2006 Rio de Janeiro Reports

[MrLowDown]

The reason everyone is concerned about the influx of black americans,can be summed up in a few words, Detroit,Oakland,New Orleans,Compton... we dont want Help to turn into these kinds of places where blacks,and blacks alone, proudly destroyed these cities and turned them into ghettos. We as tax paying americans are now paying for these people that are proud to not work and live in these conditions.The bravado that blacks have for growing up in these places is amazing. "i grew up in the ghetto mannn!! im street.Im just being myself out here in rio"blah blah.. Its only a matter of time before help becomes like detroit. Of course blacks will blame racism and never take responsibility for their own actions.If black people dont want the negative press they get, they should change the image they portray about themselves.Its real simple.people talk about how a small % can be so dominant in rio. Well here is a stat: blacks make up 13% of the population but make up 70% of the prison population. these are facts. Thats why we are worried about help. We dont want the criminal element destroying Help. I will give blacks more respect when they earn it. period.flame away!!

I' guess I’ll throw my two cents in. 1st off, I happen to be a very well educated, young and quasi-wealthy Black American. I go to Rio because I like exotic looking black women. These are the ones I seek out. Perhaps others go to find a tall blond or a slender European looking gorota, but I go for Black Beauty.

I have a lot in common with these women. Let's face it; most of the girls that we see in Rio would be characterized as Black in America. They are like me and I am like them. My Grandfather was a white man and my Grandmother on my mother's side of the family was Cherokee Indian. Essentially my blood mixture is very close to the majority of Brazilians. Their dominant features come from the African blood that has been mixed with the native Indians and the Portuguese that settled Brazil. My dominant features come from African, white and Indian blood also. Why is it a problem for me to go be with my own? The last time I was in Rio, a gorota invited me to her favella home and her mother cooked Brazilian food for me that was almost exactly like that food my Mom Cooks for me when I go home. Frankly, Black People feel comfortable in Brazil because the culture is very similar to our own. There is racism in Brazil also, but it is much less pronounced.

Listen, we all go to Rio to have a good time. So, this goes for Blacks, whites and others. Leave that racism shit at home when you travel to Brazil.

Also, on the subject of "spoiling" Rio, Rio was already worse than Compton, New Orleans and Detroit combined by the time most of us ever discovered it.

You guys can waste your time and energy arguing about race. While you are at it, I’ll be grabbing every one of the these that I can find.

[Catire]

Now thats what I am talking about Joe!! See, thats the type of honesty that I was looking for! So many mongers are so concerned about appearing PC, they just arent willing to admit their true feelings.

Truth is, brothas know how White guys feel about us in Rio, werent not stupid. Not sure why they feel such animosity towards us, but it is refreshing to see a monger be upfront about his feelings.

I knew that's what you were fishing for Dude, but this particular fish wasn't going to bite at your way too obvious bait.

I stand by what I write/wrote and thankfully to their credit, as opposed to yours, I didn't find any brothas in Rio who were defensive about talking with this particular whitey.

[Bravo]

Now thats what I am talking about Joe!! See, thats the type of honesty that I was looking for! So many mongers are so concerned about appearing PC, they just arent willing to admit their true feelings.

Truth is, brothas know how White guys feel about us in Rio, werent not stupid. Not sure why they feel such animosity towards us, but it is refreshing to see a monger be upfront about his feelings.

[Catire]

The reason everyone is concerned about the influx of black americans,can be summed up in a few words, Detroit,Oakland,New Orleans,Compton... we dont want Help to turn into these kinds of places where blacks,and blacks alone, proudly destroyed these cities and turned them into ghettos. We as tax paying americans are now paying for these people that are proud to not work and live in these conditions.The bravado that blacks have for growing up in these places is amazing. "i grew up in the ghetto mannn!! im street.Im just being myself out here in rio"blah blah.. Its only a matter of time before help becomes like detroit. Of course blacks will blame racism and never take responsibility for their own actions.

I refuse to be associated with comments such as one above

although I've seen some thug-ish or wannabe-thuggish types there in years past, that was NOT the case this year. Almost every African American guy I met there this year was laid back, friendly and many of them, especially the older guys have professional jobs back in States. How else do you think they'd be able to afford such vacations? (and many of them come down up to 6-10 times a year!)

btw. it's worth noting that your average African American monger, as opposed to white American or Euro monger is younger and in much better physical shape. Some of those guys were built like Greek gods. I suspect what they were paying was much less than what others were paying LOL

[Catire]

I wasnt quoting you and I wasnt picking a fight. If you noticed, I put 5 different adjetives for people to choose from. I just find it interesting that on many different boards, mongers find it neccesary to quote the influx of Black Americans. I never understood why that was such an important fact.

Let me ask you a quick queston. Within the past 5 years, did you ever mention the large number of White Americans in Rio in any report or post that you made? Did you ever find it "amazing/interesting" enough, to mention that observation? Better yet, have you ever ready any report by ANY monger who has mentioned the large number of White American Mongers in Rio in the entire history of this board?

let me ask you this.
why were all the adjectives you chose, PEJORATIVE adjectives?
I used no pejorative adjectives anywhere. Do you have an agenda?

as a matter of fact, yes, I have in the past talked about the various composition of various sex tourist groups in Rio, whether they be American and or European.

In fact, back in the day, I loved focusing on the Italians and their high spending Rio ways, with their special little Help champagne tables, etc.

like it or not, each ethnic group has its own little pecularities and things that sometimes people like commenting on.

I'm not sure why you're so uncomfortable with me pointing out something obvious. If 15% of a country's population becomes a dominant group within a larger group, to me that's worth of note/observation. This would clearly not be the case with say 80% of the population.

and if you're that curious, I can also point out there were some Asian young guys in Help (probably Asian American though not sure) that also looked kids in a candy store (though they probably overpaid by factor of 2, because that's what happens when you have that kid in candy store look)

[Bravo]

I wasnt quoting you and I wasnt picking a fight. If you noticed, I put 5 different adjetives for people to choose from. I just find it interesting that on many different boards, mongers find it neccesary to quote the influx of Black Americans. I never understood why that was such an important fact.

Let me ask you a quick queston. Within the past 5 years, did you ever mention the large number of White Americans in Rio in any report or post that you made? Did you ever find it "amazing/interesting" enough, to mention that observation? Better yet, have you ever ready any report by ANY monger who has mentioned the large number of White American Mongers in Rio in the entire history of this board?

[Catire]

[QUOTE=Bravo]

just got back from a short trip.

You know what I find very interesting. I have never seen a monger ask "Why are there so many White Americans in Rio?" But for some reason, mongers find it odd/pecular/strange/disturbing/upsetting that Black Americans are going to Brasil for vacations. I am not saying that this is your opinion, I am just noticing that you found it neccesary, to comment on the number of African Americans, you saw in Copa.

because if you really want to be OBJECTIVE, it's an obvious point of observation and it's also a big change from say a decade ago, particularly in the last 5 years or so.

I don't find it odd/peculiar/strange/disturbing or upsetting. If you're going to quote me, do so properly.

I merely said I found it "amazing" (perhaps interesting would be the best adjective) , and I find it such because considering the waves of tourists that go there, what is essentially a small minority in the US now constitutes the largest majority among the global tourist Rio masses.(amongst so called monger types anyways).

Rasta, I would challenge the assertion of "reasonable pricing" on your list, perhaps reasonable by US/European standards (which I don't even look at , but not by developing world standards.

Austriaco, EA and others, of course I am only commenting on the commonplace P4P areas in Copa.

I'm also not shocked at color of any so called mongers anyplace. I was in a disco in Jakarta last month that was wall to wall Arab and they were all there for the same thing.

lastly, re the Zona Sul/Centro argument, that depends on why you go where you go. for me the experience of Rio pretty much involves being in Manhattan by the beach. I don't go there to merely fuck, but while there, I happen to fuck. In my 7 nights there, I had company on 5 nights, and I don't dilly dally during days.

for me Centro would be an interesting option if I wanted to spend some longer term time down there and immerse myself in Portuguese

lastly, El Austrica, I find it worthwhile to point out that for e.g. when a Barbarella girl dresses up to go out and back with you to wherever, she happens to for the most part look like a regular girl on the street, whereas anything from Help will never be mistaken for anything other than a hooker. Not sure this means anything, or it should, but thought I'd point it out. Don't think I love Barbarella, I don't, I find it the perfect example of a "clip joint".

[Knuckhead]

Gentlemongers:

Sexplorer has found himself with a few off days at the end of the year and is seriously contemplating a last minute "surgical" ambush on Rio termas. This precision operation will commence arriving Dec 28th and end leaving January 1st.

My current assumption would be that the downtown termas will be open Thursday 28th and Friday 29th, but closed Monday 1st. Similarly, I am assuming that the zona sul termas will be open on Saturday 30th. I have no idea about Sunday 31st.

As a public service to this mongering community, would one you gentlemen currently on the ground be kind enough to confirm as much of this information as possible and post on the board? The situation on December 31st and January 1st is, of course, the most critical to the success of this covert mission.

Kind regards

Sexplorer

[El Austriaco]

A few comments on the various topics being addressed here these past few days:

1) Anyone, ANYONE, who says anything other than "by far the largest group of mongers in Rio is BRAZILIAN mongers" has obviously never been far beyond Meia Pata, Help, or Copacabana at that. As increasing numbers of mongers are discovering, there's an entire world beyond the usual Copa P4P hangouts. I invite everyone to expand their worldview a bit. Copacacana is NOT Rio. After all, we are ALL visitors in Rio, regardless of the color of our skin or where we come from, so let´s show some respect.

2) Why is it that, while mongers of all races and creeds are dying to one day being able to descend upon Rio and experience all colors and sizes of carioca women, there are still some mongers out there who honestly seem to be astonished that, surprise surprise, guys come in different colors, too? Yes, even mongers? Now who would have thought of that?

3) Barbarella: well, it's the attitude expressed in statements a la "you get what you pay for in Rio" that allows ripoff joints like Barbarella to exist in the first place: by attracting tons of bushy-tailed, inexperienced tourists with money to blow who are somehow convinced that there, and only there, they will get an experience unlike elsewhere in Rio. Needless to say, other joints follow in its footsteps, like Frank's, Cicciolina's, etc. If you like the environment, please go there, if you think that nothing but the most expensive is good enough for you, please knock yourself out: but don't kid yourself even one moment that you are getting something that you couldn't get elsewhere at a fraction of the cost.

4) Barbarella is just a dream come true for a P4P worker. So where does she go when she strikes out there one evening? You are absolutely right: the other place in Copacabana where tons of hapless first-time tourists usually hang out in Copacabana. Help.

5) Once you figure out that all P4P action in Copacabana, ALL OF IT, is so ridiculously overpriced that it is really beyond belief, you will no longer be surprised about R$ 500 first time offers by pretty average Help girls during stupid tourist season. Their reasoning is, "Hey, they are stupid enough to pay ten times the going rate (like R$ 300 instead of R$ 30), there sure must be SOME dumb enough to pay almost 20 times the going rate!". And you know what, they are right!

6) If you need any confirmation of the above, read the statement below by Urcarioca "R$ 300 is a good deal when they started with a R$600 for one pop." I fail to see any logic in that: so if the next time, a girl starts with a first offer of R$ 1000, then R$ 500 would be a good deal, Urcarioca? Or R$ 1000 after an initial offer of R$ 2000? I am sorry, but that's insane... and good business for the girls.

7) Statements a la "they are so much classier, educated, etc." really just make me laugh, guys. We are talking about Rio hookers, remember? So she speaks a bit of a foreign language, she has decent manners, and doesn't embarass you every minute, good for her. Applaud her on her accomplishments and her ability to fit in. But never ever forget we are talking about hookers working different segments of the Rio tourist industry: whether you meet them at Barbarella or Help, in a therma or on the pista. And as a matter of fact, you may meet the very same girl in different places over time, as Rio Bob has correctly pointed out. Sometimes within a very short time span, or even the same night.

8) In Rio, prices are highly dependent on the environment you meet them in, and hardly anything else. Prices most certainly have very little to with beauty (however you wanna define it) or performance (however you wanna rate it). You don't believe me, take your time to look through the Photo section and compare some of the VM girls (who go for R$ 30.00) to some of the recent finds in front of Help commanding R$ 150.00 or so. Believe me when I tell you that you will find tons of uglier girls in Rio who will ask for R$ 300 and up. Wanna take them up? Go ahead, it's your money. I just don't see any reason to.

9) Hotels don't allow two girls in at the same time in Rio, for a reason, and that's probably for your own good. Even a cursory search here on ISG would have quickly confirmed that. You wanna do two girls, go to a lovel motel.

10) I am also especially wary of attempted robberies by young kids in the gringo zoo (between Veranda Help and Meia Pataca). And yes, never walk anywhere at night, even if it's only one block from Help. Cabs all the way. I also fail to see how proximity to Help is supposed to make an apartment and/or hotel especially attractive: you are really in mugger heaven, you can't walk home at night, and you can't easily hang out in the vicinity after dark. But anyhow...

And finally, Catire...

11) "Can you really be in Rio and enjoy Rio for what it is, when you are in the city center, and not by the beach?". Yes, I can. Considering that I am not doing the girls on the beach, and I don't think this would be a good idea. Sorry, but a view of Sugarloaf Mountain or Cristo Redentor while doing a hottie doggy-style has never been a turn-on for me. Never needed one

In conclusion, just my way of saying hello to everyone, or to use the words of Wonder Mike, "to the black, to the white, the red, and the brown, the purple and yellow... but first i gotta bang bang..."

And of course, the most important rule in Rio:

"If your girl starts actin' up, then you take her friend"

Peace,

EA

[Ezinho]

Nice bar, with many english speaking people.

Corner of R. Paula Fritas and N.S. Copacabana.

No GDP scene but interesdting fun after mid-night.

Tom

Ummm, do you mean The Mud Bug? I think you do. It's a pretty cool Sports Bar with some hot waitresses. You're probably right about no GdPs, although I do remember seeing some older, slutty women there, if you're into some older non-pro possibilities.

Then again, who knows, maybe they were GdPs. I think it's safe to assume that any bar that is located in Copa has at least one GdP working there.

[Bravo]

[QUOTE=Catire]just got back from a short trip.

speaking of black, African Americans are by far the biggest monger group in Rio which is a little amazing considering they constitute 12% or so of the American population, and Rio of course also has European tourists, etc.
Some people claim this has caused the scene to go down/deteriorate, and though I agree about the deterioration, I find no linkage with a lot of brothas being down there, because when one asks, how, why the answers are not satisfactory. Ergo, I find such comments tinged with racism.






You know what I find very interesting. I have never seen a monger ask "Why are there so many White Americans in Rio?" But for some reason, mongers find it odd/pecular/strange/disturbing/upsetting that Black Americans are going to Brasil for vacations. I am not saying that this is your opinion, I am just noticing that you found it neccesary, to comment on the number of African Americans, you saw in Copa.

[Gladiator]

If you want to see a different "disco" you should visit Rio Scenarium in Centro, Rua do Lavradio 20. This place is very impressing. A huge place with a pista for samba and a also a disco playing MPB. It´s decorated in an amazing way, looking like a giant antique shop.

Around 22 hs there were many older people, couples and girls 35+. After midnight a younger crowd arrived and filled up the disco. I didn´t see any GPs, but lots of nice regular girls. I found a carioca with giant boobs.

R$ 25 to enter.

Veja Rio elected Rio Scenarium as the best casa with live music.

http://www.rioscenarium.com.br/

I’ve been to this place, one of the most surreal discos I’ve ever been to.

The crowd ranges from 20-70 yo, so you will fit in regardless of your age.

I would advise getting in and out by taxi as I spotted some dodgy types in the surrounding streets – when I got out there were a couple of taxis outside so that doesn’t seem to be a problem.

[Zidaho]

That's my favorite question to anyone who looks american and 70% of the time when an answer comes back in English it's an African American. It's a monger brotherhood here in the Rio thermas, I love it!!

[Zidaho]

I met a really classy lady at Help last week and have spent quite a bit of time together. She is about 38-40, was living in the USA for about 5 years married to an American, but hated it because she was stuck in Dallas with a big house to take care of and no friends. She is going to Germany next week for 6 months to stay and work with a plastic surgeon. He is giving her some inplants and some facial/eye work. In my opinion she is frickin hot just the way she is, tall thin, nice ass and perky tits, elegant with a classically beautiful face. But then again, what woman wouldn't want some enhancements particularly when she is going into her 40's and has a couple of 20 year olds to put through college. She is a no nonsense pleasant woman, splendid personality and treats men like clients rather that retail customers, I have very much enjoyed all the time I have had with her. And she actually has a lot less baggage then some of the 20 year olds I have been with or at least she has it compartmentalized better.

We went to Dos y Dos last Friday night 60R entry fee for the two of us. We both like that scene, I been to a bunch of swinger places in the USA and this was similar just larger number of young couples in Rio. Nevertheless Theresa was the hottest looking female, great dancer, dynamic personality, I could see most of the guys had their eye on her and when we got upstairs most of the women were eager to kiss her get their hands on her, we had a lot of fun and she was very considerate toward me with her selections she likes pretty women too. We went through at least a dozen condoms. They have music and dancing starting around 11:00 for a couple hours then about 12:30 several professional strippers go on stage (similar to Solarium on couples night) then after the show everyone starts going upstairs for sex. It's fun, because Theresa is sexually confident take charge woman who loves to laugh and have lot's of good sex. She has a few TV celebrity friends who have taken her here for parties. I really like the sexually mature confident brazilian women.

[Cool Hand Luke]

I've just returned to Rio after an absence of about three years and I was curious to discover if this particular Terma was still open. I was pleased to discover that for this establishment it is still business as usual. The location is very convenient as it is right on Av Copacabana in the heart of Copa.

I made my way to the second floor where the X Ray machine ensured that I was'nt carrying any firearms. It is a small friendly club with Steam Sauna, Showers and three Private Rooms. Here making a choice should not be difficult as there are just four girls working who I would rate around the six mark. I settled for Sara, a 26 yr old Mulata with a nice body and welcomimg smile.

The small room had a single bed and wash-hand basin. There was evidence that the club had attracted the interest of the local police as there was a sign on the wall saying that sexual acts were not permitted on the premises. Well all I can say is that I had a pleasant and varied 30 minutes with Sara culminating in a Greek style finale.

Club Name : Terma Copacabana
Adress : Room 203
Edifico Rubilite
583 Av Copacabana (next HSBC Bank,Nr jnct Sigueiro Campos)
Open : Monday to Saturday 11.30- 21.30
Prices: 30 mins:RS 105...40 mins: RS 125...60 mins :RS 165
(Prices are all inclusive)