Buenos Aires - 2004 Reports

[Punter 127]

Hey Guys

A buddy I will be visiting BA for the first time on the 20th, and was wondering what would be a fair and normal price for a internet girl? If any of you have any pointers, the info would be welcome.

Thanks

Punter127

[Member #1036]

Some brief comments on my first 3 days here in BA. Some observatins that I wll contradict others have made.

First of all arrived here Thurs afternoon after we had plane problems out of Dallas. 3 hours in to BA and had to turn back to Dallas. What *****!! The 10 hour plane ride turned out to be 15 hours of agony. Business class was full and my buddy and I shared a two seat section. How the hell do people sleep in these cramped spaces. Slept maybe 2 hours all the way in.

Arrived to Etoile Hotel and as described by other mongers. Nice location large suite. Internet access in lobby. Rooms a little dated but clean and big. Recommend and booked through GoArgentina at a good price.

Arranged a first date with Ximena of Soy tu Escort and made sure girl in foto came. Was assured it was her and arrived when said. Opened the door and naturally not her but acceptable substitute. Asked for $150 ar upfront and kicked her out the door. Begged to stay and called her jefe and told her i am not a tonto(but really am as you will find out later). Aregued with me as to no avail. Girlt begged to stay and said pay her later but too late damaged done and mood gone. Gave her $10ar for taxi.

Called Roxanna next and set up a tour from her the next day and called a few mongers here to touch bases.

Set out early around 5 to Oleans cafe to see day action. Smaller than I imagined and felt weird as my buddy and I are Asian and the whole place stared at us like we were Aliens. It was cool as all the girls were getting ready to reel in 2 fishes. Quality of girls were not as I have heard. Many young but mostly older but doable. Mistake made is my friend is a sucker and when all these beggars came around he would give a buck to them. Ruined it for both of us as the girls now know we are fools and fishes.

Finally asked a older nice sexy girl who says here name is Alejandra and is 25 but probably 30 or so. She says $200 us for 1 hour. Give me a f....king break. I m a fool but not stupid. Gives me her # and i say later.

Walked down to Exedra Cafe and only about 5 olllllld ladies. >Its about 7 pm and we find Florida Street and the big indoor mall. We want to see the famous beautiful girls of Buenas Aires. We walk and walk and walk and walk and keep saying they{ll be coming out of their offices soon or something. Nothing!!! At this point we are discouraged and disappointed. After hearing that BA has the most beautiful girls in the world we would expecting a lttle better quality. We are from Los Angeles and we are accustomed to the girls from the westside of LA , San Fernando Valey girls and so on. I guess we expected a lot more and trust me, I m not too picky like my friend and I had a hard time finding many normal girls walking in the mall and around the city.

Today we again sat around a cafe in Recoleta and watched all the passerbys and again discussed it does even compare to girls of LA.

Anyways hit the clubs like Solid Gold, madahos, Salome, Black, Cattos, Cutty Sark, Verde, Affaire,and a coupld of other and will report later.

I have to really thanks you guys for recommending all the different places and espceially Roxanna. We took her tours and was truly entertained and for me she is one great person and for me has great charm and personality. Any of you guys who are new coming here...call her and take her tour and learn a few things about the people. worth every pennny and more.

Will give a detail report of the chicas later.

Thanks guys.

Jason

[Saint]

In all fairness, while Dickhead posted his post I had edited mine to add, "But DO keep in mind the fact that it has you so stressed out might be a sign to yourself that you are paying more than you think you should. "

While I certainly wouldn't pay that much, and everyone on WSG KNOWS that Dickhead wouldn't pay that much, there will always be guys like Dickfer around. I don't think they change the system at all. Girls know every once in a while they will find a guy like this that just doesn't care how much he is spending.

Honestly though I think that deep down inside Dickfer had a real conflict with himself when he writes things like, "At the restaurant, I just slipped her 700p saying I didn't want to think about money anymore, and truthfully, it was stressing me out. I always tell guys to pay what you want and as long as it makes you feel good then do it. But it's clear that it didn't make Dickfer feel good.

The whole point of spending time with a beautiful girl is to have fun and NOT be stressed. If ANY part of hobbying is stressing you out that is a clear sign you are doing something wrong. You can't say things like "I feel like it is totally worth it" and things like "it's totally stressing me out!" in the same post about the same girl.

One of the main reason I prefer not to meet many guys that email/PM me is because I've found that many guys (a) have a real issue with women and I'm not talking about anything positive; (b) guys can't talk about anything else but sex 24/7 and have nothing else meaningful to say; (c) guys that think that every girl out there is for sale or that they can "get any girl they want" for money; (d) guys that just can't seperate fantasy from reality; (e) a combination of all of the above. Don't get me wrong. I've met a lot of great guys over the past few years but I've met a higher percentage that consists of the type above. I'm sure that there are a lot of great guys out there but no offense if you PM me/email me and invite me out and I don't accept. There is absolutely NO incentive for me to hang out with someone that is annoying.

[Dickhead]

Saint, referring to Dickfer, wrote:

"No one is asking you to make an excuse why you paid her X amount of dollar or telling you that you're paying too much."

Wrong. I am telling him he is paying too much. Way too much. But anyway I am sure the baby will be very cute.

[MoonDog]

Jaztasy,

BA will be absolutely dead during this time. Unless you have a special girl that you want to spend the holidays with she and her family, you will be out of luck until about the 10th of January.

Moondog

[Saint]

Dickfer,

I'm glad you are having fun and all but it sounds like you're worrying so much about what you are going to pay your "novia" that you're making yourself crazy. I'm certainly no expert but in the countries I have been to in South America a few things always happen. If a girl really cares about you she won't accept money. There is a certain point where a girl starts developing feelings and when that moment occurs, she doesn't want you to think of her as a prostitute. She'll be with you because she wants to be with you. This has happened to me with girls I meet in the clubs. They will call and come over because they want to and they won't even accept taxi fare.

The other thing that I notice alot with Latinas is when they stop thinking of you as a client and more as someone they have some sort of connection or bond with, they won't ask you to use protection with them. It could be the very first time you are with them, or it could be several months from when you first met her.

Whether you choose to go bareback and unprotected is a risk you have to calculate in your own head. I've been at that deciding moment many, many, many times and I never forget that I'm not the only one they have done this with. Some girls THINK they have feelings the very first time you are with them. Of course, they aren't real feelings but you can damn well bet if they are offering it to you, they have offered it to other guys so be careful. Just remember that if you are weak (because after all we are men and think with our little heads sometimes), and you do go bareback it will be very difficult to start going back to protected sex. Many girls will give you the 1st degree if you go BB with them once then tell them you want to go back to protected sex in the future. The reality is that once you go backback with a girl....you pretty much always will. Even if it's in another trip.

You don't have to keep justifying what you are paying your girl. No one is asking you to make an excuse why you paid her X amount of dollar or telling you that you're paying too much. The one that sounds like you are trying to convince is yourself. Just relax and have fun. Pay what you think is fair and don't worry so much about things. But DO keep in mind the fact that it has you so stressed out might be a sign to yourself that you are paying more than you think you should. Have fun.

____________

As far as how busy it is from December 15th to January 15th, I've been here for a 5 week stretch during that exact time frame. It's normally dead during Christmas and it picks back up the 2nd week of January. The problem is that many of these girls aren't actually from Buenos Aires. MANY of them are from other parts of Buenos Aires and Brazil, Paraguay, Uruguay and other countries. They go home during that time period and spend time with their families. There still are girls here like Thomaso said but not nearly as many. The town is relatively dead compared to normal also because that is the time that many head down to Mar del Plata for their vacation. The girls also know this so they take advantage of this time frame to rest with their families. Fun can still be had though. It didn't stop me too much.

I'd also recommend flying to Rio during this time frame. I flew to Rio two times during this time frame and that actually was a great time to go to Rio. I went to Rio for New Year's Eve one year and it was great!

[Dickhead]

I nominate Dickfer for overpayer of the century. The minimum wage here is 450 pesos a month. Can't wait to see the pictures of this woman.

[Thomaso276]

I do not think the days after Christmas, through just after New Years are the best times for meeting girls. Alot of family committments go on here during hoildays. Last year I was in the States from Dec 15 to Jan 15 so I cannot give you specific information. However, it has been my experience that there is always some action to be found. Then there is the concept that after the holidays the girls need to pay alot of bills because they had not worked before Christmas. Good luck, maybe someone who was here during that time frame can provide more specifics.

[Frans]

3 xp recently, 1 bad and 2 good.

let's start with the bad one

britsy from platynum, published also as alice in gemidos

i called the chica, she seems a bit speedy on the phone, do not like that but decided to give it a go and she gave me her adress in flores.

she is about 27-30 years old, a bit smaller than the 1m70 announced and a bit larger (especially the lower part of her body) than the pics may suggested.

bbj ok, sex was uninspired and with too much fake screaming to my taste. 100p la hora but i decided to shorten the session after on shot.

as i was coming back from the bathroom i just found her searching my trousers pockets. i do not like that (who does?); that's the first time that such a thing happens to me in ba.

on top of that her flat is a mess and no soap/towels in the bathroom.

definitely not a recommendation.


franchesca from platynum

she publishes also as sol in sensualbaires
http://www.sensualbaires.com/gi8/

and franchesca in escorts-argentina

http://www.escorts-argentina.com/escortsargentina/girl48/girl48.htm

tall girl of about 30-35 years old, ok face but great body, an incredible butt and big fake boobs (though soft ones).

cbj and good sex, 100p for 40 minutes.

flat on suipacha 7xx.

i recommend her if you like tall chicas.


last but not least...

angie from bairesgirls, andie in 906090modelos and charlotte in platynum.

very nice lady of 36 years old, great body, small tits, very good bbj, servcio completo though i did not try her "cola".
100p the hour.
i had an excellent session, highly recommended.

that's all for today

frans

[Jaztasy]

I posted a similar message in the General Info section. Posting here, just in case. I have the opportunity to arrive in BA on 12-26-04 at 11:45am and depart on 1-1-04 at 8:45pm. Is this a good time to meet women? Are the P4P women in town or away due to the holidays? Are their prices and hotel room prices higher at this time. Any honest and sincere advice regarding this trip is GREATLY appreciated.

Thank you!

[Saint]

rb1,

It might be of interest for you to read the "Living in Buenos Aires" section where I have posted a detailed list of my monthly living expenses. Other contributors like Dickhead and Andres followed up.

Honestly, Based on my definition of "comfortable" I can't live on $1500 US a month. Close to it though. I'd say more like $2,000 US per month you can live a very comfortable life which includes taking taxis whenever you want, eating out at restaurants often, getting health insurance (which is a must), an adequate entertainment budget and everyday living expenses.

I think most people could live on $1500 US a month though. If you're not in an expensive apartment, you cook dinner yourself every now and then, you aren't hitting the clubs every night, you aren't picking up girls too often and you aren't taking taxis 6-8 times a day you should be fine.

Also, if you purchase a nice apartment and you don't have the monthly expense of rent, you can definitely live here on $1500 US a month. If you are coming here to live, I feel that buying makes a lot of sense. Monthly building fees for even very nice apartments are relatively cheap. If you bought an apartment, you could easily live here on $1500. No doubt at all. One of your biggest expenses will be your rent.

Read the budgets and other information that some of us take the time to write. It should help you tremendously. Take whatever budget you think you would spend and add on a few hundred dollars because everyday things come up that you wouldn't think about. Think about normal things that you purchase daily in the USA.

You really don't need to hobby too much if you live here and you are fluent. Still, the really hot girls demand that you bring something to the table (i.e. you're good looking, have your shit together, or have money, etc....). I really like flirting with the everyday hottie that is working in the stores, restaurants, malls, etc. Also, do yourself a favor and have some business cards printed up for your business. (a) it shows the girls that you live here and are NOT a tourist; and (b) it shows them that you are a hard worker and have your shit together and just not here to party. Those two things are very important in the Latin culture with girls it seems. You take the everyday girl on the street (non-prostitute) and many wouldn't move to the USA even if she could. Family is very important to these girls and they don't want to move away from their families. Also, most of the people love Argentina and really the only reason to move out of Argentina would be to improve their economic situation.

Almost every girl I've given my business card to has either called me at my office or cellphone or emailed me. Trust me, you won't need to monger much if you play your cards right. Just budget to hobby 4-5 times a month which should be good for the weekends or when friends come in town. Good luck. I can't recommend living in Buenos Aires enough. It's a wonderful city. You should have very little problems getting residency status if your parents are from Argentina. I can refer you to good lawyers that can assist you with the paperwork as everything here involves a mountain of paperwork. I plan to establish residency here in a year or so.

Just don't think that these businesses are so easy to make money with. You mentioned businesses where you can buy them cheap and make an "automatic" amount per month. Very few businesses here are guaranteed to make money month after month. Doing business here is very difficult and it takes constant massaging and much hard work. Try to partner with a local if you can that knows what he/she is doing or that has good contacts. In the short amount of time I've been here I can see that to be very successful you must get a ton of assistance from locals. The only thing about Argentina that is certain is that nothing is certain. One thing is for sure, it takes a capital investment to survive here unless you have a job/project where you can work here and make money from the USA. Even skilled, highly educated people from the USA can't expect to make money here being an employee.

You MUST start your own business or buy an existing one that is successful. I've met some great guys that want to move here and some have brainstormed some of their ideas but I shot them down pretty quickly. I gave my advice to them as an unpaid consultant and I hope they found it valuable or helpful. A few of them were being unrealistic though. Think logically when you think of a business to do here. One guy I met that was just a real great guy wanted to sell a product here that is imported from the USA. This product is not so cheap in the USA and it would be even more here because of the import taxes. Also, who can afford to pay for an imported product here???? Tourists? Ok. Well, tourists can buy those products in the USA cheaper without the import taxes. There are wealthy people here but that is a small market and most things take volume to make money. I really encourage those that are moving here or want to invest here to really think your game plan through. Do NOT just listen to locals you are asking for opinions that might have a vested interest in you trying to start a business (maybe you'll hire them, maybe they'll get a kickback, etc.???). Good luck to all.

[Dickfer]

To all the Senior Mongers who responded with their knowledge and insights - thanks, with much sincerity. I agree with all of you in not sending her any money. I wont let myself get THAT deep into a delusion, as I RTFF!

So back to my favorita. The first time she worked "independently" for me, we agreed on 400p for six hours deal. I know this may be much more than what most of the members of this board would pay, but for me, it is less than 150 dollars for probably the best six hours that I spent this year! The first night was a bit awkward in the beginning as there is definitely a language barrier - I can with enough repetition and patience, get my ideas across and vice versa in Castelleno - but obviously she is not used to speaking to a gringo and still kept on firing off in rapid Castelleno. We watch a movie. During the walk to the restaurant, there was a bit of a lull in the conversation - you know, the uncomfortable silence. At the restaurant, I allude to hanging out tomorrow and she gives me non-commital "no se" response. Uh oh, not a good sign.

Anyhow, things get better over dinner as we learn to communicate "mas despacio," and we have a great session back at the apartment. She gets very into it, this little young thing (actually she is about 5ft9") and starts yelling "mi amor!" But at the end while snuggling she seems a bit distracted and she starts to take some deep sighs - not a good sign. She keeps on asking me whether I'm sleepy and I say no, but after 3 times of this, I figure she's asking that so that she can go home, so I finally lie and say "yo tengo sueno." I pay her the 400p plus 10p taxi and she doesnt even look at the money - I walk her down and stay with her until she finds a taxi.

The next day, I call her during the day and she seems happy to hear from me and doesn't hesitate to come over. I did offer her 300p for 2 hours and more if she stays longer on the phone. She says "bueno," but doesn't say much else. She comes over and she looks fuckin great - just the sweetest smile with eyes to die for, Anna Kornikova body. Again we have another great session. Getting pretty close to GFE!

I suggest going to Teatro Colon (a must visit in BA IMHO) for a concert and she likes the idea. Teatro Colon turned out to be all that it is hyped to be and even more - it's considered one of the most acoustically perfect concert halls in the world and it is a truly an astounding space.

To Cabana Las Lilas at Puerto Madero for a great dinner, then back to my place. At the restaurant, I just slipped her 700p saying I didn't want to think about money anymore, and truthfully, it was stressing me out. I thought about offering 600p for tarde & noche, but I already offered her 300p for 2 hours, and I paid 400p last night for 6 hours, so I figure anything less I'll probably lose my credibility and I just didn't feel like talking money with her. She doesn't even look at the money as she puts it in her purse and we return to my apt for another great session.

During the act, she starts to say "Te Amo" and even though I don't really mean it, I say the same - I think I rationalized it to myself as "I'll love her for the next two days, so I'm not really lying."

OK here is where it gets crazy - I have trouble maintaining an erection while trying to put on condoms. I also have been having trouble finishing (as a matter of fact, I still haven't "finished" with her after 3 days of fucking and sucking). She asks me what's wrong and I tell her it may be the condom. She then tells me to go BB and I pull away and say "No, es loco!" and she counters with "No, es NO LOCO!" with fierce latina determination. In a very weak moment(a big sigh), I allow it to happen (the upside is that now we're going BB all the time). Afterwards, I ask her if she didn't think it was "un poquito loco" and she says "si, es un poquito loco." Holy mackerel but oh well, the horse is out of the barn - I'll just have to be tested when I get back. She says her last HIV test was 3 months ago and she has been using condoms with everyone except for the Dickfer.

I ask her to sleep over and she wants to stay.

This morning as soon as we wake up we go at it again and get hot & heavy. Then shower, a little nap together ("dormir juntitos"), wake up an hour later and more sex.

I mention that "yo quiero a pagar 1,000 pesos para sabado y manana," as I'm taking a 10pm flight out of EZE tomorrow (sigh sigh). She simply says "Yo no quiero hablamos de eso." OK - end of discussion - sounds like to me that she'll take whatever I give her and not fuss over it anymore. I plan on giving her 1000p when I leave tomorrow for both days (I know guys, that sounds exorbitant, and I hope I am not ruining the "marketplace" for you all, but #1 I WANT to give her th emoney #2 it's still only $350 for two days of total GFE and unlimited sex with the woman of your dreams) when I leave as she offered to accompany me to the airport.

I feel like the money I have spent on her so far has been totally worth it (and believe me, it's way cheaper than having a complicated relationship back home) as I am having the time of my life!

[RB1]

Saint, i am looking at becoming a permanent resident. I think it will be easier for me to do since my parents were Argentine citizens. I am looking at buying a business down there and based on talks with locals and family members, you need about 1500 dollars a month to live comfortably. I am looking at buying an apartment out in San Isidro or Olivos and saw some real nice ones for 80k us. The issue is how much for health insurance, taxes, food etc.

Do you think 1500us a month will do? Most people down there thought it was ok. I found a few businesses I could pick up for 20k that would produce about 5-6000 pesos clean...1500 to 2000 dollars.

of course if i were to monger excessively the price would go up but i plan to limit myself to 3-4 times a month.

as for age of the girls, they varied from 20 to late 30's the majority being in there mid 2o's. The best advice as stated by everyone already, learn a little spanish as it will enhance the experience.

rb

[Saint]

rb1,

Your post is right on target. Good job of describing the scene. Sounds like you lived it up and had fun and that's what it's all about. And you are absolutely right about the girls inflating their prices and not coming down on price if they don't like any aspect of a guy. With many girls it's not just about the money. The really hot ones can pick and choose who they want since they are in such demand. Many I talk to never even have to leave with guys they aren't that attracted to since they are being approached all night. If you're talking to a girl and she absolutely won't budge on price just move on. I was in Madahos one night when I witnessed this type of thing happening. This guy that was dressed really badly and just look like he rolled around in a dumpster was approaching girls in front of my table. Girls were not too interested but he was calling girls over to his table. They were throwing out prices of $200 US!! This guy could speak Spanish but was American I think. He was getting pissed at the price quotes. I didn't even want to talk to him but kept listening because I was curious. He finally accepted one girl's offer of $200 US and I was laughing. Then I was surprised when the girl changed her mind and increased it to $250 US. It was clear to see she was just doing this to avoid leaving with him. He just left the club pissed. You know what?? The girl ended up leaving with another tourist for 200 pesos. Proof positive that it's not always about the money with these girls.

This is a paradise. Not just the chica scene but just living in the city and interacting with people on a daily basis is very satisfying. The toughest thing is it's tough to make money so come down with money or be prepared to create your own business. I've met many people from the USA and Europe that moved here because they loved it but now are having to move back because they figured out there is no way they can make enough here to survive.

Jackdaniels,

Girls are generally older in Buenos Aires then other places in South America I've been to. You can find some young, sweet, hot girls in the clubs but it's nothing like Rio de Janerio. Most clubs don't seem to hire too many girls under 21. I heard it was a law but I don't think that's true since I have met some 20 year old girls in the clubs. By and far though, I've found that most are in their early to mid 20's. You'll find many in their upper 20's too. There are exceptions to this rule but I've found that in places like Rio, there are much more younger girls in the clubs and the termas. Most guys I know that came to BA after Rio were disappointed with the sex scene here.

[JackDaniels]

Generally speaking, what would be the age profile of the chicas ? Does this vary by club ? Do chicas graduate to Blacks or Madaho having honed their skills elsewhere and perhaps learnt some English along the way.

I got the impression from a previous visit that it is mostly in the late 20s and higher.