Panama City

[Luvr Tom]

Replying to several posts here.

Here are some Call Girls numbers, I found on the newspaper.

I see alot of chica's numbers passed around here, but really I can't bring myself to call some number for a complete surprise package of a chica. You call them, you arrange to meet, then what; if she doesn't ring your bell, you're sort of stuck with her, or you have an unpleasantly awkward situation on your hands in cutting her loose because, of course, she's not attractive to you. No thanks. The in-person visual filter is absolutely the first step for me. Thanks, though.

sorry to hear that bad exp. Shame on GT. But actually, I think that if you raise the attention to, a cop, lets say, they might surely drop the act right away

My only coulda-shoulda-woulda regrets are,

1) not checking/agreeing on the time with the Ice Queen when we got to the room... for that matter, at the cashier, before paying;

2) not complaining to el heffe, saying I pay them for a good time and to leave happy, not a boring time with an Ice Queen to leave unhappy-- suggest the Ice Queen is bad for their business and further advise him that I'll be writing a negative review of GT;

3) As I was leaving the room, shoulda extended the $20 bill in my pocket to the Ice Queen, saying, here's a propina para buena servicia, watch her light up thinking I'm a bigger sucker that she even imagined, then I say, no, es para BUENA SERVICIA. Then I jam it back into my pocket and leave.

One of the Best places here is Elite Club, just as any taxi driver.

Elite's another MP/bothel/whatever, pay dearly up front and take your chances, no thanks. I guess I could go enjoy their floor show, which I think I read here is quite good, and play the game with getting numbers and setting something up for later... you know, where I pay her directly, AFTER receiving good service... cuts out so much MP BS, you know

I've had mixed experiences at GT. The only really bad experience was a $350 (flame away) toda la noche with an ice queen that bailed on me around 2:30 AM.

Woh. That's bad. Expensive bad. Paying that kind of dough for sex/companionship is nowhere in my repetoir, but it does affirm my point about GT: an expensive rip off. Their MO says, they think you're a sucker just for showing up and paying (too much) for sex, you know it and they know it, therefore when they rip you off "like you deserve", you'll go quietly into the night like the loser you both know you are, and not make any inconvenient waves for them.

I think the $84/$94 is for 45 minutes, not an hour, which might explain about 10% of your problem. I wouldn't give up on them though -- sounds like the problem was the woman, not GT.

That's the very first I've heard that it's 45 mins, not 60 mins. When the Ice Queen herself proposes, 1/2 hour massage, 1/2 hour sex, it gives the distinct impression that you've got an hour to work with. Ditto when she abruptly terminates the action, and proposes I buy "another hour". 45 mins for $95 (or, $126 per hour) in Panama is BS IMHO, but then again, as you may have guessed, I'm a "dilligent consumer".

As to the notion that, "I just found a bad apple within this impecably honorable, client satisfaction oriented business", I say, there's never just one cockroach. That's why my review indicts GT as a whole; they know the girls who deliver and those who don't, and they make choices about who they employ... their chicas are their business. Given that they're obviously not "minding their store" (aside from happily collecting your $$$ up front), I maintain, RUN DON'T WALK FROM GOLDEN TIMES.

EDITOR'S NOTE: I certainly hope that the author or somebody else will post a link to this report in the Reports of Distinction thread.

[Luvr Tom]

I have a gringo friend who lives/works in PTY, lives right across from Veneto.

I've been in there a couple times since I got here a week ago, and noticed the chica scene was different, from last significant time I was in PTY in March. Friend filled me in.

They had some sort of police raid, maybe a month ago, not sure, but whatever happened, the rules of engagement there are now different.

There's no more hoards of chicas around the cocktail tables with their signs out. If a working girl is in that area, she must be accompanied by a man, can't just loiter alone or with her amigas. The chicas are there, but they're at the penny slots, playing real slow like, and looking around alot. So it's more work for everyone now.

I'd be fascinated to learn what's happened to Veneto's nightly bar receipts since... guessing they've been slashed.

Not sure if it's related or not, prolly not, but my friend says Veneto got robbed a few weeks ago, an early Sunday morning robbery, all he knew for sure was he woke up that morning and front of Veneto was swarming with cops.

[Traveler 1952]

I'm at Tocumen airport waiting for my flight home, so I thought I'd give a short report on my trip here to Panama City. I'm not going to review specific girls, because I always think it's a waste of time to try to track down a specific girl someone has recommended. In my experience, YMMV no matter what, and what does the trick for me may not for you, etc.

In any event, here's a brief overview.

Hotel: Stayed at the Las Vegas Suites Hotel across from the Veneto casino. I got a very nice "studio" for $60 + tax per night, which suited my budget fine. I'm sure you can get cheaper but I was happy with the price. The "studio" isn't much to speak of. It's a big room with a small kitchenette and bathroom. No carpeting or special amenities, but it was clean and the staff is good. The two best things about the Las Vegas Suites is 1) it has a wireless system that's quite good and 2) it's connected to Pomodoro and the Wine Bar. The Wine Bar is really excellent--good value and good wines. Nice place to sit. Pomodoro has quite good food and an excellent breakfast.

Food: Other than Pomodoro, the only meal I had worth notice was at the steakhouse Martin Fierro, which is down the street from the LV Suites at 21 Calle Eusebio Morales. It's an Argentine-style steakhouse and the (local) meat was fantastic. I got a great NY strip--bife de chorizo--and an half-bottle of wine for $20. (The imported beef is much more expensive.)

Chicas: Of course, this is why we all come to Panama. I didn't have time for MPs or brothels, so I only visited a few places.

--Veneto casino: Full of girls every night after about 11. Just go up the escalator to the bar and you'll see them. They also congregate around the slots. You can pretty much assume that any girl alone or any group of 2-3 girls are on the job. Most of them are Colombians, but I found a few from Panama that spoke English. Cost is about $100 (I did not spend a lot of time trying to bargain, although I'm sure you can.) Some 9s, mostly 5s-7s.

--Habano's: This is a cigar bar/pool hall/bar across from the Marriott. If you can stand the smoke, it's a great place to hang out, with lots and lots of chicas. Some 9s, mostly 6s-7s. I think the price is a little lower here than at the casino.

--Bolero's: This is on Calle 42 in Bella Vista, and the girls there were smokin' hot. All 9's and 10s. It's a small place, so there weren't too many girls, but the ones that were there were worth doing ... and doing. My guess is the price is also about $100, although I didn't check.

I didn't go to the other hang-outs mentioned in previous reports, but my quick observation suggests that almost every casino and every bar near a casino has available girls. There are also lots of street girls who look a cut above what you see in most places.

I apologize to all of you for not being more specific about my activities, but I'm sure you can imagine. I had no bad experiences, I had no great experiences, but I was content. I just thought it would be good to provide an updated, albeit brief, guide to adult fun in Panama. Next time I'll stay longer and visit more places.

Happy mongering.

[Panamanian]

Elite Club beats Golden Time (overall).

Not in the cost of the girls, but in quality, attention, service, etc, etc.

[Tiny 12]

GauntMan -- You're joking, right? Media exposure and the police? I think that's the last thing you'd want to do. The government was deporting Colombian hookers right and left about a year ago and police/media attention isn't going to do you and me any good. It would deplete our happy hunting ground of game. Besides, I can't imagine Canal 4 showing up to investigate Golden Time. What would the lead in for Luvr Tom be? "They promise full service but leave you with a quick blow job. And then stop the hand job right when you're about to come."


Luvr Tom, You're getting screwed around by the touts. It's best to do your research here so you can ignore the Guido-the-Pimp types.
I've never pulled anyone from LifeGirls, but $75 is definitely more than I've paid for Oasis. Lifegirls is definitely worth a look. It's certainly not up to the standards of GT, Elite or LePalace, or even Miami IMHO, but the two times I went there were some reasonably attractive women. It's not a bad place to drink an over-priced beer or two before you head off to some of the freelancer spots around Espana.

GT will cost $84 if you don't go there in a taxi. Or get the taxi to drop you off closeby -- tell them you're going to a place close to Plaza California and get them to drop you off at McDonalds or the Esso station or someplace.

I've had mixed experiences at GT. The only really bad experience was a $350 (flame away) toda la noche with an ice queen that bailed on me around 2:30 AM. Also a mediocre experience one Sunday evening when there just weren't very any attractive women in the place. Otherwise, I've found some very attractive women there with > 50% GFE. I usually take them out to a love hotel, which runs around $135 for 1-1/2 hours (Tp Horn -- might be the solution to your problem).

I think the $84/$94 is for 45 minutes, not an hour, which might explain about 10% of your problem. I wouldn't give up on them though -- sounds like the problem was the woman, not GT. You're not going to find anyplace better in Panama for beautiful women at a reasonable price.

[Tp Horn]

Somebody's got to try, anyway....

LT's description is extremely accurate: roll call, rooms, showers, tables, etc.. The price used to be $80 + 5% tax, but your price looks like they bumped it up to $90.

I have visited Golden Time at least 20 times over the past year. Friends accompanied me about 5 to 10 times (clients and business associates too), including some take out. In discussions, our experiences ranged from excellent to above average. I've never heard of an experience as bad as yours. But, from surveying some of the looks on the faces of some of the women, I've always assumed that there were a few bad attitudes in there. I admit, I'm looking more for friendliness when they parade in the salon. And yes, the women aren't imported for their massage skills, for sure.

GT is what it is: relatively expensive for sometimes pedestrian action, but almost always with a very attractive performer in a clean and "non-seedy" environment. And it's extremely convenient. Hell, they even take credit cards. Certainly, an accomplished monger can find much easier pickings around the city.

My only complaint with the place is those silly massage tables are about 3 or 4 inches too high for standing action (I'm 6'1"), and sometimes hearing the guy in the next room banging away is a bit of a buzz kill.

[Panamanian]

Luvr Tom, you should follow my advice. One of the Best places here is Elite Club, just as any taxi driver.

I suggest you ask for the "OPEN BAR" (about 24.00, all the drinks you want).

[GauntMan]

sorry to hear that bad exp. Shame on GT. But actually, I think that if you raise the attention to, a cop, lets say, they might surely drop the act right away. When it comes to this kind of place and the police, they wont argue with you and will comply with any demands, as far as Ive hear, and even if you threaten them to media exposure, even worst, the last thing that they want is a migration raid with media coverage.
Ill check with some of my friends that work as camera men in the local tv channels to see how this works if something like that is reported to a channel

[Elberto]

Thanks for the reports, Luvr Tom. Reports like yours are what make ISG so useful.

I guess I have insight having worked as a bartender and doorman at a strip club in the US, but it's obvious they are all about extracting the maximum amount of your money for the least amount of their effort.

With reports of 1+ hour of sex for $20 with pretty semi-pros why does anyone mess with the ripoff pros? The thought of paying a hundred bucks to jerk off in front of a jaded hooker in a country where the average person makes $300 a month is absurd.

I'm headed to Panama next week and I'll find cheap, high-quality pussy and tell you where to find it.

[Luvr Tom]

Massage Parlors (GT, River, Miami, etc) do not do the trick for me.
It is a very controlled environment were they hold all the cards upfront.

Yeah, they're very controlled alright. You're basically taking a leap of faith that they'll deliver the goods, because they have a permanent location with a sign, and a reputation, count on word of mouth, repeat biz etc. So you take that leap, pay your $, and all those assumptions go out the window and they rip you off as if they can only win. As for any business which negative review/rip-off-alerts like mine cost them, they'll be oblivious to, as the customers who know to steer clear of them, will merely be out of sight out of mind from their perspective. I'd love to learn the email address of the owner of GT, so that I could forward them the url of my rip off alert review... illustrating that, yes, ripping off GT clients is not without consequence.

A brief review of 2 MPs in El Cangrejo where I'm staying. Mainly just a price update, coz I didn't patronize them other than to walk in and walk back out a minute later several nights ago.

Sunday night I walked into "Life Girls" on Via Espana. Some Guido-The-Pimp is sitting at the bottom of the stairs, I ask him how much for sexo, he said $60, please go on upstairs and check it out. I start up the stairs and he says, oh yeah, $15 cover fee. I'm gone, this place oozes sleaze, and I aint paying no cover. I start to walk out, he says wait wait, calls something to the bouncer at the top of the stairs, and then tells me no cover, go on up. I walk up, and it's a dark open area, not sure if they´re supposed to be a floor show (no one's dancing), or a discotech or what. It's sparsely populated, could barely see what the few disparate girls around the area looked like. There was certainly no lineup or anything. Just for posterity, I ask the bouncer how much for sexo? $90-(something). So the games are beginning right out of the gate.. which turns me off, and combined with the sorry appearance of the place, I turn and head back down the stairs without saying anything more.

I tell Guido it's >$90 for sex, and he's back on his game. He knows a place where it's $35! Where, I ask. Oasis! I know Oasis is 60-something (last I'd heard- never patronized them), and I tell him this, but oh no, with him it's $35, and he's excited to walk over to Oasis with me. I'm skeptical but, if he's right, that's good, so we walk the block or so to Oasis together. Once inside, I get the prices, as he looks on. It's $35 alright-- for 30 mins massage, no sex. One hour massage with sex is $75. She first told me $65 but then corrected herself, to $75. I guess Guido's gotta eat?

Normally I would have been willing to pay $65 for the hour deal, but I was not going to reward Guido for his bait and switch game. I turn and walk out, ignoring Guido as if he doesn't exist. He follows me outside, as I'm climbing the stairs to the street level, he asks me for $1 tip. I just let out a loud PFFFT! and continue on my way.

So this is prolly true of all the MPs, but if you let one of the Guido-The-Pimp guys who hang around in the area seeking to rope in Gringos etc "deliver" you to the MP, you're looking at paying them a (hidden) commission built into the price the MP quotes you.

I know from having spent cumulative weeks in El Cangrejo PTY in the past, there are a couple of Guidos routinely hanging around near Oasis. One is a 50ish Black guy named Tony, speaks good english, loud raspy voice. The other regular, I don't know his name, but he's a clean cut Latino who molests you walking by, trying to hand you a flyer. I must have walked by him a dozen times in my prior time here, every time he says hello and wants to shake my hand and give me a flyer and presumably drag me into Oasis, every time I ignore him and leave his extended hand hanging; and the next time it's the exact same routine as if he's never seen me before. As a tall lanky 6-3 gringo, I find this hard to imagine.

But if you're going to try out these MPs, I'd go to whatever lengths necessary to AVOID the Guidos outside. Maybe a brisk walk past as though you're late for something, and a last second turn into the MP. If a Guido walks in after you to try to claim he "delivered you", well, you'll have to deal with that, tell the reception you don't know that person, and don´t pay a dime more than you've heard from reliable sources is their base price.

Readers already know where I'm at WRT the "pay up front and take your chances" MPs at this point... pfff!

EDITOR'S NOTE: I certainly hope that the author or somebody else will post a link to this report in the Reports of Distinction thread.

[Majagualo]

SunD,

It should be possible, might be tight if you spend a lot of time in traffic getting to GT, tell the cabbie to use Via Tucomen to Tumba Muerto to Plaza Mirage. Probabyly faster at that time than using the corridor.
Majagualo

[Sun Devil]

How feasible is it to go from the airport to either Golden Time or Oasis and back, all within 4 hours?

Copa Airlines just canceled my afternoon flight from SJO to CTG and I will have to take their morning flight, which has a layover from 10:00 to 14:33. I will probably have just a messenger bag on my person so that I will have to only deal with Immigration.

[LatinBull]

I couldn't agree more with you Tom.
Massage Parlors (GT, River, Miami, etc) do not do the trick for me.
It is a very controlled environment were they hold all the cards upfront.
You could have complained to the Management, but hey, you go to a place like this to have fun an not to argue or discuss with people.
I recommend you use next time Call Girls or Casino Girls.
In the both cases, you can negotiate what you want/expect upfront so you have some sort of control.

Here are some Call Girls numbers, I found on the newspaper.
+50764775958
+50766533106
+50766619670
+50766750822
+50766374761
+50766504629
+50766593847
+50766638439
+50766694671
+50766653857
+50765051560
+50765122451
+50766581509
+50766666230
+50765389765

There is also a disco called La Bodeguita, where you can find some Pro's. You just need to spot them among the Non-pro.
Dont worry, once you are there, they will give you the look, so you will know you are in Business.
Cheers.
LatinBull.

[Luvr Tom]

Had a very disappointing time at Golden Times last night. I've posted a couple of positive/mixed reports here at ISG, including on River Club in PTY and Paradiso in David. But this is the sort of report I hurry to write, as the experience was so bad, y'all need to beware... and run don't walk from Golden Times.

Told cabbie I wanted a woman, I was indifferent as to coming back to the hotel (Parador) or using an MP, and he gave me a pitch on Golden Times. I recalled the name, had read something about it here but couldn't remember what I'd read good or bad. He insisted it has the hottest women in PTY. About a 5 minute drive later we're there.

They want $94.50 for 1 hour massage/sex in their rooms. This was high but cabbie told me the price accurately before so I was okay with trying them out. There were probably 15 chicas, all were above average. They sit you in a room when you arrive, there were about 5 other men when I got there, at about 10-something PM. They walk the girls in one by one, girl enters, tries to make a sexy look, leaves within 3-4 seconds, next girl. It took me a couple rounds of this before I understood that I was supposed to be noticing the number card on their waste/hip area. At least half of the women came in, posed & left such that I couldn't see the # even when I knew to look. By the 3rd-4th go round I'd found the pen in my pocket and took some numbers down, as I couldn't seem to remember them any other way. These chicas are all seasoned pro looking, IE over 80% had obvious silicone, in many cases way overdone, and they had that certain jaded porn star expression.

I finally chose #8, "Paulina", a chica about 25, claims to be from Medellin CO. About 5'7", slender, bubble butt, silicone C-cups, light brown hair, nice face. The host dude asks you after each round who you like, I said #8. She comes in and sits next to me, few seconds of small talk and we're in business. She tells me to pay at the front desk, so I paid $94.50 cash, stepped outside to tell cabbie what was happening, and then #8 and I headed upstairs to the room.

Room's small but clean, has a bathroom with shower, and a twin size bed/massage table. She says we both shower separately, no choice. We get naked, I rinse off in the shower for about 30 seconds, dry off and she showers for 2-3 mins. She suggests 30 mins massage, 30 mins sex. I didn't argue, seemed meaningless to outline this sort of thing, as I figure we'll just play it by ear. I should note, her general disposition is a bit icy. Never a trace of a smile, or laugh or sense of humor etc, despite my numerous compliments towards her.

I lay on my stomach and she lightly massages my back and legs with some lotion. Nothing naughty, and no deep tissue stuff, very superficial. This lasts about 10 mins. I turn over, and there's no front massage, she just goes to the CBJ stage. This is fine I'd just assume get on with the fun, given the useless massage style. About 2 mins of CBJ and she stands up on the bed and lowers herself to cowgirl position. We do this about 2 mins, she gets off me. She suggests an HJ sans condom. Well of course I'm paying for more intercourse than 2-3 mins, but it turns out BBHJ with lube is one of my favorite things, sex is great but with condom it's very hard for me to come, and this will ensure I get one off. She didn't know this of course, she was just being lazy or whatever, but she got lucky with this suggestion. She also said something about I'm too big for the condom, do I have a larger one, which I didn't... but if I'm not mistaken (my spanish is very basic..) she was worried the condom would break? Not sure. I have had standard size condoms break several times on me in the past. Whatever the case, I was agreeable to the BBHJ.

She BBHJs me for about a minute with KY type lube, and asks that I stoke it. PFFFFT... this is getting sillier by the minute, given what I'm paying $95 for, but after all, I have some practice at this and again, I can be assured of getting one off, as her stroking method was alright but left something to be desired. So she's massaging by nuts and I'm stroking. It seemed to me we had tens of minutes left, so I wasn't racing to the finish line. About 5 mins of this, and she's piping up about the time. I say yeah, it's okay, I just want to enjoy my time. We go at this about 3-4 more mins, when if I decided to come, I could have any time with about 30 seconds of focus. I was just surfing the pleasure.

Then with no notice, she suddenly gets off the bed and walks to the sink and begins washing her hands of the lube, and says time's up. I say, huh? She says, do I want another hour? Yeah, right, another $95 for more time with this Ice Queen. I say no, of course, but I'm left there to get dressed, out $95 and no pop, not even very interesting memories.

The scam, which I knew intuitively but couldn't prove at the time, was that she'd shorted me greatly on the time. I had a watch but I did not make a point of noting the time when we got to the room. Of course she pointed to her watch upon lying to me that the time was up, but this was meaningless because I/we did not check/agree on the time when we arrived. I got dressed within about 2 mins, double checked her name and # "so that I could tell my friends about her, and Golden Time", and I split.

I verified this rip off occured when I got outside where cabbie was waiting. I told him it was a disappointment coz I didn't finish and I was pretty sure she ripped me off on the hour's time. I asked him what time it was when I checked with him right after I'd paid the cashier. He said it was 10:35PM, and yes he was sure, because he´d checked at that time. Guess what time it was now as I was sitting in his cab after this $95 debacle?? 11:22PM. I was still supposed to be in the room with the Ice Queen getting one off for my $95.

Reflecting back on this GOLDEN TIMES RIP OFF experience, I think I'm just down on massage parlors. After a couple of decent/mixed experiences, this kind of rip off naturally turns me off to the whole concept of MPs. The basic problem is that to use them, you must compromise rule #1 of mongering, NEVER PAY UP FRONT.

Pay up front, and "they" hold all the cards. If they want to rip you off on time/service as Golden Times does, they can. And there's little to nothing you can do about it, outside of sounding the alarm at a place like ISG.info, to try to steer other potential suckers away from the Rip Off Artists who are out there poisoning the hobby like land mines, awaiting their next hapless victim.

In the case of Golden Times, they add insult to injury in that they're EXPENSIVE relative to our other PTY MP choices... they charge roughly that magic $CIEN$ price which all the independents routinely ask for but seldom receive... to be paid up front, which experienced mongers know not to do with independents... to prevent the very BS which Golden Times then proceeds to commit: clockwatching, bad attitude, bad service, rip offs WRT the agreed upon time.

[GauntMan]

Wow, don't visit the country for a year, and everything changes! Guess I will tell my wife to leave her CDMA here at home when she goes to Panama in a couple of weeks. It's interesting that Movistar still has some CDMA phones advertised on their website, guess they need to update it.

I wouldnt say gone completely, they simply arent advertizing cdma anymore, but I dont think they have thrown a few millions in cdma technology to the garbage can just like that