2002-2006 Phnom Penh

**Byeon Kwang Sae** · 10-27-02 02:25

i need to politely direct this post to bassgod, (re: post of 10-08-02) and please, no flaming or board wars, ok?

i realize that it is politically correct to trash the ****s that hang out at svay pak, but, it my experience, what is available out there is neither too obvious nor particularly out in the open, as far as the severely **** stuff goes. i can’t imagine that the ngo’s would get much mileage out of filming, even if they were filming either tricks or *****s. i believe that the ngo's would have almost zero opportunity to film any severely **** children.

i had not heard of any recent high-profile busts, perhaps you can fill me in?

i also disagree that the home away from home café is maggot-infested with ped’s and creeps. again, in my experience, the guys that permanently hang out there act like they are holding a very boring meeting at some business club or something.

i mostly want to comment on the ngo covert filming rumor - - myself, and another bloke from america (we shall call him “john”) initiated what i would like to refer to as “john’s rules” at k-11.

rule number one is, of course, no open filming in the streets. also, some of the photos taken indoors of the younger girls had found their way onto the internet a few years back, and the mama sans now prohibit that activity.

twice in the last year, fellows driving thru and filming have had their cameras taken away from them by some of the heavies and the papa sans that provide security. the professional guides (and others) also know to be on the lookout for guys that just don’t fit in (they hang out and watch, but they never take a girl) and everyone looks for guys that are too obvious about placing backpacks in camera-friendly positions. (one backpack containing a peephole and a camera was confirep001ed a while back by some angry papa sans)

so, i am curious about the “covert filming by the ngo’s”. personally, i doubt that there is too much to that rumor.

stay vigilant,

byeon kwang sae

**Marco Pole** · 10-18-02 17:00

Hola Amigos,

I'm currently in Siam Reap after three nights in PNH and I can confirm that K11 is very much alive and well. Upon advice from some friends, I hired Mister Sophann as my driver throughout the trip and he took me to all of the major spots (i.e. Martini's, Sharky's, K11, etc..) and never once did I run into any problems. I highly reccomend his services ($25/day) to anyone that would like an experienced and extremely genuine guide. He definitely knows his shit. I believe his email is mistersophann@hotmail.com if you're interested.

The situation in K11 is similar to what others have reported recently. The houses on the street are not wide open but will open immediately anytime a punter approaches with interest. I visited twice in three days and had a few excellent short times at #14 and #8. A few ex-pat's I met at HAFH said that there was a brief shutdown several weeks ago, but it's pretty much back to business as usual.

Personally I liked the atmosphere at Martini's much better and spent a majority of my evenings playing with the georgeous Khmer and Vietnamese ladies. One bit of advice I can offer to anyone who hasn't been here before, is be careful about taking a different lady from the bar if the lady you took the previous night is around. I took a Cambodian beauty home two nights ago, and when I returned the next evening with a couple friends I met at the FCC, she was all over me. When I tried to shake her and approach a couple Vietnamese girls my friend was rapping with, she pulled me away and surrounded me with her five Khmer girlfriends. They kept saying, "Why you take Vietnamese girl...You don't like Cambodian girl". I tried to squirm my way out of it and signaled my friend to bring the girls to a cab out front where I would meet them, but she figured the situation out and gave me the stare down (with five friends included) as we drove out the front gate. Nothing really major to worry about, but who needs a bunch of pissed off Khmer hookers (who probably have boyfriends) after your ass.

Anyway, heading off to Ko Samui for the Full Moon Rave party tomorrow and then to Phuket, so I'm sure I'll have more stories to share.

Later
MP

**BassGod** · 10-16-02 00:02

bubbagoes,

Well there is Toul Kork but I don't think it's any better than K11, in fact it might be worse. You'd have to be a pretty hard core Sanuk tourist to tolerate it. I heard a rumor that it was bulldozed.
You can always try The Massage Parlors. Sharkeys, martini's, Shangrila, and Walkabout have enough choices for me.

**BubbaGoes** · 10-15-02 15:41

Since K11 seems to be a object of unwanted attention, are there any other concentrated house areas? I'll be there in about 3-4 weeks and don't want to depend solely on Sharkeys or Martini's.

**BassGod** · 10-10-02 21:15

CheapYngHoLuver,

Fair enough we should table this discussion. My main point has always been that K11 is under a lot of scrutiny and people should be careful.

**CheapYngHoLuver** · 10-10-02 12:04

true bassgod.
i did not mean this to become a discussion about **** sex but meant to state that it is very much a problem supported by the local population. then to top it off a read an article in the northern territory news relating to a judges ruling on aboriginal **** sex. here are some quotes:
"a 50 year old man who had sex with a 15 year old girl had his jail sentence reduced to single day."
""it is well accepted these days that courts have regard for aboriginal law." justice gallop said."
"the justice said the girl did not need protection from white man law."
""she knew what was expected of her"justice gallop said"
"the justice stated he was suprised that the offender was charged with the offence. the offender had paid money for the girl to her parents already."
"justice gallop found the original ruling magistrate had gone outside the facts when he made the original ruling."

intersing and to some extent corralates to what i am saying about cambodia and local customs. now if justice gallop would begin work in asia...................

promise i will not say anymore on the subject.

**BassGod** · 10-09-02 20:13

cheapyngholuver,

i have friends that still like k11 so i don't judge, in fact i may be back there some day. it's just not my scene. as far as the age issue i agree with you in principal, a person that's 16 is just as able to consent as a person thats 18. the only problem is that there has recently been a law passed by the congress of my country (u.s.a.). in the u.s. you can be punished upon return for breaking any u.s. laws. in most western nations you can be punished for having sex abroad with a person that's considered ****d in that nation. i always wondered how they could enforce this law but i've been following the news and in australia, where they've had this law for over a year, they've already convicted 13 punters. also it's hard to tell how old these girls are, one that tells you they are 16 could very well be 13 and you wont know untill the police come. i think that unless you know your way around k11 it's probably best to avoid it, there are pleanty to choose from at sharkeys and martini's.

**CheapYngHoLuver** · 10-09-02 10:45

agreed with your points bassgod.
i myself have a couple of regular girls who wont cause me legal problems who i go in and see now. i have fun with others but stick to these girls. i fully agree that there are many people there that you would not want to be seen with for any reason. as for the filming. i have heard about that. have not seen it. again if i dont do anything wrong hopefully will be okay. i do accept though that k11 is at this time in decline. i hear what you say about the slavery but i have to say that considering that this is in nearly any brothel in every asian city it is easy to point the finger at k11. the other thing is the majority of girls put into slavery situations are used in asian only brothels. i again agree with the **** point within reason. it has been debated before so will just say it is ridiculous to use the western age of 18 to describe an asian girl as an adult. 16 is a lot more reasonable. it is asian customers though who use children all over the country. k11 is an easy target because it makes people feel good to take a stand. the fact is they are not improving the situation at all by just hitting this one place.again i understand what you are saying and guess i am taking the its to hard option. my trips to k11 are getting less frequent but there will be another k11 oneday and perhaps the old k11 will survive. i am not a judge and jury just a punter!!
cheers

**BassGod** · 10-08-02 04:49

cheapyngholuver,

i've been to k11 a couple of times and although i've met some very fun ladies there but, i have several concerns that keep me away.

the first and most important one is the age of the ladies, you'd be hard pressed to find a girl on svay pak (k11) that is at least 18 years old. svay pak is internationally known by ****s as the place where they can get girls as young as 8 years old. the main strip mostly offers girls between 13-20 years old but it's well known that off the main strip there are young, very young girls available. recently there have been some high profile busts out there.

the second reason is the indentured servitude. these girls for the most part are sold into sex slavery by their parents and are kept at the house and forced to take one customer after another. they are often beaten by the mamasan if they don't do exactly as told.

the third reason is the cesspool of perverts that congregate around that cafe across from house 15. i would never want to be seen in the company of these creeps.

also this might sound a little paranoid but i've heard on good authority that the ngo's have been covertly filming people that go in and out of these houses.

**CheapYngHoLuver** · 10-08-02 03:41

Cheers Bassgod.
As I said your posts and reports are very much appreciated. I enjoy K11 basically becuase I have fun there. Lots of laughing and mucking around. Reminds me of Thailand 10 years ago. Will be back there in early December. Keep the reports up.

**BassGod** · 10-07-02 20:13

CheapYngHoLuver,

I don't know that I "hate" K11 but I will admit it's not my scene.

**CheapYngHoLuver** · 10-07-02 16:07

While I thank Bassgod for his informative posts it is clear that he hates K11. I was there two days ago and found it to be more undercover than before. A couple of places had closed doors. A quick knock and you are let in. I still had a good time and hope that people start to go again and the place will end up as previous. If not somewhere else will open. K11 is still going though and I cant see it ever leaving us.

**BassGod** · 10-07-02 09:43

bubbagoes,

I was there last month and it was open, at least I suppose it was because every moto offered to take me there. If you've got to go there ask a taxi driver and he'll let you know. best to avoid K11 because few of the girls are of age. there has been a lot of international attention to the area and punters are being photographed.

**BubbaGoes** · 10-04-02 14:32

I'll be going to PP in about a month and have been following the posts on K11, is it open or closed?

**BassGod** · 10-03-02 02:25

Marco Pole,

The fishermen don't fire at the boats anymore, that hasn't happened in years. The fishermen just wave now. Cambodia isn't as dangerouse as it used to be.

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