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06-24-06 12:30 #56
Beer??
I don't drink,and don't smoke,and most of the guys I saw were in bars getting there load on.Yes running scams on the next greenhorn they saw.What I am saying is without the ss most of the so called Rich guys like you by the sounds would have a different life.
I guess it's good the system reaches over and above its intentions.
B.B...
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06-24-06 11:42 #55
My reply for Bill
Originally Posted by Bill Buxton
Bill, one thing I NEVER DO is blow smoke up peoples asses, but it certainly seems as if someone blew a whole truck load up yours. I don't know what you did your "tour" here but it seems to me you spent a lot of time in bars talking to embittered expat drunks, you know, the type who are always running scams and looking to bilk "greehorns" and newby's out of their hard earned money. I think perhaps a bit of that embitterment rubbed off on you as that is how your coming across. But to assume all expats here are the same is folly, I assure you they are not and I refer to several gentlemen I know on this board personally as men of quality, presence and demanor whose experience has made them better men for it.
But talking to "old" guys in bars is not really a good overall acessment of the cultural, socio-economic/political situation in whatever 3rd world paradise you visit. BTW doubtful our paths would have crossed as I spend very little time in bars (prefer a gym) but perhaps if you would visit other establishment (the ones where you don't barfine anyone) your opinions might be different.
As far as my bitching or complaining as you put it, I was doing neither, as a warlord or as and old retired jerk I was merely giving my honest opinion, quoting facts and telling you the truth, maybe you don't like how it was presented (Tough) or thought I was gloating but I assure I wasn't.
I don;t want to get involved in the arguement over SSS, Im not under that system (thank god) and of course if my pension were cut off I would have to go back to work, but work I would, probably in Singapore, my last job or perhaps take up certain people on their offer to go to Afghanistan or Iraq as I've been offered, however, I see no need to go to those countries and make money I don't need when Im fiinacially secure.
But I do have a nest egg that would see me throguh any dry period thanks to my foresight in investing in the US stiock market. I am a great beleiver in the US economic system and in the stock market, Buy American and invest. Thats what you should do Bill if you are truly a patriotic American working class hero, do you really think your doing any good by "Buying American" coz U go to wal mart? Better yet, take some of that beer money you pour down your throat and open up a trading account and invest in some US run companies. Oh and I pay US taxes also!
Of course I keep my money in a US bank...and I voted for Bush...twice, as I've said, Im a good American and love my country, because I choose to live elsewhere (thats right Bill I said Choose!) does that make me less a man/ less a patriot in your eyes...who cares.
Facts, we are all going to die, if I die in the Philippines, my wife and relatives get the loot from my war lords war chest and divy it up...thats the law. If YOU die in the US who in your chain of command of spongeing relatives gets your loot... or maybe you were one of those ones foolish enough to have a lawyer as executor of your will in which case your lawyer cleans up.
Respectfully
The Spamhog
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06-24-06 05:58 #54
BB are you talking about medicare for the elderly? If you are it applies to all US citizens. Same for social security. You/me/senior citizens all are paying or have paid for it. All elderly US citizens are using these. The ones you saw in the Philippines are saving you tax dollars as they are not using medicare there.
You will be using both someday too.
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06-24-06 05:30 #53
US citizenship
The problem with renouncing citizenship is that you then become stateless. I need to leave the country every six months to renew my visa, but if I tried to that while being stateless, I could spend the rest of my life in an immigration holding cell. Citizenship is something that you generally have no control over. Just like you cannot control who your parents are, you cannot control where you are born. Obtaining Philippine residency is not that difficult, but citizenship is. And even then, it is quite difficult traveling anywhere outside of ASEAN with a Philippine passport. Alas, US citizenship is something I will have to bear for life. Originally Posted by Icquest
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06-24-06 04:49 #52easy access to limitless supply of reasonable price asian *****s helps?? did you renounced your US citizenship?? Originally Posted by LoveAsian*****s
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06-24-06 04:36 #51easy access to limitless supply of reasonable price asian *****s helps?? did you renounced your US citizenship?? Originally Posted by LoveAsian*****s
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06-24-06 03:42 #50
Why I live in the Philippines
Well, I will add my 2 cents to this discussion. I live in the Phillipines for many reasons, most have a lot to with how I love I the country. However, there is a separate reason for why I don't live in America. I lived in the US for all of my adult life, and it is a place I truly despise. It used to be great place, maybe as recently at 15 years ago. But times have changed. It is a borderline police state today. The country has the highest per capita incaration rate in the world, by far. Cops everywhere. The government can monitor you communications at will. The smallest thing, from driving after having a few to many, to not having your kid in car seat, can get you in serious trouble. Argument with your wife, maybe you go to jail. Your kid gets sunburned, maybe you are charged with child abuse. Music to loud, disturbing the peace. Say something untruthful to a cop, you go to jail for a long time. Your 5 year old son touches a girl inappropriately, he gets in whole lot of trouble. This list goes on and on.
But the biggest reason that I could not live in the US, is that I am against the US in their war in Iraq. The US destroyed the country and is now occupying it. They claim they are liberating it, but over 80% of the population, in every poll taken in the past 6 months, want the US out NOW. Now I don't want to enter a debate about Iraq. It is just that in good conscience, I cannot live in a country I do not support. Out here, while not everyone supports my views, they at least consider them rational and don't get upset with me for having them. When I express joy at every strike the resistance makes against the US, I don't have to worry about going on some terrorist watch list merely because I have an opinion that is counter to US interests. In war, there are two sides. Who is right and and who is wrong largely depends on where you live. It is very difficult to live in a country at war when you support the other side, even if your support is merely the opinion that the other side is right.
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06-24-06 03:34 #49If they were all coming to do shit jobs for less money it would be fine. How about when they all need welfare, free housing, free health care and food stamps? Who the fuck do you think is going to pay for that? The tax payer is. So when we already have record debt please explain to me how 50 million unskilled, uneducated workers that earn less than 12k per year is going to help the country. Originally Posted by Bart9000
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06-23-06 22:04 #48 Originally Posted by Bart9000
What do you think the One World Nation is about!
One Nation under Lucifer not God!
Mr. Rothchild doesn't need our money he has Trillions of dollars!
He wants our minds!
He wants to turn all of us into slaves, but I guess he already has a few slaves in his pockets already.
I know this is a sex site but Some of you guys really need to pick up a Bible are read it. Even more importantly try to understand it.
Bart9000
You really think only Rednecks are Patriotism, Nationalism, and protectionism are for hillbillies. Man America is doomed!
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06-23-06 12:06 #47
ok
I understand perfectly what my sober eyes and ears saw and heard.Can't chew the leather anymore and maybe I was in a place that reeked of Scams and insolence from foreigners.Could be but I saw and heard much that was to my disgust will try another area nextime I go, lets see.Failed to understand "what". The part of cheep beer,girls,Lack of good medical care what did I miss??The fact that you sometimes go to a doctor 2-3 times before getting the right diagnosis??Come on you can justify just about anything when you talk from your wallet.A friend from the states had red eye went to 3 doctors before getting the right drops to clear the shit up.And the second one gave him something that would make him blind if he had continued use.Sure that could happen anywhere,not likely at home.Thats the difference,why do all or most of the guys living there know and say if they get sick they are going home to get medical care?????I am sure you got an answer for that a 700 dollar ticket home for FREE care on the taxpayers.I know the mentality over their cheep charlie they call it maybe most did not plan well enough ahead and that why they are there.20 THOUSAND DOLLARS makes you a millionare in the PI,Well thats the difference any half a mope can get to that plato in life working at mickeyD's or burgerking.War Lord in fantasy land that's the mentality when you stay there to long.And I am sure you feel everything you also report here is right.I am sure there are lots that can't tell me when they drew there last sober breath but many could tell me about the new bar or great looking addition "FEMALE" that works at it.Or who is giving away free food at happyhour.Sorry guys I lived there surrounded bu drunks and braggarts what can I say millionaires galore from everywhere,but they all come running back here for something they think the are entitled to.Sit in the vfw and make out entitlement papers because they deserve it.The last stage in life, loss of reason and intravenous alcohol use don't add up to much.Expatriats I wave my flagg every week so I can pay for your medical care when you fly back home with a medical crisis next time.A new location still the same what can my country do for me attitude.
Come on IT ain't great enough for me to sell out and live there and the newness wares off after a while...
B.B...
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06-23-06 07:44 #46
Seeing and understanding are not the same...
Bill, you might have seen, but you obviously failed to understand much or perhaps most of what you saw. First, I have met SH several times, and your perception of his motivations, his attitudes and his behavior are not only egregiously wrong, but offensive. Second, your generalizations about the lifestyles of expatriates would be equally offensive if they were not so absurd.
In fifteen years of living overseas, I've found that peoples' motivations vary enormously: sometimes the rationale is economic, sometimes political, and sometimes social, but it's rarely sexual. That is, most men who make the decision to live oversea don't do so primarily so they can screw younger women. This may be a fringe benefit, but it's hardly a motivation for changing one's entire life. Maybe before your next trip you should read a couple of books and arrange to meet a more representative sample of expats. You might also want to brush up your syntax prior to making your next lengthy post.
J Boy, your point is well-taken though I'm not sure I would include defense expenditures post World War II as foreign assistance. I think it's more on the order of self-interest and perhaps a determination on the part of politicians to ensure the survival of the defense industry and the number of jobs associated with it. I doubt, for example, that the Japanese or the Germans view the presence of US troops on their soil as essential any longer.
Maybe it's not possible to generalize accurately about either of these issues, and maybe the reasons that those of us who live overseas do so are as idiosyncratic as the individuals who make the choices. I do think though, that once someone has lived overseas for long enough, though he or she may adapt to other cultures, the individual never "fits in" again. For example, as an American living in Asia, I'm always going to be perceived as an outsider, and will be perceived somewhat in that vein by Americans when I do go home.
Obviously, this is just my point of view and just my two centavos worth of opinion.
GE
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06-22-06 22:03 #45
Can't Stand The Heat
SH, I agree with MOST of what you said BUT,What about the guys working today giving more than you in terms of paying into the ss system.The guy that works every day and hears about how there is likely not gonna be anything for him.And you telling how you live like a war loard.Are you bragging or complaining?Sounds like the money you paid in and got back was yours what about the statement about not wanting to work?"lazy"? not fitting in back home.Why? you don't make an attempt at keeping in touch?your family and friends not liking your choice of countries?or the gal you chose?I saw all the same in my short trip,many guys that we misunderstood by there friends and family.
Many of the reasons were because of THERE CHOICES not there families.It's not about being the big time charlie or is it?Sounds like you got that kind of ego you need to fuel.Cant cut the mustard at home you mean YOUNG GALS?It's a fucking joke with you OLD GUYS yes I said old running around like you are still somebody,well the joke is on you!It takes work and guts to stay at home and pay and face the music and vote for whoever you think will do the best job for the people.You are probably like others that BIT** every day about bush but were never here to try and change anything, or cast and vote for what you think should be changed.I met what I would call shitheads from here on my trip wanting to be or act young again.Talking very loud about the riches all there incoharent hours.I responded to them every chance I got,if your so rich why ain't you home???I never got an answer from most, and some were coherent enough to speak.
I dont find the fascination with the younger guys in your place like I do with the old.Mabey it's because they still get there stinger wet every night at home.And the answer is if you had the corner on the place to live everyone would be there.
Lazy,drunk,bigshot,whatever fuels your egos lap it up but the bottom line is you want the riches from the pot "think American now, BECAUSE YOU ARE INTITLED TO THEM "SS" YOU PAID YOUR SHARE AND WANT IT BACK"I am sure you take that check away and the warlord would surely cry like a regular baby.And please tell us what bank in Asia you have the money entered into?most guys have a us bank and for what reason???Come on you know please tell us all mr. warloard.What about the 10% interest you can get there on all your ritches you have it's sure better than what you get here!! Bit,what about safe? Please tell us how safe your green is there.I heard the local braintrust there worrying about there peso accounts because of the rates at the first of the year.Worrying about the 1 point up or down sounded like they all had billions in the bank.Sure thats why they would ***** when the beer price went to .05 pesos per beer higher.The rich big shots with the money to burn,most could not pour [CodeWord140] out of a rubber boot with the instructions scribbled on the heel.
The facts are the facts and the truth is the truth,You are gonna die and leave the embassy to pay for the funeral after the guys back home pay for it.Not to mention after that Young cooze and the RELATHIVES loot and get the warlords belonings,every last drop...
I SAW IT AND LIVED IT EVERY DAY FOR 6 MONTHS, so blow smoke up someone else's ass...
B.B...
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06-22-06 14:51 #44But when you factor in our defense budget and the way we protected Europe and most of the world from the Soviet Union for 40 years, we might look a little more generous. Then factor in the Americans who died in defense of others in both world wars, the cold war and so many undeclared wars. I think we have done more than anyone can expect. If Europe had to depend upon the likes of Norway they would all be speaking Russian. Originally Posted by GoodEnough
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06-22-06 14:43 #43 Originally Posted by GoodEnough
This doesn't make any sense to me. You are a person who has many times gone to new places and made friends with people of a different cultures but you can't get past some changes at home? Maybe you aren't really trying.
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06-22-06 09:17 #42
As always...
As always, SH, you make perfect sense, and you raise a point that I forgot to mention. Once you've lived overseas for a certain period of time, be it in Asia, Europe or wherever, you just do not fit in "at home" any more. I guess it's because in the US, as with everywhere else, the culture is dynamic, things are changing all the time, and you (the expat) have not been there to accommodate or internalize the changes. I find exactly the same thing on my rare visits to the US: I will often be jarred by the culture shock and think to myself, "Where the hell am I?"
In my case, I've lived outside the US for so long that I don't even know anyone, aside from the kids, very well any more and when I do get together with old friends, we find we have very little to say to each other. They cannot possibly identify with or be cognizant of my lifestyle, and I can no longer identify with theirs. I don't think this has anything at all to do with one's feelings toward the US or wherever your country of birth happens to be. It's just the inevitable process of cultural alienation.
Prior to living in Asia, I lived in Paris for several years, and I recall thinking, on a trip back to the states, how loud Americans are. Of course, the noise level probably hadn't changed since I had lived in America, but I simply was not used to it any more.
This is probably the last comment I'll make on this subject, but it is somewhat reassuring to note that others experience some of the same feelings that I do.
GE
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