FKK Oase - Burgholzhausen

[Novize]

pimping is a non-theme in a forum.

We will never be able to discuss this issue in detail - pimping is not a profession in Germany, its a crime! So most of us will never have a detailled insight into the scene, because the guys take care that confidential things are kept confidential. And dont believe the girls too much! They will tell you everything they think you´d like to hear - hoping they´ll get a session, a regular customer or just a nice gift. At least 80% of all the stories I heard in the last to years didn´t stand examination.

Working as a prostitute is legal in Germany - but even the citizens of EU-countireis need a residence and work permit. Citizens of the "old" EU-countries have a legal claim to get both, citizens of the "new" EU-countries have a claim on the residence permit only. They have a legal right to work self-employed, but it´s not easy to get the necessary papers from the german authorities - especially not for the prostututes. Citizens of Bulgaria and Romania face the same situation.

Except for the marriage case Beffen mentioned, the "boyfriends" don´t provide legal papers to the girls.

[Tony70]

Chivaz,

Thanks for you information. I understand now why some girls only stay less than three months and them "pop back home". One FKK working Russian girl told me that she apply's for a visa in France and then she travels to Germany to work because France is a little eaiser for visa applications.

Euro 100

Yes looks can be deceiving. I was in PHG last year sitting at the bar and a guy smiled at me and said "Yakuza". He was making references to my oriental appearence. I just ignored him but would have kindly spoke to him in plain english. And yes I just an ordinary Joe with an ordinary life.

This topic has been of Pimps etc has been interesting and educational. Yes it does take the fun out of P4P on occasion. On a certain Dutch website there has been an uproar and furious debate about pimps and sex trafficking etc.....

[CBGBConnisur]

The russian mafia is the most powerful organization in the world, it does whatever it wants all over Europe, it operates in the US with complete impunity. I have seen a lot of Russians in New York, the police and LE always leave them alone.

[Euro100]

Well, of course any club can be run by a criminal organization, just like any other business. And I am sure that many are. I knew the Atlantis owner a bit, and I was not surprised when all the charges against him surfaced towards the end.

But most of the people that own the clubs realise that they make most money if they run the place cleanly. I know one of the Oase owners. He cares about his place and tries to keep everything honest. He has no trouble with the police, and he tries to keep it this way. Oase has been in business for a very long time, and I believe that it is because they try to keep it clean.

Of course each club has to have some muscle in the background. But it is imperative that they do not flaunt these guys. That would make the male customers uncomfortable. Even the Hell's Angles realize what's good for business. This is why the customers see only female employees, almost entirely.

And by the way, looks can often be deceiving. I once saw a guy enter FKKW, and he was a scary sob. At least 260 pounds, 1.9 m tall, muscle-packed, shaven head, tattoos all over the place. One of the girls I know fairly well came up to him and made a big friendly to-do about him. So I though that he must be one of the Hell's Angels guys and probably her pimp. Well, I am curious and made a point of talking with her, trying to find out more about the guy and what his relationship with her was. Well, it turns out that she just knows the guy from her private life. I don't want to give too many details, but the story she was telling me was easy to verify, and it was true. The scary-looking dude was actually working a completely normal job.

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[Henio]

Hi Tony,

The followinf is a bit off topic, but what the fuck, most of the discussion nowdays is off topic anyways so here goes:

Only those from countries outside the EU (actually outside the EEA) need work permit (physicians also need work permit EU residents or not). Poland (along with Lithuania, Latvia, Hungary, Estonia) became part of EU last year.
So called "transitional regulations" apply for those countries. I am not sure what that exactly means, but during the transition time, you need to apply directly to the foreigners authority in your future place of residence for a residence permit (which also grants access to the labour market).

The reason you will find many girls from non EU countries taking vacation every 3 months is because they do not need a residence visa is for stays less than 90 days (they are not allowed to work during those 90 days though, but still do).

Bulgaria and Romania have completed EU negotiations and are set for membership in 2007. Romanians can enter Germany without visa as of 1.1.2002. Bulgarians can also enter without visa. People from both of these countries have to apply for work permit in Germany.

I am not sure what the lenth of work permit for non-EU residents is in Germany. The maximum time for issue of work permit in UK is 5 years, but can be extended. I would guess there are similar rules in Germany (but I have no idea though).

Chivaz

[Tony70]

Routard
Many thanks for clearing up this point about security, you are right there is security and they are invisible! As so much for us guests not to notice them.


Beffen1
What you have said about pimping has been very interesting. I guess many girls won't admit they are paying back their debt to their pimp/loverboy.

How long is an official German work permit valid for if someone from say Poland wants to work in Germany as a waitress etc and pays taxes. I know that some of the working girls don't have credit cards so there is no records of their earnings or spending.

[Routard]

FKK are extremely customer minded, of course you will never see bouncer, and you will have nothing to fear, as long as you don't start to be a dick head yourself. But don't be misleaded by this welcoming environment and friendly staff, there IS a though security behind the scene, and everything is video monitored (not in the rooms however). I have seen these guys in Oase, they are REALLY though. Don't know what has happened, but they solved the problem in a very discrete way, without any violence. Later, the police entered also, but most customers didn't even notice it. German efficiency.

But these guys are there for the security of the customers and the girls, they are not to be mixed up with pimps. Most girls in FKK have individual pimps, and those pimps don't even enter in the FKK. Sometimes you will see them at closing time when they come to pick up their girl, that's it.

In most cases, there is no direct relationship between the pimps and the management of the clubs.

Also, don't mix up the managers of the club who are friendly professional people working for their monthly salary and the real shareholders who probably never enter the Club. That's why even if some kind of maffia owns the club, you will not necessary see them.

I raised the question of pimps inside FKK, because I found one of my favorite girl I've learned to know in a Frankfurt Club back in a NRW Club. She told me she had left the Frankfurt Clubs because of the deteriorating environment. There where pimps entering FKK as normal customers, trying to catch the girls who hadn't yet a pimp.

[Tony70]

Just to reassure new readers to the forum(even though I don't post often!) or those wanting to visit an FKK club, the German FKK clubs are warm, friendly welcoming environments, with the staff and girls being very service orientated! I have been to PHG fifteen times in the last 12 months and have never ever felt threatened or uneasy. The staff welcome and greet me with smiles as well as the ladies.

You certainly do not see hard nuts, bouncers, security at PHG. And I haven't noticed any "Russian looking guys" hanging around the bar or the cafe downstairs; what is a Russian looking guy? The only time you see male staff is when they clean the room; you can identify them as they all wear white sock with sandals! In fact I have never seen a hard nut at any of the FKK clubs I have visited included Goldentime, Oase or Bluenote.

Yes I did open up issues about pimps because I was curious and Peter seemed to be knowledgable about "behind the scenes" at the clubs.

Tony70

[Beffen1]

That is a question? Many girls from eastern europe make the choice to work in this profession, but they cannot since they lack the papers. A large number of the girls therefore have "friends", men who facilitate and arranged for them papers, and/or sham marriages to EU males for sums of up to 25,000 euro. The girls must make regular payments on this fee to their "friends" and or sham husbands and get to keep the rest. The " friends" are prone to protect their "investments". It's kind of like a mortgage payment where the girls "mortgage" their futures for the chance to earn in one night what at home they would take a month or more to earn. I do not think there are many if any girls in the German clubs who were tricked into this work, or forced, other than being forced by economic circumstances.

Many others have romantic attachments to boyfriends who use their girls as cash cows.

I have met pimps in World, guys from Southern Europe who bragged about "having" five girls here tonight. They look and act as regular guests but watch the number of girls who fawn over them as they relax in the club. As far as I am concerned, the HA run a class outfit at World and I am grateful. The management of PHG runs a tight ship, ie no pimps around, and I believe the boss is Hungarian.

beffen

[JustGotBack]

All this mob talk makes me remember a time I went to a club in Prague. This was back about 10 years ago. It was away from the city center. I went into this place and there were all these big bouncer types in tuxes. I sit for a while and decide that nothing meets my fancy so I get up to leave. The head bouncer type intercepts me at the door and says in broken English something to the effect of "why are you leaving? sit down and have a good time." I respond that there's nothing I like here. He responds "you're crazy, the girls here a great, sit down". This went on for a while. I had the serious feeling that I was being strong armed to stay although he never touched me.

I remember I saw a Russian looking guy at PHG, I know its definitely mob controlled.

[CBGBConnisur]

I remember I saw a Russian looking guy at PHG, I know its definitely mob controlled.

[Matteo 77]

lets talk about girl !!!!

I'm a usual customer of world, this time i tried Oase....

at midnight of last sun 14 aug, i was there , happy to see a lot of others italians old friend , you know is holidays period in italy now !!!

I had 3 session first with Mona romanian , black hair, slim , green eyes, def my tipe , i would give her a 7++, we starded in the KINO, everything seems to start in the kino @ oase !!!! , good BBBJ , 69, DATY, and we finished doggy.


Then i had 2 sessions with the same girl I really cant remember her name, but she is romanian too,she was blond not really slim so not my tipe i would give her a 6-, but guys when she sucks... you'll lose your mind.... and when she puts her tongue in your asshole, you buy her the apartment next to yours.....

i shoul go back to FRank next monday... so maybe i will go back again

[Tony70]

I guess its a case of "What you don't know doesn't hurt you". If you don't know or put a thought on organised crime playing a part in these clubs, then its not a problem. Do the HA run Planet Happy Garden? I have never scenes a group of biker looking guys there ever. Or even ther faint suggestion of pimps inside PHG. I guess we all look the same as polar bears in bathrobes.....

[CBGBConnisur]

PHG is run by organized crime, I am certain about that. World is run by the Hell's Angels. I know the owner of Atlantis was involved in [CodeWord908], tax evasion, and in possession of cocaine. That's how his entire club went down permanently. I met the owner of Babylon, kind of reminded me of a cross between Einstein and Gandhi.

[Tony70]

Thank you Euro 100,

Are the HA involved in running Planet Happy Garden or Goldentime?