Nigeria

[Mighty Spearsman]

New mainstream medical research seems to suggest that injections by a needle that's been used too many times is now the primary cause of HIV+/AIDS in most developing countries (Africa, India), not unprotected sex, although unprotected sex is still a major cause as well. Which may explain why "poor chaps who never had the means to be promiscuous in the first place" are dropping dead of AIDS.

Regardless, I'm with Frank Africa on this one, not xxl. Use a condom!

[Frank Africa]

Originally posted by xxl
Aids..the case of men (or women) who fuck around and do not get infected remains intriguing. When you are one of them, you cannot but ask questions...so many people who are reported to be dieing of aids in Africa are "poor chaps who never had the means to be promiscuous in the first place"...Some serious scientific research also challenges conventional wisdom... Scientists now think immunity may be reliant on continued exposure - once regular contact with HIV stops, immunity is lost"...This last sentence is intriguing. The prostitutes were immune as long as they plied their trade, but they turned aids-positive after quitting!
xxl

Dear xxl:
With all due respect, there are several flaws in your arguments.

First, one doesn't have to be promiscuous to catch AIDS, one can catch it from having sex only once but with an infected person, or from receiving a shot with a dirty needle, or a transfusion of infected blood, or exchange of bodily fluids, etc. The results of a recent survey of blood collected in one large East African city indicated that 49% of the donated blood was contaiminated with HIV.

Second, one can catch the HIV virus and it may not evolve into AIDS for several years (in Arthur Ashe's case it took 5 years to develop into AIDS and 5 more years before he died), and the HIV may not even show up on a blood test for six months or more after the point of infection. So the fact that a SW developed AIDS after quitting may just be a coincidence. On the other hand, there are also SWs who die of AIDS while still active in the trade. And there are also active SWs and "barebacker" johns who never become HIV positive, but that doesn't mean that they're not at risk - they're just lucky, IMHO.

Yes, conventional wisdom is not always correct, and it is clear that the scientific community does not yet know everything about HIV and AIDS. And as I said in an earlier post, the statistics may be wrong or even wildly inflated. But even if the real statistics are much lower, they are still cause for concern.

Your phrase "one who is promiscuous only once, or only on widely-spaced occasions, is more at risk than a totally reckless barebacker" scares me and I hope you don't sincerely believe it. One exhibit to illustrate this is that I probably fall into the former category (since I regularly use condoms but did not always do so back in the 1980s) and am 50 and still alive, while Johnny 'Wadd' Holmes died at the age of 40.

So, despite your "serious scientific research," I plan to continue using condoms when I'm out mongering, both in the US, in Africa, or anywhere else, and I hope that you do so as well. I certainly don't want you to do, I'd much rather be swapping posts on WSG with you 15 years from now!

[Red Devil]

CheapYngHoLuver,

I lived in Lagos for two years back in 1994 & 1995 & visited for one week in 2000. I'm not sure if you've ever been to Nigeria, but it is not a place to visit or stay just for the fun of it. Don't take this statement in the wrong way. Lagos is an absolute pussy hunter's paradise.

Most foreigners are in Nigeria for legitimate reasons (i.e. work) A tourist visa or TWP (Temporary Work Permit) is required for entry into the country. Most expats live in 3 separate areas of Lagos: Victoria Island (V.I.), Ikoyi Island or Apapa.

Crime in Nigeria is actually bred in to the locals. It truly is a way of life for these people. In general, most Nigerians live in a state of poverty & you can't really blame them for stealing everything that they can. Everyone is "on the take" in this place. I even had my own little personal scams going on just for entertainment purposes & to try to fit in with everyone else.

As with any large city, if you are in the wrong place at the wrong time you can be the victim of being robbed on the streets. I personally traveled all over the 3 places listed above both in the daytime & at night and never had any problems at all. Transportation is defintely required for any stay as Lagos is spread out over a large area with no real central spot for everything.

The cheapest area to stay would be Apapa. A room could be rented at one of the smaller hotels for approx. $10 to $12 (U.S.) per day.

Taxis are available everywhere but it would be best to rent a car with driver (car hire) for transportation. You do not want to be responsible for any traffic accident in Nigeria. Whites are seen as walking piles of money by Nigerians. Cars w/driver can be hired for approx. 150 to 250 Naira per hour. 140 Naira = $1 U.S. dollar when I was there. Appox 500 to 2,2000 Naira will be sufficient per meal depending on the restaurant & type of food ordered.

Now for the esentials - girls. Most bars In Lagos where expats frequent will have at least 20 to 100 girls. All can be had for 500 to 700 Niara short time or 1500 to 1700 Naira all night. Bbbj's are standard & are part of the rental fee. No real need to ask for them.

It was my experience that most girls did not want to negotiate price up front. Most were happy just to spend the night with you in a nice room with bed, shower & a/c. I only had one bad experience with a girl who demanded more money in my two years for being there.

Most girls are young, 18 to 25 with tight little bodies that are built for fucking. 3-somes are not a problem. Simply ask the girl of your choice to bring along a friend. While they generally don't do girl/girl action, in Nigeria anything is possible with money.

These girls are all eager to please & your rental fee includes all services except anal. Anal can be had, but as usual it varies from girl to girl. Remember, negotiation for anything purchased is expected & be sure to ask for a free gift from the Nigerian while negotiations are under way. The free gift thing tends to put you into the control of negotiations.

Please don't get the wrong impression by my earlier statements. Nigeria is loaded with uninhibited girls who really are great in the sack. Please don't take my earlier statements the wrong way. I actually enjoyed my stay & wish I could do another two years there. I just wanted to point out some of the negatives as well as the positives.

As I am typing this, I can see this 350+ lb. fat American cow stuffing the chow hole in her face full of cake & ice cream. It makes me sick to even look at her. She really does need to cancel her membership to the Betty Crocker Club. I wouldn't want to take her on a date. She would probably eat a whole sack of corn for dinner & still be looking for dessert. I want all who read this to make an observation the next time that you go to a restaurant here in the U.S. When you see a woman dining by herself, she most likely will not order dessert after her meal. Now look around at the other tables where there are two or more cows feeding. I'll bet that 9 out of 10 times they will order dessert after they gorge themselves like they're at the last supper.

I live in the U.S. and have traveled to Central America, the Carribean, Canada, Europe & Africa. I've never seen this problem with the livestock in any other country.

I know that I got off of the subject here at the end, but this cow & others like her in the herd really are a disgusting sight to look at.

[XXL]

Aids

I agree that the simplest (and safest) policy is to regard the risk of infection as high and I would not urge any man who can have his fun with condoms to stop doing so. Go on using condoms, if only to keep your peace of mind!

But the case of men (or women) who fuck around and do not get infected remains intriguing. When you are one of them, you cannot but ask questions.

For instance, a girl I know in Ouagadougou is scared stiff of catching aids and berates me for my lightheartedness on the subject, but she acknowledges her puzzlement at the fact that so many people who are reported to be dieing of aids in Africa are "poor chaps who never had the means to be promiscuous in the first place". Sexual transmission without sex?

Some serious scientific research also challenges conventional wisdom, see http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/low/health/619316.stm of which an excerpt:

"It was thought that exposure to HIV on a regular basis created [lasting] immunity, but six Kenyan women previously thought to be resistant are now HIV-positive.

The women are all former prostitutes who have since left the business.

Scientists now think immunity may be reliant on continued exposure - once regular contact with HIV stops, immunity is lost. "

This last sentence is intriguing. The prostitutes were immune as long as they plied their trade, but they turned aids-positive after quitting!

It would suggest that once you are promiscuous, you have to go on being so, otherwise you may lose immunity and may turn positive. This makes immunological sense (continued exposure works like renewed vaccination) but flies in the face of classical aids prevention campaigns. If this is true, one who is promiscuous only once, or only on widely-spaced occasions, is more at risk than a totally reckless barebacker. And telling the latter to mend his ways might not be doing him a good turn.

This doesn't mean that avoiding exposure altogether is not the safest of all, but it certainly adds an interesting twist. I am grateful to the aids virus for not being the moral bigot some people would wish it to be.

xxl

[Frank Africa]

Originally posted by chacho
*.The aids/hiv epedemic in africa* There's a part of me that wants to believe that in overwhelmingly third world nations,where the bulk of people don't even have access to doctors, how in the hell is it possibly to determine what percentage of the populace is hiv positive or not. Hence there's probably a lot of heresay or speculation going on from Western governments.

The statistics on HIV/AIDS in Africa are actually more accurate than you might think. Pregnant women are routinely tested for HIV when they go to a clinic for a check-up or to give birth. International organizations and local ngo's (non-profit organizations) have also taken surveys in the field. Also, the number of deaths from AIDS has shot up dramatically during the last five years. Obviously a lot of folks are HIV+.

And even if the numbers are off a bit, they are still alarming. Look at it this way, if the statistics say that in a country 25% of the adult women are HIV positive, does it really matter if the real rate is only 10% or 15%? All of these numbers are too high to ignore. And you are correct in speculating that SWs have a higher incidence of HIV+ than the general population.

I lived in Africa for 7 years and return their regularly. And while I love my African women, I would never ever dream of sex without a condom. It's that simple!

[Sabio]

Test kits, anyone?

Given these numbers for HIV infections, do people use fast home test kits, such as OraQuick?
There is an on-going discussion in the safe sex section (under special interests) about using such kits for prescreening providers in addition to (or instead of) using condoms.

[chacho]

Lol! I got to admit that these forums are so fascinating, I could read on forever. So many guys who remind me of myself. Anyways, on the topic at hand, a couple of things that have been mentioned thus far really stand out:

*.The aids/hiv epedemic in africa* There's a part of me that wants to believe that in overwhelmingly third world nations,where the bulk of people don't even have access to doctors, how in the hell is it possibly to determine what percentage of the populace is hiv positive or not. Hence there's probably a lot of heresay or speculation going on from Western governments.

In spite of the above, there's indeed some truths to the hoopla about how aids is devastating Africa. The stats for some African nations (like South Africa) are as high as 25%. Now,in Africa aids is primarily spread through hetero sex. So,logic would dicate that sex workers in such countries have even higher rates. I'm talking over 50%. So,fucking around in such places is really like playing Russian rulette. So I guess what I'm driving at is one needs to really do their research, when considering which African honies to scope out and where. I mean, there are some African nations that don't have extremely high incidences of hiv.

That stuff out the way, I think that the women of West Africa are some of the sexiest and most exotic in the world. Those fine figures, healthy round asses and firm breasts are a wonder to behold. A freind of mine once visited Senegal and described the women as super fine and "slim phat"meaning tall, thin, yet extremely curvacious. Not to mention beautifull. I've also heard alot about beautifull Ethiopian women as well.

So yeah! I could understand the motivations of African excursions..

Later gators!
chacho

[Mike_Q]

Hello Gents...
I backin London...
The second to the last post was pure Socio/Politcal Intelligence...
I am refering to the quotes from "xxl"...

And i Quote....

XXL SAID -
"if stories I keep hearing in Africa are anything to go by (women of certain tribes are consistently considered to be "unrepenting *****s" while women from other tribes have the reputations of making "reliable housewives" etc.). "

This is very true to a great extent..you can find this among the
University Amatuers...
In nigeria,the ladies from Delta State, a mid-western state in the south of the country [nsoko's, Irobos, and Isekeris] seem to have an instatiable desire for "Banana[Sex] and Money!!!.

This also holds tru for ladies from the far east of nigeria [the area's of port-harcout and calabar cities. The ladies here revel in the covert promiscuity and whoring.

The Ibo ladies from the east across the niger-bridge also can get freaky but are seriously down for the "money". So if you have cash for hand, the draws are definitely coming of!!!.

XXL analysis is spot on her -

Quote - "If you're in Benin, you can tell the local light-weight, smallish Fons from the crowd of heavier Nigerian immigrants, among whom you will distinguish the darker-skinned and skinnier Yorubas from the lighter-brown and stouter Ibos etc. "

Again i can not knock this observation......

This was the Wisdom - key , the final quote...

XXL QUOTE -
"If you have an African girl-friend, ask her to diagnose people in the street for you, then have a go at it yourself. Don't be afraid to question a girl about her "ethnic group" or "race". She'll appreciate your taking an interest and she'll love telling you about her people (and maligning the other ones who, so she'll tell you, are responsible for much of what goes wrong in the country!). "

And there you have IT!!!

CHEERS

mIKE_Q

[Frank Africa]

Dear XXL: I agree with your post.

Dear "WORDUP" -

Sorry about this, but I lived in Africa for over 7 years and still go there regularly for my job (several visits a year) and I have to respectfully disagree with you.

You're correct in that French and English are colonial languages and that virtually all black Africans speak one or more local languages and may or may not know much of their country's colonial language, but other that that you are completely wrong about the languages.

In Senegal, most people speak at least some Wolof in addition to their local language (Peul, Serrere), but I doubt if many Senegalese know any of the languages spoken in Ghana (Akan, Fanti, Ewe, etc.). The same goes for Ghana - most Ghanaians know their own language, bits and pieces of two other languages, but hardly anyone in Ghana knows Wolof or any other language commonly found in Senegal. And it's the same thoughout Africa, which features hundreds of local mutually-incomprehensible languages as well as several colonial languages (English, French, Spanish, Portuguese, Arabic, etc.). Most Africans know only the 3 or 4 languages common to their country or province.

Even languages that are spoken in a range of several different countries, such as Hausa and Peul in West Africa and Swahili in East and Southern Africa are pretty much unknown outside their areas. That's why I chuckle at the recently-invented American holiday of Kwanzaa, which uses Swahili words (from East Africa) even though most black Americans are descended from slaves captured in West and Central Africa or Angola, places where no one speaks Swahili. If you go to East Africa and mention Kwanzaa, no one will know what you're talking about, or else they'll say "yes, I've heard that there's a holiday in the U.S. by that name."

And since this is the WSG and not a web site about languages, after 29 years of great sex with black African women, my bottom line as stated in my last post is: Senegalese women are different in bed than Ghana/Nigeria/Cameroon women, and Cameroon women are the best!

[XXL]

I don't quite agree with Wordup although I can't say much about Senegal proper since I've never been there.

One first thing to consider is that even among white women, there's much variety if you pay proper attention. With a bit of practice and experience, you can tell a bunch of Russian blondes from a bunch of German or Dutch blondes just by looking at their faces (higher cheekbones in Russians etc.). Likewise, if you live some time in Portugal like I did, and then settle in France or Italy, you will be amazed at how different Portuguese brunettes are from their French and Italian counterparts.

Now it may be that blacks of African origin in the US and in South-America are a pretty homogeneous crowd because they had plenty of time to intermingle since being brought to the New World from (mainly West) Africa.

This hardly applies to blacks on the African continent however, because African races (tribes) have interbred much less. Proof of this is the fact that many of those countries are a mosaic of tribes speaking MUTUALLY UNINTELLIGIBLE languages, so much so that they have to resort to the colonial language (English, French, Portuguese) for inter-tribal/national communication.

One of the fascinations of (whoring in) Africa is the human variety you encounter. This variety is not only bodily or facial, it also extends to behavioural traits, if stories I keep hearing in Africa are anything to go by (women of certain tribes are consistently considered to be "unrepenting *****s" while women from other tribes have the reputations of making "reliable housewives" etc.).

One complication is that ethnic groups are not coincident with political borders. Some historically nomad people like the Peul (aka Falou) are spread all over Western Africa. Many span more than one country (e.g. the industrious Bamileke people in the Cameroons and the Central African Republic).

A good way to get better at noticing differences between Africans is to start with an discrete feature like bodily height and height/weight ratio. If you're in Benin, you can tell the local light-weight, smallish Fons from the crowd of heavier Nigerian immigrants, among whom you will distinguish the darker-skinned and skinnier Yorubas from the lighter-brown and stouter Ibos etc.

If you have an African girl-friend, ask her to diagnose people in the street for you, then have a go at it yourself. Don't be afraid to question a girl about her "ethnic group" or "race". She'll appreciate your taking an interest and she'll love telling you about her people (and maligning the other ones who, so she'll tell you, are responsible for much of what goes wrong in the country!).

I love having this kind of talk with African girls. They're such a healthy change from the BS smalltalk you get at home.

[WordUp]

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.... I HAVE TO DISAGREE ....

.... > I have been to Senegal and Ghana last year, and they are both basically same country just colonized by different Euro countries. The people are the same in ways and customs, body and mind. Even though in Senegal they speak French and the other English, they are united in language from a century before being colonized ... as the (spelling ) Wool-lif language, UNITES THEM. This way they speak to each other without using French or English. So basically the women are all the same, you just happen to see the same kind of differences as you would see here in the USA, in different States.

>>>> Now as for the subject matter, it is far easier to talk money matters with someone in your own language, than another, so I got far better deals for my money (which I did NOT post, for my own reasons). In Senegal I had a hotel Pro be the middle girl, to arrange for me. She got a cut of everything, and it was worth it. She also joined in, sometimes. I did find more BiRacial women in Senegal, and they were ready for Freddy.

.... > I found that either country is great for SEX, but in just a short two week stay, I did not have as much time as I wanted to really go after the real action. I found fair amount of locals to be had, but the men that got them for me, kept wanting to get me 12-14y/o girls. Hell NO !!!! They finally understood, and only girls 18 and up, were accepted.
>>>> Oh yea .... Prostitution is legal in Senegal, as long as you have a health card from the State. A lot of local you girls have a card. Do it without a card, and get caught, the State will come down on them very hard. The State makes BIG Money from selling the cards, and giving the checkups. Senegal has one of the lowest AIDS rates in Africa. Ghana has a fairly low rate too.



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[Beavis]

Frank Africa I agree with you on Cameroon.

[Frank Africa]

Dear weasel:

I've been in all of the countries you asked about, and:

- the women in Senegal are very different than the women in Ghana/Nigeria/Cameroon. The Senegalese women are taller, more elegant and more fashion-conscious but IMHO are not as good in bed, partially because most Senegalese women are Moslem and are partially circumsized. Also, Senegalese women are not as good at giving BJs as the other countries mentioned.

- Cameroonian women are very similar in looks to Nigerian women, but I would rate Cameroonian women slightly higher. In fact, I feel that Cameroonian women are the #1 women in Africa

- yes, women from Ghana are shorter but I've run across some large-breasted Ghanaian women as well as small-breasted Ghanaian women. Women from Ghana are the most enthusiastic f---s I've ever come across.

- Ugandan women are pretty good, in fact they are considered to be the best ho's in East Africa. But not as good as Cameroonian women.

Good luck with your trip, and please be sure to post some stories about your travels.

[Mike_Q]

Yeah@weasel, i
I have been to Ghana on a stop over two nights. I must say, that Some ghanians if not all are very conservative when it comes to der sex issue!!!.
Hmm senegal - dont know too much about North-East Africa.
Cameroun, well i hear its good. Uganda..dont no anthing.
I huess nigeria is your best bet, although i always advise to get with the Univeristy girls, the amateurs. And its good to get to know the place a little and feel the atmosphere!.
I just did not just become a "seasoned Veteran" over night !!!.
I guess as you said weasel that its good for some-one to show you the ropes. Thats why it more rofitable to come to nigeria as an expat or with people who you know that work as expats.
The ladies are in abundance, but its a very simple in logic and instinct to know the ladies who have a vibe for you and will not give you any trouble. If you seen any of my previous post, it would be good for you to look at the patter and manner of approach.

And yeah rasta, i know how to contact the Tall one!!!.
I guess i have to write up a tourist report on Lagos and Port-harcourt and on the Universit/Campus Ladies in "Specifics" to give folks and good idea of the Pyschology and Socio-Cultural outlook of Nigerians in general.

Its also interesting that when you come to Lagos, the first thing i noted was the coolness of the nigerian men in general in regards to thr opposite sex. Then i realized when i saw the night how women were so accessable which kind of knocked me off my mental balance at first. This was because they were movng up to meto get to know me in bars with a look of "Favour in return".
This is not to say all nigerian women are "Freaks" or "Wanton", but they have a attitude of "if you treat me to a good time, i shall treat you with what i got" and looking around them, what they have got is really there "Body Stock".

But the Campus/Uni girls are the best bet, because they have more invested and set for them in the future to look forward to than your regular prose who could be a bit Rough and edgy sometimes. When you get to the universities in Lagos and see the mannerism of the Campus girls in relation to The pros who hang out by strategic Spots in the metropolis of Lagos, its easier to avoid the Fake and aim for the "Real McCoy" .

There much to enjoy if you play by the ground rules, So many expats have seen the beauty of good cash working in nigeria and the kind [sex] they enjoy. well i guess its the best kept secret of why most people go abroad like the carribbean and west africa, Latin America....well i can go on and on..
I guess i have to do that write up....with links and articles to read up to get a feel of what i am saying....

O,k gents...i shall get into this more soon, now i have to explore further...i and a friend are going to Yaba Polytechnic Lagos to see some of the "Hour-class" wonders!!!.

Later folks.....
Mike_q

[Weasel]

Mike_Q

You inspire me Mike_Q...

I have a very trivial note. I was in ghana...I thought the girls were short and small breasted.


My next trip has boiled down to : Senegal, Nigeria, Uganda.

Are the girls in Senegal tall and different looking than Ghanians?

Are Cameroonians much different looking than Ghanians and Nigerians?

Mike_Q: How long...when will the next time will you be in Nigeria: I will go there if you will show me around. I am looking for a wife...I am highly educated, PhD. From a top ten school here in the US..I am a true amateur. I f I can meet you in Lagos that would be great. Sorry to impose, but I am clueless.

Thanks.