American Women

[Yogin]

So true.
My only experiences when AW's have been free & easy with sex, no worries, guilt or BS, were either when I or they were traveling, or on or right after 9/11. I know it sounds sick, but I did it on 9/11 while traveling on biz with someone I'd met on the internet and met in person that evening for the first time. "End of the world sex" I guess.

Otherwise, AW's treat sex as a chore or means to an end, such as marriage, money, jewelry, other gifts, etc.

[Sinanju Master]

"What happens in Vegas STAYS in Vegas" isn't necessarily isolated to Vegas, but I'd be willing to name it the 'Vegas Syndrome'. Think about it: you can indulge your ID (pay attention, you Psych majors) and cut loose like there's gonna be a catastrophic asteroid collision the very next day. After your ID is sated, you can go back to where it is you live with no one the wiser.

Man, I'm getting SO MANY IDEAS from this! LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

Excuse me while I sit in my high-backed chair and thoughtfully stroke the fur of my cat while I plan and plot!

[ILoveAnalSex]

There may be something to this Spring break Syndrome.

I moved to Las Vegas about 3 months ago. About 10 days ago, I started working on the Las Vegas Strip. In the past week, I slept with 2 women who were visiting Las Vegas on Vacation: One from Australia, the other from near Cincinnati. These girls approached me, started flirting, grabbing, teasing & then invited me to hang-out with them.

Now, the two girls I slept with each had a girlfriend with them on the trip & their girlfriend was equally touchy feely. They each took me to their hotel, bought me dinner/breakfast & I never spent a dime. Unfortunately, I couldn't pull off the menage-a-trois with either set of girls.

And I've lost count of how many times in the past 10 days I've been groped, had my ass slapped, been kissed, had some lewd comment or suggestion made to me, photos, hugs, etc., all while I’m minding my own business – I’m a work for Christ’s sake. And it seems that the more women there are in the group, the raunchier the women are; they feed off of each other. These are women from all walks of life, every race & every age group.

Now, I am no different here than I was in Florida or Chicago. In fact, I'm a little bit older, 36yo now. So it must be Las Vegas, or the fact that many people in Vegas are tourists. I’m sure this behavior is not relegated to just Las Vegas.

-ILAS.

[Alex Rock]

B9k, I never thought of it that way. I think you're right. One of my best friends always says the best aphrodisiac is a business trip.

A woman I went with said the same thing, but in a different way. She said she'd never do anything in her home town because he consequences would be too high, but on a business trip, (read "spring break"), there are no consequences and women like to screw around as long as nobody finds out.

[Bart9000]

All of the encounters you describe have an element of either yourself or the girl not belonging in the area where you are. This is "spring break syndrome" where a girl can get laid without getting the approval of her girlfriends on his worth as a potential boyfriend, judgement about her being slutty....It's one reason that we clash with the foreign guys now and then on here because our women go to their country and act approachable and give out the ass. all over the place ......THEY think, after seeing this that our women are great and we are a bunch of bitter assholes


B9k

[Alex Rock]

Maybe that is the point - When I've been out looking for a woman, I seem to fail but when I've not been looking for it, it happens. Maybe that's what AW need?

In Detroit, 4 times, I got talking to women on business trips and ended up in the sack. They weren't Detroit Women though. In Houston, a client's secretary took me around town, met some of her friends, then one night "would you like to come up for a coffee?". Common theme was that I don't think either side was looking for sex , then it happened.

In New York, it does seem women go out in groups for security, but I'm convinced over half are hoping they get laid. Sure, they get approached by all kinds of guys and they get to do the choosing. BUT, I've found taking a girl for dinner or a movie, sometimes not intending to - 90% of the time means they will be more than willing to hit the sack. Again - I think it's when you seem not to be looking for it it comes. Then from my very limited experience, I've overheard New York girls I've been with called their friends the next day to tell them all about it. I don't know whether that is good or bad?

Rock Dog - your approach is exactly why we like Escorts or Call girls, no baggage and we get to choose the time.

[Rock Dog]

I just laugh when I hear younger guys bragging about how "They never pay for it because they've got game." Ironic, beacause game really is a good description of what's going on.

Let's see, drinks at $10 apiece. That's after you've paid cover to get inside. Oh yeah, the ride to the club means you'll be paying for parking.... or a cab. Geez, these guys with the "game"....... they're already out $50 or $60 and that's only the first drink.

Not only that, but what is someone's time worth to them? Do I really WANT to be in some noisy club, losing my hearing while I try and convince some woman that I'm an OK guy, and it's OK for her to have sex with me? So, if you make 60k/ year your time should be worth around $30/hr since that's what you make at work. Therefore, someone wasting 4 hours of their time trying to get laid in some club has just used up $120 of their time. I make a lot more than that, so my time is worth even more to me. I don't have to think about spending $$$ on trendy clothes, shoes and expensive haircuts either.

My way? Spend five minutes picking out the girl of MY choice at my local MP, or even an escort with an online ad. I'm looking at maybe $120 at the MP up to $200 or so for the escort. I can go get laid at the time and place of my choosing, then I have the rest of the evening free to do whatever I like.

There's no such thing as getting laid for free, not after you turn 20 anyways. Guys that think they're getting laid for free because they've got "game" are just kidding themselves. If you showed them how much of their income actually goes towards getting laid, they'd probably find it's a lot more than they thought.

Rock

[Artisttyp]

I live in new york and I can tell you forget about it. Girls go out in packs to save themselves from drooling men and most of them dont go out to meet anybody . Girls night out is very diffferent than a guys night out.

Also keep in mind the recent violence that has been surrounding whats left of new york city nightlife.

A single guy looking to get laid will be feared....not to mention an average of $20 to get in the door and $6/7 for a beer. Girls dont drink beer they want the $10 and up drinks.

The only way to do nightlife is to go out with a pack of people buy a bottle at a table and so on. I'd rather not nor would many people on this forum.
Sounds like you would just love miami.

[Sinanju Master]

it seems the aw most of us complain about here are the stereotyped middle class, middle aged, conservative type. i guess if you're married to one, then life can be miserable.

no. since about '83, i started listening to aw's and their expectations/gripes and whatnot regarding men, and class and age have nothing to do with it. this is pretty much an issue that can be painted with a broad brush, with few exceptions.

you said you met some real fun women in detroit on business trips. were these meetings temporary (a few hours)? if you dated these women, (from what you said, it doesn't seem you did, but only chatted with them at length) then i'm sure it wouldn't have been very long before their true selves began to show and you would sour on them.

on a saturday night in clubs in new york, it seems easy to find well lubricated willing women.

sure there are lubricated women, but you gotta remember that in groups, they are subject to peer pressure. how many times have you seen a woman out alone in a club? not very often. you have to be like the tiger and get them when they are away from the safety of the disapproving herd. in a club, a woman is gonna have her shields fully powered, because she expects a guy to walk up to her with the purpose of geting into her pants. d-uh! make your approach when they are not expecting it: while doing everyday, mundane things like running errands or shopping, etc....

[Alex Rock]

C'mon guys, I think there is a huge variety among American Women. On a Saturday night in clubs in New York, it seems easy to find well lubricated willing women. Texan single women can be real fun and hospitable.

I've met some real fun women on business trips in Detroit.

It seems the AW most of us complain about here are the stereotyped middle class, middle aged, conservative type. I guess if you're married to one, then life can be miserable.

[Bart9000]

A while back I was messing around on AdultFriendFinder. Many of the local chat rooms have get-togethers at a local bar. I went to one in my area and not one of the women would I have sex with for any reason. They were friendly and nice in person, but all were fat and unattractive.

What's crazy is that men are so desperate for sex that even these incredibly unattractive women are flooded with interest from men wanting them for sex.

If American men are so desperate to stick their dick in ANYONE female that they will throw themselves at fat, ugly women, it is unimaginable what kind of interest attractive women get.

No wonder they think they are God's gift to men, and do all the crap that women do to [CodeWord140] off men.

Glad to see that you get what I'm saying.

When 70% of your women are 7's or 8's, the appearance of the odd 9 doesn't rock your world.

Conversely, when 60% are say below a 6, and 80% below a 7, a 9 practically need a bodyguard.


There was a post on the Odessa board to the effect of a guy saying to a local girl: "You are pretty, blonde, thin, and well educated....you should be having no problems getting a man to take care of you". She replied "We are ALL pretty, blonde, thin and well educated...here, I am nothing special."

B9k

[Neon Noodle]

Rock,

Yes, you're correct. AW are intensely resentful of American men who opt for foreign women. They are also very resentful of foreign women. American women have had it their way for a long time now and they are very threatened by competition.

Several years ago a female colleague of mine (who I thought was a friend) came into my office upon learning that I had an ongoing realtionship with a Czech woman that I went to see about 4-5 times per year. This colleague went on and on about how I only like foreign women because they're "subservient" and that what I was doing was tawdry, etc. I got the same static from my sister-in-law and virtually every other female who found out about my ongoing realtionship. They always infer that foreign women are inherently inferior to AW. American guys who have never been overseas also think the same thing. It's like foreign women are of a lower class because they're not American women. Having experienced women on both sides of the Atlantic, I can assure everyone that Eastern European and American women are anatomically identical and a lot more feminine.

Interestingly, the colleague who confronted me drives a Volvo. As you said, everything comes down to economics and choice it seems.

Paddy

I know what you mean. I went to Hong Kong this year to meet a Filipina I had met online. My first experience with a foreign woman ever and let me tell you I ain't looking back,,lol. I also noticed a general good nature to the women there as I have never seen before, the whole time I never saw any fat women either, lol.

I also got alot of flack from guys here,, most thought I was nuts to go so far to meet a woman or travel alone for vacation. None of them have traveled outside U.S. before, Although this was my first trip also and I claim in no way to be an expert, it opened up my eyes though and I liked what I saw and experienced.

I am 35 and never married yet decent looking, decent blue collar job and,, I seen too many of my friends get married quick and then taken to the cleaners, of all my friends only about a good handful I think will make it. So I have decided to take a different route.

[Elberto]

The 20% or so of women we have who are actually physically attractive must bear the brunt of ALL male attention.

A while back I was messing around on AdultFriendFinder. Many of the local chat rooms have get-togethers at a local bar. I went to one in my area and not one of the women would I have sex with for any reason. They were friendly and nice in person, but all were fat and unattractive.

What's crazy is that men are so desperate for sex that even these incredibly unattractive women are flooded with interest from men wanting them for sex.

If American men are so desperate to stick their dick in ANYONE female that they will throw themselves at fat, ugly women, it is unimaginable what kind of interest attractive women get.

No wonder they think they are God's gift to men, and do all the crap that women do to [CodeWord140] off men.

[Bart9000]

You guys absolutely have some valid points that I pretty much agree with.

I'm just saying that our view on this isn't the only way of looking at this, and there is some validity to complaints about men's behavior, even in our feminized wussiefied society. Granted, there is compensation for this (my friend will probably get her first break into a "real job" because her potential boss wants to fuck her) but still, it can be unpleasant to have to deal with, which reasonably results in some unpleasant behavior on their part.


I hear you about the Latin (and Asian, and Eastern European)cultures. However, there is a big difference. One girl there is GENERALLY to SOME degree (yes of course they have dogs and super hotties) just like another, as they generally don't have a proliferation of morbid obesity like we do here. The 20% or so of women we have who are actually physically attractive must bear the brunt of ALL male attention.

B9k

[Yogin]

agree totally. it's the culture, a depressing mix of feminist dogma & puritanical repression. don't blame police; they're just doing what is dictated by law, policy, politics, and pressure groups.

and don't blame men. men are men, the same everywhere. only here is it a crime to want sex. whether it's to look at porn, hire a girl, come on to a girl, tell a co-worker she looks nice today, hell, even referring to women as "girls", pin up a bikini calendar in your cubicle, etc, they have all become crimes or will be soon. most women now regard all men as potential [CodeWord127], and hetero sex by definition as [CodeWord123]. 40 years ago these were views held only by a few radical feminists, but now they've become very mainstream.