Ho Chi Minh City - General Info

[John05]

I work with a lot of Vietnamese. They all agree that you can get quite a few sex workers with no problem. They also all agree that there are many girls out for money and an American passport. Even Vietnamese who go back to Saigon to get a wife usually end in divorce after a short time. Their advice is to look for a girl from the provinces and to take your time. I can tell you that advice is defnitely true for Bangkok as well. Must be the city versus the suburbs mentality.

[El Frances]

James Tran

Didn't you realise I was joking at Duggins? (sorry for that Duggins).
I do not share the optimism expressed by other members about getting freebees in vietnam if people stay short time. I also had some freebees but I found out that most of them had a longer (or shorter) term goal. OK, anything may happen, but I doubt many young viet girl would sleep with a man knowing that he would go back home after a few days and leave them with no prospect for a longer term relationship, or any undirect reward (such as paying hospital expenses for a close family member).

I agree with you on most of your comments. But I guess real classy girls (and others) may also like someone who's gentleman, educated, with a sense of humor....

[White Monkey]

For the love of the chase.

As Asia opens up with economic expansion and the effects overworking and debt have on society there are many more young women looking for the attention that they don't get it at home. Families will workign parents are not that traditional anymore. The results...more gals looking to do "bad things".

I think that pulling a legit Vietnamese gal is much easier than other Asian monger areas like Thailand, etc.

Of course in all of these situations you have to put in a little effort and understand the culture. And you have to realize that there is a lot more to gain for a Vietnamese gal to pull a "tay" than a Thai gal to pull a "farang".

I have nailed a dozen or so local, educated Vietnamese, even uni students. I am about the same age as you, bta looks, traveled and educated. I have found some of them have been wild too, like "cum on my face or fuck my ass" kind of attitude. Many of them I met online, but others are to be found in the hip areas like in District one where the upwardly mobile, nuveau riche are intersted in western tail.

Hit the malls in the area, during the day and coffee shops/meeting areas at night, and be friendly and give it some time.

I’d like to talk about a topic that doesn’t get much “play” here—meeting "regular" girls in Ho Chi Minh City. I’m just as much of a monger as most on this site, but as someone who’s fortunate enough due to my work to be living in Medellín, Colombia, I have easy access to inexpensive working girls as often as I want, so my passion for the pro scene these days is not nearly as high as it would be if I were living in the USA and taking a vacation to Vietnam.

Sex with hot young working girls is something in which I indulge once or twice per week here in Colombia, and I don’t anticipate that I will do a great deal of mongering in Vietnam. Maybe I’ll go for a haircut or massage with a happy ending, but mongering is not the focus of this trip. I want to have fun in a foreign country, experience the people and the culture, and maybe meet some “normal” girls.

So, my questions are as follows:

1) How receptive are most Vietnamese girls to Caucasian Americans? To give you a background on me, I’m 35 years old (look younger) and am better than average looking.

2) Which places in Ho Chi Minh City are the best places to meet regular girls? Obviously, shopping malls and other similar places would be on the list. Are there any in particular that are recommended?

I will be in Vietnam for 2-4 weeks, depending on how I like it. Any advice would be appreciated. I would also be interested in hearing from some Viet Kieus who might be interested in getting together during my trip, which will have me arriving in HCMC on Dec. 2. I plan to learn as much Vietnamese as I possibly can prior to the trip, but I know that whatever I know won’t be enough.

Thanks!

[Silly Puppy]

You said :"Any regular vietnamese girl would be happy to meet a 35 years old caucasian american...... willing to marry her"

This is purely imaginary. It is true that many girls are dying to get out of the country so they are willing to marry anyone who can offer them the ticket. Many girls pick Caucasian only because they don't have a choice. They prefer Vietkieu (Viet expat) to Caucasian. This is not to put Caucasian down but the Viet normally look down on girls going with foreigners. And also language barrier makes them like Vietkieu more.

Classy girls pick foreigners only if the foreigners are extremely rich or handsome. Average girls have not much choice so any Caucasian will do. Old Caucasian have more chance with prostitutes than with normal Viet girls.

[Wanderer2005]

Wendella was right, the migration route has changed!

From 9-12:30 its apocalpyse. All the fish was swimming well here
Woman content definitley went up, looks like all the Sahara fish ended up here. Hooked up with one just for the ride, to see where the herd was migrating for the night. Music was good, fish was plentiful.
Lots of pros and semi pros.

Come 11:45-12:45 they head to Lost in Saigon for the night. (till about 4pm)
Not all the fish swam this way, so it makes me wonder if there is another fishing hole open somewhere else? another bar in pham Ngu Lao?
Lost is saigon is waaaaaaay too small, bumper to bumper all the way. At least the alcohol is cheap. many drunk australian women here, unfortunatley not into heavy set women.

OK so decided to explore other places.

Vivas
69 Huynh Thuc Khang, Dist 1

Smaller place, good dancing lights. not many fish to purchase.But lots of women in groups of 3-4 having the night out (freebies). This was very intresting will explain more later. Drink were priced O.K

Moved to Volcano.

Definetley busier since my last visit. Huge dance floor, get a table on the floor, the music and lights have quite an affect.
Many fish here....

2 levels.

The escort class, usually in black or red clothes, long eyelashes, looks very obvious.
The semi pro class, harder to tell, but usually in pairs of 2-3, less drinks on the table, occasional dancing, not that well dressed.

Now the freebies are the real interesting ones. Took me a little while to break down the code.

They are usually in 2-3 groups. Lots of drinking and dancing, basically partying to the max. They will never look at you direct (must be a VN thing) but rest assured if you are looking at them, they are looking at you. They all have real jobs somewhere so they are not desperate, just looking for a BF. Most of them speak resonable english.

Ok so they will never make the first move. If they smile that a sure comeon sign else Barge right into the group, intro yourself and buy them all a round of drinks, dance with them. ALL of them, not just the one you like. (Another strange titbit, their friends must like you for them to go out with you again, for this money must be spent and fun must be available).

Almost no chance to have a freebie on the first night. They always go home together, must be a self protection system! This will happen on a couple more trips, and many text messages and then she will go out with you alone with a possible touchdown. It takes an average 3-5 outings to get anywhere and then if free after that. (OK dinner and partying required).

Oh! if fish lives with parents, freebies are almost impossible.

There is a 30-40 YO level of freebies whom do not have any of these rules. They also party in same packs. same night freebies are possible if they like you and feel you are safe. They are more difficult to decipher, some are married, some are not, but all well educated and well heeled. Dressed conservatively.

Met a bunch of these women, they appear to be the upper level of VN club society. One was a teaches at the local international school, vixen in bed when the lights was off. Totally exhausted by morning. In the morning she looked like an average mild mannered english teacher!

Freebie fishing actually quite easy and more entertaining, it just takes longer and patience. Caught almost all my fish this way lately, but you need a rolling stock developing at all times!

[El Frances]

1- Any regular vietnamese girl would be happy to meet a 35 years old caucasian american...... willing to marry her. She would probably first introduce him to her parents....
2- You can meet them anywere, but not so many would speak enough english

[Case Study]

Sahara on Pham Ngu Lao St, District 1 has been closed f
Just put on a smile and talk friendly, the last thing they want to do is take a foreigner to the police station and have to call a foreign embassy to pick them up. All the

A smile will help but the embassy/consulate will not The Vietnamese have no qualms about arresting foreigners just so you guys know. I was fortunate to have gone to Sahara on friday, just one day before it got busted.

I really dont know the reason why they let the foreigners go that night but it's not always the case so be careful.

The last thing the embassy wants to do is get involved in bailing out some foreign party boy. They're under no obligation to bailing out anyone.

[Ultras67]

Hey guys

I will be flying into HCM in a couple of weeks for my first time in vietnam.

Anyone want to meet up and give a noobie a tour for a night?

I will be delving back into the previous posts to see whats what, but its always nice to have a helping hand to find tha paid of er female helping hands and mouth and....



Cheers

[Duggins]

I’d like to talk about a topic that doesn’t get much “play” here—meeting "regular" girls in Ho Chi Minh City. I’m just as much of a monger as most on this site, but as someone who’s fortunate enough due to my work to be living in Medellín, Colombia, I have easy access to inexpensive working girls as often as I want, so my passion for the pro scene these days is not nearly as high as it would be if I were living in the USA and taking a vacation to Vietnam.

Sex with hot young working girls is something in which I indulge once or twice per week here in Colombia, and I don’t anticipate that I will do a great deal of mongering in Vietnam. Maybe I’ll go for a haircut or massage with a happy ending, but mongering is not the focus of this trip. I want to have fun in a foreign country, experience the people and the culture, and maybe meet some “normal” girls.

So, my questions are as follows:

1) How receptive are most Vietnamese girls to Caucasian Americans? To give you a background on me, I’m 35 years old (look younger) and am better than average looking.

2) Which places in Ho Chi Minh City are the best places to meet regular girls? Obviously, shopping malls and other similar places would be on the list. Are there any in particular that are recommended?

I will be in Vietnam for 2-4 weeks, depending on how I like it. Any advice would be appreciated. I would also be interested in hearing from some Viet Kieus who might be interested in getting together during my trip, which will have me arriving in HCMC on Dec. 2. I plan to learn as much Vietnamese as I possibly can prior to the trip, but I know that whatever I know won’t be enough.

Thanks!

[Wanderer2005]

Club 501 Does anyone where this is?

District 6?

I was told this was the next best place to Sahara to go to?

Option 2: some bar in the new world hotel? Catwalk?

Lot of very cute girls in liquid or Rainforest, but these are drink and hugs type of girls, have not tried to take one out yet. Anyone tried?

Agree with lost in Saigon, I think it has become a gay bar.

Whhosh the list is shortening fast

[Wendella]

They were gutting it this week and the owner has decided to turn it into a shop. That's according to staff there, who I talked to. No there isn't anything else like it out there. What you see is what you get. Most of the same people will gravitate to the other places--I saw one of the Sahara regulars at Apocalypse this past week. Like you, they'll be looking for other places to go, and those places will become more like Sahara was as a result. That's how Sahara became what it did. About 2 yrs ago, the police shut down what were the big 3 late night spots (Long Phi, Lost in Saigon and Apocalypse) at the same time, and suddenly the small, dark, quiet Sahara was the one happening place after midnight. The whole backroom area opened not long after that transformation, to accommodate the crowds. A couple months later, Long Phi reopened as a straightlaced quiet bar down the road from its old locale (it was right next to Lost in Saigon before); Apocalypse stuck to closing at midnight rather than 2am, and Lost ... I'm still not sure what happened to Lost in Saigon. Is it a gay bar now? It does still stay open late at least.

[Wanderer2005]

Sahara on Pham Ngu Lao St, District 1 has been closed for the last three weeks now, anyone know if it will reopen?

It went thru a particularily nasty drug raid. I was there when it happend. All off a sudden, the light came on a 1:30 am, and the doors slammed shut. No one was let out of the club. Lost of screaming and shouting.

All the foreigners was set free and the VN were held back loaded up on trucks and sent to the police station. (150+) for drug testing.

I came with two lady friends, when I refused to leave without them, they himmed and hawed and finally let us off the back door. Just put on a smile and talk friendly, the last thing they want to do is take a foreigner to the police station and have to call a foreign embassy to pick them up. All the negotations took about 45 minutes. No money changed hands.

Since I will be in VN for a while it looks like.
Is there another club like Sahara? Was not too impressed with Lost in Saigon or the other backpacker bars.

Almost do not go downtown to D Khot street. The women are too aggressive, you do not enough time to choose anything before you get swarmed for drinks and gum.

Went to Volcano, apocalypse. not impressed.
Gossip, liquid, and rainforest was good, but not quite the same talent and relaxed atmosphere as Sahara. And since I have been here only 4 weeks, any mongerers out there with better options?

Would like some mongering company if anyone is interested. Anyone living in HCMC?

[Pussyrider]

Guys,

I have been to many massage palours in HCM City, but I like the one on level 1 at VIEN DONG hotel on Pham Ngu Lao St, District 1. Remember to tell the attendant the type of girls you like.

Have fun guys.

Pussyrider

[Sixty]

Thanks for your report bro,

Can you recommend some massage parlors with some nice girls and less scam?

Sixty

[Pussyrider]

I have been reading messages on this forum for a few years now and I found them to be very valuable. It does not matter where I am in the world, this is the place where I come to for information on P4P.

I have been to Vietnam for a few times now, and I totally love the country. Vietnam is a value for money country if you know where to go. You can find some gorgeous women in clubs, bars, massage palours and karaoke places.

If you stay in a 5 star hotel, they usually have a bar or a night club in the basement, where you pay for one or more girls to sit and entertain you. Generally the cost per girl per hour is $VN150,000, and the services include sitting, chatting & dancing with you, and allowing you to hold and caress them lovingly. If you would like additional services, you could arrange that with the girl or the mamasan. So don't be shy to ask.

The girls in the bars & clubs are expensive, but they are better in terms of business dealing than the ones on the motorcycles. The ones on the Motorcycles are the rejects of the clubs, bars, karaoke and massage palours.

If you pick up a girl from either a bar or a night club and she robs you, you can report her to the manager of the bar/night club. They will ban her from entering the bar/night club (she will turn into a motorcycle girl, running the street looking for you).

Just a few tips on the masseurs. They have a base salary of about $VN250,000 a month (enough for petrol to get them to work only). They live on their tips.

The tips are at your disposal. You dont have to give tips if you dont want to. However, even the locals give $VN100,000 per session to the girls. That is per session of 45 minutes. If you go for 1.5 hrs, that is 2 sessions.

Generally, the going rates for the masseurs are:

Without HJ
you pay for the normal massage plus you tip the girl $VN100,000 (Dong);

With HJ
you pay for the normal massage plus you tip the girl $VN150,000 (Dong);

Now, the normal masssage would cost around $VN100,000 for 45 minutes. This allows you to use the steam room, the sauna, the cold & hot pool. In addition, they will also give you a coffee, tea, water and a small plate of fruit in an air conditioned cinema room while you are waiting for your girl (you tell the attandant the type of girl you like and they will try to please you) or waiting for yourself to total relax before your massage.

When the massage has finished you can stay and watch a movie, have a coffee, tea, water and fruits as well as use the heath facilities again, and for as long as you like.

There are lots of girls (sometimes 25-30 girls) at these premises. And they take turn to make their livings. Once a girl has finished with a customer, she has to wait for 25-30 customers to come through before it's her turn again to earn some money. This sometimes can be up to 3 or 4 hours.

The masseurs work between 10 to 12 hours a day and earn between $VN300,000 and $VN500,000, assuming that the average tip is $VN100,000 per session. The earnings will be 50% less if the average tip is $VN50,000.

The owner only allow these girls to work 3-4 days per week - on alternative days -, as they want their premises to have as many selections as they could. And when these girls get older or gain a bit of weight, the owner will terminate their employment.

Most masseurs will not sleep with you, but some will if they like you. I have picked up a few chicks from the massage parlours. They came to my hotel after their shifts and stay till the morning. They did not ask me for any money, but I gave them some.

I hope this will help you when you are in Vietnam.