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11-20-06 07:20 #164
Posts: 427And here we have again, another.....
.....pathetic rationalization!!!!!!!!
The substitution of a rational pretext for a real reason, with an implication of self-delusion or hypocrisy; the improvisation of a plausible reason for a human action when one either does not realize the real reason or seeks to keep it secret; the use of a false but reasonable justification or interpretation of an attitude or action, which appears to be unsatisfactory or contrary to accepted reasoning, when one is either ashamed or not aware of his actual motive. HA. 78-79; TH. 280-82.
www.mises.org/easier/R.asp
Lets have Lesson 2: (Subtitled-"How not to be an irrational ignorant moron")
A "sound argument" generally consists of two things. A conclusion, and factual, valid supporting evidence (I may be using incorrect terminology)
When an argument is put forth, and is sound, it is presumed to be the winner, unless the other side can do one of two things:
1: Prove that the supporting evidence is not factual.
2. Prove that the supporting evidence which MAY in fact BE factual, does not suport the conclusion that is drawn from it as the premise of the argument. .
These are the ONLY things that "knock down" a "sound" argument, and making it "unsound", thus making the holder of the opposing position the winner of the debate.
Included in the list of things that DO NOT make an opposing argument "unsound" are some of the following:
Logical Fallacies (Ad Hominem and others)
Insults-"You are childish" "You are a sloppy thinker"
Rationalizations, such as "You just aren't worth it", "I'm not even going to read that because the formatting is terrible"
Reiterating, until you come up with a way to either prove that my supporting points are non-factual, or do not support my conclusion, you LOSE the argument. End of story. You can protest, rationalize deny and insult all day long, but that is all just basically pointless meaningless "noise".
Later, we'll deconstruct your last pathetic attempt to do this.
B9k
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11-20-06 06:18 #163
Posts: 135You just don't get it. You're not worth the effort.
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11-19-06 21:58 #162
Posts: 427Originally Posted by hardbarg
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Doing so would have exactly the same amount of validity and meaning, but would at least be something different to look at.
Well, I've pretty much definitively proven that you have the reasoning and analytical skills of your average gelatinous dessert. We REALLY need to hear more from people like you about how the world should be run.
But fear not-all isn't lost. Later, if I'm feeling motivated, I will continue to educate you in the mysterious ways of logic and reason. Be warned however if you master them you will have to change your political ideology.
B9k
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11-19-06 16:23 #161
Posts: 135Please tell me that you're going to hold your breath and stamp your feet until you get your way.
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11-19-06 09:00 #160
Posts: 427Originally Posted by hardbarg
From wikipedia
In Logic
"An ad hominem fallacy consists of asserting that someone's argument is wrong and/or he is wrong to argue at all purely because of something discreditable/not-authoritative about the person or those persons cited by him rather than addressing the soundness of the argument itself (Are you paying attention douchebag?). The implication is that the person's argument and/or ability to argue correctly lacks authority. ............"
Hmmmm....Know what else I don't see here? A FACTUAL justification that I have "sloppy thinking". Am I to assume then that by the rules you play by, again, one only need utter an assertion to have it be fact, without any support in reality? That being the case, having previously uttered said assertion, I must chastize you for your molestation under the pretense of hygeine of prepubescent third world boy's soccer teams. That type of behavior really is reprehensible and despicable. I understand that it is the "in" thing among the regressives in the GOP this year, but c'mon. I thought you people believed in "traditional values"....why don't you just let those "boys be boys".
B9k
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11-19-06 00:27 #159
Posts: 135Originally Posted by Bart9000
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11-18-06 18:49 #158
Posts: 427Originally Posted by Digital Curry
Obviously, I'm going to have to educate this fucktard:
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Lesson #1
Hey Douchebag,
Do you or do you not understand that you saying something does not make it a factual statement? For example, you have stated several times that I have "sloppy thinking". In what way is my thinking sloppy? Does you saying that I do make it a factual truth? If no further standard is applied than for something to be uttered from the lips, then I will make a statement that you like to give tongue baths to Bangladeshi pre-pubescent boys after they finish their soccer games. THERE!!!! See, I said it, so it's a factual truthful statement. That is exactly the standard that you want to be held to. So.........sweaty little Bangladeshi boys it is.
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Just watch too......I bet he is getting ready to start crying about (due to my usage of profanity) the "assault on traditional American Values" and "war on our culture" ...................on the fucking ISG....Generally speaking, I just LOOOVE that one.....These fucking pricks brag all day long about the Constitution and all of the freedom that the Bill of Rights guarantees............until someone says something they don't like.....then it's time to find a pretense to shut them up.
B9k
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11-18-06 16:45 #157
Posts: 96Nicely said...
Originally Posted by Sinanju Master
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11-18-06 15:58 #156
Posts: 480Originally Posted by hardbarg
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11-18-06 14:29 #155
Posts: 96Bart9000
Don't waste your breathe on these Ditto-Heads. They are too stupid to realize their news sources are being manipulated.
Digitalcurry
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11-18-06 14:29 #154
Posts: 135irony indeed
Originally Posted by Jelly Donut
The sad fact is that we have been blundering around this part of the world, Republican and Democrat, pretty much whenever we get involved. We better start learning how to be effective.
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11-18-06 08:48 #153
Posts: 427Originally Posted by hardbarg
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1. A relevant valid response to my points below. You can spew logical fallacies, things you "know" (but can't intellectually justify----those are called "feelings", and they matter for nothing), and insults all day long...they prove noting but your idiocy.
2. You not acting like a fucking pussy, manning up, finding some testicles, and admitting you are wrong.
3. Shut the fuck up and go back to giving Rush Limbaugh a rimjob.
So which one is it going to be?
B9k
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11-18-06 05:00 #152
Posts: 340Originally Posted by Sinanju Master
I remember reading an article during the Gulf War in the Wall Street Journal about relationship between the Carter Doctrine and it's impact on the US ability to project force in the Persian Gulf. Basically, the Russian invasion of Afghanistan kicked off an effort toward projecting American force into the Gulf. The first time that ability was tested was when Iraq invaded Kuwait.
So, I guess I see a bit of irony in Carter scoring a peace prize since I think basically there is not a lot of difference between Carter, Reagan, Bush, Clinton or Bush when it comes to US interests in the Persian Gulf.
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11-18-06 00:42 #151
Posts: 135pointless blather
Originally Posted by Bart9000
Yeah - I don't care. Actually, it makes me proud.
Originally Posted by Bart9000
Guys like Dodger are willing to go to the trouble of pointing out and correcting your sloppy thinking. I don't have to.
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11-17-06 22:07 #150
Posts: 128Dodger
That is the craziest thing I have ever heard.
You poor guy. Sounds to me like the woman who complained needs a decent shag to bring her back to reality.