last count, it was 11 of 42 girls allowing no condom. I'm old as dirt and BBFS has become the only sex where I can reliably finish. If they want my money, that's what I need.

On a side note, I've had a vasectomy so I'm not worried about pregnancy. For bacterial STDs, I use doxycycline as PrEP. I do worry about viral STDs but have been unaffected so far, perhaps post-sex washing and pissing has saved me so far. I get tested both before and after my semi-annual sexcations.

[EihTooms]

Butterfly Massage has been shut.

I saw this coming. For sure other MPs would have complained because of the pressure it put on them to offer the same services so openly and discussed in multiple forums.

I am surprised it lasted this long.

OK, everybody can relax.

Not only is the website for Butterfly Massage on Soi 24 just a short walk from Sukhumvit Road and turn left at The Bibimbab restaurant fully functioning:

Butterfly Massage

https://butterflymassage.x.2nt.com/e...dy_page-e.html

But my Boots On The Ground eye witness to the shop tonight at 8 pm confirmed it is Open and Thriving. There are tons of happy, smiling young ladies sitting outside just waiting for business.

Note to any other Massage Shop and / or similar P4P venue in Thailand; I have never seen as much worry and concern that a Sex Shop might be "closed" as I have seen on this site for Butterfly Massage. Its happy customers and potential customers really want that business to stay open, do very well and thrive.

I'm guessing that is because the enlightened, wise and up-to-date owners and management of Butterfly Massage Soi 24 have decided the most profitable, free and fair option is to allow their ladies an easy opportunity to increase their customer traffic and income by simply choosing to check and include BBFS+CIP as "No Condom OK" on their service list profile or not, it being entirely up to each lady.

Moreover, they have not required that any customer must go Bareback / BBFS+CIP with any girl there or anywhere else for any act of sex a girl there or elsewhere agrees to engage in with you. Really. Wear a condom even for DFK and a Handjob every time with every lady at that shop and elsewhere if it makes you happy.

[Zam007]

I know if that happened to me, I'd never be able to resist. It never happens to me, cause I'm a shriveled old guy with a barely functioning dick even with penis pills. All that being said, I do wonder about going bareback. I miss it. I'm so old now, what have I got to lose? I say you lucky fucks there in Bangkok now, just go crazy, and do whatever, until something really bad makes it way thru the chicks, then you can feel like you dodged a bullet. At least you're there. I'm stuck here, not knowing if I will ever be able to go to Thailand to even take such an awesome risk. Beelzebub, I'd sell my soul right now.

I have barebacked a lot of times, but most of them were not hookers.

I don't enjoy covered sex as much as bareback, but I want to enjoy sex as long and healthy as I can.

It's only a matter of 1 or 2 more decades when I will also find myself in your situation, until then, I will try and play but also be as safe as I can.

I am glad you enjoyed whenever you could back in the day, but things have changed a lot these days.

[Zam007]

My friend and myself were discussing the dangers of BBFS and that it's just a matter of time this careless habit is going to explode in the MP scene.

One person with some serious STD is going to fuck it up for the rest of us and Thai authorities are going to come hard on them.

Offering BBFS like this is going to encourage others to offer the same services and before you know it Thai authroties are going to issue a blanket ban on all these establishments for a few months.

What my friend assured me that one girl she took who was seen offering no condom services replied to him that it was just for bbj.

I don't know about the other things. If they do offer BBFS so openly, I am not goin to enter that place. These guys are going to cause some serious problems.

That said, many massage girls were sometimes so horny they tried to shove my dick in them with no condoms and it was me who resisted and put the cover back on.

Butterfly Massage has been shut.

I saw this coming. For sure other MPs would have complained because of the pressure it put on them to offer the same services so openly and discussed in multiple forums.

I am surprised it lasted this long.

[Newton York]

Bizarrely enough they don't seem to, in my limited experience. Sheer stupidity IMO, so best to keep a few packets of the morning-after pill in the house and the girl can swallow it before leaving.

I'm guessing most of those guys simply don't care. Here this week, gone next week, not their problem.

This was decades ago, but I creampied a hooker here in the shithole northeast city I'm in now, no guesses which city. But a few days later I thought to myself, what if she gets pregnant? Then weeks later, I thought, what if she is pregnant, and with my kid? Years later, I forgot that I even forgot about it. But I still think about how awesome it was to cum insider her. That's all that matters guys. Don't worry about it. Just fuck, cum, and split. That's what the money's for! I'd give anything for more cash now, just so I can spill some seed back in Bangkok.

If they don't know you're real name, you're set. NEVER tell them who you really are.

[Newton York]

My friend and myself were discussing the dangers of BBFS and that it's just a matter of time this careless habit is going to explode in the MP scene.

One person with some serious STD is going to fuck it up for the rest of us and Thai authorities are going to come hard on them.

Offering BBFS like this is going to encourage others to offer the same services and before you know it Thai authroties are going to issue a blanket ban on all these establishments for a few months.

What my friend assured me that one girl she took who was seen offering no condom services replied to him that it was just for bbj.

I don't know about the other things. If they do offer BBFS so openly, I am not goin to enter that place. These guys are going to cause some serious problems.

That said, many massage girls were sometimes so horny they tried to shove my dick in them with no condoms and it was me who resisted and put the cover back on.

I know if that happened to me, I'd never be able to resist. It never happens to me, cause I'm a shriveled old guy with a barely functioning dick even with penis pills. All that being said, I do wonder about going bareback. I miss it. I'm so old now, what have I got to lose? I say you lucky fucks there in Bangkok now, just go crazy, and do whatever, until something really bad makes it way thru the chicks, then you can feel like you dodged a bullet. At least you're there. I'm stuck here, not knowing if I will ever be able to go to Thailand to even take such an awesome risk. Beelzebub, I'd sell my soul right now.

[Newton York]

I got to say, I agree too. In my long years of being alive, condom use doesn't seem all that common to me. I'm old enough to remember the years when it was not needed at all, with any chick, pro or amateur. But those were also the days when chicks didn't shave down there. Sheesh. Man, I had some crazy times in South East Asia during the war. Nowadays, in Bangkok, I use it just cause. But I'm so old now, I wonder if I should even bother anymore and try BBFS again, I miss the feeling of going into pussy raw. When did I become such a chicken shit coward? Why am I afraid of BBFS? Not even almost, but literally every dude I've ever spoke to who hobbies on a regular basis, says when they go bareback, days and weeks later they check back in and doctor clears them of anything. It's always consequence free. I know I don't have that kind of luck, cause I'm not a lucky person, that's why if I go bareback, my dick would probably fall off the next week. Ha!

[Zam007]

I've been on this forum over a decade and this comment still managed to take my breathe away. This gentleman seriously deserves an award. Sir, I hate to break it to you: you are literally amongst the most hopelessly naive 0. 01% of the world population.

Since time immemorial the BBFS rate has probably been 20-50% without fail in Thailand and actually all SE Asia plus Korea and Japan.

I've participated in raw gangbangs in Germany and Belgium for over ten years now, some with 100 participants.

If you seriously think what you do. You need to get out there and try to get a grip on reality, People don't use condoms. Period.

What you don't really get is that men from countries with High rates of HIV infections and other STDs are increasingly finding it easy to travel to Thailand nowadays. These guys won't be able to afford to travel to Europe, which is why things are a bit better in Central and West Europe. HIV infections in East Europe on the other hand is skyrocketing along with other STDs.

I was merely typing a part of the conversation we had and you are not the only person who has smashed chicks with no protection.

The difference is that intelligent men know when and where to do these things with the right women.

Save your sarcasm for someone else, go Fuck around and find out.

[MomoFarang]

I've been on this forum over a decade and this comment still managed to take my breathe away. This gentleman seriously deserves an award. Sir, I hate to break it to you: you are literally amongst the most hopelessly naive 0. 01% of the world population.

Since time immemorial the BBFS rate has probably been 20-50% without fail in Thailand and actually all SE Asia plus Korea and Japan.

I've participated in raw gangbangs in Germany and Belgium for over ten years now, some with 100 participants.

If you seriously think what you do. You need to get out there and try to get a grip on reality, People don't use condoms. Period.

Ok, that's fine. But bareback doesn't mean that one doesn't protect himself by other means: TENO-them (PREP), Doxy (PREP and / or PEP), Cefixime + Azythromycin (PEP).

[Parasitius]

My friend and myself were discussing the dangers of BBFS and that it's just a matter of time this careless habit is going to explode in the MP scene.

I've been on this forum over a decade and this comment still managed to take my breathe away. This gentleman seriously deserves an award. Sir, I hate to break it to you: you are literally amongst the most hopelessly naive 0. 01% of the world population.

Since time immemorial the BBFS rate has probably been 20-50% without fail in Thailand and actually all SE Asia plus Korea and Japan.

I've participated in raw gangbangs in Germany and Belgium for over ten years now, some with 100 participants.

If you seriously think what you do. You need to get out there and try to get a grip on reality, People don't use condoms. Period.

[MomoFarang]

I wondered about that same thing when I first read about the "No Condom Ok" option there from other punters on this forum a few months ago. Then at least one poster here who frequented the Shop verified that it indeed means BBFS+CIP as confirmed by the mamasan there and by his personal experience with one of the girls who stipulated that service. Since then there have been other Field Reports posted in this forum that clearly stipulated that "No Condom Ok" meant BBFS+CIP on the menu of the girls booked and sessioned with.

Otherwise, if it is only referring to a BJ then that would mean fully 33+ of the girls working at Butterfly Massage require you to wear a condom for BJ unless they also include the "No Condom Ok" qualifier.

I would ask your Japanese friend if when he used to visit that shop did he ever book and session a girl who stipulated "No Condom Ok"? Up until a few months ago there were only 3-4 who did. And did the girls he booked and sessioned with who did not stipulate "No Condom Ok" really require him to wear a condom for a simple BJ, including the ones who listed "Mouth Finish" on their profile?

BTW:

ATTENTION: Some of you gents have sent me PMs asking for more information but I can't reply for whatever reason. Maybe you need to empty your mailbox.

Ok, Last week, mid afternoon.

Lined Butterfly, requested Zacha for outcall, no condom + anal. The answer came "available 4500 + 1000 + 2000".

The girl I got was quite attractive even though she didn't bear any resemblance with the one on the web site.

Great action, DT, Vaginal, Anal, CIA all BB.

I'd repeat right now if I was in still in Bangkok.

Maybe better to try, instead of pointless speculation.

[Zam007]

I wondered about that same thing when I first read about the "No Condom Ok" option there from other punters on this forum a few months ago. Then at least one poster here who frequented the Shop verified that it indeed means BBFS+CIP as confirmed by the mamasan there and by his personal experience with one of the girls who stipulated that service. Since then there have been other Field Reports posted in this forum that clearly stipulated that "No Condom Ok" meant BBFS+CIP on the menu of the girls booked and sessioned with.

Otherwise, if it is only referring to a BJ then that would mean fully 33+ of the girls working at Butterfly Massage require you to wear a condom for BJ unless they also include the "No Condom Ok" qualifier.

I would ask your Japanese friend if when he used to visit that shop did he ever book and session a girl who stipulated "No Condom Ok"? Up until a few months ago there were only 3-4 who did. And did the girls he booked and sessioned with who did not stipulate "No Condom Ok" really require him to wear a condom for a simple BJ, including the ones who listed "Mouth Finish" on their profile?

BTW:

ATTENTION: Some of you gents have sent me PMs asking for more information but I can't reply for whatever reason. Maybe you need to empty your mailbox.

My friend and myself were discussing the dangers of BBFS and that it's just a matter of time this careless habit is going to explode in the MP scene.

One person with some serious STD is going to fuck it up for the rest of us and Thai authorities are going to come hard on them.

Offering BBFS like this is going to encourage others to offer the same services and before you know it Thai authroties are going to issue a blanket ban on all these establishments for a few months.

What my friend assured me that one girl she took who was seen offering no condom services replied to him that it was just for bbj.

I don't know about the other things. If they do offer BBFS so openly, I am not goin to enter that place. These guys are going to cause some serious problems.

That said, many massage girls were sometimes so horny they tried to shove my dick in them with no condoms and it was me who resisted and put the cover back on.