Ho Chi Minh City - General Info

[Pussyrider]

I have been reading messages on this forum for a few years now and I found them to be very valuable. It does not matter where I am in the world, this is the place where I come to for information on P4P.

I have been to Vietnam for a few times now, and I totally love the country. Vietnam is a value for money country if you know where to go. You can find some gorgeous women in clubs, bars, massage palours and karaoke places.

If you stay in a 5 star hotel, they usually have a bar or a night club in the basement, where you pay for one or more girls to sit and entertain you. Generally the cost per girl per hour is $VN150,000, and the services include sitting, chatting & dancing with you, and allowing you to hold and caress them lovingly. If you would like additional services, you could arrange that with the girl or the mamasan. So don't be shy to ask.

The girls in the bars & clubs are expensive, but they are better in terms of business dealing than the ones on the motorcycles. The ones on the Motorcycles are the rejects of the clubs, bars, karaoke and massage palours.

If you pick up a girl from either a bar or a night club and she robs you, you can report her to the manager of the bar/night club. They will ban her from entering the bar/night club (she will turn into a motorcycle girl, running the street looking for you).

Just a few tips on the masseurs. They have a base salary of about $VN250,000 a month (enough for petrol to get them to work only). They live on their tips.

The tips are at your disposal. You dont have to give tips if you dont want to. However, even the locals give $VN100,000 per session to the girls. That is per session of 45 minutes. If you go for 1.5 hrs, that is 2 sessions.

Generally, the going rates for the masseurs are:

Without HJ
you pay for the normal massage plus you tip the girl $VN100,000 (Dong);

With HJ
you pay for the normal massage plus you tip the girl $VN150,000 (Dong);

Now, the normal masssage would cost around $VN100,000 for 45 minutes. This allows you to use the steam room, the sauna, the cold & hot pool. In addition, they will also give you a coffee, tea, water and a small plate of fruit in an air conditioned cinema room while you are waiting for your girl (you tell the attandant the type of girl you like and they will try to please you) or waiting for yourself to total relax before your massage.

When the massage has finished you can stay and watch a movie, have a coffee, tea, water and fruits as well as use the heath facilities again, and for as long as you like.

There are lots of girls (sometimes 25-30 girls) at these premises. And they take turn to make their livings. Once a girl has finished with a customer, she has to wait for 25-30 customers to come through before it's her turn again to earn some money. This sometimes can be up to 3 or 4 hours.

The masseurs work between 10 to 12 hours a day and earn between $VN300,000 and $VN500,000, assuming that the average tip is $VN100,000 per session. The earnings will be 50% less if the average tip is $VN50,000.

The owner only allow these girls to work 3-4 days per week - on alternative days -, as they want their premises to have as many selections as they could. And when these girls get older or gain a bit of weight, the owner will terminate their employment.

Most masseurs will not sleep with you, but some will if they like you. I have picked up a few chicks from the massage parlours. They came to my hotel after their shifts and stay till the morning. They did not ask me for any money, but I gave them some.

I hope this will help you when you are in Vietnam.

[Dugalococamo]

I went to a haircut place. And just got a regular shave. No massage or anything. Anyway it was getting a little late and I was telling the girl that I was traveling and didn't know the area well and needed to find a hotel. She said she could help me find one. Anyway we went out and had some coffee and then she showed me the hotel... She conveniently said she wanted to stay with me. :) She didn't want to be thought of as a "working girl" so she didn't mention money or anything... Anyway she had the most beautiful body and silky white skin and great in bed... But then she say's "I have to leave very early in the morning to work" She then wanted to sleep - but I could tell she wasn't sleeping ... She was waiting for me to fall asleep.. Sensing her plot I got up and put my shorts on and put my wallet inside them... Then I could a shallow sigh of resignment coming from her... Anyway early morning came my wallet and money intact :) But I did give her 100 thousand as a goodbye gift.

If you keep on your toes you might beat them at their own game hihi. But I've been beaten a couple times too as you saw what happened in my earlier post. The vast majority of the girls I've met are honest at what they do and you have no worries. Just a few of them will try to deceive you in one way or another...

Happy Hunting !

AR,

Good advice bro - Thanks

[Asian Rain]

I noticed that Asian Rain was originally talking about a spot that was around the corner from Le Duan, not perpendicular to it but parallel, and where the road crosses over a bridge. This street is the end of Nguyen Thi Minh Khai, actually named Xo Viet Nghe Tinh at this spot. And on that street, near the bridge, there's another entrance to the zoo, which isn't the main entrance, I think. Not sure.

I have yet to spot any moto girls circling at the main entrance at the end of Le Duan. With the entrance to the History Museum nearby, I would suspect that LE would keep this area clear. Perhaps exceptions occur.

As the night park has opened for kids near the zoo entrance opposite the Mitsubishi dealership on NTMK, the moto girls seemed to have stopped crossing the bridge. I now walk over the bridge and sit on the railing. The best pattern I can discern is that girls start up the street and make the turn around about halfway up the bridge.

Last couple of pickups have been good value... the last one brought me to an aircon hotel that only charged VND50,000 for an hour (woo-hoo!). The last pickup (or do they pick me up?) was great fun because it was her first time to see a video camera. What a star. Have fun, AR+

[Asian Rain]

They were working as a team my girl distracted me while her friend snuck in the room and robbed me. I tested the door, it was very silent. Perhaps the mini-hotel is somewhat in on this too..

Be careful. Never leave your valuables out of your sight even for a couple of minutes.

Sorry to hear about the snake bite! As I previously reported on this scam, please be careful and keep your valuables in sight at all times. You can be sure that the hotel is in on the scam... the second girl would never get in without their help. Indeed, the hotel staff is probably helping to coordinate the scam by providing a room across from yours for the other girl to hide once she has taken your money.

When at the mini hotel, I always personally lock and bolt the door. Never carry more than is necessary to do business. Leave rings/watches/etc. at your hotel. Keep your valuables IN SIGHT at all time. I NEVER PAY in advance... the girls often ask for money up front, I just say "boom boom first, money second." Don't be shy about seeming distrustful... the girls don't trust us mongers either! Even my Vietnamse mamasan in Cambodia warned me about people in HCMC... good advice! Stay secure, AR+

[D Jamm]

This came as a suprise to me, as I did not check the vietnam forums before my trip , which I just came back from. This is because I went with my wife. We were staying at the Continental Hotel, and decided to have a massage one afternoon. The massage girl turned out to be totally hot, and during the massage she massaged the area around my genitals quite a lot, so naturally I was turned on. Then she asked if I wanted a massage 'there', and I just nodded. Anyway, I got a great hj, and I was allowed to fondle her cute body, for a 9 dollar massage, and I tipped her 50,000 dong which she said was little. anyway, the funny thing was my wife was getting a massage in the next room at the same time!

I figure if I ever go again, I'll offer some money for the real thing. I'm sure you guys who visit HCM often know about this , but I was shocked to receive such treatment, and at such a cheap price too.

[Dugalococamo]

dave #2,

i've been here almost 4 years now so i know my way around the area.

if you want something more than a hj the massage parlors won't offer more on the premisis - you'll notice that the door has windows on it. but you may be able to go on a date with one. if she likes you.

you will have pretty good success in the haircut places especially in the suburbs. look for a haircut place where they are dressed a bit sexy and surely they will offer you some services there. probably more than half of the haircut shops in the outskirts will offer and at least half of them you will get a bj. i've turned the bj to "woo hoo" right on the spot in some haircut places. you need to get the girl horny by being romantic and playing with her. i've had some haircut girls call me and they asked me to go to the hotel with them. you've got to give them a fun time and and they will respond.

i know some cafe om's in the suburbs where they will give you a all out fully naked bj for 50 - 70 thousand dong. look for a small cafe with a couple sexy girls in front and the cafe has no tv or music, very few chairs and tables and sells limited beverages usually only sell "sua dau nanh" and "xaxi" (soy milk and vietnamese style root beer - which is terrible by the way!) probably at half of these places in the outskirts they will beg you to go to the hotel with them. some of them even offer it right on the spot.

in vietnam it's ridiculous, it's quite funny actually, they have so many different "om" places. they are everywhere. bia om, karaoke om, hot toc om, cafe om, massage om, goi dau om, i've even seen a "banh mi opla om" haha quite a way to top of your breakfast! depending on the establishment and how you play it, any of these places can bring you the big score.

the om concept is a part of the vietnamese culture. it's not really the foreigners that are fueling this industry but the vietnamese themselves. when i go to these places i have never seen another foreigner there. only vietnamese.

one thing: please be discreet. people know what you are doing... the police regularly shut down these places and confirep001e their goods. they won't bother the foreigners but they will bother the cafe owners by shutting them down. use it by all means but don't abuse it if you know what i mean.

about getting your bang for the buck. the closer to the city the more expensive. i've had normal looking girls for as low as 50 thousand and stunning looking ones for 100 - 300 thousand in the suburbs and outskirts. also they are more sweet and eager to please than you'll find in the city. it helps if you can speak vietnamese - then you can usually get the "vietnamese" price.

happy hunting

[Dugalococamo]

I'm pissed off! I got my cell phone and all the money taken out of my wallet. Fortunately it was only about $100 and the phone was also worth only about $80. I figured exactly what happened though. But now it's too late to get anything back.

I noticed there was a girl somewhat following me and my girl as we approached our room. Anyway my girl brought me into the room. She coaxed me to leave my clothes in the bedroom but me being smarter (so I thought) - I took them with me into the shower. because I didn't want to leave my valuables alone. Once done showering I brought the clothes back out with me. We did short time. After that she grabbed my arm leading me into the shower, leaving my clothes in the room (a mistake). Thinking it was ok because we were together and I could watch her. Once in the shower she closed the door. Anyway she delays me by giving a bj while leaving the shower water running. We finish... anyway I get into the room and my pants are missing!! Lo and behold they are sitting outside on the step with my cellphone and cash gone. The girl denied everything but how could I prove it.

They were working as a team my girl distracted me while her friend snuck in the room and robbed me. I tested the door, it was very silent. Perhaps the mini-hotel is somewhat in on this too..

Be careful. Never leave your valuables out of your sight even for a couple of minutes.

[Canyon]

i've been going to saigon since 1996 and these are the ways i've tried to find girls:

1. introduction by a cyclo driver: my experience here is hit and miss. if you can find a reliable one, you can get some real finds. upside is that it is usually safe if you know the cyclo driver. downside is that the cyclo driver takes a commission. i've also had mediocre service from girls introduced by drivers i considered reliable. i've also gotten some bum steers from cyclo drivers i've just met. on the other hand, i've had some wonderful experiences through cyclo driver introductions.

2. hai ba trung and other bars: i haven't had good experience here. prices are a little high and girls were not that attractive and service was uninspired. to me, girls here seem somewwhat jaded, while i prefer the cute, amateur types that have that fresh look.

3. on the street: interestingly enough, these have been my best finds. you have to look around, but there are some real attractive ones. sometimes, you can tell by their attitude if they will be good in bed. (there are exceptions, however.) in these situations, i take them to a mini-hotel of my choice. i'm always careful to lock the door and take the girl into the shower with me. i haven't had trouble with theft. i can usually sense a rip-off. i never take a girl to a hotel when i've been drinking. i have found the pham ngu lao area to be a good hunting ground. i haven't tried the zoo, but will do so in november. you can find all types on the street: jaded ones and young, fresh, enthusiastic ones. the trick is to find one who is experienced enough to be good in bed, but not experienced enough to be jaded.

4. massage parlors: i haven't found this to be a good solution. prices are high for limited service such as hj.

5. upscale bars such as new world, caravelle, sheraton, etc.: haven't had much success here. quality and availability are not that high and prices are high and service somewhat low.

i'm sure others have had different experiences. i'd love to hear from you. feel free to pm me with your experience.

quote=elvis1969]poopiemunster,

thanks for the tips. i'm viet kieu too and i'll be working in saigon come mid october. it would be great to have a wingman and someone to grab a few beers with. i'll definitely give you a ring when i get in.

wendella and txmanny,

if you guys want to hang out and show me around, that would be fantastic. don't worry wendella, i'm pretty laid back amd courteous and won't be like your friend who rook the top off of the girl in one of the bars.

and txmanny, i'm from texas too so we may have some things to chat about.[/quote]

[Elvis1969]

poopiemunster,

thanks for the tips. i'm viet kieu too and i'll be working in saigon come mid october. it would be great to have a wingman and someone to grab a few beers with. i'll definitely give you a ring when i get in.

wendella and txmanny,

if you guys want to hang out and show me around, that would be fantastic. don't worry wendella, i'm pretty laid back amd courteous and won't be like your friend who rook the top off of the girl in one of the bars.

and txmanny, i'm from texas too so we may have some things to chat about.

well i am in vietnam now, and like in the past i have carried 2 laptops back while only declaring one. on my last trip i left both of them behind, and was hassled about it, but the 10usd slip was all it took to make things smooth over, although i honestly didn't mean to forget the second laptop, i was just to much in a rush being as i was finishing a st about 45 mins before my flight was to take off.

anyone in hcm want to have a beer or a wingman that is a vietkieu and speaks more then enough vietnamese to get by give me a call on my mobile 090 710 7956 and i have more then enuf contacts for the girls if you want them along with hotels in certain areas.

[Dave #2]

I will be in Saigon late Oct through early Nov and will be staying at a small local hotel near the New World.

Where is the best "bang for my bucks" in Saiogon during the daytime? I am only free during the daytime due to business obligations in the evening times.

Last time I was in Saigon, I pretty much stuck to massage parlors and coulnd't get anything more than a HJ. The massage was very nice and the overall cost was pretty low, but I want something more than a HJ on this trip.

Thanks for any advice - Dave.

[Fun Sex]

AR,

My schedule has been changing a lot lately. Well, I will be in HCM city October 5 to around November 15-20. PM me if you are in the area a that time.

FS

[Wendella]

I actually drove by that zoo entrance a few times around 9pm in recent days. Nothing. The police do clamp down on these kinds of spots. Sometimes they bounce back after a dormant period and sometimes not. I believe you saw what you saw, definitely, but I have a feeling it's been shut down. There used to be a spot out near the airport like that, at the end of Le Van Sy street, that was very active for a long time. It doesn't exist anymore. Nguyen Thai Hoc at the end of Pham Ngu Lao street was another active spot that is finished now.

[Asia Rocks]

Thanks FS,

I might be back in HCM in December so PM me when you will be there. Could be fun to co-monger.

One thing I forgot to mention is, that before I figured out the 11:00 girl in the room drill, on two occasions I insisted on use of a back room and was accomodated on both occasions for FS. Not exactly your 5 Star hotel, nice shower, comfy bed experience, but a learning experience and maybe convenient if you do not have hotel in the area. I have, after two not-so-good experiences, avoided mini-hotels, maybe easier for you, but see earlier post.

Cheers, AR

AR,


I just asked a Vietnamese friend who goes back to VN every single year for the past 5 years. He stays there at least 2 months at a time. He gave me some tips very very similar to yours.

This year, I am kinda lucky. I am going back there the same time as he does. He will go with me the first couple times and will show me around the town. I grew up in HCM city, but I left the country for a long time. So, everything is different now.

Anyhow, I will let you guys know when I get back from VN in December.

Thanks again AR.

FS

[Saigon Sam]

Hey FS,

I agree with AR. Things are different now and FS in MP's are hard to find. The last time I found FS in HCMC was in '96. These places that use to have FS are no longer in operation or they do not offer FS anymore. The nearest place you will find FS in MP's is in Vung Tau. If you visist Danang, many MP's will offer FS too. Don't wast your time in HCMC for this type of thing. Anyway, have a good time in Vietnam.

Btw, if you do happen to find a FS place in HCMC, don't post the name of the place. The local LE has access to this site too!

I have read couple of posts about massage palor in the past. However, do you guys have any new intel about message palor in HCM city recently? I will be there within a month. I need the FS kinda place. Most importantly, I am trying to stay away from LE.

Thanks,

FS

[Fun Sex]

AR,

I just asked a Vietnamese friend who goes back to VN every single year for the past 5 years. He stays there at least 2 months at a time. He gave me some tips very very similar to yours.

This year, I am kinda lucky. I am going back there the same time as he does. He will go with me the first couple times and will show me around the town. I grew up in HCM city, but I left the country for a long time. So, everything is different now.

Anyhow, I will let you guys know when I get back from VN in December.

Thanks again AR.

FS