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05-03-24 23:01 #2524
Posts: 2821Originally Posted by BloodRed [View Original Post]
Ukraine was played by the west and the Euros, what a waste.
Ukraine never had a chance, they could have gotten decent deal at the beginning, but they choose to push there luck. Now they will end up with almost nothing, and if they do not surrender quickly the will lose everything. Those that are crazy enough to believe Ukraine will be able to continue with a guerrilla war are in.
In complete denial.
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05-03-24 18:46 #2523
Posts: 1345Originally Posted by Xpartan [View Original Post]
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05-03-24 07:23 #2522
Posts: 1991Originally Posted by FilthyBeaver [View Original Post]
Also, I must say I'm a little more optimistic. I don't think Putin has a chance to make such substantial territorial gains that the gorilla war will become the only option for resistance. He's bound to run out of time and man power despite the propaganda and poker face.
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05-03-24 07:22 #2521
Posts: 1345Originally Posted by FilthyBeaver [View Original Post]
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05-03-24 07:05 #2520
Posts: 1991Patience, young grasshopper
Originally Posted by BloodRed [View Original Post]
- So has Russia taken back Kyiv?
- Have they broken the siege of Leningrad?
- Have they retaken Crimea?
But oh my, what a difference a couple of years can make!
So like you said, reality will soon catch up with you, and it won't be pretty.
The Evil Empire is doomed this time, and the Ukrainians are the straw that will have broken the camel's back.
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05-03-24 00:17 #2519
Posts: 370I think I said that
Ukrainians fighting for these existence is definitely a huge plus for them. We need to be clear though. Ethnic "Russians" aren't dying enmass (unless you want to talk about the prisoners they let out to be cannon fodder). It's the tartars and other poor central Asian "Russians" that are being ground into meat. If they were plucking kids from Moscow or St Petersburg and sending them to the front, even Putin wouldn't survive the backlash.
Ukraine is outmanned for sure but the gorilla war they will rage if they lose conventionaly with send the Russians back to Moscow just like the Afghan tribes did in the 80's (with our help, BTW). They can't win over time. Putin didn't learn a damn thing.
Originally Posted by Xpartan [View Original Post]
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05-02-24 15:14 #2518
Posts: 1345Originally Posted by Xpartan [View Original Post]
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05-02-24 15:12 #2517
Posts: 1345Originally Posted by Riina [View Original Post]
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05-02-24 15:10 #2516
Posts: 1345Originally Posted by VinDici [View Original Post]
Furthermore, the collective West doesn't have the weapons in stock in the quantity that Ukraine needs.
It's over.
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04-28-24 05:29 #2515
Posts: 1991Originally Posted by FilthyBeaver [View Original Post]
Moscow's 'meat wave' tactic litters Ukraine battlefield with frozen corpses of Russian troops.
https://nypost.com/2024/01/23/news/m...ussian-troops/
'They're Just Choosing Where To Die. ' When Russia's Poorly-Trained Stormtroopers Retreat, Russian Barrier Troops Gun Them Down.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidax...h=1bf7852375a0
At some point though, sheepish as they are, Russian grunts will have enough and embark on slitting the throats of their officers and deserting en mass. That's how the Russian Civil War came around -- the one that claimed at least 10 million lives.
And mass desertions, by the way, have already started.
Russian Military Hit by Mass Desertions.
https://www.newsweek.com/russia-ukra...ctions-1881268
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04-27-24 22:16 #2514
Posts: 2844War Analysts say??
QUOTE=JojosunQUOTE=Riina;2910563 And what difference will this 61 bil package make? Nada, zero, zilch.
QUOTE.
https://www.economist.comleaders /2024/04/24/ congress-has-given-ukraine-a-reprieve-with-its-new-aid-package.
America's latest aid will give Ukraine only a temporary reprieve. QUOTE.
Let's hear what The War Analyst have to say?
'War analysts say Ukraine should treat the latest US aid package like it's the last one it'll get'.
https://africa.businessinsider.com/m...st-one/t6bmrq2
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04-27-24 06:53 #2513
Posts: 1991Originally Posted by Jojosun [View Original Post]
What the Economist and other intellectuals fail to understand is that Putin can't keep it up indefinitely. He's already spending over 40% of Russia's entire budget on waging his war of choice. America and the West have the money. He, on the other hand, will spend his way into oblivion.
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04-27-24 04:08 #2512
Posts: 370It's a war of attrition
Russia has historically been willing to absorb tremendous casualties for political causes. What Mr Putin doesn't understand is this isn't history, this is today. The generation fighting are accustomed to the internet, free thought, and personal freedoms the previous generations (including his) were not. He's only in control because he has a very effective propaganda machine and still has enough following at the lower levels of local government to stiffel any amount of social disorder.
The aid will not end the war. The aid will slow the Russians down tremendously but the end will only come when the will of NATO to prop-up Ukraine fades or when Putin is gone. As an American I'm sad to say the issue has become more political than pragmatic and is being held hostage by a small number of legislators with very big mouths. The fact of the matter is at least 1/3 of the money we spend to support Ukraine is directly funding production of weapons in our massive defense industrial complex so it's basically going right back into our economy in the form of wages and taxes. There isn't an intelligent legislator that would fight that (unfortunately there are plenty of unintelligent legislators).
Having been all over Ukraine and seen the contrast between a very Ukrainian city like Lviv (where you never hear Russian being spoken) and a resort town like Odessa (where Russian is spoken out in the open everywhere, at least before the war). I think I can say they're just as stubborn as the Russians, have proven themselves resourceful and ingenious with what they have, and employ clever tactics. Add that to fact that they are fighting for their very existence I think they have a very good chance of ending this with their heads held high. At a minimum, Russia will never control Ukrainian territory. Partisans will run a gorilla war against them for decades with plenty of help from the CIA using its black budgets that don't get scrutinized like everything else that goes through congress. If Ukraine "looses" Russia will have created Afghanistan for themselves all over again which is sad because Putin was alive for that Russian nightmare and there will be a lot of young hot slavs that get killed which breaks my heart.
This is ISG after all.
Originally Posted by Jojosun [View Original Post]
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04-26-24 01:48 #2511
Posts: 2844Temporary reprieve.
QUOTE=Riina;2910563 And what difference will this 61 bil package make? Nada, zero, zilch.
QUOTE.
https://www.economist.com/leaders/20...ew-aid-package
America's latest aid will give Ukraine only a temporary reprieve.
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04-24-24 10:34 #2510
Posts: 341Originally Posted by Riina [View Original Post]