The Morality of Prostitution

[Alex Rock]

Hi Sasha,

Didn't you enjoy the change ? - pecking orders and office politics and having to keep the boss happy? As a biologist friend now a senior exec says, everything he needed to understand corporate behaviour he learned studying baboon psychology. I still think you learn more psychology in a brothel you get paid more!

Why we respect working girls is their relative honesty compared to all the game playing and hypocrisy in offices.

Do you think you could you take a girl from the office to work in the brothel for 2 weeks to let her see the difference?

[Sasha Coffee]

We sit here going on about the morality of prostitution and the harsh world that WGs live in.

I have learnt the most valuable lesson of the year over the last two weeks.

I have been helping a friend in their office with some admin work. Give me *****s any day. The office policitics are far worse than any brothel I have ever seen.

Brothels have a distinct pecking order sorted by length of time worked there, how good you are at your job.

An office has no such pecking order, the natural alpha females and males are trying desperately to take over and guess what they're are only 18 and just left school. with no experience nothing. Its hilarious and I have to say I pity the poor people that face this every day.

I have always had respect for working girls and the sex industry and how hard these girls work, but now I know why some people say we take the easy way out, by not working in an office we have bought into a fringe of society with a slighty tribal hierachey. The poor office worker is following society rules and boy do they suffer.

So to all you people that work the 9-5 grind. I take my hat off to you and wish the best with your long hard days. And remember its an unaknowledged Degree in Psychology you all earn.

[S Times]

Being two faced is not just about working girls. Men go through the same thing about regular work. Men are different during working times and family times. The ones that say it's the same are very very rare. Ultimatly work is about money and survival, regardless of what type of work it is. Work is often calculated, manipulative and sequential, life is emotions and pretty random. Men go through very similar behaviorial changes during non work hours. Those that can't distinct the two sides of their life usually end up burning out fast. The separation mentally is healthy, although not always easy.

[Alex Rock]

I wish I could be honest that I enjoy screwing other women but it doesn't threaten the relationship with my girlfriend or wife. The dilema is whether to keep a steady relationship one the one hand and a sex habit on the other hand or to try to keep both somehow.

My point in earlier posts was that if my girlfriend was China Lily or someone like her, she wouldn't mind me having sex with other girls as long as she doesn't lose face. That is worth a hell of a lot. Trouble is I have trouble with her doing the same thing.

Like Sasha said, if we are honest up front there is no burden, but then we somehow don't choose to settle down with people who tell us they are going to continue screwing other people whether for money or for fun.

China Lily hit a soft spot. I think you are right. We are hypocritical. We love working girls in part of our lives but we segment ourselves so in other segments we pretend we are upright "clean living" pillars of society.

[China Lily]

Lazarro,

If my boyfriend says "this afternoon I paid for a girl", I wont be upset because it is normal. I know how working girl thinks. She just wants money, no feelings. He wants a different style or just let his heat come out. Its OK. I might ask what type she was or what he liked about her. But if he paid too high price or if he went with a girl I know I will be upset. I lose face big if a girlfriend knows my boyfriend goes to her behind my back. If girls think my boyfriend is doing it behind my back I am very upset. They think I don't keep him happy and they have a secret I dont know. All men want sex with different women. Its nature, we cant change it. I don't care about him having sex, but I do care if he has feelings.

Before we broke up, my boyfriend wasnt happy I was going on trip with customers. I asked 3 girlfriends to sleep with him on 3 nights after they finish work. They do me a favor, I don't lose face and he feels better. But, I wont let the same girl sleep with him 3 nights in case they get feelings. I was upset my exboyfriend had relationship with married woman before because he and she had strong feelings.

Its normal if my boyfriend wants sex with other girls

[China Lily]

Men arent honest they like sex with other girls and don't tell their wife they like escorts or bargirls. They pretend they are "nice guys".

Honestly, can you take working girls to a family or company party and let everybody know we are working girls.? I don't really think so.

We are all different person in different situations. With your wife you are nice and faithful, but on business trip, after drinks or in a bar, you are horny and you want to screw sexy girls. All men need sex with different women but cant be honest about it to wife.

Working girls can be honest when we are working but not if we want to keep a guy. With customer we cant hide we sell sex and pretend we are normal girls. Some customers say it is easier to be honest than with their wife. Because they cant hide they buy sex from me and when they go away they don't worry what I think or if I will bother them. I sell time so if a customer pays for time to talk or have sex it's the same. It easier to have sex than to talk.

It is not easy for people to accept us as friend in their work or family lives if people know we are sex workers. People look down on sex workers. If women at parties see we are working girls, some talk about us behind our back and some come to ask questions to show off to people they are open minded. They pretend to be nice for other people to see but don't really want to become our friends. If they don't know what we do, they treat us different.

People are 2 faced. Women who screw around and have affairs do it for fun, they dont look down on those women, but because we sell sex because we want good money, they look down on us. Thats not honest.

[Lazzaro]

China Lily, your story seems like a fantasy and almost unbelievable. How can a wife go from the shock of finding out her husband had slept with a WG to threesomes and even going on a joint customer call with you.?
I also thought you much prefer warm sex with your boyfriend, and seem surprised you say some girls like to go for threesomes for free with girlfriends and their BF's or husbands. Is it threesomes you like or going with your girlfriends and their men in a non client relationship?

Sex is pleasure.
Even if you to have sex also with head or with body
Best should be have sex involving either your body and you head (with your lover), but if you have sex for pleasure, well in this case why stop the chanche to have as most pleasuer as possible?

Also, here in Italy, as written, I heard lot of bored housewives became a sort of sex worker in a couple of week.
One example for all? see the site: www.sexpatatina.com or www.moglieporcellina.com or www.fragolinaxx.it (unfortunately in Italian)
They are not top beauties, but they all said that they are bored and were looking to change their life.
Today they are a sort of high class escort

[Lazzaro]

When customers either men or women pay for 3somes,4 or moresomes, me and many of my girlfriends enjoy it and sometimes sex worker girls will go for free to a girlfriend and her husband or boyfriend. One customers wife found out about him paying for my friend, she was mad and said prostitutes were bad girls. Her hsuband told her to see what we are really like and said he wanted to bring girls home to see that it was different.

After we went and had sex all night with her and her husband she wanted to come with me on 3some with a customer. Her husband was not happy, but we took her. The customer was very happy to have her for half price. When we take her home her husband was very horny to think his wife had sold sex to a customer. She became crazy for sex and wanted to try with 2-3 guys. When she tried it she came many times and loved it.

In one week the customers wife changed from looking down on sex workers to liking us and is now a friend. I think they are happier now.

...it is a pity don't be there to try!!!!

I'm joking, but it is incredible how a life could change.
I heard some tail also in Italy like that.
The Italian Porn Star "Jessica Rizzo" beguns her job in a way like that

[Lazzaro]

China Lily

What Sasha said about honesty is making me think. If it was you, and we met and I told you I am a working girl, would it stop you from letting us become a couple? I think most guys have 2 sides to themselves when it comes to working girls. One side likes us, the other side is they are afraid to admit they like us.
My working girl part of me is honest and proud, but it's not honest - I am acting and have a msk on my face. In my home part of me, I am afarid to be honest because I think you won't accept me as a girlfriend or wife.
In the truth (you can believe me or can't) I should understand you perfectly if you tell me you're a WG.
What it is important, for me, is mine respect for you and yours for me.
I really appreciate your honesty if you tell me about you, why I should not respect you?
Maybe (no: without maybe!!) you (as Sasha and RN) are more honest than the 90% of the women in the world, that "do it" sometimes or often, without "exchange of money", but only for get something in return and they never tell this to their boyfriends/husbands/lovers.

I hope you can repect us if you understand us. Don't worry about testerone, we sell sex beacause men have testerone - I don't care if a customer doesnt respect me as long as he pays me ok, but I do want one day the job to a respectable job.
I respect you.
Firstly because yiou are a person, a girl, and secondly because I understand you perfectly.
And thank you for your explanation.
You open totally to me, a windows on the world.
Your world.

I want to know how my boyfriend was thinking and then I see there are things that men think that I didn't know. Lazarro, do your friends respect sex workers? If you take us to a party, will you feel embarassed if your friend knows I am a sex worker?
I will be very proud to take you all to a party, and if a friend of mine knows about your job, this is him problem, not mine.
But I ensure you that my Friends (with the capital "F"), have the same respect for each sex workers.
At least could be simply the reason that next time they come to you, and if they don't respect you, they will not receive a good service (but it is not this the main reason they respect you).
Why should I embarassed? C'mon! what did you do of wrong? sex is the oldest activity on this world (not the prostitution).
Without sex, we cannot be here to discuss.
Now, that it is easier to have sex without too much risk (I mean: babies, STD, .....) and consequently we can appreciate sex for what it is, I really don't understand why people must think bad about you!!!!
For your boyfriend, I can ensure you that most of men connect sex strictly with love.
I mean: sex is equal to love; if you have sex with me, you love me; if you have sex with anyone other, you love anyone other than me.
Also: most of men, are scared on their attitude; telling him you're sex worker he thought that you could compare the attitudes of your clients with his attitudes; Men are very worryed about the dimension of their penis: it means that while he is having sex with you, he could think that your pleasure is fake and surely you have seen some penis "better" than his one.

Now I turn you the same question:
Even if you're a sex worker, and your boyfriend comes to you and say "this afternoon I went to a prostitute", what do you do? How you react? Could you understand that he was needing "only" of an half hour of sex irrespecting you?
The question is very subtle, I know.

In the end, I can tell you that the main basis for a "long term relation of love" is the reciprocal honesty and the reciprocal confidence.
None of the partners must rise some suspicion to the other.

love you

[Bango Cheito]

Honesty is always the best policy as a rule of thumb, BUT there are some people out there who just cannot handle a truth of that magnitude, even though it doesn't take Sherlock Holmes to figure out that most guys want variety.

I think that it does have a lot to do with society and culture and what people REALLY want often has very little to do with what they want on the surface.

The monogamous nuclear family IMHO was constructed by humans, and has definitely served its purpose as a sort of glue holding many societies together but it is not necessarily the be-all and the end-all of human existence. I actually think in many ways the WG/client relationship is more in tune with nature than your typical contract of marriage! :P

I think a much greater % of the general population would be much more into swinging, kinky sex, open relationships, buying and selling sex etc. if it were not for worrying about 'what would people think'. I also think it is a beautiful thing when you can love and trust somebody enough to go BEYOND the petty jealousy and exclusivity of a monogamous relationship. In this context, having a WG as a lover would simply have positives and negatives just like any other profession. We all know that doctors and dentists, for example, have as high a danger of being exposed to communicable diseases as WGs do, but obviously no doctor's wife or husband runs around worrying about that on a daily basis!!

[China Lily]

I am like 2 different people. Some girlfriends are the same some are not. Every day when I start work I put on a mask and become a high class escort girl. I am never happy working unless a customer pays me a lot of money or buys me a big gift.

YES, I feel looked down on. I also look down on some customers. Most people are 2 faced. This is my job. I need to be tough and not care if people dont like me. Girls compete for customers all the time and some girls don't care what they do to get money or how people think of them. If a customer chooses another girl I feel bad and want to know why. Younger and fresh girls come all the time and low class girls take customers at lower prices. Girls sometimes fight for customers. With some customers, there is fear. You choose the best customers who will pay you but some won't pay first and then make you wait a long time, like you are begging. Sometimes a customer you know before has sex then says he will pay you next time, and wont pay. sometimes a customer says he wants you for 3 days and will pay a high price on the last day, then they make you chase for money. I have to be nice to customers and to act sexy or sophisticated, laugh at their jokes and make them feel good. I go to bars, discos and restaurants with customers even when I dont feel like it. He is in a party mood I am not.

With some escort and most regular customers or I don't have to compete and some are nice guys. I feel more like a high class escort person, I feel like I am better than other girls and I am very professional. It is easier to make money.

I think your girlfriend didn't feel safe unless she has money. That is why she worked all the time. You didn't make her feel safe. I need to feel safe so I always want to make money, every day. I work 7 days a week and only take holiday on national days. I can make normal months wages in one day, but when I get older I wont be able to get much money again so I must get it now. Even when I want to stay at home, in the evening all I think about is getting more money and go out.

Selling sex is my job. It is what I do. I usually do it and forget it when I go home. When customer pays for more than one girl, we always like it. My girlfriends all like 3 or 4somes. We don't look for it but if customers pay we always like it. If I see a movie with 3-4somes and pictures like Catalysts I always get horny.

When I go home I am another girl. I forget work. I want normal friends and a man who isn't paying me. I want to feel warm and safe and I want a baby. I hide work from my schoolfriends and family - except my brother. Whn I am a normal girl I don't think about sex and work and don't need it but I want the warm feeling of my boyfriend. I only pay for a duck boy for company like a pet not sex. I need somebody to care for me.

You can't be honest like Sasha if you want a boyfriend or husband. Men can't take it - no matter what you say - and I can't get it out of my mouth to tell my boyfriend. With my boyfriend I am a normal girl, I cant say those things to him or act like an escort with him. Next time I find a man I love, I will stop work and not tell him what I did before. My high class escort will go away and I will be a normal girl. Who cares how I got my money? Why does he need to know? I wont ask him about how many girls he had before.

[Alex Rock]

China Lily, Do you feel generally "looked down" on? Do you hide the fact you are a working girl from your non WG friends? You seem to be into sex with all kinds of people, not just your boyfriend, "duck boy", customers and group sex. Do you live a "normal" life?. What do you do when you are not having sex with somebody? Are your working girlfriends the same as you? You seem to be much like my ex girlfriend - she seemed to be obsessed with making money all the time rather than settling down.

[China Lily]

China Lily, your story seems like a fantasy and almost unbelievable. How can a wife go from the shock of finding out her husband had slept with a WG to threesomes and even going on a joint customer call with you.?

I also thought you much prefer warm sex with your boyfriend, and seem surprised you say some girls like to go for threesomes for free with girlfriends and their BF's or husbands. Is it threesomes you like or going with your girlfriends and their men in a non client relationship?

She was very angry and swearing mad when we got to her home, - it was not a fantasy - we thought she would fight and scream. After we started - and she was watching - she seemed to get excited. She had never done anything like that and was very angry calling her hsuband a sex crazy. I think for the first time in her life she experience so many new ways of sex, in a short time, she wanted to try everything. She was very excited when we with the customer - and even more crazy when she tried with 3 duck boys we got. She tell us she wanted to punish her hsuband, but she was excited too. Now she is the same person as before, but she doesnt look down on us any more and doesn't get mad at her husband. Some women come to KTV with their husbands or boyfriends and if his friends take girls, she will get used to the idea. Sometimes it is the opposite. A customer comes very often. His wife said she didn't ming because it was his work to take his customers out. One day she asked to come too, and said she would not mind him drinking with girls. He brought her and the next day she left him and they got divorced.

I love sex with my boyfriend but gentle and cuddy. Sometimes we go home with a girlfriend and if her boyfriend is there, we might talk as we take off make up and clean our face. If we feel sleepy and fall asleep, her boyfriend might wake up and we cuddle. If he starts sex, it feels different from customer and the boyfriend is not a customer. Only if we girls are together it is OK and it can feel good. If a customer pays for 2 girls ofr more, we try to go with a friend to feel safe. sometimes it is with a girl I might not like, but after the customer pays us to kiss and do it together we always like it. I don't know why. Some women like to pay Russian men sex workers, they are strong, and sometimes they like to try more than one - it can be a big turn on to have several guys at one time.

[Alex Rock]

For me, I am lucky, I learnt to market myself as an upmarket professional, not an upmarket professional working girl. I believe it is the attitude that makes people respect you not the job.

My lawyer once told me. Principals are expensive rubies and the poor have them.

It took me ages to realise the meaning of that statement. It just means that when you are professional and making money, no one cares how you make it, they care how you spend it. Only the poor people have time to judge how you make the money, and the only reason they sit on their morals as holier than thou is because they to damn lazy to go and earn money.

Anyway enough of my soap box. I am pleased and proud that you all consider my lowly opinions thought provoking.

Sasha, Your opinions are definitely not lowly - your perspectives are not what we usually run into and counter conventional wisdom. I can't tell you how much I appreciate your confident positioning yourself as "an upmarket professional, not an upmarket professional working girl". I'm sure others will agree.

[Alex Rock]

China Lily, your story seems like a fantasy and almost unbelievable. How can a wife go from the shock of finding out her husband had slept with a WG to threesomes and even going on a joint customer call with you.?

I also thought you much prefer warm sex with your boyfriend, and seem surprised you say some girls like to go for threesomes for free with girlfriends and their BF's or husbands. Is it threesomes you like or going with your girlfriends and their men in a non client relationship?