2002-2006 South China - Guangzhou

[Cronin]

Nimrod newbies and their asinine apologists make my butt tired.

Agsen: Why don't you take a big time out bud? I've seen you give OAH the benefit of your infinite wisdom on this exact same issue. Peace and Love Man... woof, woof, woof. I think its time for a reality check.

First of all, I can't make heads or tails of most of your posts. Your English grammar is so bad that I can only guess what the hell you're really trying to say. Is that what you consider information? This isn't picking nits. Check the posting guidelines. Grammar counts! There is a reason for that. This is an English Language board. If we all write in nonsensical pigeon English, this site would be worthless. I'm sure you feel all warm and fuzzy giving people the benefit of your monger experience, but if you are unintelligible, who are you helping? You can get away with poor grammar in conversation, no one really speaks grammatically perfect English. However, writing is a whole different ball of wax. There are no non-verbal cues to help us understand your point. Your directions from the Ramada to the BBS area are a joke. I know that area like the back of my hand and I can't understand those directions. You need to seriously reconsider the value of your posts.

Second of all, Agsen, and this is much, much worse: you are giving false information. I have a serious problem with this kind of shit. You said there is a street in the Ramada area with 10-15 BBS on two side streets. Absolutely not. I don't know whether you lied intentionally or you really think those places are there. In either case, you are wrong. I have a big problem with no-knowledge experts leading people into dark back alleys in search of BBS that don't exist. Next time you want to feel all warm, fuzzy, and self-important, go have a glass warm milk.

Finally Agsen, don't fucking lecture OAH and me on WSG etiquette again. You think it's just OAH and Cronin who won't suffer these fools gladly? Check any other board when some idiot writes the equivalent of: DUUUH, hey guys, where all da GURLS? Thoughtful questions ALWAYS get detailed replies from Seniors. Morons with 2 posts who are too fucking lazy to scroll down half a page ALWAYS get backhanded by Seniors and they always will. It's motherfucking annoying after all the good work we've done. Someone needs to put them in their place and I, for one, am only too happy to provide that service.

Case in point: Check out the question from Prince2 recently. Now here is a newbie to GZ who did "Read The Fucking Board" and asked two specific questions on some things he didn't understand. I love to see that kind of post. It means he actually read the stuff we took our time to post. Cronin, OAH, and any other Senior member will pour out information to help these newbies. Did I do everything I could to help Prince2? What do you think?

Now to that idiot newbie whose name I don't even remember: You couldn't even read the last few pages to find your answer? And you want to venture out into GZ to find hookers? I gave you the best possible advice. Find this...

Cronin

[Santa]

#2 You paid what? RMB1700? That's nearly $200 US! And you didn't even get full service!?

This is China, not Germany! I think your report may anger some China regulars.

[Prince Leo]

I agree, last year when in was in GZ i had a dead fish out of a KTV.

I don't remember where the KTV was, but it was a bit outside of GZ, near the river and it was very big.

Was it Yan Wu Tai or Rock N Roll KTV?

[Chop Sticks]

I agree, last year when in was in GZ i had a dead fish out of a KTV.

I don't remember where the KTV was, but it was a bit outside of GZ, near the river and it was very big.

If you have frequent the KTVs in DG, you will be dispointed with the KTVs in GZ. The girls in GZ are not as playful as the ones in DG. I could be wrong, but I say most of the KTV girls in GZ don't really know their role, do whatever to entertain the customer, given that you treat them with common respect. And I doubt most of them will be willing to goto DG with you if this is the first time you take them out. Mainly for safty reasons.

Good Luck and Have Fun

[Tom Schilders]

Hi There,
Well, after having spent 4 days in Guanghzou, I am able to report on the following:

1) Stayed at the China Hotel - Mariott. The first night walked out of the hotel, to walk on the side walk of the main street. Within one minute had 3 ladies approach me for "massage". Picked the nices one, paid her 500 RM (she initially wanted 1000), and had a good time for about an hour. NOTE: AFTER 23:00 HOTEL DOES NOT ALLOW GIRLS IN THE ROOMS ANYMORE
2) Next night went to the Sauna / Massage place. To be found if you pass the McDonald´s from the China Hotel to your left, one more block further on the corner of the street. Had a very playfull session in the massge room, with a happy ending. Girls was very horny, could also have fucked her I think, but I was not in the mood. I think they had special high exhibition prices, because the total bill was RM 1700 (including back rub, manicure, ear cleaning, massage, happy ending, some playing with the girl and foot massage). A bit high, but OK, no choice
3) 3rd nite picked up a girl from the basement based dance club in the China hotel. Paid 800 RM, had to go back to her appartment because it was after 23:00.

Overall, not so bad, but I think there´s more to explore, but had no time
Rgds
Tom

[AGSen03]

I'm staying at the Holiday Inn in Guangzhou next week. Wanted to find out if anyone has recommendations for safe recent exploring that is nearby?

Just try to ease down the potential blow up, as Cronin have predicted.

The Holiday Inn Hotel is located at east end of the Baiyun Hotel, Garden Hotel, Friendly Store, Manila Cafe, Citic Hotel, Starbuck Coffee, ... ( 1/2 miles ) area. Just few pages back, there are many recent info. relates to this mentioned area.

Have fun!

[Corpo]

Hey,

Not everyone is as experienced and daring as you are.

I asked for recommendations not critism.

[Cronin]

This is the kind of shit that drives OAH completely nuts, and right at this moment, I agree with him.

Here's my recommendation Corpo: stay in your hotel room or you'll never find your way back. I don't think you could find your ass with both hands.

Cronin

[Corpo]

I'm staying at the Holiday Inn in Guangzhou next week. Wanted to find out if anyone has recommendations for safe recent exploring that is nearby?

[Prince Leo]

If you have frequent the KTVs in DG, you will be dispointed with the KTVs in GZ. The girls in GZ are not as playful as the ones in DG. I could be wrong, but I say most of the KTV girls in GZ don't really know their role, do whatever to entertain the customer, given that you treat them with common respect. And I doubt most of them will be willing to goto DG with you if this is the first time you take them out. Mainly for safty reasons.

Good Luck and Have Fun

I know what you are talking about. I had lived in DG for 3 years. Wouldn’t say it is the best time of my life but a very memorable one. All the really hot chicks from the ktv’s get taken off the market the first week or so and they learn. These high end chicks are not stupid and have been around. They all know that we are just passing by and sometimes they are just plain dead fishes too.

[Prince2]

Cronin / Agsen3,

Thanks for the extremely detailed reports.

Hopefully i'll manage to find a few shops from the great list you guys have given.

Thanks for taking the time out to reply

Prince2

[emagine]

I know what you are talking about. I had lived in DG for 3 years. Wouldn’t say it is the best time of my life but a very memorable one. All the really hot chicks from the ktv’s get taken off the market the first week or so and they learn. These high end chicks are not stupid and have been around. They all know that we are just passing by and sometimes they are just plain dead fishes too.

Emagine,

I personally would not look for classy type of girl in GZ. These girls, in general, but not all, tend to have a princess attitude. I rather do the girls that are in the nearby towns or cities. I have tried the upper scale girls in GZ for about 10 times in the 2003-2004, 1000rmb or up per outing type, and only 2 were the GFE ones. The ones that I went with outside of GZ, around 20 of them, in the same price range, about 80% of them were eager to please me. Must be something about the big city attitude or something. Or it could be me. IMHO, the girls in DG are much more fun and are more willing to do whatever to serve you.

I find that the highend girls in SZ tend to have to same attitude as well. That is why I prefer to play in the near by towns rather than within the city when I am in SZ.

Good Luck and Have Fun

[Cronin]

i suppose someone should give a general update of the bbs areas. this job used to be done by the king, but he has been neglecting his duties. wingman and i took the grand tour yesterday of all our favorite gz areas.

overall, the same areas are active, but many shops were shut down. there is a crackdown citywide, which seems to be related to the trade fair.

sha tai lu

we started in the early afternoon going to sha tai lu. this is the new favorite area for both of us. plentiful girls, close proximity, fabulous service by gz standards, only a slight white guy tax (st200), and we have become known there, so it's more efficient and a little more safe.

this area is largely unknown, even in gz, so it's very anonymous (only important if you live here). i posted an actual map to the area several weeks ago. i've titled my many posts on this area: he shui (river water) because that's the little monger street. but the main road is sha tai lu. you can't get there by metro, no way. even by taxi is usually difficult, you have to direct the taxi driver as you are going. but with some persistence and my map, you can find it. it will be worth it.

this place is pimpland. there is an area of sw, but you will usually take her to one of the many pimps for a fuck room. i've never seen an obvious fs bbs here, it's all through the pimp system. the pimps are generally honest, never had a bad experience from any of them, most of them older women.

we went at 4 pm. too early (8-11pm is optimal). no sw, no pimps. so i called a mama and we went over to her fuck apartment. i took a young bad girl who was just heaven (have some really nice photos of tingting, but no can post!).

wingman sat through three rounds of girl presentations without seeing one he liked (a lot pickier than me). so he asked the mama if she would give anal and they struck a bargain, he's always doing that shit.

ramada

next, we went to ramada. shop #1 (from the main street in) had two girls (5-6) and a mama. shop #2 had maybe eight girls (6-8). shop three (big plate glass window), closed. no big deal, this one always closes during crackdowns and holidays. shop 4 (at the end of the strip) open (fs? i don' know), and two more shops on the north side of that strip mall (one is monica's shop) also open. not great quality, though.

middle shops

we walked north on the main road, and took that little jog to the right and there are the "middle shops". both bbs on the end (to your left as you are walking) were closed. and all three on the alley (turning left after the jog) were all closed. if you keep walking on that little alley all the way to the end, there are two more bbs. one of those was open, with some reasonable talent. i've been in these two shops before and the service is excellent, but really attractive girls are rare. for some reason these middle shops always have a high ratio of sichuan talent.

oah told me about another bbs or two further up the main road and to the right at the next intersection (i think that's correct)

are these great sichuan shops closed permanently? i doubt it, but since they shut down siyou (by the river) who knows, anything could happen.

can you get to ramada by metro? well, i can, but you...probably not. the metro exit is yang ji, that will put you at the north end of siyou cun (the real name of this district). to walk from the metro to ramada means threading back alleys for quite a ways, i wouldn't recommend it. taking a taxi from the yang ji exit might work, if you can say "ramada" with a cantonese pronunciation. i can't, despite years of trying. when i want to go to this area, i take a taxi from my house and tell the driver: "siyou malu" (pronounced suh-yo ma-lu), and get off at the kfc by the big circle plaza. walk south past macdonald's and you are on the main road to middle shops and ramada, it's a pleasant walk.

bao gang lu

from there, we took a taxi to bao gang lu in the honan area (south of the pearl river). i've posted a map to this area before, it's accessible by metro from the jiang nan xi exit (metro line 2). this is a large monger area covering many blocks. the two areas are south of jiang nan lu and north of jiang nan lu. at the east end of jiang nan lu, it crosses jiang nan dadao, that's were the metro is.

my favorite shop on bao gang lu was open, but not much of interest in residence. several shops that were open when oah and i visited a couple months ago were closed now. we decided to check north side of jiang nan lu (there is nothing on this main street, you have to go to the next parallel streets in back). the north side is a little more upscale. nicer neighborhood, casual, relaxed feel. we saw about 6 or 8 shops rep001tered in this area. wingman didn't see anything he absolutely had to fuck, so i walked with him back to the metro station and then returned to the area to do a girl i had seen. got pics of her too! oh well.

li wan

and right here should go some great post retelling the tale of oah, ramekin, wingman and i visiting this mythical paradise in the old town of gz. we were going to go last friday, but that didn't happen, so we'll get back to this sometime soon i hope.

tao jin lu (road of gold)

deceased.

zhan qian lu

this area by the overseas chinese hotel (near north train station) used to be one of the hottest and most reliable areas of gz. now completely dead. just like siyou and the road of gold.

i suspect a little area here called "cosmos" might still be up and running. this is an obscure little side alley off zhan qian lu which may have escaped the recent clean up of this area. they serviced locals as opposed to the och clientele. this is another area i've been meaning to check up on, but haven't.

baiyun district

search my reports for a complete description. i have been there recently, its still active with the same set up, mainly locals, all bbs. metro accessible to the san yuan li exit, but then you have to take a taxi to the monger area, my repost includes full details on how to do that. my favorite massage palace is on san yuan dadao, this place is great, and i hate the whole massage thing.

panyu

i'm not the panyu god, that's oah. i know there is a lot over there, but i don't know if its metro accessible, i doubt it. long taxi ride from the main hotels on the north side of the river.

fancun

this is an active sw area which i've seen but never played in. tough to give good directions, it's out of the way, which is why i missed it for so long.

take the metro to the fancun exit, but don't get off there, go one more exit (i don't know the name of the exit, but its the second exit south of the river, the first being fancun). that puts you at huadi dadao, the main north-south drag. walking north on huadi dadao (back toward the river), go past two intersections. on the right will be a street that cuts off at an angle from the main drag. that street is lined with bars, restaurants and sw. many people on the street at night.

i still get sms's from a hooker in that area, so i'm pretty sure it's currently active. it's out of the way, mostly locals so not obvious, so it was probably missed in the crackdown. anyone with current info please tell us!

haizhu park

on the river by the landmark hotel, haizhu guang chang metro exit. this is a weird place. there are many sw in this park by the hotel. but i've never seen any 6 or above here. and the security has become intense, with guys walking around with big night sticks clanking them on the ground. so it's a big cat and mouse between the ugly, old sw and the army of security guys. not very entertaining. not recommended.

there are many other areas, of course. we had a great day, i got a lot of great photos, and hope to be posting them sometime soon.

cronin

[AGSen03]

Hi Fellas,

I have read quite far back on the threads but have been unable to glean any consistant information on the location of these nookie shops. Can someone please shed some light on:

1. What do these places look like from the outside? i.e. how can a newbie to the area identify the place as a BBs are there girls in the shop that you can see from the street like in the THAI beauty shops, or is there a sign outside.

2. I have read a number of posts that mention the 'ramada' area as being a good site for BBS. Is this still true and if so how do you get to this area by metro

3. What other areas have a concentration of BBS with NEARBY metro stations.

Obviously I will use any info received to help in a future post when i get back!

1. The most obvious to recognize any BBS is the rotating red/blue/white or black/white barber column sign. The legit BBS is usually bright lit with fully equipped barbershop gear and busy working personnel. On the other hand, most of the special service BBS has opaque or semi-tint glass door, sitting around personnel, with no sign of barbershop relating working environment. At night, it is certainly cannot miss these BBS with their pink or purple light lit up.

2. Utilize Ramada Hotel as the starting point. As exit the front entrance of the Ramada, make a left turn. Go straight ahead for about 200 feet, to the first intersection - there is a real estate office on the other side of street. Make a right turn at this intersection, and pay attention to the left side ( i.e., real estate office ) of the street. There are four BBS on the first alley with the iron gate. The second and third BBS have a good selection of above average look and friendly staff. Move along on this ( real estate office ) street further down for another 100-150 feet. Turn left at this intersection, there are another 3, 4 BBS on this side street. Recommended the last BBS; I have picked a very cute 8+ look, very GFE 19 yrs. old for a LT, 450RMB total. It was one of the best LT session that I ever have. Look for my posting in the China photo thread, following up.

Continue further down on this ( real estate office ) street to the next extension street, there are another 10-15 BBS on the ( left hand side ) two side streets, around the bar/food restaurants area. Did not have a chance to check these BBS out.
From the previous posts, I would also confirmed that the current rate of 150-200 RMB for in-house FS. I personally have had two LT sessions for 450RMB and 500RMB, respectively.

Since, my Mandarin is at the lowest level of the elementary grade, which is equivalent to the 2 1/2 yrs. old skill. There is no motivation from my part to explore the metro or public transportation. It cost me 15-20 RMB for Taxi from the Garden Hotel to Ramada Hotel.

3. Check back on the Cronin's previous posts of BaoDaGang Lu area. I personally preferred the Ramada area BBS better, for the girls quality and shop cleanliness as compare to the Jiang Nan Xi Lu & Bao Gang Lu area.

Enjoy.

[Prince2]

Hi Fellas,

I have read quite far back on the threads but have been unable to glean any consistant information on the location of these nookie shops. Can someone please shed some light on:

1. What do these places look like from the outside? i.e. how can a newbie to the area identify the place as a BBs are there girls in the shop that you can see from the street like in the THAI beauty shops, or is there a sign outside.

2. I have read a number of posts that mention the 'ramada' area as being a good site for BBS. Is this still true and if so how do you get to this area by metro

3. What other areas have a concentration of BBS with NEARBY metro stations.

Obviously I will use any info received to help in a future post when i get back!