Seoul

[Run Mann]

This is just an incredulous story!

CAMP RED CLOUD, South Korea — Area I nightclub workers are angry that the 2nd Infantry Division continues to examine their health records — including AIDS tests results — a practice they say runs counter to the Army’s campaign against [CodeWord908] and prostitution.

Earlier this month, 2nd ID officials conducted health inspections of nightclub workers in Tongduchon, the city where the largest 2nd ID facilities in Area I — Camp Casey and Camp Hovey — are located.

A 2nd ID memo to nightclub owners states the inspections involved the division’s Preventative Medicine Office and the Tongduchon Health Department.

“All clubs will have all entertainers and club employees present during the inspection. Entertainers will have their passports, alien cards and health records present for verification of identity.

“Since entertainers are in close proximity to soldiers it is imperative that they can demonstrate that they are free of any communicable diseases,” the memo states.

One nightclub worker who passed the memo to Stars and Stripes and claims she was forced into prostitution after being lured to South Korea by the promise of an entertainment industry job, said health inspections give the impression the Army is involved in management of prostitution in Area I, despite a high-profile anti-vice campaign this year.

“They shouldn’t be having these health inspections. If there is no prostitution, they wouldn’t need the inspections,” she said.

However, 2nd ID spokesman Maj. Mike Lawhorn said the health checks do not amount to management of prostitution by the Army.

“We are absolutely not involved in the management of this. It is extremely important to the command, that everybody understands at all levels, that the division is absolutely committed to this zero-tolerance culture for activities that support [CodeWord908] and prostitution. We are not tolerating anything that supports that,” he said.

The health inspections had nothing to do with [CodeWord908] or prostitution, he said.

“They are about enforcing health and safety standards for our soldiers. We have made it very clear to the club owners and we are continuing to make clear to them our stance on [CodeWord908] and prostitution,” he said.

Members of the Korean Special Tourists Association (KSTA), an umbrella organization for nightclub owners serving U.S. soldiers in Area I, understand the Army’s concerns, he added.

“They want to run clean, profitable clubs to the benefit of everyone. It is to everyone’s benefit that the health and safety rules and the laws of Korea are adhered to,” Lawhorn said.

Clubs that break the rules will be declared off-limits, he said.

“It is not going to be worth it to break Korean law or violate the standards of the KSTA,” Lawhorn said.

Recent health inspections of Area I nightclub workers were the same as those carried out at all South Korean nightclubs and were done by Gyeonggi Province officials with military personnel present, Lawhorn said.

The health exams, which foreign entertainers must complete every three months, include a biannual AIDS test. Tests for other sexually transmitted diseases are optional, Lawhorn said.

Father Glen Jarron of the Filipino Catholic Center in Seoul said the Army’s health checks were of less concern than the South Korean government’s requirement that entertainers undergo AIDS tests. Jarron has worked extensively with Filipinos trafficked to South Korea.

“Why should they require entertainers to have an AIDS test and not require ordinary factory workers? That is tantamount to saying that the girls are not really going into that kind of work,” he said.

The real problem was not health checks or AIDS tests, he added.

“It is about ending the idea that they [Filipina nightclub workers] are still being used by American GIs or other foreigners,” he said.

[Mickey Race]

I've asked this before but nobody responded. I've been wanting to try out the new Hamilton Hotel 'Foreigner Only' Sports Massage at the front of the hotel, has anyone been? There were always good reports about the old one downstairs, but I never went. I've never enjoyed the sports massage but really want to try it out now. Could the Hamilton be the best choice for a handsome Englishman to dip his toe in the sports massage world?

[Travel Sex]

Hi Guys,

I'll be off to Seoul this coming tuesday and would like to pay a visit to the famous Miari..

Been following the posts by fellow mongers of the crackdown on prostitution in September.. Is Miari affected? I'm sorry if this sounds like a stupid question but I'm asking cos I'm under the impression that maybe Miari is one of the 'legalised' RLDs in the country - much like Geylang of Singapore.

Would appreciate any info at all.. Or any other recommemdations..

I'll be staying at the Millenium Seoul Hilton in the namdemun area till thursday.. Any action near where i am?

Thanx in advance bros... i'll be sure to post my FRs this visit (if any.. ;>)

[Mad Fun]

I'm in Seoul Sunday the 27th for tonight only. I'd like to clean the pipes but prefer girls who come to me. Is this service available in Seoul? I'm staying at the Hamilton Hotel in Itaewon. Send me a private message if anyone wants to go mongering tonight!

[Red 73]

Yes, I know this is not the most exciting of posts, but not much going on with this board lately due to the crackdown, so:

Love Hotels: Lots of these, maybe 30 or so, all going about 30,000 to 40,000 a night, and you can usually get a discount for short time (4 hours or so). Around these hotels it is pretty easy to find those little advertising cards for the outcall services, which are all pretty much the same: 150,000 for one hour of service (usually including a weak-ass massage), girls are usually decent (6-8), CBJ or BBBJ depends on the girl (many of them are independent operators), and mechanical sex. Once in a while you can find a hottie who provides good service, and then can usually strike up a more long-term deal, but you may have to sort through a lot of mediocre experiences before you find one.

Starbucks, WaBa, etc.: western coffee shops and bars are great places to find regular girls (not professionals), but you have to accept the fact you are going to get rejected 90% of the time, and the remaining 10% may not lead to sex right away. The Japanese-style rampan or whatever they call it is definitely not alive and well in Korea. The SNU area has lots of college students (not just the SNU snobs who go home to mom and dad every night), girls with part time jobs or using one of the study hotels in the area. Best bet is to offer to help them with English practice to get to know them better, but don't use this as your pickup line since I think lots of them have heard it before (I speak from experience). It may take you days or weeks to get them into bed, but hey, it's free. Of course the downside is you might find yourself with a girlfriend and the 20 text messages a day that come along with her.

Okay enough of my crap for now, anyone wants advice about particular places PM me.

Red

[Red 73]

The area between the SNU subway stop and the Naksungdae stop is full of room salons, Dalan Jujum (noraebangs where girls are provided), love hotels, and the occasional barber shop and sports massage. Prices do not seem to be much cheaper than the rest of Seoul, but I saw zero police presence (Korean or US military) on a Friday night. However, I think you probably need to speak at lease passable Korean or go with a Korean friend to get by. I'm a Westerner, and didn't encounter any problems or rejection, but I also speak half-decent Korean, so that might have helped. It certainly helped some of the girls I met warm up to me.
The room salons are pretty explicit about what's included if you just ask, the raunchier ones that include full nude strip show and potentially sex in the room (depends on girls, establishment, etc.) run about 350,000 won per person including drinks, room, etc. they will generally provide service for one person, but I have not partaken yet. If anyone would like to partner up and explore one of these places, send me a PM.

Next are the Dalan Jujums, or Noraebangs with girls. The girls in these places usually run about 70,000 per hour, but all you get for that is some snuggling in the room and grab-ass (just as often her grabbing your ass). This can be fun, but as they say, there is no sex in the champagne room. Many of the girls make themselves available outside the bar for sex, but this is usually an individually-negotiated thing (I had one invite me roller-blading the other night, so I guess it's possible to meet girls for longer-term relationships this way too). This is a great way to get a big woody before heading to a massage place for relief, but not very cost effective, since drinks and the room can easily set you back 50,000 won and more per hour.

Continued in part 2.

[Wine Guy 247]

I will be visiting Seoul again next week and have to say the discussion the last couple months on this board have been a bit depressing! Personally I thought that Yongsan was a great place to go.

Any recommendations on where to meet and pickup non-pros? Last I heard was that Limelight was good (though I might be a bit old at 38). I had also heard that Hard Rock was good. Can anyone confirm these or make alternative suggestions? I will be there Thurs, Fri and Sat nights.

MJ

[Play Thing]

I got the viagra package that I ordered from the Net. I worried whether it would get through the Korean custom or not, but without a glitch, it arrived on my desk.

The trick was *NOT* to order the bulk quantity. What I chose was the sampler package that consists of 4 pill of 3 drugs each (V,C and L). And the shipper was clever enough to put them in the plain airmail so nothing was spectacular outside.

I am pretty sure if I ordered some quantities, the custom would get in, trying to figuare out what the content was.

Browse the Viagra section and choose your pharm.

Play Thing

[OldAsiaHand]

Run Mann,

Sorry, I don't remember the name of the place. It was about half way up. One of the smaller places with only one girl inside. She had short hair and a pretty decent rack. It took me 3 passes by before she agreed to the 30k.

I wandered into a couple of those places up the top to the right. As you say, the quality was pretty poor. I did not see anything better than a 3 or 4 and I am being generous with the ratings.

OAH

[Ben2]

I don't know where you are from, but in the US, if the man stops you and askes for ID, you have to provide it. It not, you brought upon yourself, trouble.

In Korea, same thing applies. Ignorance is no excuse. Besides, what is the reason for not showing ID? It's not a big thing? Only a person who is hiding something would worry.

[Coupler]

Excuse my ignorance in these matters, but do they have any jurisdiction over me? What might have happened had I refused to cooperate?

The MP's don't. But the Korean police do. They usually have a cop with them when they do the rounds.
You have to cooperate because it's illegal to not have your ID on you in Korea.
If you didn't cooperate, they could take you in on suspicion of being an illegal immigrant.

[Gallis]

Hey guys,

Bad News. Jennifer is no longer at Lucky Spa. She has moved on. So it's back to the old fat Mama San. Until they get a new girl. At least we got to enjoy Jennifer for a short time. Oh Well.

The owner told me she has a new girl coming fri ( today ) she is supposed to be 30 yrs. old dont know what she looks like. I miss Jenifer but do enjoy the attention I get from the owner. Have you ever done full service to her ? What all will she let you do?

[Mickey Race]

Stopped in Thursday afternoon and you have to make an appointment for a massage now. Very rude middle age lady there around 4:30pm. Won't waste my time stopping there again.

[BK Big Fish]

Almost by accident, I ran into a very nice full-service massage parlor.

They offer body-body massage, front and back, BBBJ with both hot tea and ice water (quite a thrill), sex in different positions, and an actual massage afterward. I only had one girl, and while she was a little chubby, she made up for it with big breasts and a decent (for a Korean) ass. Overall, it cost 120,000 won for an hour of pure pleasure.

It is a little out of the way, though. If you were to go by taxi from Gangnam, it would end up about 10,000 won. On the other hand, you can take the number 7 line and get off at Sangbong, then hop in a taxi and say "anma" ("massage" in Korean), as there is only one in the neighborhood. They just opened up under the same owner as a nice place I used to go to in Apkujeong, but that place is currently closed down because of the crackdown, so the new place isn't having any problems with the police, obviously, probably because they are so distant.

[Cute Guy 9000]

I was approached and asked for ID. I told them I was not in the military, but they asked to look through my wallet. Thanking me for my cooperation, they let me go and moved on. Excuse my ignorance in these matters, but do they have any jurisdiction over me? What might have happened had I refused to cooperate?

I believe the MPs patrol with Korea PD back up. The Korean PD might not be in sight but they're there if needed. The MPs have no jurisdiction over civilians and you don't have to show your ID to an MP but in Korea you certainly have to produce photo ID any time a Korean cop asks for it. So if an MP suspects you're military and you refuse to produce ID, it's a simple matter to call in the Korean PD in. And you don't want to have to deal with those weirdos. So, you did the right thing.