Nogales

[LoveLOS]

Abeshit captured me at the border, BB was taking a day off... It was a Thursday, a slow night in Nogales. I wanted to hook up with Lorania but she was absent. Expendatures were starting to take their toll on LL's attitude and concerns of lack of funds was a spectre LL did not want to face again. It was also a Thursday night, by the odds, a slow night.

I went bar hopping with Abeshit in search of bargain booty. Nothing I would fuck in Obsessions except Paulina, who again managed to be agressive enough to close the deal. Bolerios had Cytlaly as the only one. Again, great options but not inexpensive. Abe finally relented that he had $100 girls like the rest of the touts were offering. Hmmmmmmmmm...

I thought again of Karla, so I wanted to go to LaConga. Immagine this, LL took Abe to LaConga, go figure. LL is tour guide for a fucking tout. We established Karla really was gone forever and that did nothing for my attitude.

There were two slummers there, and the place was again unheated so they had the winter coats on. Probably a good thing, hid their bodies from view. Fucking Abe was getting horny for one of them? ROTFLMAO. One girl, a fattie, had a nice face. When the thought that I could fuck her crossed my mind I knew it was time to get the hell out of there!

Got the cab and Abe had us hold for ten minutes waiting for the promised bargain booty, which, as usual, did not show. We dropped off at Bolerios again but LL marched for Lust, the new TD club that has recently (1 week ago from when I was there) opened in the place of the old Divas. Unfortunately, there was nothing there to interest little LL.

BTW-that will change. I can recommend LUST as a viable option in the Nogi scene. I spoke to the manager who is currently eager for business... No Cover, assembling a good array of better looking girls, and slightly lower rates. I negotiated $150 to $180 in the hotel room for an hour. You now have the knwowledge, use it.

My next stop was Placers. I walked in and Ieuki was there. End of story--this is the girl for me tonight. In retrospect, she is not a bad choice for every night... Placers has an on premisis bedroom complete with a bed, heater, and toilet (albiet no running water) for $180. Takeout is also possible, but that is $200.

Ieuki was BB's girl on the first night, and was described by him as a "troooper." That is a good thing, meaning she will work to please. Fortunately, she remembered me with Shiela and so there was some prior emotional connection to having a good time. And we did. She accepted and enjoyed DATY and was a great fuck. She is one of my faves from the whole trip... And out last outing a few days hence was, well, wait for the report.

Ieuki:
Face: 9
Body: 9
Attitude: 9
$180 + drinks

It was about 3am when we finished and the bars were closing. LL was still reeling from the hellatious session with Ieukio. I was walking up the sidewalk and met with Luis, who is a low pressure tout with good English skills and seems to work well for his clients. I had previously met him while he was accompanying another guy with whom I had partied with a few days before. He suggested we go to VIP for the after huours selection there. I counted the money and discovered only $24 left, so we agreed if I saw one @ VIP, I would cross back to to the USA for the extra it might take...

Apparently the girl shadowing us understood our conversation... As we were turning to go to VIP she approached me an offered her full services, including her hotel room (which I did not have that night) for $20. I needed a condom, so the $24 was perfect. A walk on the wild side. Ed would be proud. Myra wasn't perfect, about a 6 face and 5 body but $20 full service--why not? Of course, nothing is as it seems. She didn't have a room and was mistakenly assuming she could pay a hotel keeper $5 or $10 for a room. We had walked around about 30 minutes when I noted a decent alley and we almost simultaneously suggested a BBBJ in the alley.

It turns out that Myra was not a pro as I had assumed. She gagged three times in the process of performing a very enthusiastic effort. Everything would have cum out fine except that the Policia happened along at the in-oppurtune moment. Luis was standing watch, and unfortunately they saw him. He waved us off so we were four blocks toward the border when the pigs found who Luis was protecting. I had already passed Myra her $20 for a very nice, if not professional effort, so I had $4...

The pigs were trying to get a bribe to free Luis, but I made it very clear I had only $4, and if they wanted that, they may have it. We all stuck to the only obvious story we were walking around together before I went back to the USA. My addition was that I needed the time so that I would not be guilty of DUI, which was actually true. A thourough search of Luis and myself found no contraband, so the pigs begrudgingly sent all of us on our way. The offer for a genuine completion of the $20 full service option was made and a meeting time and place was set by Myra for two days later at 10pm. I told her not to wait for me more than 30 minutes because, it seems blatantly obvious to me that I cannot predict where I will be and what I will be getting into when mongering in Mexico...

Myra:
Face: 6
Body: 5
Attitude: 8
$20, BBBJ

The net result of this little walk on the wild side, asside from a near completion of the BBBJ and nice adreneline rush, was that LL discovered Luis is a good guy to have by your side when possibly over your head in Mexico. I am also getting tired of Abe by this time. This adventure set the stage for our next adventure...

A trip to Agua Pierta with senior board member and expert on Mexican wild side mongering, our own Ed... That report is posted here, on the Mexico > Northwest Border Towns > Other Areas Board.

LoveLOS

[LoveLOS]

Day 3

Started the night at Obsessions, and BB got tunnelvision for a very hot girl with a red bikini. He is shit with names, so we call her red. LL wanted to check out Paulina, but Lorania sort of out-flirted her, as usual. I have decided Lorania has an M.O. when it comes to butterfly behavior of her guys--She acts pissed off and pouts when she catches you landing on another flower. I am pretty damn sure it is an act, because she always seems to forgive me.. But immagine the act I got when I excused myself to go to a date with Sara.

Said date with Sara did not happen. Her real life boyfriend - father of her baby, wanted her. She told me they had broken up. The net effect of catching her in the fabrication is that her year-long spell over LL's mind is broken; the fantasy was great, but I am now free to obsess over another one.

I was waiting at Bolerios when Abeshit delivered the news Sara was not coming until later. My thoughts turned to Babydoll, but then I saw Brenda onstage. I called her over. Brenda is a fun girl and little LL soon indicated a desire to experience this beauty.

We went back to the Pancho Villa for a hour of study. We got along well and Brenda passed the acid tests for a party girl: Fun attitude, DATY hound, willing to enjoy the sex herself (or act like it)... You get the picture.

Brenda:
Face: 7
Body: 8
Attitude: 9
$200 + drinks

We went back to Boleriao to hook up with BB. He was not there yet, or so I thought. It seems there was this girl Babydoll Benz that the man can't stop talking about, and can't stop fucking... They were downstairs in Bolerios when Brenda and I got back. Abeshit brought another girl over to me while Brenda was changing. She was hot but, a dead fish. Remember - best actress wins. LL ejected her in favor of the better actress. Brenda stayed with me until BB and BB were finished, and then, in an amusing and telling exchange between the girls, we switched partners there in the bar. Babydoll was a vetran of a previous foursome with BB and I, and Brenda was definately a player with promise. It had to happen, and we made it happen in an after hours party that made the cost more palatable.

LL was with Babydoll and BB was with Brenda; but nobody was dogmatic about that when it came to the occasional suck on a tit, smack on the ass, or just plain ole watching the live porn show occurring in the next bed over. Sucking, fucking, multiple positions, girls having or faking orgasm, and finally two guys who needed not fake. I think BB strained something, he is not usually the three pops a night kind of guy...

Babydoll:
Face: 7
Body: 9
Attitude: 10
$150

Brenda:
Face: 7
Body: 8
Attitude: 10
$150

It was about 5am, LL and BB checked out of Pancho Villa and headed for the comfort of our USA hotel for some serious rest.

LoveLOS

[LoveLOS]

Woke up at the crack of late afternoon. We went stateside to get out legitimate hotel room, cleaned up and came back to Mex for lunch. A date with Sara had been scheuled for early evening. BB went back stateide and napped. If you have followed my posts, you know this one is a Ms LoveLOS, and an ATF, yada yada yada. It was good. Her body is still recovering from the effects of her new bebe, with a bit of breeder hips and a tummy that is not quite as tight, but she is still super fine.

Sara
Face: 9
Body: 8
Attitude: 10
$ N/A

LL took Sara to lunch, which is now a part of our dates. Then he did the hardest thing yet, Called BB who had come back over and gone to our Mex hotel room. Delivering Sara to him was heart wrenching, but it's what real frienship is all about. And that is what tequlla is for.

LL retreated to Obsessions to drown his mental images of his best buddy fucking the dogshit out of his favorite girl. LL met an American on the way and we decided to party a while. He was a bit take aback when we entered Obs and Paulina attacked LL. LL was enjoying Paulinas attentions when a familliar face appeared. I almost didn't recognize her, she had literally, become a woman. Another Ms LL... Lorania...

Just what the doctor ordered to make him forget Sara.

Paulina didn't stand a chance. She is a cute little thing, but not aggressive and she did not have a chance in the face of this competition. She did manage to make an impression on my new friend.

I had to have Lorania, and so that date was arranged for after hours. Paulina hooked up also, and so we left Obsessions and ventured on into Bolerios. Onstage when I walked in was an exotic looking spinner type with LOTS of energy and a very hot body. Cytlali currently sports very long bleach blonde hair, with the expected dark brown roots. She also sports a nice pair of A/B cups and a shaved pussy, which I knew little LL wanted to explore. My best friend returned from his romp with my ATF, and went stateside to recover.

The American guy I had met earlier was with me and we decided to check out La Conga, with the hopes of hooking up with Karla. I was dissapointed to learn Karla is no longer working there. Nothing else was present either of us had interest in, so we returned to Placers, where Shiela was busy doing the lap thing with another customer. I said hola and left. Nothing interesting in any of the regular bars or the VIP club, so we went back to Bolerios.

I gave the nod for Cytlali, and after a few drinks, decided to retire to my hotel room with her. She has a pretty damn good attitude, and we did the DATY thing until she had her pleasure. My rewards were ample. Did I mention good attitude? Figure it out from the pics. We showerd and I sent her back to the club and tok a rest before a Ms LL was to arrive. We later figured out that this girl is the same one (Spinner Girl) that BDubs fucked in April...

Cytlali:
Face: 6-8 (depending on how you like the exotic look)
Body: 9+
Attitude: 8
$200 + drinks

3:30am soon came and Abeshit brought Lorania. Followers of LoveLOS posts will recall that in April, Lorania got my nickname "tiny dancer." She was probably 90lbs driping wet (note the Lorania2006.jpg picture), an absolute DATY hound, and the tightest pussy in the western hemisphere. In two dates she had achieved Ms LL status. Only one thing has changed, she is probably about 110lbs now, the filling out has been very, very nice, you don't feel like you are going to break her accidentally. I hope the weight gain stops, but for the moment, she is one of the hottest girls in Nogi. The other two things--DATY hound and tight pussy.... fuuuuuuuuck.

The session with her was fucking amazing. Shock and awe. She left my room after one of the best sessions in my life, and I looked at the clock on my phone... 5:55am.

Ms Lorania LoveLOS:
Face: 8
Body: 9+
Attitude: 10
$150

LoveLOS

[LoveLOS]

Night numero uno.

LL and BB arrived about 6pm from Tucson and were some what debilitated from our previous 24hours:

1. A FS AMP visit
2. DC USG Roundtable party that lasted until we left for the airport.
3. Six hours of cramped seats and screaming kids
4. a sucksessful visit to the Candy Store in Tucson.

Five pops for LL, Four for BB. Awake for like 40 hours... We were trashed going in...

We crossed over and Obsessions was closed (Mon) but Placers was open. We walked in and there was a stunning girl on stage, but LL happened to glance at another one by the bar that really looked his type. In retrospect they both were his type. LL met eyes and Shiela was soon in his lap. Ieuki finished her hot dance and was escorted to BB, after she changed... into a schoolgirl outfit. BB was a basket case...

Both girls were fun on the laps and both had bodies to die for. LL really liked Shiela's hair, and Ieuki has an almost asian look. I was in lust. The boyz exchanged looks and realized we both had two very fine looking chicas with good attitudes in our laps. They are both 9's. They were LL negotiated the price down from $180 to $150 for a FS quickie. This has set the tone for the rest of our trip. Go to the bar, find the two finest looking/fun girls, and accept no substitutes.

As you may surmise from the attached pics, we were to see these ladies again...

Shiela:
Face:9
Body: 9
Attitude: 7 (in club quickie)
$150 + drinks

Eeuki:
Face:9
Body: 9
Attitude: 7 (in club quickie)
$150 + drinks

Before leaving, we did a quick glance around the bar, and we couldn't believe we had pulled the to hottest girls right off the bat. We left Placers and checked into the Pancho Villa, then on to Bolerios...

We got to Bolerios and, of course, Abe was there with his usual promises of fine hand-picked booty. I have to admit that he has a decent track record. I was intoduced to Baby Doll, a cute little 19yo tight body with small tits and pretty face. She has medium brown hair and a party attitude. Looking good.

The second girl was busy cuddling with another client. The moment he failed to buy another ladies drink, we were presented with Yuki. Yuki was wearing a white, see thru body suit which ineffectively coverd one of the finest spinner bodies in the western hemisphere. We played some pool and negotiated a foursome in the room with both girls, whick they were OK with. Baby Doll likes tequilla, and we happened to have one in the room...

OK again, we are here with like six pops in 24 hours, and with some medications we had ingested, any thought of another pop was remote. However, LL and BB love DATY, and so do the pair we were with. I know that nobody would believe it if I were to post that we both had oral give and take with bothgirls for two hours, LL fucked Babydoll for a while and we had a basic orgy. Go ahead, don't believe it, can't be true. We sent the girls back to the bar and ZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.

Babydoll
Face: 7
Body: 9
Attitude: 10
$180 + drinks

Yuki
Face: 9
Body: 10
Attitude: 9
$180 + drinks

More coming as I get them composed and edited.
LoveLOS

[LoveLOS]

Parking:
Nogales is about a one hour drive from Tucson. When coming to the border area, I recommend parking rather than taking your car across. Uleta has a parking lot that has been recommended for years on this board, as does McDonalds. Ed's is A new parking lot. Apparently associated with McD's just before the big turn at the end of the interstate--just before Uletas. Prices are $4, but the guy collecting the fee seems to go home a lot earlier than the Uleta's guy. I never had to pay after 8pm and never had any hassle. The walk is about 150ft further as you have to walk thru the Uleta's lot to get there.

Crossing over:
In the 75 or so times I have crossed the border in Nogales over a 5 year period, I have never been noticed, or even slowed down by Mexican authorities. For that reason, I do not recomment pressing any buttons for any kind of voluntary declaration. Just walk thru. I cannot stress enough not to carry weapons, even cartridges, or drugs into Mexico.

Policia:
Unlike the USA, the police in Mexico have the right to stop you, ask for your identification, and search your person and belongings for any reason they see fit. Probable cause and unreasonable search laws we cherish in the USA do not exist. Reasons I have given for having been stopped and searched no less than four times in Nogales are:

1. Handing something to a known drug dealer (a tout)
2. riding in an illegally registered taxi
3. Standing on a street corner too long
4. Walking out of a dark alley with a woman.

I need not tell you that I was not carrying any drugs or paraphenalia at the time of search, or I would not be here in the USA typing this report. Remember too that it is a good idea to be polite. A bad cop can just as easily plant something on you as not if he does not like you. If a small bribe is asked, I would be inclined to pay it. I has never been asked of me yet--I would love some other opinions on this point if you regulars would care to chime in.

Crossing back:
As of now, US citizens can cross with a Drivers License. A Passport will be required within the year, or so the rumor goes. I have never been searched, but my overnight bag is usually x-rayed. Need I stress not to carry drugs back? They expect you to tell them your country of citizenship, and I have observed agents getting shitty with others because Illinois is not a country. Smile, open your ID or Passport, say US citizen (if that applies) and that is usually the end of the formalities. Some will ask what you are doing in Nogales at 3am, but enjoying the nightlife is a perfectly legitimate answer. If I get meds at the pahrmacy, I usually declare what they are for--chest cold etc rather than risk having to produce a perscription. I do carry old presc bottles with me and drop the new meds into the bottle to save that hassle. Declare your booze, but take only the allowable amount each day.

Taxis:
The passing into Mexico dumps you off a a corner where the touts and taxis hand out waiting for you. Unless your destination is LaConga, the bar - *****house about 2km from the border, a taxi is pretty much unnecessary. LaConga is a $5 fare each way to and from. If you find yourself wishing to get a taxi to the border from anywhere in the city, tell the driver, "La Linea." You will be delivered back to the border crossing. You will be framed a fool to get into a taxi and asked to be taken to any other bar, as they are all within a short, safe walk.

Money:
Us dollars have worked fine in every transaction I have ever attempted. Bars and clubs generally price in dollars anyway. If you are staying at a hotel or buying food, they generally trade you at 10pesos = 1 dollar. The exhange rate is about 11:1, so you would get a 10% benefit for changing money. Buying meds or alcohol usually trades at or near the exchange rate. If you are going to drink and have sex in the clubs, take an extra $100 with you more than the acts themselves--drinks are about $5-$6 each, ladies drinks are usually $10-$11, every asshole from the waiter to the guys in ties to the guy manning the door to the privados has his hand out for his tip.

Condoms:
The use of condoms by the girls is almost universal for blowjobs and sex, which is a good thing if you ask me. If you are taking a girl to your hotel, have a supply of them there. Many of the girls do not have them. For those of you that have a problem with using a raincoat, and I have met some mongers with just such an issue, I cannot recommend Nogales. They have had very poor luck getting service. One guy got laid bareback only after three days and three dates, two of which did not work out well for him. Remember, most of the girls are practicing Catholics, so while a condom and paid sex are sins for which they seem to be able recieve pardon, pregnancy is for keeps.

Alcohol:
May be purchased at any number of liquor stores for consumption in Nogi or the USA. If taking it back, it must be un-opened. You can buy liquor from 12pm to 12 am. I ususally buy a bottle for the hotel, and if I intend to drink a lot in a single club, we often get a bottle of our favorite, bring it to the club and pay the bar a $40 bottle fee. That way you can drink a whole fifth in an evening for about $65 without paying $6 a shot, which, due to the size of the shots they serve would cost about double.

Drugs:
Pharmacies abound for perscription and non-perscription meds, usually at about half of USA costs unless you are on a good med plan. If you need a perscription, one can be procured. There is one 24 hour pharmacy available, the touts will show you where it is. Of particular interest to this board are Cialis for $10-$12 per tab, Viagra for $10 per tab, and generic viagra for $5-$6 per tab. For the sake of completeness of this report; and although I cannot recommend it, illegal drugs such as marijuana (Mary Jane), Cocaine, Meth, and Ice are available. It has been offered to me by touts, junkies in the hotel, waiters, and even a girl once. If you choose this very risky behavior, be warned that the police do pay informants handsomely, and Mexican jail is worse than a bad dream. Be very picky with whom and how you deal in such matters.

Food and water:
I have found the food at the steet stalls, hotels, and restraunts to be good, inexpensive, and safe. I have not yet gotten sick eating in Nogales. I do drink only bottled water and avoid ice in any non-alcoholic drink.

Touts:
An ever present plague, but as I have mentioned earlier, make them work for you. The simplest form is the guy who gets $1 when he successfully brings you to a TD bar and you pay your cover charge. Most of them are a waste of good oxygen, but a few actually have a phone list if you do not wish to pay TD club prices.

Guys in ties:
Same as touts, except they are the guys that arrange dates who work for the TD bars. They always want their tip, and it is usually more than a tout would charge.

Hotels:
I have tried four chica-friendly hotels so far in Nogales. Remember, takeout from the clubs is usually an option for $0 - $20 more than sexo in the club, but the girls are on the clock. Taking them back to the hotel after work saves the club fee but sometimes leaves you holding your balls.

1. Granada $42 is the nicest, but I found it just out of cell phone range and a pretty good hike from the zona.
2. Olivia $42 is about four blocks from Obsessions is a good choice, quiet and comfortable.
3. An old one on the back street behind Bolerios. This was $20 for short time, but I do not know the daily rate, I was not impressed.
4. The newest hotel is Pancho Villa ($40), which is pictured in Rue Kraft's latest post. It is not as quiet, as many of the guests are also mongers, touts, working girls, and the occasional meth/coke addicts on a 20+ day binge. It is close to the action, situated on the back street behind and between Lust and Placers.
5. There is a nice looking hotel between VIP and Potros Cantina which is NOT lady friendly.

The action in Nogales, listed geographically:

La Conga:
Not a TD bar. This is a bar in which all of the girls that haunt the place are definately for sale. I believe the current rate is $65 for full service, including the girl for one pop in a room attached to the bar. The condom is extra. This is a hit or miss place, mostly miss. The girls, tend to the fugly side, although some real gems have come out of this bar over the years. Drinks are inexpensive, but the ladies drinks are still twice as much as yours. The place has gone downhill since the Carla/Paola Heyday. The place is not presently heated, winter chill keeps the girls in heavy coats, which may be a good thing based on my observations this Feb. Worth a look if you have time, little money, and want a little bit of a walk on the wild side without really sticking your neck out.

Obsessions:
Obsessions is the only TD bar in the right side of the tracks (facing south from the border). To ge there, walk one block straight ahead from the taxi stand at the border, make the next left and it is 30 feet up that street on the left. Open Tue thru Sat starting at 7pm. They have a fair stable with three or four real hotties on a good night. They have a central stage, pool table, 5-6 open privados and one room with a couch and bathroom.

Other bars on the right side of the tracks:
All of the others bars in the 5 block area are more or less regular bars, but there are a lot of willing partners that can come out of them with you, assuming you have a hotel room and decent enough Spanish to make the deal.

The following bars are located on the left side of the tracks. They can be accessed by turning left at the border taxi stand, going 1 block to the traffic circle, turn left and crossing to a small park and then continuing straight across the railroad tracks to come out on a two-block area between the tracks and the mountain. If you get confused, fear not, there will probably be a tout to guide whether you want him there or not as you make the journey. The georaphical listing here starts at the fartherest point south of the zona and proceeds north on the front street then around the block to the back street, heading south again.

VIP:
Starting at the far south of the Zona, about 150 meters from the middle of the strip, VIP is best known as the after hours club since it stays open until about 4am. There are actually two floors, the bottom, street level, floor has been productive for me when other late-hour options were unproductive.

Massage Parlor:
The ownership appears to be the same as Lust and the other massage parlor on the other end of the block. The dancers from that club get shuffled back and forth to the MP. I have used both MPs in the past. Fee stucture is $40 for the room/massage + your choice of $50 for a HJ, $70 for a BJ, or $100 for everything. A viable alternative to sex in a closet.

Potros Cantina:
A regular pickup bar, good values if not hot chicas. I have pulled several unsatisfactory $25-$50 full service dates from there, but the quality was low and the rush factor was high. YMMV as my Spanish sucks.

Bolerios:
A large club right in the middle of the block. It now opens around noon and goes 7 days. The stable is pretty good, with some of my favorites, with three or four real hotties on a good night. They have a central stage, pool table, 4 open privados and one room with a bench and bathroom.

Lust:
formerly Divas, and only open two weeks now, the place is assembling a nice group of girls. There were three hotties on my last visit. Owner is a bit hungry and I negotiated $150 for an hour for a girl in my room, which is a $30 to $50 savings over Placers or Bolerios. They have a couch upstairs and two rooms which were unfirnished but the owner offered to take the cushions from the couch for fucking... Keep this on the tour and see how things progress.

Placers:
A medium size club that is a Nogi standard. The stable fair, but we found a couple of real gems there. They have a tiny central stage, pool table, 8 open privados. They also have and one room with a bed and bathroom on the side of the building.

Cherrys:
The classic daytime spot, I have never had occasion to, or been tempted by any of the ladies there, so I do not know the layout beyond the stage.

Massage Parlor:
Same comments as above MP.

Lork Blacks:
At the north end of the block on the front street. This TD used to be the standard, but has fallen into disrepair. As of last year, the central stage, a pool table, and 6 open privados and there were rumors of a bed option. I did not venture into the place this year.

Club 69:
High prices and fake tits are the main attraction at this TD. I have not yet been impressed by anything I have seen at this club except for the short time one of my ATF's I had met at Obsessions worked there, briefly. I flatly refused to enter the place on this trip and have never been tempted by any providers there to even find out how about the layout of the private areas.

Fernis:
An iteresting little cross between a bar and a TD. Prices are the lowest of any of the TD bars. There is often one or no fine looking girls there, but always worth a value priced drink to have a look. They have a central stage, several privados and a room with a bed option onsite.

Prices:
They suck in Nogales. Way too fucking high in comparison to other Northwest border towns, especially for the higher-end models, which are found almost exclusively in TD clubs. As noted, full service can be found on the street from $20 to $100. In La Conga for $65. From TDs from $150 to $200. After hours with TD strippers for $100 - $150. Why? There are many reasons for this, including the proximity to central Arizona, where prices are just as high in Tucson or Phoenix, the small city size and traffic the city recieves. The governament is very conservative in comarison to Juaraz or TJ, so prostitution only thrives thru bribes, which probably cost the clubs a lot of money each year. The benefits are the girls are less jaded and the elusive GFE is easirer to find in Nogales than larger border towns, and there are a hell of a lot of 8's, 9's and even a few 10's for the size of the city.

I have an unpleasant opinion of anybody who believes that a woman is inherently worth less in Mexico or other nation than the same woman would cost the USA. The fact that they usually charge far less is an economic advantage as is the fact that all things in Mexico are negotiable; but to say one should not pay the local going rate for an equal quality strikes me as racist more than simply being a Cheap Charlie. I hope not to get into this debate on this board as I post my recent trip reports, which are coming soon.

Hope this post helps the Nogi Newbies,
LoveLOS

[Rue Kraft]

Forgot to attach the images.

[Rue Kraft]

Was in Phoenix for business so I thought it would be appropriate to visit Nogales.

It was a cool Thursday night that was quite slow. Only Studio 69 was half full. All the other clubs were very quiet. I was one of two customers at 11 PM in Obsessions. Had a privado with Mirasol from Obregon. She was hot and said it was her second night on the job. Asked her to come to the Pancho Villa after her shift. She agreed but was a no show. DAMM IT!!

Potros Cantina was interesting. When I first arrived at 8 PM and it was fairly full of guys and three ladies. Two fugly and one fairly hot. Sat at the bar next the the fairly hot one, Catrina and ordered a couple of beers. This is definitely a local bar, several struck up a conversation to see what I was all about. My espanol is very good, but it fits nowhere. Not Nogales, Monterrey, Argentina, or Costa Rica. I have a accent that simply yells foreigner. Oh well. Any way back to Potros. Had a extensive conversation about a bunch of differing rambling subjects with two local dudes. I kept an eye on Catrina but figured that patience would pay off. It never did and she was the one that got away. Eventually, I headed over to Studio 69 and nothing struck my fancy. Assuming that Mirasol for Obsessions was going to be arriving at 3:15 AM I just killed time.

Went back to Potros Cantina about 2 AM and some of the same tired dudes and ladies were there but not Catrina.

Went back to the Pancho Villa Hotel and waited for Marisol in room 12. She was a no show but at 3 AM ish there were many ladies entering rooms with a overall high amount of comotion and movement.

Pancho Villa is as previously reviewed. New, with not counter space in the bathroom, decent bed, but noisey even on the non street side. There is simply so much concrete and tile that nothing absorbs sound.

I am attaching a picture of the Pancho Villa which is through the small street on the South behind of Placers.

Also, a image of Potros which is literally visible from Placers, and Boliero on the same side of the street. Note Boliero is in the image with Potros.

[Scott Bkinaz]

Loves Los Yes I said babe It don't matter how many are in the room as long as the one your with be that hottie. So I do a little playing on the i=net got a couple of ladies from backpages. 125 fs bbbj and play. bbbjcym greek 175 . I did love those reports from .... good hunting.When I was going to La Conga I saw a hot hot girl in front of a hotel now I wish I would have stopped. I now play here except when going to TJ. ooops I am going to Thai and Pi 3 week in Feb first of march. Play there also.

[SexHobbyist]

But then, I know a guy that sees the same girls in the Candy Store all the time...

11 days...
LoveLOS

Abe is the worst of a bad lot. I've got no use for him and he ends up spoiling my experience. That's all I'll say about him.

The difference between Nogales and Tucson is proximity. I don't visit Nogie daily. It's so easy to drive down the street to one of Tucson's infamous skin establishments. Once you find something you like, you tend to stay with it if it's that convenient. If I lived in Nogales, I'd be hitting those clubs daily and visiting some of that talent on a regular basis. Proximity.
See you soon.
Sexhobbyist

[LoveLOS]

These guys are the bane of the Nogales strip club. They get you drinks, and escort girls to your table, and try to sell you dances, sexo, and ask you for a tip for their "services." A general pain in the ass.

We really do agree. I guess the essence of my comments were that, if you are going to deal with a Guy in a Tie, make him earn the tip. I use the motherfucker as a private concierge.

Abe is probably one of the more intimidating tie guys due to his size. Fortunately, he has to look up to LL, and I use that when cutting any deals for his services. Since I usually go for a week, I only tip him ONCE, on the last day (or a daily stipend, say $20, works also). I make it clear that he must earn his keep or I go elsewhere, which I do anyway just to keep Abe honest. Your spanish is probably better than mine, so I have found he will negotiate shit with the hottest girls they might not otherwise go for, like foursomes in the hotel, etc. Bastard has my phone number and has already called. I did not disclose all the dates of my trip to aid in avoiding him for a while. On the good side, I have negotiated off-site hotel visits for the same price as the storage room in the basement of Bolerios. And it is 60 minutes, not 45...

Face it, we're mongers. We chaffe at the notions of following the morality of others, and/or the system they have created. We operate just outside the system to get what we want. You, SH, have mastered the art of extras in the USA strip clubs. My suggestions here are just another way to use the Nogi strip club system (in this case the Guys in Ties) to our own advantage. Everything in Mexico is negotiable, and one place we need to negotiate hardest is with the club pimps--but always with a smile on your face...

OK, we do differ in one thing, once I find a girl with whom I really click, the sex is way above average, we have fun, yada yada yada... I make it my business to fuck her until I get tired of her. This is not to say I won't keep trolling for fresh meat. I guess my daily M.O. is to fuck two new ones and and at least one old fave every day in Nogi. That way, even if I'm having a bad night fishing, I have my ace in the hole for the nightcap... But then, I know a guy that sees the same girls in the Candy Store all the time...

11 days...
LoveLOS

[SexHobbyist]

LL,

You and I have a respectful different opinion of Abe. As useful as you think he is to your mongering, I think he's useless for a couple of reasons.

I don't like the way he corners me in the men's room and blocks the door until I give him a $50 tip. I don't like the way he always has his fat hand in my wallet. I don't like the way he almost always adds 50% to my budget for each visit to Obsessions. I don't like the way he pads the prices to get his share. I don't like the way that he hovers. I don't like the way that he intimidates dancers to stay away from me unless he, himself, brings them to me. (I like dancers who have enough initiative to come and sit on my lap. Abe discourages this because there's no $$$ in it for him.)

There isn't such a lack a girls in Nogie that I need his services. I've learned to enjoy myself by making Obsessions my last call (if at all). I have fun at all the other Abe-less clubs first and spend my money the way I want with the abundance of talent available and without the intimidation of the floor pimps. Only then, if I still need a fix at Obsessions do I venture into Abe's world.

To me, Nogie is much more fun without Abe dictating the circumstances with his hand in my wallet the whole time. He may have a little black book, but its contents are pricey and I don't linger over previous pussy anyway because of all the luscious fresh talent out there to sample. I move on with my mongering and Abe doesn't need to be hovering over me as I explore new talent.

Now that he's at Bolero, I'll frequent that establishment less and Obsessions more.
Sexhobbyist

[LoveLOS]

WW's reports struck home with the factor the Waiters and club Pimps (AKA Guys in Ties) play in the Nogales experience...

These guys are the bane of the Nogales strip club. They get you drinks, and escort girls to your table, and try to sell you dances, sexo, and ask you for a tip for their "services." A general pain in the ass.

OTOH, and there usually is an OH; sometimes they really are worth the tip. Ferinstance, the guy at Obsessions that takes care of us:

He has some private stock. And if you have a favorite chica, he will usually get her into his rolodex. He has been known to call them often enough, even in afternoons, when the clubs are closed. If they have quit dancing or moved to another bar and are still willing providers, he keeps in touch and has hooked me up. He know me well enough to pick out the winners out of the stable, prime them to meet me, etc. Three Ms LoveLOS's have come from his handpicks. What can I say, that works for me? We get more time in the back rooms, we get the occasional free drink, none of the other customers or the other guys in ties fuck with us, or keep pressing us for drink orders. Most importantly we don't pay cover.

If your spanish is weak, my suggestion is to befriend, or pretend to befriend, one of the guys in ties...

Well, our guy Abe has moved to Bolerio. I bet he brings my Salma Hyack or spinner girl over this year, HEHEHE Anyway, the stable there is usually high quality, so we may be spending a lot of time there. OTOH, there I am sure the other guys in ties at Obsessions will remember BB and I and we'll also get preferred treatment there. I love the thought of taking the pick of two *****houses... Maybe we'll just fuck em all...

We are gonna have fun... Check your PMs if we have been talking about meeting up for a rountable party. Don't forget Super Sunday! Remember, it is the manditory night out with the guys... You can find out who won and the score on the way home on the radio...

12 days...
LoveLOS

[LoveLOS]

Wild Wind - wonderful reporting. I read the reports and can picture the scene so vivdly, especially when you point out where you sat--too cool.

Love to click glasses with ya,
12 days...

LoveLOS

[SexHobbyist]

Please share with me if you can. I know this is the Nogales thread..pm me if possible Thanks.

You can read my extensive reports on the USASexGuide site in the Tucson strip club section. I don't have PM privileges on this site.

Sexhobbyist

[Wild Wind]

Studio 69 is cavernous in comparison to all the other Nogi clubs typically frequented by horny gringos. Its 2 story-high main room and glitzy finishes and lighting make it feel like Vegas compared to the alternatives. The privado booths are clean with comfortable chairs and seem a bit bigger than other clubs, although they are still just open booths. The talent level has been very high every time I’ve been there. Last time (November 2006) I met and got friendly with Agustin (phonetic spelling), the guy who books the girls. His English is excellent and he was able to give me some background on the business. He says the girls come from all over Mexico and they will often travel around between clubs. He says about half have babies to support. He was helpful in picking out talent for me to take to the back room based on my interests. I went on 2 nights and Agustin found me an excellent hottie each night who agreed to high mileage for double time (12 minutes) for the standard $23. No complaints. Although enthusiastic, the girls were more by-the-book at Studio 69 than at nastier places (Obsession, etc). They would not go skin-on-skin w/ Mr Johnson but they did work him over actively through the fabric of my khakis, in one case doing a mighty nibbling job. Unlimited FOB was on the menu although no DFK. I didn’t ask for DFK specifically when I told Agustin what I like, but next time I will see if he can provide me with one who will let me indulge. One night Agustin pointed out the owner, a young guy, with his wife. He is the son of a guy who owns a couple other clubs in Nogi, so Studio 69 must be “Junior’s baby”. They try hard to get you to pay $5 to get in, but be prepared to walk. Also, I've had luck letting a tout bring me there after promising that he could get me in for no cover. They pay him his $1 and I just stride right in.