FKK Oase - Burgholzhausen

[Tony70]

Thank you Euro 100,

Are the HA involved in running Planet Happy Garden or Goldentime?

[Euro100]

HA = Hell's Angels
Formerly a rough motorcycle gang.
Probably running FKKW, but definitely not Oase.

[Tony70]

For Peter

"The reason I do not like the number of Romanians is that it reeks of a trafficking operation by HA. Many german girls won't work there because of the HA, and the tendency of many members to seek to pimp girls (not in this club, but in general) and they want nothing to do with any HA whatsoever"


Hello Peter,
What is HA? Have you found that there are guys actively trying to recruit and pimp girls in the clubs like Goldentime and Planet Happy Garden? On Dutch website recently, there was a claim that a girl at Goldentime was pimped and a huge debate blew up about sex trafficking and pimping. Discussing these issues opens up a can of worms and and on occassion brings up moral issues, i.e what would you do if you knew a girl was being forced to work in an FKK club....

On a different note, many thanks for sharing your German experiences and thoughts with us. You seem to have the "inside track" and get on well with the ladies and club owners!

All the best Tony70

[CBGBConnisur]

I beat the living crap out of a German pimp a few days ago around Koln, I have discovered that German guys are largely very feminine, especially compared to Russian and Australian dudes who who I am more accustomed to dealing with in New York and Sydney. The Arnold Schwarzenegger stereotype of German men is bullshit, girlie men is the more appropriate term.

[Routard]

I agree in a way with Peter. I'm also sensitive about what's happening "behind the scene". I feel unconfortable hobbying when it becomes obvious that girls are exploited and forced to do it, or if they have no other economical choice like in Third World countries. At first view, the FKK scene seems to be one of the "cleanest" scene in the world, as it is fully legal, secured and in a wealthy country. FKK girls seem not to be drug addicted, have mostly very interesting personality and seem to enjoy their work.

Well, this may be true sometimes, but not always when you get to know better the girls. The Eastern European girls seem to be more likely to have pimps than the German. The bigger clubs in Frankfurt seem to be more controlled by pimps than the smaller ones or the ones in the NRW area. A FKK girl told me that they are even inside the club, as regular customers. They are either German or from Eastern Europe, wearing golden chains, and try to catch the girls who have not yet a pimp. It happened to me several times that a girl in an FKK asked to me if she could stay with me only for company till closing time. Friendship, tired of working or need for protection?

No idea also if there is a direct link with the managers of the clubs. Probably not, but they must know each other and have some kind of agreement.

I know all this is a sensitive issue. I tried to know some more about it when a girl asked me advice if it was safe enough to go to work in an FKK. Do some of you have a clearer idea about how things are going on?

[Peter]

Novize,

If I knew that about Sylt, I would have stopped there on my way down to Austria. It was the first club I ever went to and still holds a special place in my heart.

To the others,

I know the line up can change, which is why I say "Now". But Oase has stayed particularly consistent across the 15 or so visits I had. I had a feeling I was going to meet Mascha again, but it sadly did not happen. It was Bea that I was to meet again, but that is more friendly and we rarely go to a room.

The reason I do not like the number of Romanians is that it reeks of a trafficking operation by HA. Many german girls won't work there because of the HA, and the tendency of many members to seek to pimp girls (not in this club, but in general) and they want nothing to do with any HA whatsoever. This leaves them with not so many local girls working there, and product needs to be there.

I know all clubs actively recruit in areas. Some of my favourite club owners from the NRW area have faned out to Lithuania and Sao Paolo Brazil to find some new talent. There are ways of getting talent that I don't object to, and ones I am scared of. The high propensity of girls from a country heavily underrepresented at other clubs makes me worry if that border has been crossed.

That is all

[Novize]

since August DFK and BBBJ are not charged extra anymore at Sylt. They adjusted their prices to the Colosseum and Rhine-Main-area pricing structure.

Have fun,

Novize

[CBGBConnisur]

The pricing structure of most NRW area clubs is similar to Frankfurt, 50EUR is the average rate for a half hour which includes kissing, bbbj, and sex. The only area where it deviates is in Bavaria, at FKK Sylt, bbbj is not standard and is an extra 50 EUR. If you want more time at most NRW clubs you will simply pay double, except at PHG or Goldentime where its 75EUR for an hour( I couldn't get a crack wh*ore in New York for that much money back in the day). At Babylon and Wiago, the first session is 80EUR and the second is 65EUR, if you want double time, you pay 145EUR total. Some Babylon women, Leila in particular offer CIM and a few other things for extra cash. Germany is dirt cheap for this kind of hobby, a good club near my home costs about 200EUR for the same kind of service at a club in Germany(half hour of sex with bbbj and french kissing). Then again most German clubs with the exception of World and few others tend to be very low overhead, they are simply residential homes used as brothels. One club near my home has a glass floor with an aquarium full of exotic fish including maneating sharks, it reminded me of a James Bond film. So while your fucking you can see the sharks underneath you. BTW the next 007 is an Australian.

[Iseeu]

Good description. I like Oase's rawness, the excitement in the air, the sex dripping off the chintsy walls and upholstery, the in-your- face sexuality, the sex in the sauna, jacuzzi, bar, kino, wherever. It doesn't have the swankiest facilities, or most ideal location, or better food, but this club just consistently gets it right. And even with downturns now and then, the sp lineup is more or less consistent, no surprises. Basic law of economics - barring other conditions, if there is a decent business model, which doesn't change, and the demand curve stays the same, maintaining a standard level of product is good for business.

FFM pricing vs. NRW pricing - I don't find this to be an issue, maybe I'm not as price sensitive, once I get to an FKK. Yes the 50 Eur upgrade is double the 25 Eur upgrade, but I doubt if most sessions go the extra yard. The opposite side of the coin is that some sp in NRW clubs, try to keep the sessions to the basic time since the additional time in the room "costs" them, as they could theoretically be in a new 1/2 hour session and making 50 Eur. And at the FFM clubs there's usually a greater variety of things to do during "down" time.

[Optimist]

Just to add a perspective. In my opinion and limited experience...

My last visit to Oase was early morning followed by a quick drive (under 30 minutes) to World. Preference between clubs is a matter of personal taste and the atmosphere on the day.

The big differences are that the Oase atmosphere is more relaxed - you are not always exposed to the eyes of forty girls like you are in the main room at World. But it is easier to relax at World as there are places to chill out. Oase also has a wider range of girls - more plastic tits, wider ethnic mix - but World has a wider age range. It all depends who takes your fancy. The wider experience of the girls at Oase and the cosier atmospher is I think why there is much more public sex at Oase. At World many of the girls are young and consider anything other than going to a room for the most conventional of sex to be a perversion

The Rumanian thing at World is often overstated. There is still a wide ethnic mix. And yes, the high turnover does lead to some sharp practice (recently I read of a complaint about Karina for providing poor service and then demanding a tip!). Whereas at Oase there seems (to me) to be also occasiona really bad service from a hardened worker. Oase does not seem to take complaints as seriously as World.

Ortos - Magda "a rotten young scoundrel" - is that affectionate.? I found her to be fine - but with a penchant for choosing muscled young American visitors (which excludes me)

Conclusion - like Dedalus and Ortos say - you pay your money and take your own choice. If I were in Germany now I would be exercising my investigative powers.

[Ortos]

Peter, Dedalus and anyone else tuned in here:

This is a most interesting discussion.

Reading Peter's comments about Oase, esp. how you haven't been there in about a year or so and suddenly finding it so, so good --maybe top club in Deutschland-- and then finding Palace so lacking...All this made me think: You know, these 3 clubs in Frankfurt area can ebb and flow just like the tides. Each club can wax and wane like the moon. It really depends on timing. I say this because when I land in Frankfurt for a multi-day FKK binge, I always make a point to visit all three clubs in quick succession, sometimes over two days, just to get a quick assessment of the line-ups at each club before I decide to "nest" into one club or another.

I've found over the past two years that I more often than not begin with Oase and end up there again and again. It is my old standby club and the one I first visited. But at other times I have had great, great times and have encountered exceptional line-ups at both World and Palace.

One should not put too much weight to the current decline of Palace. This club is not a summer club and visiting Palace is in August is like trying to ski at Aspen in May. Go back to Palace during the cooler months and you will perhaps be treated to the best lineup in DE.

This Romanian thing at World: Well all of us who know and Love World would agree that the field there is Romanian dominated. But I personally feel the critism leveled at World about this is over-stated and not valid. Yes there are more Romanian girls at World than any other nationality. So what? Yes there are cliques there, but so are there everywhere. But there are completely different types within the Romanian cadre: Top, top-notch erotic experiences like with Daniella and Ramona, to rotten young scoundrels like Magda and Alexandra to many many other types. My point: At the end of the day, when I am in any of the clubs I judge the girls I encounter and scrutinize for possible session material as Individuals not members of a certain ethnic group. If you go to a club like World and swim in a sea of Romanian girls, you have to know how to pick the right fish. It doesn't so much matter whether 4 or 5 girls out of 10 might be from Romania, but more important is the individual look, persona and performance characteristics irrespective of her passport.

Ortos

[Niky99]

Hello,

I will be in Frankfurt from 19-22 August and I plan to visit Oase.

It's my first time to Oase (I've only been to Palace once, in April ) and would like to meet with other mongers if possible. I also plan to visit World durring my stay.
I will have a car rented so I can also assure transportation from Frankfurt.

Contact me on private.

Niky

[Dedalus]

Peter,

I too, am an Oase fan. However I have to be in a special mood. Both clubs have a "wild side" but Oase in general can be a bit more raw. I like this sometimes. Open sex pretty much anywhere; outside, Kino, the bar(I have seen this!) by the pool, etc.

Whether this has to do with the clientele or the girls is a topic of debate.

Oase nearly always has a good line-up, yet it varies a lot and it can be difficult to know which strings to pull. There are quite a few very attractive girls at Oase whose service is less than worthwhile. I do admit that this is the case at many other clubs as well.

It is unfortunate that the Romanian band at World has such a poor reputation. There was a time late last year that there was a group a gypsy bandits at both Oase and World who made many people nervous, but those days seem to have passed and the majority Romanian girls at World are pretty darn good providers. Peter, you in particular would find a few of these Romanian dolls to be easy on the eyes, for quite a few are just your type!
The last time I was at Oase, a few girls told me that they preferred working there than at World because there were too many Romanians at Pohlheim. I heard and hear this a lot and I wonder if there is a sort of turf-war going on.

The atmosphere at World laid back compared to Oase. Mind you, it can still be pretty wild, especially if Daniela, Magda, or Olga start to go loco. But the "Eyes Wide Shut" vibe that you describe at Oase is a spot-on description that is pretty unique to that place.

Too bad about Palace. The place suffer in the summer but starting in September it should be good again. I hear that Cindy is still on vacation and no one that I know has seen Marina in awhile.


(A bit off topic) CBGB's posts while, in my opinion pretty inane and useless (really Peter, has he mentioned anything that has been helpful to you?) are not offensive to me. This is why I have not jumped on the bandwagon to get him banned. I too, find Howard Stern, Rush Limbaugh, Bill O'reily, Laurel and Hardy, Bevis and Butthead, Bozo the Clown, Dr. Laura and the entire crew of "*******" idiotic but entertaining. CBGB, play on.

Cheers,

Dedalus

[CBGBConnisur]

The atmoshphere in the Ruhr clubs is generally a turnoff. If you want to get an idea of what the Playboy mansion is like, try FKK World, since it bears a passing resemblance to the PB mansion in California. I prefer smaller and more intimate clubs because you get better service in these establishments. The Hessen area clubs usually have an international clientele, and therefore you will get a very international bullshit attitude from the women.

[Peter]

"which of these 3 clubs should i visit?"

to all newbies on this part of the forum, stop asking this inane question! it is getting on my nerves more than any of cbgb's posts!

there is no fucking definitive answer!

i went to palace and oase yesterday for the first time in a year.

i did not like the line up of palace at all. they have dark lighting and they know why. lots of older fatter girls, and no real stunners i could pick out. the ambiance is decent.

regarding accessability of world (which i agree is too sterile) in the bild it says that have an hourly free shuttle from the adac messe building in frankfurt out to the club from 9pm until 2am with a number to call 0160-6770206 so that might solve some people transport problems.

i went o oase and was blown away by the lineup and the atmosphere. this is really the best club i have been to in a while. it has been a year since i have beent here, but it is looking strong. the parking lot was jam packed at 11pm and i had to wait for a spot. they have a tonne of new rooms, with too many mirrors for my liking, but otherwise good. even with all the new rooms, you still have to wait as the girls are going to rooms a lot. i know a girl who works here and used to work up in the nrw area. she is earning twice as much.

they have changed the pricing strategy for the girls. the girls now pay 65€ entrance fee which includes sleeping over and is the price if you don't dance. if you dance you pay 10€ less, so 55€. that means they have dropped the 15€ overnight charge. they still have a fine for using the cell phone, but that is good. with the lower price for the girls they have attracted some good talent, and i hear there are 150 girls in rotation there.

the atmosphere was good, with the orgy thing going on in the kino, the main show and contact rooms going gangbusters. it has that "eyes wide shut" private orgy party atmosphere.

i haven't been down the frankfurt way in a long time, but oase was worth it.

i hit 3 clubs across germany in one day, and oase is now back at the top of my list. the variety is what will keep it ahead of world. i have also heard from quite a few girls that hell's angels are back out in the clubs a lot. it would seem that i might not be the only one to want more variety than only romanian girls (the ha own world fyi). i saw 4 ha in palace, and the girls in oase told me there have been a lot coming in in the last 3 weeks.

all in all i would say oase is the best club around at the moment, but there is no definitive answer to which one to go to. the lineups can change and it depends on how mobile you are and what time frame you have.

i still don't like the price structure in the ffm area so much. i spent 1 1/2 hours in the room with [CodeWord901] (18y/o german girl) and what would have cost me 100€ in this area set me back 150€. considering most of it was just talking this was hefty. in the frankfurt clubs i feel the need to keep track of money, which i don't ever worry about in this area.

i also went to colosseum in augsburg, which i thought felt like a fucking factory. purpose built for fucking. the pool and saunas were nice, the rooms were ok except for the vinyl mattress covers, and the talent was decent (although not many my particular taste). but the place was quite sterile. on the very good side they told 3 guys to come back in an hour as the place was too full as i left. with 17 girls they were only letting in 30 men. i thought this was quite fair, although not so great news to hear when you aren't let in and there is zero other clubs around.

leoni from phg was working there. not my type, but many love her.

went with a very professional cute tiny german named diana. killer bod, decent face, too much make-up but only passable service. there was no food, which sucked, but might have been the time (3-5pm)