Safe Sex and Sex Related Discussions in Thailand

[Explorer8939]

It seems like we can request for the HPV vaccine even if we are older than 45.

There are over 100 strains of HPV, and the HPV vaccine will prevent us from getting the cancer causing strains, assuming we don't already have the cancer causing ones.

I believe that LBM was being facetious when mentioning an HPV vaccine, and was expressing anti-vax sentiment.

Still no information about whether Gardasil-9 is available in Pattaya.

[MassageLover81]

Vaccine or not to vaccine?

Conversation pre-teen obvious many of us past our price.

Medicare age one go see doctor LBM, you get new covid vaccine. Flu shot, shingles, etc, CAN I get HPV LOL!

It seems like we can request for the HPV vaccine even if we are older than 45.

There are over 100 strains of HPV, and the HPV vaccine will prevent us from getting the cancer causing strains, assuming we don't already have the cancer causing ones.

[LittleBigMan]

Vaccine or not to vaccine?

Conversation pre-teen obvious many of us past our price.

Medicare age one go see doctor LBM, you get new covid vaccine. Flu shot, shingles, etc, CAN I get HPV LOL!

[EihTooms]

Wow congrats! That's amazing! You don't even have Herpes?

CDC said we all most likely have HPV even if we don't show symptoms. There are over 100 strains of HPV. HPV can be dormant and take 5-10 years to cause precancer and 20 years to cause cause cancer.

There is no HPV test for men.

CDC strongly recommends preteens to get HPV vaccine, so by the time they are sexually active, it will protect them from getting HPV.

I'm thinking of getting the HPV vaccine even though it doesn't seem to be recommended for people over 45 for some reason.

It's not clear to me why they don't recommend everyone to get HPV vaccine. Is it because insurance doesn't want to pay for it?

Thoughts?

Thanks!

I never thought about getting the HPV vaccine until after I moved to Thailand 12 years ago.

It was simply not on my radar as something to be concerned about. And it could have been because whatever I had read about it by then seemed to pertain mostly to young women being advised to take it.

My decision to get the 3 shot series was essentially a What The Hell, Why Not kind of thing. I was sitting in the Thai Red Cross Anonymous Clinic, waiting for the results of my HIV blood test, which I was getting done every 2-3 months just to know but mostly to have a Negative / Non-Reactive test result document in my name on hand should any of my partners want to see one, and I saw a poster on the wall saying the HPV vaccine series was available there.

So when I met with the nurse to receive my HIV test result I asked her about it:

Is there any reason I, as a (then) 62 year old man, should not take the HPV vaccine series?

No.

How much does it cost?

As I recall at that time, about 9 years ago, it cost about 2,100 baht per shot, totaling approximately 6,300 baht.

When can we start?

Right now. First shot today, next one a month or two later, next one a month or two after that.

So that's what I did. The first shot left my arm slightly sore for a few hours. No other side effects to speak of. I had health insurance at the time, but only for hospitalization, so I just paid out of pocket for each shot on the day I got it.

[MassageLover81]

I don't know if HPV can be tested for exactly or tested easily but the last time I had a complete physical exam so thorough that anything regarding HPV was brought up at all was 5 years ago. I had undergone a check everything everywhere physical exam at Bumrungrad Hospital required by my health insurer because I turned 65.

But the only thing that showed up regarding HPV, as pointed out to me by the doctor explaining every result for every test conducted, was trace evidence of me having taken the 3 step HPV vaccine regime a few years earlier. Which I had done at the Thai Red Cross near Lumpini Park.

Otherwise, nothing. No traces of it or any other STD or STI in my system. Same as every blood test for various STD / STIs I have periodically taken before or since. Which with regard to HPV is amazing even to me with all the DATY I have done over the past 50+ years.

Wow congrats! That's amazing! You don't even have Herpes?

CDC said we all most likely have HPV even if we don't show symptoms. There are over 100 strains of HPV. HPV can be dormant and take 5-10 years to cause precancer and 20 years to cause cause cancer.

There is no HPV test for men.

CDC strongly recommends preteens to get HPV vaccine, so by the time they are sexually active, it will protect them from getting HPV.

I'm thinking of getting the HPV vaccine even though it doesn't seem to be recommended for people over 45 for some reason.

It's not clear to me why they don't recommend everyone to get HPV vaccine. Is it because insurance doesn't want to pay for it?

Thoughts?

Thanks!

[HorseTrader]

I'm curious how many of you have STDs?

Back in the early 2000's I used to get several weekly BBBJs from USA street walkers and I eventually got a nasty case of gonorrhea, which I let go too long before seeking attention. Those BBBJs were mostly in my car, which had no way to clean thoroughly.

My version of safe sex isn't very safe. Just before sex I drink lots of caffeine, which makes me urinate a whole lot about an hour later. I insist on shower together before sex and I clean her down under very carefully, though this cannot happen at some massage shops. I do BBBJ and BBFSCIP almost every session. As soon as I finish, I clean thoroughly and piss (by now the caffeine has kicked in). My doctor gives me daily doxy for a skin condition and that may fend off some bacterial infections. Maybe. If I have any weird feelings downstairs, I will take 1 g of Azithromycin. That has happened to me twice over the last several years and each time the bad feelings went away withing hours; the quick response makes me think the bad feelings were from overuse, not from a bacterial infection.

I get tested at the start and finish of every Thailand trip. Sometimes I get tested in the middle of my trip. I also get tested for HIV about 3 months after returning home. Haven't yet had a positive test for anything since mid-2000's.

I'm considering using PrEP for HIV during my next trip to Thailand. I know 2 tablet varieties of this, one being about $1 per day and the other being about $75 per day. Based on published data, those of us who never receive penetration (like me) have little to worry regarding HIV.

My process has not yet received the Good Housekeeping Seal of Approval.

[Lcale1982]

I'm curious how many of you have STDs?

I've never done bareback for anything including oral and I still got Herpes!

HPV is really prevalent.

How many of you have HPV?

I don't think we can even test for HPV, but HPV can cause six types of cancer: These include anal cancer, cervical cancer, oropharyngeal cancer, penile cancer, vaginal cancer, and vulvar cancer.

Thoughts?

Hmm none that I know of but haven't taken test yet this yet my insurance sucks ass. Called my doc and says he's retired so tried to call another doc on my medical group says only can see assigned doc. So ridiculous! Change to new assigned doc says won't be active til next mo WTF! OK done venting. No real symptons but figure I'd take a test its been a while. I've BB only in the states maybe like same few gals 10+ times. Not sure what Kgirls do but they some how seem to keep clean. Only did that a few years ago when I first really started. Only do covered FS now but do get BBBJ if they over that. Guess once I get a test and results I'll give an update.

[EihTooms]

I'm curious how many of you have STDs?

I've never done bareback for anything including oral and I still got Herpes!

HPV is really prevalent.

How many of you have HPV?

I don't think we can even test for HPV, but HPV can cause six types of cancer: These include anal cancer, cervical cancer, oropharyngeal cancer, penile cancer, vaginal cancer, and vulvar cancer.

Thoughts?

I don't know if HPV can be tested for exactly or tested easily but the last time I had a complete physical exam so thorough that anything regarding HPV was brought up at all was 5 years ago. I had undergone a check everything everywhere physical exam at Bumrungrad Hospital required by my health insurer because I turned 65.

But the only thing that showed up regarding HPV, as pointed out to me by the doctor explaining every result for every test conducted, was trace evidence of me having taken the 3 step HPV vaccine regime a few years earlier. Which I had done at the Thai Red Cross near Lumpini Park.

Otherwise, nothing. No traces of it or any other STD or STI in my system. Same as every blood test for various STD / STIs I have periodically taken before or since. Which with regard to HPV is amazing even to me with all the DATY I have done over the past 50+ years.

[Explorer8939]

I'm curious how many of you have STDs?

I've never done bareback for anything including oral and I still got Herpes!

HPV is really prevalent.

How many of you have HPV?

I don't think we can even test for HPV, but HPV can cause six types of cancer: These include anal cancer, cervical cancer, oropharyngeal cancer, penile cancer, vaginal cancer, and vulvar cancer.

Thoughts?

You can get herpes from kissing. Fortunately, it can be treated, or rather the symptoms can be treated.

HPV is probably prevalent in Pattaya. There's a vaccine, but not common here.

[MassageLover81]

If a bar girl is high volume, I always use a condom. That makes it tougher to cum, but there's always BBBJCIM.

There are some non-bargirls (former bar girls) that I do BB.

Anyone who says they have done 1000's of bar girls BB and never had an STD is lying, and probably posting from their mother's basement.

I'm curious how many of you have STDs?

I've never done bareback for anything including oral and I still got Herpes!

HPV is really prevalent.

How many of you have HPV?

I don't think we can even test for HPV, but HPV can cause six types of cancer: These include anal cancer, cervical cancer, oropharyngeal cancer, penile cancer, vaginal cancer, and vulvar cancer.

Thoughts?

[Banana Boi]

Thanks Explorer for moving the conversation here.

[Explorer8939]

If a bar girl is high volume, I always use a condom. That makes it tougher to cum, but there's always BBBJCIM.

There are some non-bargirls (former bar girls) that I do BB.

Anyone who says they have done 1000's of bar girls BB and never had an STD is lying, and probably posting from their mother's basement.

[Zam007]

OK, everybody can relax.

Not only is the website for Butterfly Massage on Soi 24 just a short walk from Sukhumvit Road and turn left at The Bibimbab restaurant fully functioning:

Butterfly Massage

https://butterflymassage.x.2nt.com/e...dy_page-e.html

But my Boots On The Ground eye witness to the shop tonight at 8 pm confirmed it is Open and Thriving. There are tons of happy, smiling young ladies sitting outside just waiting for business.

Note to any other Massage Shop and / or similar P4P venue in Thailand; I have never seen as much worry and concern that a Sex Shop might be "closed" as I have seen on this site for Butterfly Massage. Its happy customers and potential customers really want that business to stay open, do very well and thrive.

I'm guessing that is because the enlightened, wise and up-to-date owners and management of Butterfly Massage Soi 24 have decided the most profitable, free and fair option is to allow their ladies an easy opportunity to increase their customer traffic and income by simply choosing to check and include BBFS+CIP as "No Condom OK" on their service list profile or not, it being entirely up to each lady.

Moreover, they have not required that any customer must go Bareback / BBFS+CIP with any girl there or anywhere else for any act of sex a girl there or elsewhere agrees to engage in with you. Really. Wear a condom even for DFK and a Handjob every time with every lady at that shop and elsewhere if it makes you happy.

Well, I could be wrong about the news that the MP is still in action, but I in the long run I will be right about the MP getting shut down for such activities because a few MPs in the past have indeed got shut down for doing this so openly. I am not going to name them.

Safe Sex Everyone.

We need to enjoy as long as we can.

[HorseTrader]

Estimated HIV risk per exposure.
May, 2020

https://www.aidsmap.com/about-hiv/es...-risk-exposure

Great link, thanks for digging it out. Those numbers are consistent with my memory of a report published a few years ago by the San Francisco Clinic.

[Werqweq]

Werqweq: "That is cited: "Receptive fellatio, no condom, viral load not known Estimates range from 0. 00% to 0. 04% (1 in 2500)". "

Sorry to post a response this way. But for some reason I could not quote your post as usual no matter how many brackets and parentheses I removed from it. A weird glitch perhaps.

Anyway, I beg to differ; imo, "Receptive Fellatio" is referring to the person "receiving" the semen, not the person delivering it.

If it is the other way around then there is no citation at all for the risk associated with receiving the cum in one's mouth but only for the one shooting it into his partner's mouth.

Which makes no sense at all.

I know we colloquially refer to it as "getting (receiving) a blowjob. " But for the purposes of a study like this they don't mean it that way.

IMHO.

I have re-read it now, and you are correct. Sorry for the mistake.