2005 Rio de Janeiro Reports

[Kenn]

Min. wage is now $R300 a month..

[Liucio]

Maybe RIO is getting serious about cleaning up it image.

I doubt that thats the place to start.

[Liucio]

Chingon,

Working in the hosptial

The minimum wage is $R250. It was raised to $R250 this year. This is what the cashiers, waiters, doorman, people and the people at the airport are making. I can refer you to some sources also that will state the same.

The Professionals like the Doctors and Dentist and some parts of the police force are making more but not much more.

Go to Botafogo and ask any of those young doctors their salary. Then ask a nurse her salary. Speak with doctor Moraes. He is a 34 year doctor working at the hospital in Botafogo. He will tell you what the salary is for a public doctor. In fact is not always gauranteed his full salary. Sometimes he is owed money by the hopstial.

As far as the girls: I have not met 1 that is making $R6000. Not even the TERMA girls.
Most of these girls have an apartment in COPA, which they can not afford. Which is the reason some have to work 7 days aweek. Many are sending money home supporting a mother, grandmother and 2 kids. Although not all.

I think your numbers are inflated but we will not argue.

Thanks for the info on the "BOAT BUST".

[Java Man]

From second hand credible reports i recieved, this is not accurate. Yes the americans were detained for 12 hours, however, once lawyers and the US Embassy got involved, the charges were dropped against the 28 americans. the alleged crime was not a deportable offense... got that from one of the guys on the boat when it was raided. no publicly accessible source, sorry.

somehow the garota that made the initial complaint was identified and got her ass severly kicked by another garota, requiring a hospital stay....that's strictly rumor.

[Love Seeker]

Hello,

Thinking of making a trip to Rio the first two weeks in August.

I have some questions.

1) Do many of the girls that I would meet at Helps or on the beach speak English?

2) I will be traveling alone and I am very concerned about safety. Can I hire an English speaking driver that can keep me out of trouble (looking for a big young guy)? How much would I pay for a driver?

3) Is it easy to hook-up with other Americans or Europeans with the same interest in young women? (Safety in numbers)

4) How much rent should I pay for nice studio or one bedroom apartment the first two weeks in August?

Thanks

Love Seeker

[Bubba Boy]

Macunaima: The minimum wage as I understand it is R$275 per month, it hasn't been R$160 since about 2001???

[Java Man]

Lucio,
all arrested were american.
not a tour package. the organizer is an american who has or will retire to Rio. he arranges for the boat, food, drink & entertainment. it's all done by word of mouth. everyone knows someone on the boat.

Why would a PROGRAMA tip off the FEDS? pissed off at another garota, at the organizer, maybe she was PMSing who knows? your guess is as good as mine. if you can figure that one out, you're smarter than most.

yes i know Solarium, same people own Monte Carlo. i've been to both. as far as i know it's still open.
www.solarium.com.br

[Macunaima]

Liucio,

With all due respect, many of your salary quotes are WAAAAAY the fuck off. Minimum wage in Brazil right now is 167 a month. NO doctor, with the possible eception of a rank intern in residency, makes only 5 minimum wages a month.

Hell, man, I get paid almost 600 reais a month for teaching two classes as a substitute prof at a public university. Do you REALLY think an anthro who's basically a teacher's assistant makes almost what a doctor makes for 10 hours of in-class work a week? Come on, man!

As for managers and the like, 500 R$ is a more reasonable wage. Fuck, my MAID gets paid 100 reais a month to clean my apartment four hours, once a week, and she's charging cheap!

My research - and it has been quite etensive and I speak very fluent Portuguese - indicates that even a relatively unnattractive woman working in a good termas will pull down something like 1,500 Reais a month - in the off-season. The twins at Centaurus can probably make something like 8 times that during Carnaval. You are SERIOUSLY underestimating wages and pro's pay here in Rio. Your stats might be reasonable for somewhere in the Amazon, say, but not in this burg.

"As far as the women agreeing together as the OIL CARTEL. It is true I have heard it from new comers they have been told to start negotiating at $R150."

I can definitely confirm this one.

"I would like to know if any reported robber has ever been caught apprehended."

Several, actually. Just usually not immediately.

"I seen many of those police talking on their cellular with their back turned away from the problem corners such as the corner where BOB's is located."

Welcome to Rio. Don't feed the civil service workers.

Re: boat bust. You ask: "Was any BRASILIANS arrested?"

Contrary to what Chignon says, all forty prostitutes were arrested and taken down to the station house where they were released without charges. If anyone has any info regarding what happened to the male dual citizen, I'd dearly love to hear it.

"Were there any DRUGS found?"

No.

"Were the girls under of age?"

No.

"How many guys involved?"

29 and a photographer.

"And the most important who did the raiding was it the LOCAL POLICE or FEDERAL POLICE?"

The Feds.

"Please list where we can read about this 2nd hand. What newspaper?"

Either here or on the crime board, I posted a complete translation of the O Globo report on the 12th of June. You can find it there.

"If anyone knows why the woman is not being robbed during a robbery please post."

Mostly because the criminals know that the women will be around there day in and day out all year long and you won't. You will probably go away in a week or so. Moreover, the police take crime against Brazilians much more seriously, not because of prejudice, but because they know that actually finding and busting these guys is not always easy and one needs witnesses to come in and fill in the appropriate papers and etc. Gringos are here today, gone tomorrow. They want justice to magically and instantly occur and when it doesn't they throw up their hands, ***** about "Brazilian corruption" and go back to whatever they were doing. They do not want to take time out of their rotine and even those that do will usually not follow up on the problem. The women, on the other hand, know who's out there and are well known. A kid who rips one of them off might find himself lookijng down the wrong end of a 9mm some dark night and I guarantee you that know cop will investigate his death. The kids know this and thus avoid ripping off people who are liable to cause them trouble.

"I would like to know the marrage numbers."

There are no such numbers and anyone who cites them to you is talking straight out their asshole.

"The gentlemen who married his wife years ago, had actually put her on his credit card. She had a Chase Credit card a CO-PURCHASER on his account. To her credit, she never abused the card. And years later after he married her. And now they have four children total - 2 from her previous relations. That's love."

Nope. That's a pro retiring who's realized she's not going to get a better deal. It may also be love, but that is certainly not the main factor that impelled her to leave the life.

"THATS THE DIAMOND IN THE ROUGH you can find even at HELP."

And caveat emptor.

"Was the organizer AMERICAN OR EUROPEAN?"

Yank.

"Were these gentlemen on a tour package of some sort? OR where the the MIA PETACA guys."

Meia Petaca, I presume. Note spelling.

"Why would a PROGRAMA tip off the FEDS, those guys are interested in more serious crime."

Actually, busting se tourists when they make it this easy is now all the rage among the Feds. It's quick and gratifying work for them and they get a lot of good press out of it so why the hell not? I would presume that the tip off, like Chignon says, was a GP who was probably pissed off, perhaps because she was snubbed by the boat trip's organizer.

Chignon says: "From second hand credible reports i recieved, this is not accurate. Yes the americans were detained for 12 hours, however, once lawyers and the US Embassy got involved, the charges were dropped against the 28 americans. the alleged crime was not a deportable offense... somehow the garota that made the initial complaint was identified and got her ass severly kicked by another garota, requiring a hospital stay."

Do you have a publically accessible source for that, Chignoin? That is very, very important info for me! No names, no pack drill, of course. But this is quite important. Please PM me!

[Liucio]

In did not see the JAPANESE girl in MAY.

She calls herself ROSA but, her birth name is different. She never goes inside HELP she is always standing outside near the tables.

Some of the girls tell me she has an AMERICANO boyfriend.

I would like to know if anyone has ever hired her personally?

I did not see the little girl CARLDANADA. She sells CHICLETS GUM with her brother.

[Liucio]

I have been to with a girl from RECIFE that demanded to be paid up front and I agreed. She left but then returned she had to give the money to her roommate to take back with her to their small town. She did not want tell me ahead of time. But I over heard her giving my address to roommate on her cell. It all worked out, I had her again later that week. But I would not do it again. It makes no sense and it provides no incentive for good service.

Some girls from BARBARELLA want to be paid in advance especially : ANNA
Yes she is a 10 or 11.

[Liucio]

Chingon

I you any info on a place called SOLARIUM?

It is located in LAGOA.

[Liucio]

Was the organizer AMERICAN OR EUROPEAN?

Were these gentlemen on a tour package of some sort? OR where the the MIA PETACA guys.

Why would a PROGRAMA tip off the FEDS, those guys are interested in more serious crime.

[Java Man]

Liucio:
information on the Boat Bust can be found in the Rio: crime and safety section of this forum. it was originally reported in O Globo. NO Brasilians were arrested. this was a Federal Police Immigration Arrest.
O Globo reported that the americans were fined the maximum: $340 for not having their documents and ordered to leave the country in 3 days, with there visas revoked or restricted.
From second hand credible reports i recieved, this is not accurate. Yes the americans were detained for 12 hours, however, once lawyers and the US Embassy got involved, the charges were dropped against the 28 americans. the alleged crime was not a deportable offense. The PF themselves stated in O Globo that they did not find evidence of the original complaint: no minors and drugs present, nor evidence of pandering.
somehow the garota that made the initial complaint was identified and got her ass severly kicked by another garota, requiring a hospital stay.
the last i heard was that the organizer of the event was still held, but would be released shortly.

[KnifeFish]

You are correct to each, his own.

If you do not want to pay $R300 move on.

If you agree to pay $R300 then pay.

I think next year willing be a pivotal year where everything slows down considerably.

With the brazen uptick in crime in COPA. And the shake downs by the police.
And the price increase in hotels fees, oil, airlines and lower EURO and DOLLAR. The supply should go down.

I think we all agree that there will be someone willing to pay 3 $EUROS for a bottle of water in the airport.

You're probably right, although the major reason for the strong real is that their interest rates are set currently at 19.75%. The high oil price and the recent trade deals with China have also pushed the real up.

[Liucio]

I would like to know the marrage numbers.

I only know of the marriages that resulted between meetings.

There was a guy that married the woman form CENTAURUS TERMA.

And there are two guys that I knew ( only from previsous visits ), that married programa girls.

Theres a huge trust factor involved. If she's not earner that kid of money in a salon, or as a cashier what will she do when you return. And will you agree to continue to send her money.

The gentlemen who married his wife years ago, had actually put her on his credit card. She had a Chase Credit card a CO-PURCHASER on his account.

To her credit, she never abused the card. And years later after he married her.

And now they have four children total - 2 from her previous relations.

That's love.

THATS THE DIAMOND IN THE ROUGH you can find even at HELP.