2004 Archived Reports

[Cheapskate]

Cheapskate, I respectfully disagree.

Negotiating with the girl can mean everything when it comes to the service in the room.

Be Safe and Be Nice
Country John

Thanks for your insight. I realize from your explanation that I really haven't spent the time to negotiate with SG's for the services I wanted.

I have spent more time negotiating with AB girls in the club before taking them upstairs for the services I enjoyed.

[tjfooker]

Went last weekend and had a good time. Would like to go again tonight. Kinda late notice, but if anyone is interested, PM me.

[TesterTester]

Went to AB on Friday night about 830PM.

The usual cast of girls was there. Met Rakel (Raquel) from Mexico City who is blonde, very pretty face, about 5'9" with her heels on. She has enormous implants. She also speaks very good English. 24 years old.

I am normally not into the whole implant thing, but she was quite nice and asked if I wanted to go to the restaurant next door. I agreed and she had a carrot juice and we talked. She was wearing a bustier/girdle thing because she said her boobs were too heavy and she needed the support. She will only keep the implants until she is done "working" and then she said she will get rid of them -- when she has money in the bank. You have to love a girl with a plan.

Then we went upstairs. She gave an inspired CBJ and then started cowgirl. then missionary, and then more CBJ and finished doggie.

I would recommend her for her attitude. She said she also works at Chicago and will work there next week. She likes Chicago better because they give her more time in the room for her sessions.

Body: 6
Face: 9
Attitude: 10

[KJ Vegas]

Country John,

Great post, I couldn't agree with you more. I try to be the same way, i like to talk to the girls, joke around with them, maybe give them a small gift (nothing too expensive) and then negotaite before going in the room. These girls can be alot of fun.

Cheers,

kj

[Country John]

Cheapskate, I respectfully disagree.

In my personal experience, how well you do in the room depends on how well you do on the street.

The girl (a human being) is going to decide on the street how she will treat you in the room. You are into a "get what you pay for" situation of course but you can do heaps to take care of her and you. If you want the turkey and all the dressings then you need to pay for it and the cost is usually as low as another $10. above the asking price if you play it right.

And if you play it right you will have a great session, a delightful expereince as only these girls can give. American women could learn sooooo much from these girls.

Negotiating with the girl can mean everything when it comes to the service in the room. I might sometimes have two or more negotiation sessions with the girl before I go. Each time, beyond talking numbers, I'll tell her she's beautiful, and make her smile or laugh with my ignorance of the language but the message to her is she's beautiful and I am "not worthy." I might take another walk aroound the block and come back to her and do the same.

Evenutually she'll go for $30.00 and do the fuill service because now she knows you and maybe even likes you a little bit but even more importantly she'll trust you - a very important element. If you treat them nice but are firm in negotiations they will usually go your way.

If you are a "ride 'em and run" type then they sense that too and will respond accordingly. You are either there to fuck or have a sensual experience with a beautiful girl. How you approach the girl will determine the level of service, not always the amount you pay.

You MUST embrace the notion that even though it's P4P, they are still sharing an intimate experience whether full on GFE or a 15 minute F**k. It's better for you (and them) if it she is comfortable with YOU first. She'll be comfortable with the deal if she's comfortable with you.

Disclaimer: this does NOT apply to the sharks who are out to scam you in the first place. You should be able to pick them out when you are doing the squeeze test on the street.

The girls in the club tend to be (but are not always) more "hardened" but the same rule applies. I'm not going to bore anyone by re-posting my strategies here but suffice it to say you MUST do your research downstairs if you even HOPE to get anything resembling a GFE upstairs. And "upstairs" isn't alwsys the way to go ifyouknowwhatImean.

I just happen to be one of those guys who really enjoys my encounters with these fabulous ladies. I love every one of them. I appreciate their beauty and admire their talent, something American women lack. There is NOTHING like a GFE with these women. I wish I could marry them all but I have only one life to live.

Work on your game. You'll be very glad you did.

Be Safe and Be Nice
Country John

[Pernel]

Except for the fact that pimping is againt the law in Mexico and from my knowledge base most of the street girls or "Paraditas" are independent operators, as for the $30 a day...Get real, thet can make that much in 15 or 20 minutes! BTW re: S.G. performance...After you get to know them they will perform to a higher standard, although not GFE.

Tijuana tries to move sex trade out of public eye
By Anna Cearley
UNION-TRIBUNE STAFF WRITER
October 11, 2004

City officials want to clean up Tijuana's tawdry image by moving prostitutes off the streets into specially built hotel lobbies in the Zona Norte. The city allows the women to work as prostitutes after they obtain permits, which require monthly health checkups.

TIJUANA – Around the corner from the tourist strip of Avenida Revolución, hundreds of prostitutes wait for clients by lining up in front of hotels and bars at all hours.

Prostitution has been permitted for decades in the Zona Norte, a part of town where many pimps bring the women they lure from small Mexican towns. The city allows the women to work after they obtain permits, which require monthly health checkups.

No one expects prostitution to disappear in this part of Tijuana, but city officials want to clean up the city's tawdry image by moving the prostitutes off the streets into specially built hotel lobbies in the Zona Norte.

A recent attempt to start the process in an alley called Callejon Coahuila demonstrated the challenges the city faces in tweaking with the traditions and dynamics of this colorful part of town, which also is known for its ties to smugglers, drug dealers and other shady characters.

Two weeks ago, police and inspectors shooed approximately 300 prostitutes out of Callejon Coahuila, hoping they would stay inside the hotels. But only a few of the hotels have waiting rooms prepared, and the women ended up going to other streets.

PEGGY PEATTIE / Union-Tribune

A woman said she moved to Tijuana to escape an abusive husband. A human-rights activist said some small towns in Mexico's interior have become feeder communities for prostitution.

Some of the prostitutes, worried they would lose access to a prominent location, threatened to protest by taking off their clothes at City Hall. After meeting with city officials, they were allowed back into Callejon Coahuila.

"The thing is that there are six hotels in Callejon Coahuila and most of them needed to still be remodeled with the (special waiting) rooms," said Marco Antonio Villalobos Hernández, director of regulations for Tijuana. "Until the hotel areas are remodeled, we won't touch this."

Unlike American cities, where the sex industry is kept mostly under wraps, prostitution in Tijuana is negotiated on street corners as openly as getting a shoe shine or hailing a cab.

The city has issued about 3,000 permits that allow prostitution. Most of the permit-holders are women who work in dance clubs, bars or massage parlors, but about 500 to 600 stand along the Zona Norte's streets, according to city officials.

Though the area is sometimes visited by curious tourists, most of the prostitutes' clients are Mexicans, said Victor Clark. He is a Tijuana-based human-rights activist who has represented the prostitutes in extortion and abuse complaints.

Other Mexican cities have moved their street prostitutes out of the public eye into hotel lobbies or waiting rooms. Tijuana officials, hotel owners and some of the prostitutes who work in the Zona Norte had come to a similar agreement over the past two years, Clark said.

"We have always said that it's important to provide more dignity to their work and to transform the urban space," Clark said. "When they are in the streets, they can be stigmatized and have insults thrown at them . . . and they can get cold."

But Villalobos said the discussions apparently didn't include some of the women who work in Callejon Coahuila, which contributed to the confusion last month.

The city continues to encourage the approximately 28 hotels in the Zona Norte to set up special waiting rooms, starting with Callejon Coahuila, but no one ventures to estimate when the rooms will be ready. Even supporters of the idea have their doubts it will work.

"I don't know if it will function or not because prostitution here has its own dynamics," Clark said. "Some of the women are worried that some of the men will be too afraid to go into the waiting rooms. Facing 30 women in a room may cause them to flee."

Laura Fernandez Contreras, 24, a prostitute who works just outside of the Callejon Coahuila area, said many women also feel safer and more comfortable standing outside.

"This has been going on for so many years here that I don't think it will change," she said. "When you work on the street, you don't get bothered or hassled, and you don't have to deal with the smoke in the bars."

Fernandez said she has been working on her own, and that she sends a part of the money she earns to her parents, who are farmers in the state of Veracruz. She is one of 12 children, she said, and she dreams one day of opening a snack shop back home.

Clark said that a few of the street prostitutes are able to work on their own, but that most end up here through pimps.

A street prostitute between 18 and 25 earns on average about $30 a day, though the younger women can make about $100 a day, Clark said. Most of the money, he said, ends up in the hands of their pimps.

Clark said that certain small towns in Mexico's interior have become feeder communities for prostitution, but he hasn't found evidence the women are being trafficked on a wide scale by organized crime groups.

"There are certain villages that produce pimps, and they will go look for young girls whom they deceive and bring to work here," Clark said. "A pimp that has three girls could be making $300 a day. They use the money to build a hotel or a restaurant back home, so the village's economy is based on this activity."

anna.cearley@uniontrib.com
© Copyright 2004 Union-Tribune Publishing Co.

[Cheapskate]

The one nagging doubt that I have about TJ SWs is the price differential: Club girls go for $40 - $60 plus the room whereas SWs go for $20 plus the room. Many of the SWs could get $60 if they were in AB. If the club girls keep all their money then why does this difference exist?
Blue Nose

The $20 plus $5 room rate means they keep all their clothes on, you work on getting yourself hard and sticking your erection into her pussy (panty pulled aside) to completion. Slam-bam-Thank you, ma'am! style.

If you need BJ to encourage junior to stand at attention, it will cost you extra.

To get her to remove her clothes costs extra. To allow you to suck her nipples cost extra.

If you want her to do everything a club girl does for you, she'd probably charge you more than you'd pay the club girl to go to the room.

These have been spelled out before in this forum.

Reports have been written earlier in this forum about SW's agreeing to perform club girl deeds but you'll have to shell out more money than you would give a club girl, plus tips -- and they can't offer you the gfe because they don't know how to do that.

[Country John]

spent thursday morning negotiating my way around otay and downtown tj in the mud and the rain. they don't have pot holes in tj, they have tub holes. you can lose your car in 'em.

broke free and headed to the zona at 12:00 noon.

i parked on the street across from cc and waited for my girl. she took the day off to be with me. man, she looked good too. she knew we were going out so she took the time to get "ready." i'm a sucker big time for that fabulous job they do in dressing. i watched her walk down constitution wearing her new cel phone like a gun (i called it so she could walk and talk and she looked great - big smile - like a kid with a new toy, hoping she was impressing the other girls. her innocence was very sexy).

the plan was to hook up with her, and then do a little rememberance for jessica with jtull. afterwards lunch with the girl and then to her room for the rest of the day into the evening.

couldn't find jtull, must have been "bizzy" so my girl and i walked up to jessicas spot and just stood there for a moment and remembered jessica. peace be upon her. my buds at the parking lot watched my car for me.

off to lunch at la fagota. lovely lunch. she wanted to go to the mall and "look around" but i in english that means "spend gringos money" so i wispered in her ear that all i could think about was kissing every inch of her body and that seemed to turn her on. i was already turned on because she looked so fucking sexy.

maybe that's why she got dressed up - so she could parade around the mall with her gringo credit card toting horny fool but i would have none of that. instead it was back to her room at cascades at about 3pm for the glam slam. paid the bastards their fee and got settled in for some fun.

after some chat and a sip of beer (she had brought to the room) she started to rub my back, my neck, my arms, my nuts and this continued for about 30 minutes while we talked about her family, her home etc. i in turn stoked her tits and ran my hands all over her fabulous sensual body.

she slowly slid out of the bed and slipped away into the shower and emerged naked and shivering. again, i was too stupid to jump in with her but she seemed to want to be alone because she took her douche kit with her. i figured i should let her handle that on her own, not enough room in the shower for us and all that gear. i pulled down the covers and she crawled in.

chicas are at their horniest in the few days following their period and she just finished up her monthly visit from mister nasty on wednesday so she was good to go. we lay in the bed, dfk's lots of touchy feely and her stoking my dick. i had a hard on all day anyway but it felt great. she has great hands.

she said to me "i need your dick right now." something about that makes me tingle so i started to undress. she finished undressing me and pulled the covers over us and proceeded with some of the finest bbbj ever. nice, slow, firm, licking sucking ooohhhh.

i like to fuck for long time so i let her work a bit then when i reached downstairs and touched her again i felt her wet wet pussy i tossed her over and jumped mish. long slow strokes, she was moaning, hugging, kissing, legs wrapped around - good stuff.

switch to ontop, she was wet, loose and horny. i wanted to fuck her for a while to try to tighten her up with some head jabs so i kept her on top for a bit, switch to doggie etc. finally she starts to pop. she also started to tighten up and dry out a bit which is great for the sensation.

sweat sweat sweat - how i love the smell of latina sweat and after about an hour she was dripping - me too.

she took a potty break but i told her she was probably going to squirt and just let it out but it was her bed and she didn't want to chance it. if it were a regular room she would go for it. turns out she needed to [CodeWord134]. close call.

back in the sack for more. you know the drill. after about 20 minutes she said "i want you cum on my face." but i was having a great time boning her. she says "you rather cum in my pussy right?" i said "i will cum at the right time so relax." she says "ok, whatever you like."

i just love her body. those b cups, that bright smile, that long hair, her soft skin, those silky inner thighs, that dripping sweat - just like in the movies. she's had a lot of experience and she knows what to do.

now that my friend is full service.

i had no sex for about three days and so i had a bit of a load to let off. when i came, it took about 15 seconds. felt like my nuts were going to jump off the bed and run around the room. i hosed her real good man. i was not quick enough to pull out and do her fascial. she would have looked like frosty the snowman by the time i was done -maybe next time since she seems up to it. maybe a multipop will be on the menu time permitting.

interesting that she wanted to get under the covers. a first time experience for me in the zona. ususally it's on the towell but she wanted to cuddle and fuck in the bed under the blankets. very nice gfe all the way.

afterwards when she talked about home, her parents and her kids she started to cry. i could tell she was hurting - really. i said "girl, i will take you to the airport and put you on the next plane to home right now if you want to." she said as soon as she gets her legal situation handled she will go home and i will not buy her ticket - she will pay.

with that we cuddled again, laughed at the porn on tv, she gave me all kinds of insider stuff on the girls and the games in the club. unbelievable. i brought a few things from the usa for her, a nylon briefcase for her papers, a bag of candy (that she will send to the kids), a nice ballpont pen and a pair of wool socks with a small stuffed animal head on them to wear to bed.

she was very touched by the gesture and dfk'd for long time.

then it was time to go. she was very cool, got dressed for bed, retuned to the bed and hugged me and kissed me. she helped me get dressed saying "it's getting late and you have to go home to your wife." i left at about 9 o'clock and left her $1000p to help her out since she took the day off. no complaints or comments.

driving home was cool too. about halfway up the 15 to temecula she rang my phone and said "honey, don't give me all your love, you are a married man and i don't want you to give me all your love. i will go home soon and we will still be friends ok?" "you know i have to work at the bar for now but i have the best time with you ok?"

we talked about her going with other guys but she said it is only for money, not for love. she told me that she was grateful for me helping her and someday she will pay me back. a real trooper.

so with all the talk about girls ripping mongerers and the all the horror stories about the sharks out there, as i folded up my phone i couldn't help but think that maybe this was not one of those times.

i sat in my driveway for a few minutes and had a smoke thinking that no matter what, i have to keep my eye on the ball and my guard up because when it comes to chicas, it can take a bit of time for the ugly to come out and as much as we hate to admit it, few of us are experts at seeing it come down the track.

the best we can do is hope that we're not making a mistake trying to help out one of these girls when we think they need it.

so far i feel ok about it. we'll have to wait and see.

country john

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beware of anything that bleeds for five days and then doesn't die.

[Matt04]

The difference beween SW and club girls is that SW usually won't give oral sex and they often won't take all their clothes off. There are probably other reasons too, like, they don't have a club connection or they don't pay a fee to come to the club (like most of Mexico processes).

Also it seems that most SW are more local flavor and the club girls are more Americanized.

[Mr Speed]

Hey fellow monager
wodnering when any of you guys headding down there let me know peace out

[Beer Guzzler]

TJ Bob thanks for the info. I could have sworn she told me that her name was Natalia and not Sylvia. Perhaps she gave me that name for the fun of it and was indeed Sylvia. I wasn't even drinking so it's not like I could have goofed up her name. Either way, she was hot and her boobs looked so delicious and firm I just had to suck on them like a lactating baby. She was about 5'8" with high heels, maybe 5'5" without them. All around tan skin, medium length dark auburn hair, with vertical c-section but no fat in mid-section. And she very much looked like Rosalyn Sanchez the actress, although when I was telling her that she didn't know who that was and told that guys usually tell her she looks like Bibi Gaytan the Mexican celeb.

My whole purpose and excuse to drive to TJ alone (w/o the family) was to purchase some meds you don't usually find in the States (well maybe in East LA, but wants to drive there?). Therefore, I couldn't walk the border carrying back the stuff I bought at the farmacia. However, I will consider taking part of the day off at work one of these days and driving down there for fun.

Beer Guzzler

[C Cube Lover]

I agreed with TJ Bob that Sylvia is very close to a 10, especially after her new boob job. Her new boobs even enhance her body a little bit more, in my opinion.

Does anyone here has a chance to go upstairs with her?? I have entertaind the idea, but have never tried her yet due to the fact that the hotties are usually have "bad" service.

Any info is appreciated!!

CCube

[TJ Bob]

Beer Guzzler,

The Rosalyn Sanchez look-alike is Sylvia de Mazatlan. maybe your natalie is another look-alike, but sylvia is pretty close to a 10.

There is nothing wrong with anal except outside the USA. everyone else in the world is appalled and disgusted by the act. i've never found a puta to do anal. i don't even ask anymore as it just disgust them. But, I've heard you can get anal from some of the -5 SG's, but definitely not the hotties at AB/CC.

Next time, park your car at the border and take a taxi to AB to avoid the long car lines at the border back to the US.

I'm heading out to TJ next week, anyone got a rec for hot +9 spinners?

Thanks

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[Beer Guzzler]

This is a late report from Saturday afternoon at Adelitas.

I arrived in Tijuas around 2PM bought some meds, ate some tacos, popped a viagra, and then headed to Zona. I parked my car at the parking lot next to CCs (very cheap) and started to walked down to ABs, but out of curiosity I walked into CCs to see the action there. There were maybe 7 chicas and the place was completely dead.

I immediately walked out and headed to ABs. The place was jumping with hoes everywhere and mongering brothers in full force. There was standing room only, as the chicas were doing some strip shows to motivate the crowd. There was probably 3 or 4 honeys that were 8 or better in my book, but continued to scope out the action to see if the perfect 10 was around. I saw Andrea who I'd done in my previous visit (she did a strip show), but my little head wanted something different this time. For some reason everytime I walk into this place this nasty short fugly hoe walks up to me trying to coerce me into taking her upstairs. She has a couple of rolls and a little (I mean big) witch nose perfect for holloween.

After shaking her off, a few hotties approached me including this one cutie that looks a lot like Rosalyn Sanchez. She quoted me 60 but I countered with 50 and she quickly agreed. Before we went up I scared her off telling her that I wanted to stick it in the chiquito lol. Another one approached me and when I told her the same thing she immediately walked away calling me gay. Is a man gay because she wants to greek a girl? So I walked up to Rosalyn's look-alike Natalia and told her not to be scared, I was only kidding and that I would behave if we went upstairs. So we did in a heartbeat, as another monger was contemplating whether to take her upstairs or not.

This girl is hot, great body, nice c maybe d cups, brown tan skin, and definitely looks exactly like the celeb. It did look like she had a kid as I could still see the scar from her c-section. I sat down and watched her sucked my chorizo and balls, did a decent job but had to tell her not to quit early as I love cabeznooks. She proceeded with reverse latin cowgirl, doggie, mish, and pounded her pussy really hard with patitas al hombro where I finally busted my nut. She really appreciated the hard grudge-pound I gave her at the end. Overall looks she was a 9 (I loved sucking on her tits), performance was a 7 (no gfe, no daty, no dfk, and no bbbj). But my joy lied upon pounding a cutie pie that was no where to be found in OC.

So I took a quick shower to clean up, paid her the 50 and thanked her for her services. After that, I walked back to my car and headed back to OC. The boarder was tough as I waited over an hour to go through. The only reason I don't make that many trips out here is the border bottleneck, but the chicas are awesome and are worth the long trip.

Beer Guzzler

[Blue Nose]

As posted in my previous post, there were a lot of really hot SWs in the Alley this Saturday afternoon and evening. The really hottest ones are on the Miami (North) side of the street and closer to the corner of Constitucion. There was one chica with these long red thigh high boots that was to die for. I was very tempted, but I have one nagging doubt about the SWs that I was hoping you guys could help me with.

A lot of the locals I talk to claim that the SWs are not as clean as the club girls, and that some may be diseased. One guy I spoke with talked about the SWs having "dirty pussies". If you read the Brockton O'Toole guide, he seems to say the same thing. Now, a lot of the locals have incentives to keep us gringo mongers in the clubs so I don't know what to believe.

The one nagging doubt that I have about TJ SWs is the price differential: Club girls go for $40 - $60 plus the room whereas SWs go for $20 plus the room. Many of the SWs could get $60 if they were in AB. If the club girls keep all their money then why does this difference exist? I am no economist, but it does not make sense that something costs $60 when, a few hundred feet away, you can buy the same product / serivice for $20.

Let's see if we can hear back from some of the experienced pros in this forum: Country John, TJ Bob, Beer Guzzler, Chuponalgas, MuthaFoo & others- why does this price difference exist and are the SWs as safe as the club girls?

Blue Nose