Manila

[Buko Max]

THEY STICK TOGETHER, they watch out for each other and cover each others asses, that is the way it should be when ones goes off adventuring among an alien people,

Whenever I visit tourist spots and such, I always see Japanese people traveling in large groups. Rarely do you see them traveling alone. Safety in numbers I suppose, which is smart because it reduces the risk of potential problems. But you get a much more complete experience if you travel alone or with a friend.

.......that is something people on this board need to take note of and practice a little, in short, a little less bickering and bashing and a little more commeraderie.

You've got that right! In the case of this board, a few people spoil a good thing. Since mongering is mostly an individual sport, people get greedy and don't give a hoot about there fellow board member. Or they are here to play around and cause problems. Whatever the case, I think we all know by now who is sincere and who is not.

[Spam Hog]

Okay X man I stand chastized, perhaps my use of "Jap" (Though solely for brevity) was unwarrented, but I never pay too much attention to political correctbness when stating facts, then again, I have been called Gai Jin plenty when in Japan and by some of the wrong people whom I thought better of so I guess PC is not a big issue in Japan. And in case the uninitiated are wondering Gai Jin is not at all a respectful term, just a bit better than foreign devil.

However, I do admire the Japanese for a number of reasons, not withstanding my life long devotion to their styles of martial arts but also their organization, and that is one thing I was trying to stress in my post, THEY HAVE IT TOGETHER and something else I admire, THEY STICK TOGETHER, they watch out for each other and cover each others asses, that is the way it should be when ones goes off adventuring among an alien people, that is something people on this board need to take note of and practise a little, in short, a little less bickering and bashing and a little more commeraderie.

regards


Spamhog

[X Man]

Quasarus is correct on a few points. Many years of deflation have lowered costs in Japan and in some cases you might find things cheaper than in the West. I've heard of tiny hotel rooms (in a converted flop house) available for under $30. But, if you need to rent an apartment in Tokyo you will need about $5000 or more just to get the key. Parking places for a car can cost several hundred dollars a month. Nice hotels charge per person -- and charge dearly. Travel and leisure tend to be expensive.

http://www.finfacts.ie/costofliving.htm

I have to underline the following thing. The fact that Japan is the most expensive country in the world is a clishee of mid -late `80s. Currently Japan is much cheaper than a lot of Western countries ( US, EU etc). In Tokyo and Osaka you can find all you can drink bars-discos , all night for a flat rate of 25-30 dollars ( yes, all you can drink, everything, all night). The average beer price in a bar is 4-6 dollars. Yes, going to hostess bars is expensive but so is in most Western countries. In Japan you are not likely to get re\iped off like in Soho/London though. Even pfs in Japan can be somehow cheaper than Singapore or Hongong at prices starting from 100 dollars ( ST very ST of course). Sometimes I am amazed of the Manila/Makati prices are they can be even higher than the average entertainment places in Japan.

[Fast Eddie 48]

I wonder if the Japanese have boards like this? Has anyone have a jap friend in the game, or sat down with a monger and ask why they pay 2-3x westerners??

to dafacer


I was LA cafe last night there are many japanese and korean , most girl want 1500 st and 3000 lt , there are more and more of them every yr when I first go to LA about 4 yr ago there is hardly any of them they are driving up the price if like Thermae coffee in Bangkok , I remember st is only 700 peso 4 yr
ago I think I need to find a new mongering place next stop china .

fast eddie 48

[Quasarus]

I J-land is clearly the most expensive land in the world. X

I have to underline the following thing. The fact that Japan is the most expensive country in the world is a clishee of mid -late `80s. Currently Japan is much cheaper than a lot of Western countries ( US, EU etc). In Tokyo and Osaka you can find all you can drink bars-discos , all night for a flat rate of 25-30 dollars ( yes, all you can drink, everything, all night). The average beer price in a bar is 4-6 dollars. Yes, going to hostess bars is expensive but so is in most Western countries. In Japan you are not likely to get re\iped off like in Soho/London though. Even pfs in Japan can be somehow cheaper than Singapore or Hongong at prices starting from 100 dollars ( ST very ST of course). Sometimes I am amazed of the Manila/Makati prices are they can be even higher than the average entertainment places in Japan.

[X Man]

Well, I'll start out by saying that a three letter abbreviation for Japanese is racially derogatory. If you have weak typing skills just type J

I don't have much to add to what SH said, but average J. pay is the highest in the world (sometimes depending on exchange rates) and average length of a holiday is rather short. Furthermore, J-land is clearly the most expensive land in the world. What some cheap charlies see as exorbitant is the bargain of a life time for some of the J people. If you have only 3 or 4 days, are you really going to waste time....1) walking to the airport arrivals to save money on taxis 2) chatting up a p4p girl in the hope of getting a GFE (Js don't speak english well, knowing that yen in understood by bargirls) 3) staying at the Swagman, with the racist Aussies (generalization - my bad), when the Diamond Hotel staff will kiss your yellow ass 4) etc.

Beer at a local PI place 30pesos. At high end Manila bars 200pesos. At a low end Japanese bar 250 pesos. You can make the same comparisons to almost anything. That room at the Diamond Hotel is dirt cheap to most Japanese.

Of course, some guys at ISG Phil like to exagerrate the situation. Someone suggested 3X3X3, or 3inch penis, 3min sex, 3000 tip. What a moronic thing to write. 3X might be the number of ladies as I rarely see a J with only one. Also, what kind of moron is going around measuring the penises of J males. I'll assume 3 inch is the soft measurement since putting a cold measure tape up next to my crank would assure a softy.

And it was a J guy who clued me into the cheapy windowless room which is under the stairs at the America Hotel in AC. (never saw him with more than one girl, btw). Generalizing about a race of 127 million people is pretty lame - expecially when the people generalizing don't know the difference betweent the 127 million Js and the 1 billion Chinese (see next paragraph).

Just a bit off the point, but I was in Pattaya sitting at a bar and some fat, drunken Westerner exclaimed, "Look at the bus of fucking Japs", as a tour bus full of Chinese pulled into the Chinese owned hotel. Some of these guys think Hong Kong is in Japan.

And lastly, of course the Japanese have boards like this. I know it's hard to believe, but they have flush toilets too.

Ooops, one more "lastly". Japanese generally try to avoid confrontation or disagreement. Bargaining for discounts, especially in a language they don't know well, is probably unpleasant. I know myself that I've often been unhappy spending time bargaining with Filipinos when I would have much rather just paid a fair price and then gotten on with my holiday. Add that thinking onto the comment SH made about "prices and quality" and it's not to hard to see why they might pay a bit more....just to get on with their terribly short holidays.

X

I wonder if the Japanese have boards like this? Has anyone have a jap friend in the game, or sat down with a monger and ask why they pay 2-3x westerners??

[Finrod]

The japanese mongers are the best organized in the Phils, they have their own board (so to speak) but they also have a magazine or periodical which I beleive is put out online monthly. This Mag (I've seen the paper version) features articles, and info but also has a big section with girls bios, including virgins who are willing to "sell" their single commodity to the highest bidder. Much is arranged by seconds or associates, some of which are Filipino (Byots) pimps etc. Their is a Japiyuki section that has girls for sale to various clubs in japan (ie "contracts") and which clubs in japan employ which girl etc.
Very exclusive, they won't give it up unless your Japanese, I know that Phils NBI gets copies and checks things out for trafficking and missing girls every so often.

Most of the Jap clubs here are VERY exclusive, they generally DO NOT LIKE GAI JIN ie white foreigners around their club and generally will not allow you in, members only and you have to be Nihongo to get it. Other places are different, some in Davao are Japanese owned but so few Japs come their they allow "gai jin" and even rich Filipinos in, however, the Japs ae clued as to which women are "polluted" by non Japs and reserve the "clean:" ones for their fellows. Knew of one place in matina that was being organized by the Japanese. It was still being built a year ago.

Manila is more exclusive, if not by flat out barring you they do it by price, so if you walk into some place with beautiful girls, see a lot of Japs and are paying like P200 for a san Mig likely that is what they are doing.
The Nihongo are peculiar, Xman can probably tell you, but they dont like paying cheap for something, they equate expense with quality, so a P25 san mig being sold and consumed for P200 must be better than a P25 san Mig sold and consumed for the same price. Go figure.

In case you are wondering "viginity" prices for the sons of the rising son run US 1000 to 1500 translate it into yen.


Spamhog

One of the girls I ran across in the Phils had worked as a japayuki in a club in Japan on a few 6 month contracts. For each contract, she was paid around US$10000 plus tips, housing and meals. She learned to speak Japanese quite fluently, but ended up not liking them very much so she would just keep doing it for the money. Which she never saved. But that's the culture. She did tell me a few stories about the amounts of money the club patrons spent there. I'm just not remembering how many zeros in those yen...

About the virgins, it's roughly the same pricing for us westerners. While I was in Manila, I was offered teen virgins at 50,000pp each. Of course I passed.

[Spam Hog]

I wonder if the Japanese have boards like this? Has anyone have a jap friend in the game, or sat down with a monger and ask why they pay 2-3x westerners??

The japanese mongers are the best organized in the Phils, they have their own board (so to speak) but they also have a magazine or periodical which I beleive is put out online monthly. This Mag (I've seen the paper version) features articles, and info but also has a big section with girls bios, including virgins who are willing to "sell" their single commodity to the highest bidder. Much is arranged by seconds or associates, some of which are Filipino (Byots) pimps etc. Their is a Japiyuki section that has girls for sale to various clubs in japan (ie "contracts") and which clubs in japan employ which girl etc.
Very exclusive, they won't give it up unless your Japanese, I know that Phils NBI gets copies and checks things out for trafficking and missing girls every so often.

Most of the Jap clubs here are VERY exclusive, they generally DO NOT LIKE GAI JIN ie white foreigners around their club and generally will not allow you in, members only and you have to be Nihongo to get it. Other places are different, some in Davao are Japanese owned but so few Japs come their they allow "gai jin" and even rich Filipinos in, however, the Japs ae clued as to which women are "polluted" by non Japs and reserve the "clean:" ones for their fellows. Knew of one place in matina that was being organized by the Japanese. It was still being built a year ago.

Manila is more exclusive, if not by flat out barring you they do it by price, so if you walk into some place with beautiful girls, see a lot of Japs and are paying like P200 for a san Mig likely that is what they are doing.
The Nihongo are peculiar, Xman can probably tell you, but they dont like paying cheap for something, they equate expense with quality, so a P25 san mig being sold and consumed for P200 must be better than a P25 san Mig sold and consumed for the same price. Go figure.

In case you are wondering "viginity" prices for the sons of the rising son run US 1000 to 1500 translate it into yen.


Spamhog

[Dafacer]

to raver boy
I was at the miss univerise few day ago this is a night club with alot of hot
model cater for the chinese and korean is behind cuneta astrodome at harrison when there after a long PBA game that when OT , model girl lt is 6000 peso and 450 peso a hr to sit with you too high for me and head to edsa
ent complex quality is not as good as last yr 3000 lt and 1000 peso barfine I pick up kory and got her down to 1500 p st serivce is ok no bbbj only cbj one
shot only stay 2 hr , I think sauna is the best vaule in manila will ry phoenix one and mecury tomorrow . fast eddie 48

I wonder if the Japanese have boards like this? Has anyone have a jap friend in the game, or sat down with a monger and ask why they pay 2-3x westerners??

[X Man]

I don't have any good WOMAN info for Raverboy, but anytime it looks Japanese, ask at the door if there is any entrance or "table" charge. I found at least one place that clearly had a charge on their pamphlet, but they assured me that it was "for the Japanese". I didn't go in so can't say much more than that. I'm sure if business is slow, as it seemed to be at the J places I passed, they will waive their entrance charge.

There is a place right across from Swagman, although I don't think it is KTV. I don't remember the name, maybe "Little Tokyo". I asked the door lady about entrance charge and she suggested I ask inside. Inside, there was the most adorable, cute little Filipina -- just the way the Japanese like them. I asked her about a table charge, but she didn't seem to understand. Well, I tend to get impatient when people don't answer my questions, so I walked out. I decided to go back another day, but they had a sign on the door saying they were closed for the next two days. Inside, there appeared to be a typical Filipino Christmas party in progress.

One thing I clearly noticed about LA Cafe. Early in 2006, most males in the back room were Japanese, with some Koreans. I think I was the only white boy venturing back there. That seems to have changed. Us old white farts have regained that territory, and more than a few formerly snobbish cuteys who use to cater to the Asians have now learned to put up with the white barbarians.

One lady I talked to said that some J guy got AIDS from LA Cafe and that info showed up on the Internet. Thus, far fewer Japanese customers. I have no idea if that is true - I don't believe anything I hear at LA Cafe and only believe half of what I see.

One more thing on the theme "Japanese". There is a tiny girl at Harry's bar that lived/worked in Japan and speaks pretty the language pretty well. Not sure about the set up at Harry's. It seems the waitresses can't be barfined, but there are GRO's working there. I saw a few that were doable, and some that were hideous. Nevertheless, the place is friendly and well run. The hags never approached me as they might at LA Cafe.

X

Speaking of 'homework', wondering if anyone here has any experiences with the KTVs in Malate (eg. along Mabini) that cater exclusively (?) to the Japanese clientele. I know this scene is understandably not for everyone and the rates are likely exhorbitant, but wondering if anyone here has had exceptionally good encounters in this area.

[Sun Devil]

http://www.internationalsexguide.inf...postcount=1828

Here is a highly recommended primer on some of the KTVs in in the Malate area of Manila, along with other options.

[Fast Eddie 48]

Speaking of 'homework', wondering if anyone here has any experiences with the KTVs in Malate (eg. along Mabini) that cater exclusively (?) to the Japanese clientele. I know this scene is understandably not for everyone and the rates are likely exhorbitant, but wondering if anyone here has had exceptionally good encounters in this area.

to raver boy


I was at the miss univerise few day ago this is a night club with alot of hot
model cater for the chinese and korean is behind cuneta astrodome at harrison when there after a long PBA game that when OT , model girl lt is 6000 peso and 450 peso a hr to sit with you too high for me and head to edsa
ent complex quality is not as good as last yr 3000 lt and 1000 peso barfine I pick up kory and got her down to 1500 p st serivce is ok no bbbj only cbj one
shot only stay 2 hr , I think sauna is the best vaule in manila will ry phoenix one and mecury tomorrow .

fast eddie 48

[Pete The Beat]

Raverboy,

I've been to quite a few of the japanese dominated ktv bars along mabini, and am yet to have a decent experience there. I've been mostly with friends into karaoke and drinking, so the mongering wasn't high on the list but I did get a few girls cell nos. who called me when they were off work about 3 in the morning but by that time i was already hooked up with l a cafe girls.

I found the girls in the ktvs to be poor in english, just recently from the provinces, and very young and inexperienced.

But that was my experience - try one and see what you think - its good fun anyway having a couple of good looking girls hanging off your arm and trying to sing along with you!

Cheers

Pete

[Raverboy]

Speaking of 'homework', wondering if anyone here has any experiences with the KTVs in Malate (eg. along Mabini) that cater exclusively (?) to the Japanese clientele. I know this scene is understandably not for everyone and the rates are likely exhorbitant, but wondering if anyone here has had exceptionally good encounters in this area.

[Raverboy]

Thanks. I tend to do a lot of 'homework' but sometimes its nice to just do the clichéd 'go with the flow'. Travel plans are still up in the air but will likely take place sometime in March. Will keep your comments in mind. Regarding currency exchange, never intended on the money changers. I'm hoping the money changers here in Singapore are too eager to sell me their pesos and so bring in a good portion of my budget in cash. I'll likely then put the hotels on CC and draw additional funds as required with an ATM card on the Plus network.

Congratulations Ravenboy for taking the time and making the effort to do some homework as you did an excellent job. Your itinerary is perfect and you have the cost factors down to a science. The only contribution I can make to you is pay your tab AS YOU GO on Burgos street. If you don't you will find yourself being charged for ladies drinks that you never ordered and which are way over priced!. The bar Bottoms has a good reputation for doing this. I would also suggest to you that again because of the cost factor to hit Burgos street after 11 or 12 o'clock. They stay open late and you will enjoy yourself in the same manner as if you went earlier but you will be saving yourself ALOT of money. Also try to set something up with the girls when they get off of work instead of paying the out of this world bardines they charge there. Personally I have never had to pay one because of using this approach. I would have them meet you in the restaurant above Bottoms called the Filling Station. This way if they do not show up you will still have many to choose from that will be hanging out there or others who are just leaving the bar. When do you plan on being in the P.I ?. One last comment to add here for you is to be careful if you exchange money in one of the money changing places as some of the individuals are pretty good at the slight of hand trick when transferring the money back to you. I would suggest sticking to ATM's if possible.