American Politics

[MJG Dogs]

hey beavis;

When are the alligators going to be planted in the Rio Grande. Your idea about securing the Rio Grande is th ebst I have heard so far. Also read up on some more shit, Tancredo is stating that there is framework already started led by Dumbo and Vicente fox to create an American Union an AU, that means se se puede everywhere, we need to stop this shit, oh I too will be in Colombia full time. I hope all is well...

yes americans Bush is giving away our soverignty to the free trade crowd, we may become part of a EU like union. THAT WOULD REALLY SUCK

[Beavis]

Quote Lewis Black:

"The only thing dumber than a Republican or a Democrat is when these assholes work together".

[MJG Dogs]

well george- what does the american household do when it is in debt-

It cuts spending
It does not buy on credit

Why can't our government freeze the level of spending and entitlements for three to five years? If we quit spendign money like drunks, then it the needs to borrow moneis from foreign investors would decrease. But no, both Demorats and Republicans earmark all kinds of wasteful shit, and give away everything. Also why for God sakes do we still give europe, Military aid?. That is a zero retrun on investment?

[George90]

Sinaju- you may be right and that is an excellent parallel you bring up. However the EU needs to clean up its own mess before it dictates to the American people and to the american government, conversly, maybe it is time for the american government to cut bait with Europe. Europe is a drag on the american government and the american people, we get very little , if any return from the Europeans, except our tourist get hassled and spat upon, by the more "civilized europeans".

What you say may be correct. However, I think you have left some important stuff out of the argument. The US is not in a strong economic position due to its huge budget and trade deficits. Our federal government borrows from foreigners to plug the deficit. Those foreigners are mostly Chinese, Arab, and European.

All any of them need to do to Royally F*** the US is simply to stop lendng to our federal government (through buying Treasury bonds). The consequences of that will be a huge drop in the value of the US dollar, much higher interest rates, and much higher inflation rates.

We saw some of that happen last year when South Korea accidently said that they planned to "rebalance" their reserve currency portfolio to include more euros and less dollars. The Koreans had to scramble fast telling everyone for a week that they were only thinking about it, they had no plans to actually do it. South Korea is a MINOR player in the US T-bill market. Imagine what will happen if an oil money rich Arab country, like Saudi Arabia, said the same thing!

[MJG Dogs]

Sinaju- you may be right and that is an excellent parallel you bring up. However the EU needs to clean up its own mess before it dictates to the American people and to the american government, conversly, maybe it is time for the american government to cut bait with Europe. Europe is a drag on the american government and the american people, we get very little , if any return from the Europeans, except our tourist get hassled and spat upon, by the more "civilized europeans".

More dialogue on the french/Israel situation on the Jerusulem Post website for those who want to see what is going on, for this is not being reported on by the Americand media, too hot for them I guess. I guess they would rather report on Michael Richards and his stupid rant, or on Tom Cruise/katie Holmes, pathetic man.

[Sinanju Master]

Very intelligent post. I just wonder what took you so long. I wish you had engaged in that type of thinking when you tried to bait me into a flame war with you 2 months ago.

I don't try to "bait" ANYONE. If I perceived the fact that you trashed me without provocation (such as you did A] WITHOUT offering an intelligent alternative and B] offering the tip of a sword instead of the open hand of intelligent dialogue), I'll return fire. You did JUST THAT and I returned fire.

Can we put down the swords now?

MJD, the EU (in my opinion) is only a monetary might because they assembled a machine of many parts that was made to think alike. However, remember that a machine that has many moving parts is more likely to break down than one that has fewer moving parts (like the US). I get more and more hints from the opinions of the man on the street that the EU is an inperfect machine.

[MJG Dogs]

well now- we can all now change course and talk about what the US Government is going to do over the tensions brewing between Israel and the French. The french "so-called" peacekeepers are now threatening to shoot down IDF recon pilots, whom are trying to find where hezbollah has rearmed. If the US government were smart, they would let Israel deal with the French. I think the French would get off one shot and that would be it, Israel's IDF will massacre the French. Then what would we get. We would get more of the Anti-Semetic venom spewing from the European Union, more blustering etc... and then the Anti-American venom would come out of the sewers of Brussels etc... For these days Europe not only scapegoats their problems towards the Jews ( my my some things never change), but also blame the Americans. The American public needs to realize that Europe is not, nor has not been our allies,e xcept the british, since the of the second war, and this is regardless of whom is the President. The smug bastards liked Clinton because they talked Clinton into doing their dirty work in the Balkans, but always criticized Clinton about other trade issues etc... Granted the venom was not like it is now, but it was still there during Clinton's tenure. These Europeans I think yearn for a day when the American public will follow what Brussels dictates. No american government, nor will the american public ever tolerate the restrictions of Kyoto, or tolerate a German or European court having to ability to grab Americans for trial in Brussels, or tolerate Eu/World consumption taxes and some of the looney shit that the Euro's want to attempt to impose on us
I must say these europeans are something else, their arrogance is beyond belief.


Bush and Rice should do the right thing here and stay the fuck out of this fight on the surface, but should continue to send Israel military aid. The EU has allied with the Arabs in order to get their oil and the appease the 25 million muslims living in Europe, and of course in order to hope that the Jewish people dissapear from the earth once and for all. Europe is still the anti-semetic place it was in the 1930's.

Do not be surprised if there is armed conflict soon. I personally would enjoy and IDF raid on Paris....

[George90]

Guys this flame war is a waste of time and it can be draining on the combatants. Several years ago, I was in a flame war with another poster over what I thought was his misguided thinking. After thinking about his comments that led to the war, and doing a little introspection, I actually came to the conclusion he was right and I was wrong. Looking back on the war, it unnecessarily took a lot of my time that could have been better spent doing other things. Thinking about how to "return fire" in order to lay waste to your opponent is a waste of time. Also, it's not productive regarding the purpose of the title of the board.

Very intelligent post. I just wonder what took you so long. I wish you had engaged in that type of thinking when you tried to bait me into a flame war with you 2 months ago.

[Hardbarg]

sfb9000:

you DO like to hear yourself talk.

[Sinanju Master]

if Dubya was interested in FREEING the citizenry of country X, then why didn't he free the citizens of NORTH KOREA? Their citizens are suffering (oppression, starvation, etc) under Kim Jong Il (and before HIM, Kim Il Sung) AND they are a nuclear threat! Hmm... lemme see, I guess he chose to pick on Iraq INSTEAD of North Korea because North Korea has a very sizeable army (the fourth largest on earth), nuclear weapons, China as an ally (1.3 BILLION people), and no oil. That's MY take on why Dubya and his administration are fraudulent. Not to mention that he should never have been Prez in the FIRST PLACE. His supporters would rather have a fog-minded simpleton who's God-fearing than someone who is capable and doesn't kowtow to the "Christian Mafia".

[Carlos Primeros]

Gentlemen,

I had been through most of the wars in Africa, Asia and the Balcans.

I started out in Angola and Mozambique, than my government had the brilliant idea to send me to the collapsing Vietnam. Cambodia was next before I ended in the Iraq/Iran war. This war was fun. On the Iraqi side you had been sitting behind the mine-fields watching the the Iranian boys getting their limps blown away with their green plastic key of paradies around their neck. It was really fun shooting with a GIMPY on some of the kids. Later it was some African countries and then Bosnia. It was nice killing other people just because the had been in front of your machine-gun. - DO YOU REALLY BELIEVE THIS?????

In my opinion every politician who orders soldiers to the front should go first and take the first bullet. I guarantee - there will be no war in the world anymore.

Mr. Bush was defending FREEDOM of the FREE WORD in Texas during the Vietnam war. I was missing him when Saigon fell to the communists. Where was he???

Please - every poitician who is advocating war should simply come with me to see it first-hand.

But I really think that they are only interested in the amount they have on their bank-account. Right Mr. Cheney?

Carlos Primeros
deposed king of Portugal and tired of all wars in the world!

[Bart9000]

Yea man I hear you. BELIEVE ME I have better things to do than rip up morons all day and night(and there are an infinite number of them). You will notice that I originally ignored the incredibly ignorant post of this MJ whatever fucktard .....and actually my "declaration of victory" below was a big final smack before I started to ignore douchebag's brilliant "retorts"......de facto "I know you are but what am I", which could go on to infinity.

On the other hand, I am a little touchy about the assault that goes on against ration, reason and logic, having seen in the last five plus years the damage that can be done by that type of thinking (dubya "just knew" Iraq had WMD, millions of evangelicals or whatever KNOW that they are the "chosen people" and the only ones going to heaven, and that everyone who believes anyting else needs to be "corrected".....at the expense of their freedom and civil rights). Now I do realize I can lash out and explain logical arguments against room temperature IQ's like these two all day long to no effect (and it really doesn't matter, because most likely they aren't in a position to affect the world at large). But then they aren't the only ones reading.............Now fortunately, most of the actual POWER moving engaged in the direction has been neutralized (ironically the premise of the original post that started this little war)..........but the defense of liberty requires eternal vigilance.....even on the internet

B9k

[Sinanju Master]

I'm gonna wear a white and black striped jersey. Guys this flame war is a waste of time and it can be draining on the combatants. Several years ago, I was in a flame war with another poster over what I thought was his misguided thinking. After thinking about his comments that led to the war, and doing a little introspection, I actually came to the conclusion he was right and I was wrong. Looking back on the war, it unnecessarily took a lot of my time that could have been better spent doing other things. Thinking about how to "return fire" in order to lay waste to your opponent is a waste of time. Also, it's not productive regarding the purpose of the title of the board. I'm not telling you not to fight ('cos I know you'll continue without my intervention, anyway) but do you really want to plot all day, thinking about a witty, slicing remark that will "put my enemy in his place"? I'm probably the LAST guy who should be saying this for fear of appearing to be on a high horse, but let's get back to intelligent discourse. <blowing whistle to resume play>

[Bart9000]

I'm sure that this is going to be lost on you, but I was MAKING a POINT with my gross and depraved comments about third world boy's soccer teams. Your brother in stupidity, douchebag doesn't understand that one needs to do more than MAKE a statement about someting in order for it to be a factual truth.

I was going to let someone else straighten you out in the interest of not being involved in a flame war, but now that you bring it up, YOU are a fucking moron, too.


The UN-Yea, multi-lateral decision making is a REAL bad idea (you get the sarcasm right?). Let's see here-WE think invading IRAQ is a good idea. France and Germany don't. Hmmmm maybe we should listen to someone who has a different perspective for example before we start a war FOR NO FUCKING REASON, that is probably going to end up killing well over one million INNOCENT citizens of Iraq, not to mention our casualties, including the what (I can't remember the exact number) huge number of maimed and mangled solldiers......or the national debt......you understand that WE get to pay that right....and here you are crying about taxes. I can't definitively verify this to be true, but I'm inclined to believe it-each American taxpayer's share of the Iraq war is currently just a hair nder $30,000.


The EU -is slowly, methodically wiping out poverty in Eastern Europe through free trade and mobility of labor..........basically slowly turning "Prague into Paris". Fuck, I could even see them in 20-30 years starting to expand into the North African countries to continue the process there.

And I don't even know where to start with your assertions that we should have HELPED the Serbs commit ethnic genocide against Muslims. Prejudiced bigoted fuck just for starters. You do understand that people who aren't like you are also human beings right?

Your logic: Some Muslims are terrorists. So we should destroy all Muslims (by supporting an ethnic cleansing).

Well here is the problem with that. SOME AMERICANS are terrorists. Does the name Tim McVeigh ring any bells? How about Ted Kazinski? Didn't the individual mailing anthrax turn out to be a local boy too? By your logic, since SOME Americans are terrorists, it would be OK for someone to wipe us out.

Guantanamo-given that you seem to think that ethnic genocide is a good idea, you probably don't have a problem with the concept of a potentially innocent men rotting their lives away in a jail cell for the duration of a theoretically indefinite war. Well I do. The Bush administration says these are "bad people" (and I'm not saying that some of them aren't). Well we've all seen their track record on being correct.

Wire Tapping-See my comments about trending towards fascism

B9k

[MJG Dogs]

Jesus Christ Bart- stop the comments about third world boy's soccer teams. That is way over the line. Actually if you want my opinion, you come accross as
a egotistical fool who does not have enough smarts to know when he has gone over the line. realistically I don't give a shit if you gave hardbag a thumping, nor do the other 3,000 + others whom read this thread. Nobody gives a fuck. Okay????? Bill Clinton wouldn't give a fuck either,