FKK Palace - Frankfurt

[Excess]

What is the downside of telling a girl that you read about her on the internet and she needs to be careful about screwing guys out of money like this?

FWIW, I wouldn't recommend ever telling a girl at a club or elsewhere that you read about her on the Internet or that you even know what the Internet vis-a-vis Clubs has on it. Why? Just setting up all sorts of problems for yourself and other mongers. The girl can take it any number of ways - usually bad and rarely good. I would suggest that you never say that "it's my first time here, I read about you on the Internet", rather something along the lines of: "No - not my first time here, but it has been awhile since my last visit and I thought that I would drop in again to see if I was going to be happy here." NO club girl needs to know that you are visiting first time or not because of a forum or that you haven't been there before - even if you haven't. ISG and this thread has a number of examples of why you can get into trouble or receive sub-standard service if they do know that it is your first visit. Why give the 'enemy' any more ammunition than necessary? It's a war out there in Clubland - use the information found here to your advantage and enjoy.

[Chicafan]

I knew her in passing from a previous visit but talked to her quite a while on my last visit. I am a little surprised to hear she did this because my take on her is that she is a real nice girl that happens to work in the club. She speaks good English and spent a lot of time(by Palace standards) talking to me even though I think she knew I probably was not interested. I liked her a lot as a person but she is a B lister imo and I would not take her unless it was an off night there and I just wanted to give it a shot. She's not ugly, she is just not fine imho. She is not exactly busy either so maybe it was a way for her to grab 25E. I understand Panda's situation though in that he did not want trouble and was not sure what the rules were. Along with that you have Palace's weakass management siding with the girl so what are you going to do?

I think it was a cheap trick to pull for 25E though. I'm going to remember this and make sure a girl doesn't start kissing or that I pull away if she starts.

It is unfortunate, but it does happen, esp. to newbies who don't speak German or those who tend to feel a bit out of their element.

This girl Valentina, I know, for sure, is a bit of a shark. You should have figured this out.

When you give 25 euro like this you make the Pallace even more unfriendly. We will get a situatin when girls run around and make money for just kissing in all directions. You should not have given her 25 euro!

Valentina speaks English well so I am sure this had nothing to do with the communication problem unless you are referring to management not speaking English making Panda unable to make his case. I also don't see how one can figure out a girl is a shark that quick in most cases. We are in sex clubs and girls make advances to seduce. Are we to take the view that only the girls who lay back and wait on a guy are good sessions and true GFEs? Nah, there's no real way around this situation. If all he did was touch tongues with her a little, something that many of us have done with girls who did not consider it a commitment or try to hook us for 25E, then he simply got taken advantage of.

It sounds to me like management heard Panda's side and said he owed 25E. What can he do? He did not volunteer to give her 25E and even tried not to. It's easy to sit on an internet board and say what someone should not have done. But management, presumably the people that run the club and decide if you can stay or not, said he owes the money.

I hate those situations because they really do ruin your balance for a while and make you a little insecure about what's right and wrong in the clubs. Then on your next session or two you're a little off wondering what the scam will be this time and on your way to the locker to get money you just know she's going to tell you it's 50E extra cause you went overtime or something.

I think Palace management sides with the girls because they know they need a lot of girls to be there to attract men. Girls are their lifeblood believe it or not, not us. A girl works there five nights a week, while the average customer is there fewer than five nights a year. Don't forget, the girls pay 75E to walk in too.

What is the downside of telling a girl that you read about her on the internet and she needs to be careful about screwing guys out of money like this? On the one hand it might get around to girls that you read the internet, so what. On the other though it lets them know that guys talk about this stuff and it costs them more money in the long run.

[Ortos]

Pandaman,

It sounds clear to me that you were taken advantage of. This is exactly what we are talking about when we say not to reveal it is your first time in a club. It is unfortunate, but it does happen, esp. to newbies who don't speak German or those who tend to feel a bit out of their element.

This girl Valentina, I know, for sure, is a bit of a shark. You should have figured this out. Perhaps you also should have made it a bit more emphatic that she initiated this, not you, and that it was not even full on DFK, but just some very superficial activity for a second or two. And that you did in fact terminate the activity by telling her you were not interesed (at the moment) to go to the room. You could have told the management that you wished to discuss the matter privately with them, not in the company of your accurser. Sometimes if your body language suggests you are unsure and unwilling to stand your ground, well...

Anyway, to answer your question head on: No, kissing, even DFK for a short time does NOT represent a committment to go to the room. Therefore, you were taken advantage of and you have legitimate grounds to complain, or even to avoid this club if you feel that bad about it...

This stuff about the police: it is bullshit that they would call in the polizei for something so trivial as a 25E dispute. There must have been alot more to this other incident to get the men in yellow/green involved.

[Atooz]

When you give 25 euro like this you make the Pallace even more unfriendly. We will get a situatin when girls run around and make money for just kissing in all directions. You should not have given her 25 euro!

Again, I wasn't sure of the rule and the management did side with the girl. I would definitely hold my ground if I knew for sure that it was B.S. When I visited this club the 2nd time about a week later, I witnessed a dispute between a customer and a girl on payment and they called the police. While I was watching the whole thing unfolding, Valentina came up to me and asked if I remembered her and said that is what happen if customer doesn't pay up. I just ignored her and walked away.

[James 006]

When you give 25 euro like this you make the Pallace even more unfriendly. We will get a situatin when girls run around and make money for just kissing in all directions. You should not have given her 25 euro!

I visited Palace on 4/26, my first time at a Frankfurt FKK club. It was around 16:30 when I entered the main lounge and sat at the bar. There were around 15 girls and about the same number of men. This Italian girl named Valentina (or Valencia) came up and started talking to me. She is about 5'4" with her 4-inch hi-heels on. She then leaned forward, started rubbing her hand on my shoulder and positioning her lips right in front of mine. I don't remember if I started sticking my tongue out first but the tip of our tongues touched lightly and briefly for 3 or 4 times. I then rubbed my left hand on on her shoulder, just trying to be friendly as I wasn't all that interested in her. I did not touch her anywhere else and we did not engage in DFK. When she asked if I would like to go into a room with her after a couple of minutes, I politely told her that I needed some time to settle in and may consider going with her later on. She then said that I had to either go in the room with her then or give her 25 Euro because I kissed her. I remembered from reading this forum before my trip to Palace that you're only committed if you let her give you BBBJ. I continued to politely tell her that I needed sometime to think about it but she insisted that all the girls in the club had already seen us kissed and I had to either go in the room with her or give her 25 Euro. On her suggestion, we went and talked to the "boss". She told the boss that I kissed and touched her and I told the boss that I only kissed her after she kissed me first and I just put my hand on her shoulder to be friendly. The boss sided with Valentina and said that I should've asked her to stop and not enjoyed the kissing if I wasn't interested. As I didn't want to make a scene and run the risk of being blacklisted by the girls or ejected from the club, I decided very quickly that I wasn't going to fight the battle and gave her 25 Euro and moved on.

I am wondering if any of you know that's the rule at Palace: kissing means committment? If it is, I think it is just bad business as it would make the customers much more cautious and less willing to "test drive" the girls, which translates to fewer deals made. If there is no such rule, then I would advise my fellow mongers to stear clear of this girl. Note that I did tell her that it was my first visit to Palace but I thought that I didn't act like I was nervous or uneasy in the club.

[Atooz]

I visited Palace on 4/26, my first time at a Frankfurt FKK club. It was around 16:30 when I entered the main lounge and sat at the bar. There were around 15 girls and about the same number of men. This Italian girl named Valentina (or Valencia) came up and started talking to me. She is about 5'4" with her 4-inch hi-heels on. She then leaned forward, started rubbing her hand on my shoulder and positioning her lips right in front of mine. I don't remember if I started sticking my tongue out first but the tip of our tongues touched lightly and briefly for 3 or 4 times. I then rubbed my left hand on on her shoulder, just trying to be friendly as I wasn't all that interested in her. I did not touch her anywhere else and we did not engage in DFK. When she asked if I would like to go into a room with her after a couple of minutes, I politely told her that I needed some time to settle in and may consider going with her later on. She then said that I had to either go in the room with her then or give her 25 Euro because I kissed her. I remembered from reading this forum before my trip to Palace that you're only committed if you let her give you BBBJ. I continued to politely tell her that I needed sometime to think about it but she insisted that all the girls in the club had already seen us kissed and I had to either go in the room with her or give her 25 Euro. On her suggestion, we went and talked to the "boss". She told the boss that I kissed and touched her and I told the boss that I only kissed her after she kissed me first and I just put my hand on her shoulder to be friendly. The boss sided with Valentina and said that I should've asked her to stop and not enjoyed the kissing if I wasn't interested. As I didn't want to make a scene and run the risk of being blacklisted by the girls or ejected from the club, I decided very quickly that I wasn't going to fight the battle and gave her 25 Euro and moved on.

I am wondering if any of you know that's the rule at Palace: kissing means committment? If it is, I think it is just bad business as it would make the customers much more cautious and less willing to "test drive" the girls, which translates to fewer deals made. If there is no such rule, then I would advise my fellow mongers to stear clear of this girl. Note that I did tell her that it was my first visit to Palace but I thought that I didn't act like I was nervous or uneasy in the club.

[Jackyo]

I don't need to know how to say "No, thank you!" or "Leave me alone!" in Romanian, I can communicate that in German, English oder French, or non-verbal. Much more important:

Saruta ma = Kiss me!

Te iu besc = I love you.

Hessen Bub

.. in my memory banks for when I do find a Romanian chick I'd like to be with!

Thanks!

[Hessen Bub]

I don't need to know how to say "No, thank you!" or "Leave me alone!" in Romanian, I can communicate that in German, English oder French, or non-verbal. Much more important:

Saruta ma = Kiss me!

Te iu besc = I love you.

Hessen Bub

[Jackyo]

i'm an asian man who was at palace, oase, and world a few months ago and saw asian guys at each place. the girls won't exactly discriminate, but a few girls told me that a lot of girls don't like asian customers because they get a lot of customers from asia who don't speak english or german which makes it hard to communicate.

at each place, i was tagged as a newbie and was swarmed by romanians when i entered, but thanks to the advice on this forum i came out unrep001hed.

sign language and pidgin german or english will work sometimes but it can be frustrating and sometimes the women would much rather avoid the frustration.

this works both ways. if i don't think i'm going to have a an easy time communicating with her, i will pass and look for someone who i can communicate with.

not looking like you belong there immediately does tag you as foreign and most likely a newbie.

one point about the nrw clubs: there is a large japanese community in duesseldorf and the clubs in the area are used to dealing with japanese customers. i've seen them everywhere, most recently in goldentime where they were preyed upon immediately by german blondes.

glad that our advice to you on avoiding pitfalls helped, m3346.

does anyone know how to say: "no, thank you" in romanian? or maybe "i don't speak romanian"? or alternatively "buzz off, chick. i've got my eye on someone else"?

or how about signing her the lyrics from dragostea din tei?

ma-ia-hii
ma-ia-huu
ma-ia-hoo
ma-ia-haha miya-hee
miya-hoo
miya-ho
miya-haha

alo, salut, sunt eu, un haiduc,
si te rog, iubirea mea, primeste fericirea.
alo, alo, sunt eu picasso,
ti-am dat beep, si sunt voinic,
dar sa stii nu-ti cer nimic.

vrei sa pleci dar nu ma, nu ma iei,
nu ma, nu ma iei, nu ma, nu ma, nu ma iei.
chipul tau si dragostea din tei,
mi-amintesc de ochii tai.

te sun, sa-ti spun, ce simt acum,
alo, iubirea mea, sunt eu, fericirea.
alo, alo, sunt iarasi eu, picasso,
ti-am dat beep, si sunt voinic,
dar sa stii nu-ti cer nimic.

this is the only romanian i know. something about love under a linden tree.

[Member #3346]

hi,

i had did a search on the thread and could not find any answer so i post them again:

1. i am an asian from the far east, will palace refuse entry on me ? or have you guys seen any asian client around?

2. does the palace girls discriminate against asian man?

i'm an asian man who was at palace, oase, and world a few months ago and saw asian guys at each place. the girls won't exactly discriminate, but a few girls told me that a lot of girls don't like asian customers because they get a lot of customers from asia who don't speak english or german which makes it hard to communicate.

at each place, i was tagged as a newbie and was swarmed by romanians when i entered, but thanks to the advice on this forum i came out unrep001hed.

[Boerboer]

I will be in Paris next week and am wondering if any of you have suggestions for good fkk like spots in Paris, or are there any lives sex show clubs. I have heard there might be a good spot or two near saint-germain in the 6th arrondisement

Thanks

[Jackyo]

Which is not an issue of being Asian, Kaukasian, African etc. This can happen to any newbie in any FKK-club. So relax, observe the girls, take your time and don't give in to the first girl approaching you.

Hessen Bub

Any newbie at any club can be victimized this way.

I only brought this up because the dude asking this question is very clearly a newbie and also very clearly foreign (which makes it all the more likely to be a target particularly if he doesn't speak German).

There are ways to reduce the chances of this happening. Advice of this nature is sprinkled all over this forum.

I created a blacklist of women to watch out for at this particular club but have not had a chance to update it lately, unfortunately. I posted it sometime last fall in response to a flurry of bad reviews of specific girls to avoid at this club.

[Hessen Bub]

The only issue I'd worry about is being tagged as a newbie and therefore targeted for aggressive marketing, upselling or a scam which would consist of either short timing or over billing or the insidious "running up the clock" routine.

Which is not an issue of being Asian, Kaukasian, African etc. This can happen to any newbie in any FKK-club. So relax, observe the girls, take your time and don't give in to the first girl approaching you.

Hessen Bub

[Jackyo]

Hi,

I had did a search on the thread and could not find any answer so I post them again:

1. I am an Asian from the Far East, Will Palace refuse entry on me ? Or have you guys seen any asian client around?

2. Does the Palace girls discriminate against Asian man?

You should do fine.

The only issue I'd worry about is being tagged as a newbie and therefore targeted for aggressive marketing, upselling or a scam which would consist of either short timing or over billing or the insidious "running up the clock" routine.

[Hessen Bub]

You have sessioned quite a lot at Palace haven't you?

Palace is open now for 3 years and 2 months. I must have had around 150 Palace visits up to now, so I do have sessioned quite a bit there. ;-)

I'll clear it with them in advance but thanks again for the info. There are a lot of well-breasted girls at FKKs especially at Palace.

That's just the way to do it: Talk to the girls!

Hessen Bub