FKK Palace - Frankfurt

[Patricklim1234]

Just a question for the more experienced people. My understanding is that 50 euros buy you 30mins of her time. If I spent 50 euros on a girl and we went into a room doing nothing except chitchatting, that would be well within the 'rules'.

My question then is, to avoid any conflict on whether it was 30mins or 31mins, prior to leaving the room, ask her whether she is charging for 30mins or 60mins. If it was 60mins and you leave in 31mins, drag her back to the bed for another shot. Is this "normal"/"legal"?

Thanks for the reply.

[Rogers]

I haven't read the dispute that's been going on. Please get back to dishing out reports. It's fcking annoying to have to try and filter through that bllshit.

1. Katrina: Blond, medium height and build, implants, russian and late twenties. She is smokin hot. I don't know why there are no reports on this girl. Session was not rushed and her pussy felt great doggie.

2. Lena: Famous czech girl - no desc necessary. Only thing worth note is she let me cum on her face. She likes extras because of the extra cash.

3. Blond Romanian girl - slender semi voluptous body. From a distance looked hot but close up her face was a bit like a mans. Sex wasn't that great. Obviously a forgetable experience.

[Ed Setra]

Reply to Gyg66

Delayed Reply.

When I chatted to her I thought Tiffany looked like Alison Angel, albeit with smaller endowments? Maybe it was my fantasy after a long day (no alcohol involved), and one mediocre South American adventure with Gabrielle, but I thought she was a dead ringer on March 8th. I agree with your assessment of performance, though.

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[DirkDingy]

Gentlemen,

The purpose of this Forum is to provide for the exchange of information between Men on the subject of finding Women for Sex.

Let's get back to the subject.

Thank You,

Jackson

[Whitey2]

e-Frog:

If you are fluent in Latin, look up argumentum ad hominem.

It generally isn't allowed in forum discussions. To call someone a name or try to label them in some category, especially without knowing diddly-squat about the person you are addressing, is just not an appropriate thing to do. You invited an argument, and you know it.

Addendum:
And now you see the results.

[Everhard]

The main thing you are paying for is to have sex with the girl. That costs 50 euros. No one is going to pay 50 euros for 5 or 10 minutes of chatting with a girl unless they are tricked into doing so. That's what we all laugh at people who go to ripoff champagne bars in red light districts for doing.

Well put Catalyst!

If anyone spent 31 minutes with a girl, and if she claims more than 50 euro

1) You had sex the 31st minute, then shut up and pay!

2) You had sex 29 minutes and she chatted with you the two last minutes. Then you are beeing ripped off.

We go to a FKK and pay entrance. For that we expect some value added over a plain RLD experience. One such value added is that you share the time management responsibilites. IMHO.

[Ortos]

Amphibians round the world, unite!

Since we seem to be putting the discussion below to bed, just wanted to sing a parting lullaby:

Although I may be alone in this, I find discussions about such issues rather constructive and, indeed, necessary from time to time.

I also would like to openly compliment eFrog, not only on the accuracy and validity of his points, but also on his very, very good command of the English language. I find any discussion attacking His English-writing skills as unnecessary and rather childish. I think it's great this forum has different accents in it and that there is an international element with contributions from people of diffent cultural and linguistic backgrounds. That is what Fora are all about...How many of us could write posts as good as eFrog's in another language?

I don't think he was being so insulting to Cachorro, just very blunt and to the point.

If there is any insulting writing here it is something like this:

"I'm speculating it's because either

a) you are French and the girl is French and I'm anglophone. So your prejudices are not letting you see the facts..."

That is a complete slur against the French, just like those Republican jerks who refused to eat French Fries but called them "Freedom Fries..." etc, simply because the French didn't agree with them and thought they were wrong, and said so in blunt language.

So now that we have all agreed to put this matter to rest, let's also agree to mutual respect for all contributors and dedicate ourselves to detailed reports.

With that last point in mind, Cacherro should be given strong compliments and commendations because he bothered to post his experiences and point of view in a detailed and articulate manner. Bravo Caherro. Bravo eFrog, Bravo to all!

Now let's get back to reports about the club and the girls, which are experiencing a few problems at the moment. I hope to travel soon to the area to make my own assessments on the state of affairs at Palace and the other clubs...I will not hold back my views and comments from this and other fora...

Ortos

[Catalyst]

The main thing you are paying for is to have sex with the girl. That costs 50 euros. No one is going to pay 50 euros for 5 or 10 minutes of chatting with a girl unless they are tricked into doing so. That's what we all laugh at people who go to ripoff champagne bars in red light districts for doing.

Some people take a long time for sex, sometimes by choice. If you need more than 30 minutes for sex you should pay the extra 50. That is different from chatting.

Some girls like to chat after the session. If the girl wants to chat you should not have to choose between 1 - setting yourself up for an extra 50 euro charge by a mercenary girl or 2 - acting suspicious and saying things like "I only want 30 minutes" or "how long have we been in the room" which spoil the atmosphere with nice girls, who are the vast majority. If she wants to charge you 50 euros for talking she should have to make damned sure you understand and agree to this.

If you complain to management there is a good chance that they will stick up for you. Even if they make you pay the extra money that doesn't mean that they have completely sided with the girl. They might warn her not to let it happen again or if you are not the first to complain they might take some action. And it doesn't cost extra to complain. If you don't complain then you encourage her to keep doing what she is doing. And the other girls who are doing the same work as these bad girls and not getting 50 euro bonuses will start to wonder why they aren't pulling the same tricks.

Going to management doesn't have to be a major confrontation. You can tell the girl that you have a different view about the rules and you are not sure that you are right, so why don't we check with management. It doesn't have to be absolutely refusing to pay the extra money. At the desk you can just say that you are being charged an extra 50 that you didn't expect, if you really owe it you are of course happy to pay, but you would like to know what the rules are so you know what you are agreeing to next time.

[EFrog]

eFrog, I find your comments insulting, and lacking in class.
I would say you have not properly understood what I wrote. OK, it's clear English is not your first language, so your reading comprehension is probably not as good as a native speaker. But then why are you so quick to attack?

Yes I feel sorry, English is not my native language, true, only one among the five foreign idiomatic communication tools that I thought I was using, speaking and writing quite fluently… but you underline right my limits...
Sorry to be undereducated...

But what is the point here…
Maybe because I am also reading and understanding Latin and know that “Forum” is the place to exchange and not to take comments as granted truth. I may lack of class but not of culture …

Now I don’t want to argue forever.

What is really cheap is :
You wrote : “It might have been 35 minutes. (….) I had been with her a couple of years previously and remembered that she gave me a good session the previous time and no problems.
(…)In the end I paid, because by the letter of the law that was what I owed. However it was shit trick to pull on her part. The girl is Emmanuelle, skinny black girl from France.”

In your style, “it might have been 35 ” is certainly 35+, if you were sure about less, it would have been : “ not even 30 minutes”.

What really is pissing here and what justify my comment “cheap” guy is that you just want to ruin the girl’s business: giving her name and description, so that all mongers here can avoid her… despite good service. (your own words)

It’s what you did want… and why ?

This girl, as you said, was known from you : “couple of years previously” “good session”, but this time, you feel angry because she is asking her due : as Otros says, “according the rules”, and you agree : it was overtime price for real overtime…
This of course added to the fact that you had to pay as you reasonably couldn’t complain to management, makes you crazy.
So again I stay behind my words: “cheap” reaction : you lost at Palace but you want your little “cheap” private revenge here… what is not the Forum purpose.

I have nothing to add…
and sorry for my poor English explaining the trap.

That’s why I did react with first post and, fair to you, I wasn’t underlining this until you started arguing.

To finish on your last point, time is our responsibility to check.
Girls are providing, period.

Are you so naïve to think that they should tell “Oh stop now, it is time 29’59” or you will have to pay for more”.
Down to earth, man…

Sorry again, hope everybody understood my poor broken non native English...
but here you won't get a lot if you think non native shouldn't communicate...

[Shark16]

I met Adriana / Tiffany at Palace a couple of months ago, although I thought she was Czech. She was pretty new at Palace then I think. Eye candy and all smiles outside the room, too rushed and mechanical inside. Neutral / negative recommendation from me (bring a watch).

[Gyg66]

Been there lately; I was first approched by Eva from Grece in the cinema. She's about 170 cm tall, a little bit meaty, 22 y. o., lightblonde shoulder lenght hairs, big tits. Good fuck but nothing special.
Then I meet Sara from Koeln, very beautiful, tall, brown-blonde long curly hairs, young (about 20 y.o.), a tattoo on the right ankle (a name written in a vertical mode). Deep kissing, CG, reverse CG, doggie, mish, 40 minutes of hard fucking with her moaning a lot. I recommend her definitely. Also a nice preson, easy to speak with, fluent english.
Some weeks ago I went with Adriana / Tiffany from Slovak Rep., beautiful sexy body, not tall, blonde, a lot of mascara, a little pro attitude but worth a try.
Other girls I had consider are:
Silvia, tall blond with siliconed tits from Poland with a ring tatto around her right arm;
Victoria, fantastic body about 170 cm tall, light blond hairs short to the shoulders, light skin from east europe (she were speaking russian with a guy in the kino).
Bye for now.

[Lord Byron]

In the end, you should wear a watch (just like you should wear a tooth guard in NFL football) to protect yourself against unscrupulous girls who try to bend the time to their advantage. If a man knows how to play the game, there should never be any ambiguity when it comes to the time. This "could have been 35 minutues or it could have been 25 minutes" scenario should never exist! If for some reason you don't wear a watch, then simply establish with the girl exactly what time it is when you first enter the room. I always do this, esp when I don't know the girl so well, as a matter of course: I enter the room with the girl, take off my towel and key strap, and my watch. I make a grand gesture of looking at my watch and announcing: Es ist 22.20 jetst (It is now 10.20)." Then there is never an issue as to how much time there is/was/should be... Got it!

Ortos,

Thank you for your insightful comments. However, not yet having visited an FKK, I have a stupid question: are there not wall clocks in the rooms?

[Ortos]

Cachorro,

"In the end the point of my post was to show why it's a good idea for mongers to keep track of session times and not rely on the girl to do so. Which seems to be the consensus here, anyway."

Yes this is the essential point really! That is why it is incumbant on us, the male customer, to keep track of the time or to understand that when we cross into another 30 min session, we are technically responsible for another 50E. So to use your bottle analogy: If you drink your first bottle and want another drink of the same juice, we must understand that we will be charged for another full bottle, even though we may only drink another glass or two. The rules of the game are that it is not up to the girl to necessarily tell us. (However if you have a good chemistry or are a repeat visitor with the girl or if you specifically tell her "Let me know when we get to the 20min mark into the session so I can finish up on time..." etc...then these problems will not be issues.)

Why should an average FKK girl necessarily help the obviously inexperienced "tourist monger" keep track of his time during a session? From her point of view: Bad clock management on the part of the man is just his own sloppy way of playing the game.

In the end, you should wear a watch (just like you should wear a tooth guard in NFL football) to protect yourself against unscrupulous girls who try to bend the time to their advantage. If a man knows how to play the game, there should never be any ambiguity when it comes to the time. This "could have been 35 minutues or it could have been 25 minutes" scenario should never exist! If for some reason you don't wear a watch, then simply establish with the girl exactly what time it is when you first enter the room. I always do this, esp when I don't know the girl so well, as a matter of course: I enter the room with the girl, take off my towel and key strap, and my watch. I make a grand gesture of looking at my watch and announcing: Es ist 22.20 jetst (It is now 10.20)." Then there is never an issue as to how much time there is/was/should be... Got it!

We all know that, whether we like it or not, we give off certain signals to the girls in our behaviour and interaction with her pre-session. Alot of these girls are there every day for many hours. We are in their element. They learn how to categorise the men, just as some of us guys who have been in the FKK game for a while learn how to categorise the girls. I mean, I can often get a feeling for what kind of girl and attitude a given gorgeous body will give me just from observing and flirting with a girl. So the reverse is very true too. I am not always 100% correct in these assessments, but as I get older, wiser and more experienced my judgements seem to serve me well.

If you don't speak German, are clearly a foreigner or tourist, you are going to get one kind of attitude from alot of girls, until you prove yourself more FKK street wise.

If it is just a few minutes over, then charging that extra 50E is really up to the girl. Personally I try to have GFE sessions whenever possible --that's another subject-- so it has happened that you might emerge from the room a couple of minutes after the 30min or 60min mark and the girl declines to charge the extra 50E. But if you have chosen the type of girl that unfortunately abounds at some of these clubs and, on top of that, have given off signals that you are a foreign tourist and/or are rather inexperienced in FKKing, then be prepared to be charged extra if you fall into the trap. Wearing a watch is one sign that you are NOT inexperienced. If you know the traps then you will be able to avoid them.

Welcome to FKKing: It's a sport/hobby that requires practise and experience. Just like Poker, you will not win many pots if you just rely on sheer luck!

My two cents,

Ortos

[Akibono]

I don't consider a customer who drags out time on the couch, flirts with most of the girls and then takes as much time in the room as he can get away with as being fair. After all, a girl has to make a reasonable amount of money. So, if you had a good time, don't abuse the situation.

On the other hand, I don't think it is fair for a girl to intentionally let a session go slightly over 30 minutes and charge for another session. If she really wants to charge an hour, she should give you at least 15 minutes extra. Too often a session ends after 15 minutes or 35 minutes. I am not against a girl charging more, in fact, I think the rates should be 60E per 30 minutes. But there must be value. Lately, I have been having a difficult time finding a girl that I would like to spend an hour with.

[Wanking]

I think you should expect that you might run into money trouble with one in every 10 FKK girls.

I had some hassles with a couple of girls in the past. One girl tried to charge me extra for licking her arsehole of all things. So I gave her €25 extra, haggled down from €50. And another girl tried to hit me up for all the time we spent on the couch so I just gave her the extra €50.

The way I look at it, If I have to pay one in 10 girls a bit extra, its not the end of the world.