2006 Bangkok Reports

[M P Lurker]

what generalizations? i was making a joke with o**** when referring to "dark complexions" largely because he prefers women from buriram and surin who almost all have dark skin. this is not a genralization. this is just fact.

i happen to like isaan girls, at least of a certain type.

but, as i've said repeatedly, before, i don't like those in p4p. they're crude, rude, dress badly, act badly and speak badly. it never ceases to amaze me how some guys develop righteous indignation about the slightest criticism of isaan hookers.

btw. as i've said many time, my gf comes from isaan and has white skin.

o.k. sorry mate, i'm over-reacting to your attempts to provoke opebo i guess.
my gf is issan also from ubon (my very first issan gf and the best) and is neither dark not white, but just right
:-) and face shape is narrow with a small not-flat nose (somewhat untypical).
i rarely go for very pale skinned girls.
we all generalise at times of course.
like this one from above "they're crude, rude, dress badly, act badly and speak badly" o.k. maybe a fair percentage are, but not all.
i just need to get used to loosly interpreting these type of statements.
its a pity many working girls lose the ability to act like a normal girl when they are not at the bar.
and your right in the other post. we just can't afford to know them at all.
could easily meet one in the street who cannot be trusted to be at all discreet.

you can criticise hookers, of course, if it turns you on. i try not to be too critical since since i haven't given them up completely, but will try to stick to good ones on an occassional basis. i'll try to criticise specific girls more so than the masses.

[Sebastian My]

I know this isn’t the most popular of topics to discuss but I would be very interested in getting some feed back on it from the locals, ex-pats, BKK regulars and first timers. Has anyone picked up any nasty STDs or bugs while mongering in Bangkok. If, so what did you get a how did you get it. (ie were you wearing a condom at all times and still picked something up). What is the most common STD that I am likely to encounter? Are the women in certain areas more likely to carry STDs?

I know there are certain inherent dangers to this hobby but I’m trying to minimize them as much as possible. Right now I’m just trying to figure out how much actual risk I will be in for a week.

Thanks

I am sure everyone with have their own ideas on this topic, but i suppose i am an example of a monger who has never picked up anything in 8 years - however i must admit most of my activity has been in beijing and i am very careful and normally target the high cost - more educated - class of girl. However i am fully aware that i could easily be unlucky.
I have come to the conclusion that this hobby can never be risk free - so you need to consider that before taking it up. Saying that there are a lot of things you can do to minimise the risk - which you can find on the section on STD's thread - or even on the general internet. However one point, my mate in SEOUL picked up Clamydia from DATY - which while easily treated - was a STD. So be careful and be aware. Blood, saliva, semen and vaginal fluids are all vectors.

[Jan Chris]

This is the result of 8 days of mongering in Bangkok.

1 - Practicalities

1.1 Transport
- I intended to use the Airport Express (150 baths) but I realized that a taxi would cost only 300 baths to go to the center of the city. Do not answer to those proposing a limousine service inside the airport but go outside and queue like any ordinary thai. Fare is 250 + highway toll (65). Best value for money.
- Conversely, I strongly recommend the use of BTS and MRT subway instead of taxis in the city because of the traffic jam. They are easy to understand (english available), safe, quick, air conditionned, never over-crowded and very cheap. Buy a monthly card with 20 trips or a 3-days unlimited card. Almost all the parlours and bars can be reached with BTS and MRT. Some taxi will try to overcharge you if you want a drop off at a massage parlour.

1.2 Accommodation
Go-go bars are located in three areas: Patpong, Nana Plazza (Soi 3) and Soi Cowboy (Soi 23). My advice is to choose an hotel in the Sukhumvit road area beetween Soi 3 and 23, so that you will be at a walking distance (10 minutes) from these two last hotspots. I chose the Grand Business Inn which is reasonably cheap (1600 baths), girlfriendly (they just ask the guest ID which is safe for you) and close to Nana BTS station. Free internet wireless access in the lobby. It is also at a walking distance from one soapie : Plazza Entertainment. Sometimes too much noisy because of the inn and out of mongerers and in the morning because of nearby repairs. Maybe there are some other hotels in this area that could be a little bit better in this regard.

2 - General considerations

2.1 Where to go
Basically, you have two main ways to get FS in BKK : massage parlours (soapies) and go-go bars.
- Soapies open and close earlier than bars. You choose a girl behind a window (usually refered as "fishbowl") or on a catalogue. You get a 2 hours session with shower, different sort of massage, FS or other special service. Close at midnight, so last bird should turn up at 10pm. Cost vary from 2,500 to 5,000 baths.
- Bars are open up to 2am. You can choose a girl for a short or long term session (the whole night in your place), but half do only ST. LT cost is from 3,000 to 4,000 + barfine 500 baths, unless you bargain which I never do.
- Free lancers and high-class escort in nightclubs are said to be widely available, but I have not explored this possibility nor the escorts agencies to be found in many touristical leaflets distributed at my hotel. There were no many reasons to do that because of the variety of choice that the above have to offer.
- My advice : if you are in BKK for a couple of days or less, visit the soapies. You will have a larger selection and enjoy a massage that you will never get elswhere. Bars require a more elaborated strategy (see hereafter). If you stay 3 days or more, organize your day as follows:
- morning : visit of the main touristical sites which close at 3pm. Once you have found a gem, take her on tour on one of these boats on the river.
- afternoon : soapies from 4pm onward. Recharge.
- night : gogo bars for LT session and early morning shot.

2.2 What strategy in gogo bars?
Thai girls are definitly pretty, because they are slim and look younger than their age. Although this is not the majority, there are some with larger breasts than I could immagine, whether natural or enhanced. But that is not the most important : what's crazy with them is that they offer a genuine GFE service. Unbelievable. Even DFK which is not supposed to be in thai habits is now a must for most of them.
Even though the majority will not fancy you, there is such a number of choice that you should find a pretty to stunning girl every night. However, this can be achieved if you come either early to the bars or get to know more about who's working where and do ST or LT.
Each time you enter in a bar, you want to order a drink (120 baths) otherwise you'll be arrassed all the time and you want to have time to consider all options. One day, I spent like 500 baths in "ladies drinks" but the investment was worth the try because I got a real cutie with the assistance of a "second bar lady". I was surprised to see that really good looking girl (8 or above) were still available at 2am, even though my target is the slim waist-large breast type, but there were still many guys around and I said to myself: but what do not they just pick them when it's closing time?

3. - Soapies
You have to look at Giotto's review in the massage section and the following link : www.nightlife.thaigirlbride-thaiwomanwife.com to know how to find them easilly:

- Plazza Entertainment: Cupidy is more expensive than Delila upstairs but I got an excellent service in the first case : my masseuse was classy and looked really younger than her 34 years old, we had an interesting discussion about prostitutes, she was very open-minded and honest. In particular she warned me not to fall in love and send some money to any fiancee.
- Poseidon: impecable hygiene and professional service. VIP models are available from 6pm.
- Angel: Photo models are fair, price cheap and good selection of girl. Probably very good value for money but I did not have time to explore more than once, and my choice was not the best one. Was busy at 6pm so the choice limited.

4 - Go-go bars
Usefull link : www.bangkokbargirls.info
- Nana Plazza : Focus on Rainbow 1, 2 and 4 bars, possibly Pretty Ladies and Angel witch. You will see 50% of the offer in these 4 bars and they are all ladyboys free.
- Soi Coboy : Topless dance is available here, unlike Nana Plazza. Rawhide and Long Gun offer genuine professional performances on stage which distracted me from my main purpose. But worth the visit for those not familiar with sex games! Dolhouse, Baccara and Shark are more traditionnal but offer the best selection.

5 - Last say
One of the reason why this report is not comprehensive is that I have fallen in love with a thai I have known through internet, so not a bar girl, and ... and she is more horny than any of my previous GF! We had great sex the last 3 days so things have been quite quickly. She is not in love with me but she said she wanted to know everything about me before I leave, even sexually. I habe been scrutinized by her during these 8 days. I am now working hard to invite her to my place so that I hope my feeling would eventually be reciprocal.

[Old Thai Hand]

Siddy

If you ever actually live here, it will be a lot different. Although not a guarantee, I bet you'd give up P4P mongering, eventually because you'd realize the girls aren't that nice, the quality isn't there, they're low-class and aren't to your taste, anymore.

As I've said before, most expats worth a damn don't want to be seen with these girls in public, even just going to a short-time hotel. if they monger at all, most play the more discreet Thai market of massage parlors etc.

The exceptions to this are the low-class scum living in Pattaya who never get past the sex-tourist mind-set.

Having the beautiful middle-class GF and the home, you're already well-above that.

[Siddv]

The point, as you say, is “not being tied down,” which you do recognize is valuable. Love is wonderful and long term relationships are great, but the price, while often worth it, is always much higher than p4p situations. With p4p it’s just money, but with “regular girls” it’s also feelings, emotions, families, and all the other heavy baggage which inevitably goes with them. Playing the field with several hotie regular girls sure sounds good, but that option is often fraught with peril as well, since if you are honest and sensitive like me, you must be constantly worried about getting caught with the “other woman,” with all the horrible emotions and warfare that entails, not to mention the escalating financial consequences of trying to keep multiple girl friends happy. IMHO, p4p offers the best bang for the buck.

Daddy[/QUOTE]Thanks much to TOH, Mick Licker, Retired Army and others regarding this thread last week on the issue of maintaining a relationship with a TGF vs just mongering. There are certainly many pluses and minues on both sides of this issue and it was certainly refreshing to see that I am not the only one trying to work this out in my head. As for me I do not post much but have now been invloved in a serious relationship with a beautiful middle class TGF for 3 years. We rented a condo for the past two years and now have purchased a 4BR home just outside of BKK. Shes' beautiful and has lost of class and has put together a very beautiful home for the both of us to live in. (I still live in the USA but travel to LOS every 3 months for 3 weeks each trip). Of course there is now talk of her wanting the baby. I'm having doubts about myself. She knows my mongering ways and has actually allowed me out of the house to excercise those demons with certain limitations. But I find myself being less and less happy and have begun to ask myself many questions about this relationship many of which were discussed below last week. I like both worlds and I just cannot see myself ever giving that aspect of LOS up..Tough call but I wanted you guys to know you had hit upon something of real interest to some of us here.

[Ooh Yeah]

There is a selection of them at the Rajak Hotel coffeeshop, just off Soi 4.Nana. Most a bit skanky, but some kwality too. Ya gotta talk to the Thai pimp first, ladies wouldn't talk to me-I was quoted 3000 Baht ST. I passed.

Hope This Helps

[Jed Wordsmith]

CM2 was still full of them the last time I was there. A few of them hang out near the street entrance to the joint, but most of them are towards the back past the band stage area. Prices: they generally start off asking for ridiculous amounts; 6-5k baht l/t, but you can generally get them down to 3k. No idea about s/t.

There are quite a few on Soi 3 around where Grace Hotel is. You can often find them walking along the street there earlier in the day, but personally I find them pretty skanky compared with the better CM2 ones (YMMV).

There were a few hanging out in Spasso (Hyatt Erawan) last month; much better-looking but I didn't ask prices.

A Happy New Mongering Year, gents!

I'd like to get the latest information concerning Russian and East European pick up venues in BKK. Yeah, I did my homework and know about MC2 in Novotel Siam Square and Grace Hotel North Sukhumvit (See my reports from 2 years ago!). Here are my questions:
Can you confirm the mentioned venues?
Are there new spots?
What are the full night rates?
I'm looking forward to check this scene out between the 18th and 21st this month!

Thank you a lot and keep safe!

[Giotto]

I'll be checking in to Giotto's tomorrow night about 11pm. By then, the quality girls at Giotto's Sports Bar will be taken. Any suggestions for a place that's still busy after midnight much appreciated.

Pipeman,

you talk to Giotto - he will know some places !


Giotto

[Old Thai Hand]

so i'm not that keen on oth's generalisations. so don't look down on issan girls. some have wonderful character unspolied by tough poor childhood.

what generalizations? i was making a joke with o**** when referring to "dark complexions" largely because he prefers women from buriram and surin who almost all have dark skin. this is not a genralization. this is just fact.

i happen to like isaan girls, at least of a certain type.

but, as i've said repeatedly, before, i don't like those in p4p. they're crude, rude, dress badly, act badly and speak badly. it never ceases to amaze me how some guys develop righteous indignation about the slightest criticism of isaan hookers.

btw. as i've said many time, my gf comes from isaan and has white skin.

there are lots of different types of looks in isaan which is what makes it's people interesting. i've written about it extensively in the past. i could probably teach you a thing or two about the ethnographic history of the region in terms of the variety of appearances, as well as language and cultural differences.

for example, mukdahan has a very significant strain of vietnamese blood while roi et has a strong mix of chinese which results in both provinces having people of a different look and whiter skin than say those from udon thani who tend to be more ethnically lao and a bit darker. all three provinces also speak different dialects of isaan-lao.

i could go on and on in this cultural lesson - no generalizations here, mate.

however o**** makes generalizations in his post below about isaan girls. those close to the border with laos are more ethnically lao. those in other areas are quite different. you can't just use a term like "isaan girls" to make a statement, because it's a big region with a lot of cultural mixing.

[Monopoly]

Of the last two dozen Thai ladies I have "encountered" I would say like 20 of them have been dead-fish/underperformers.

I am averaging like 8 or 9 dead-fish out of every 10 ladies. This can't be normal!

To give some background: They are mostly Pattaya beer-bar ladies (but not all) Average about 22 y/o, no stunners or beauties; but some are "cute".

They choose me. We seem to get along fine. Until we get to the room.

Then after we take our shower together they become unresponsive to foreplay, initiate nothing, and just lye there during "boom-boom" like, well you know, a dead-fish.

Before this, some of these girls tell me that they want to stay with me and travel with me (their idea). But by the next morning they seem to have lost interest in me. But I don't know why!

I am not over-weight nor do I have any oder problems, etc.

So, out of every 10 ladies, how many should one expect to be a dead-fish/underperformer?

Any ideas of what the problem might be here? Any solutions?

[Opebo]

However the tall girls in the bar were also Issan. Issan girls look somewhat different to common round-faced Lao girls.

It is certainly true that one can find tall Isaan girls. My favorite are the very thin 'angular' ones, though obviously I will fuck anything in a pinch. But your point about the difference between Lao and Isaan girls is an interesting one. Most of my experience with Lao girls has been in the brothels of Udon Thani and Nong Khai, so they may be individuals selected for having a look which appeals to Thais, but I agree they look quite different from Isaan girls. In fact they reminded me most of Vietnamese girls in Cambodian brothels. The better looking ones have that very slim but big breasted look one sees in Vietnamese but rarely in Isaan or Thai, though the majority of them are little baby-fat piglets.

[Altered Ego]

Guys

In the context of this forum I have a slightly unusual question.

I'm coming to Bangkok in March accompanied by a female (I know, what a stupid thing to do!).

Can anybody therefore recommend the best places to take an open-minded woman in terms of the erotic side of Bangkok? I was considering the following:

1. The usual female ‘ping-pong ball’ shows.

2. Male-female live shows (I've heard these aren't actually very erotic, but might be good for a laugh).

3. Massage places – my companion is not into women (or so she says), but I think she might appreciate erotic massage. Does anyone know the best place to take a woman for a massage in Bangkok?

4. Any other ideas you might have for interesting things to do in the company of a Western woman in Bangkok

If you can recommend the best places to go I would be extremely grateful. In particular I am keen to avoid tourist traps that try to rip you off.

You can PM me if you prefer.

Thanks a lot guys

Altered Ego

[Yi Ren]

I'll be checking in to Giotto's tomorrow night about 11pm. By then, the quality girls at Giotto's Sports Bar will be taken. Any suggestions for a place that's still busy after midnight much appreciated.

Piper,

You might try Thermae or the Asoke street bars for FLs. I know some that like Thermae, but I've not done all that well there. I have had good luck occassionaly at the Asoke bars, but of course, YMMV. Have Fun!

Cheers,
-Y

[M P Lurker]

o****
for the cost of nana hag, you could have shagged 6.5 of your usual girls (the .5 would be one of those midget isaan girls, one so often meets - lol).
i bet you'll think twice about doing that again.

i never thought i was prejudiced against short girls until recently in bars i noticed my tendancy to be attracted to the taller or even tallest girls. i'm 184 cm so normally i wouldn't want excessively short girls. one time in the bar recently, beer got knocked over and my shirt was beer-wet.
i went to the toilets and took my shirt off and washed it out under the tap. a help lady kindly offered to take the shirt away and iron it dry. gave her a good tip.
while sitting on a chair waiting, a tiny little girl came up and sat on my lap and started to grind a bit. i was very embarassed as not wanting to appear to be a ****. i asked how old she was. she protested profusely explaining that she was 28 and had two kids, but i had mistaken her for a 15 year old. oth will know she was 'obviously' an issan girl. however the tall girls in the bar were also issan. some issan girls are quite dark and some are not. some issan girls have wide flat noses and some don't. issan girls look somewhat different to common round-faced lao girls. some are even very beautiful to my taste. issan really has a wide variety. some are bullshit artists and some are very honest. so i'm not that keen on oth's generalisations. so don't look down on issan girls. some have wonderful character unspolied by tough poor childhood.

btw guys, its dangerous to go for tall flamboyant girls, in case they aren't girls. short small shy girls are generally safe from this point of view.
fortunately the tallest girl in the bar had a great body and was quite shy.

[M P Lurker]

It came time to leave and I handed her 2000 baht. She said “3500 baht. I always charge 3500,” with a warm and sad frown on her face. “That’s all I have. Everyone charges 2000 baht.” She sat there and would not move. I wanted to save a few baht to tip the bellboy so I decided to hand her another 500 baht. That finally put a smile on her face and she “wai-ed” me as I opened the door for her.

I you don't dicuss the price beforehand, this is really the girl's problem. It means she thinks she may get more out of you by leaving it to your discretion.
These days, top Nana bar girls probably expect more than 2000 Baht for a Long Time job. Cheaper and more desperate girls are avaliable. However I know some girls that suggest the guy go have a wank if he says 1000 Baht for a short time. But might be safer to discuss it to avoid misunderstandings.
Although many girls have gone with me without discussing price. They can probably tell I'm not a stingy type and I always pay well if service was good.
I would happily pay a high quality bar girl 3000 Baht for the whole night assuming at least 2 pops. I hate wasting my limited time more so than the extra Baht. However I haven't taken a bargirl for whole night for a long time now.