Monterrey

[Member #3453]

I have to concur with Carlos with respect to the potential that is available to one living in Monterrey. I have found some really great girlfriends in Monterrey over time, even after only being able to visit once a month for a week at a time, which is not even close to the amount of time that Carlos has available to him to work a plan patiently every week, several days a week actually.

I've been able to get to know a number of girls that I would have been able to turn into "real" girlfriends, ones that, if I had actually lived there, I know would have turned out to be real "novias" in the strictest sense of the word.

Those same kinds of GFE sessions are available much more easily in the other venues it seems, but none-the-less, the opportunity to experience GFE is available in Monterrey. And, if I lived there, I am also confident that the cost would be certainly less than what it would cost me to travel to other venues, even with respect to cost per session.

I do know that the same opportunity does NOT exist in the US, so I routinely travel to the destination that I can most easily justify, Monterrey. But, I must admit, at times, I do become frustrated after having experienced what the rest of the World has to offer compared to the lengthy effort required of Monterrey.

Monterrey does require more work than the other venues, and the cost per session is "INITIALLY" much higher. But, the quality of experience, once the ground work has been completely, is second to none comparatively worldwide.

Were I living in Monterrey, I suspect I might feel the same way about it as Carlos with respect to ROI (Return on Investment) as compared to worldwide travel to monger. But, since I must travel regardless, and I must travel where I can justify it, Monterrey offers an experience that I simply can not experience in the US, period. Some fun is better than none, verdad?

Being local all my life (48 years now) and 25 years of doing night rounds nonstop, once in a while I have considered dream visits to SEA and SA.
Nope... can't agree as you say JdFlores.
No way can you monetarly justify a trip... just airfare kills you (specially SEA) and just to be there for a few days and then a vast amount of days, months between trips ... nope.
What I spend in money here all month long (visits to the Obsession and Prestige lunch buffets, visits to Infinito, Harem, Casino, Bahamas, Rancho Loco) would only give me 5 days at Medellin.
I wouldn't exchange that for the girls I have at the clubs and the fun I have with them... and all that just a car drive away.

And for our American friends... well, they are here for business or because it's easier for them to reach our destination. Not the other way around.
They are like us, they just can't go elsewhere....

[MonterreyDude]

Being local all my life (48 years now) and 25 years of doing night rounds nonstop, once in a while I have considered dream visits to SEA and SA.
Nope... can't agree as you say JdFlores.
No way can you monetarly justify a trip... just airfare kills you (specially SEA) and just to be there for a few days and then a vast amount of days, months between trips ... nope.
What I spend in money here all month long (visits to the Obsession and Prestige lunch buffets, visits to Infinito, Harem, Casino, Bahamas, Rancho Loco) would only give me 5 days at Medellin.
I wouldn't exchange that for the girls I have at the clubs and the fun I have with them... and all that just a car drive away.

And for our American friends... well, they are here for business or because it's easier for them to reach our destination. Not the other way around.
They are like us, they just can't go elsewhere....

Don't know if you guys have gone to medellin, but being I mexican and having lived in Monterrey for 10 years, I can tell you that with the amount you spent coming to monterrey just to monger, I would definitively instead go to Medellin, check the Medellin Forum, prices are lower and "chicas" are more available and more willing to offer good service, GFE, it really is much more cost-effective than Monterrey. Of course airfare is going to be more expensive, but in the end, experience is much better.

Ahhh, how much I'd like to be in medellin, instead of Monterrey!

[Member #3453]

Hola JDfloresd,

No argument here...

I've never been to Medellin, but I have been to Cartegena. I have to admit that the todo la noche, GFE, experience is much more easily available in Colombia, and for a considerably lesser amount of money, even when factoring in the approximate $200 increase in RT airfare from my particular city in the USA versus the airfare to Monterrey.

To understand why some of us frequent Monterrey, you also have to understand that some of us can more easily justify a business trip to Mexico, to Monterrey specifically, a huge commercial center in Mexico, more easily than we can justify a trip to Colombia. And, in some cases, because we simultaneously conduct business in Monterrey, we can write off the travel expenses. That is not so nearly as easily done when traveling to some other venues for some of us. In addition...

Many of us have home lives that make regular international travel relatively complicated, and for some, impossible. I have pulled off a number of excuses over the years to travel all over the world, but in the final analysis, traveling to Monterrey is significantly easier. I know that it's probably not nearly as much potential enjoyment with respect to mongering, notwithstanding the huge enjoyment we get fraternizing with our regular buddies that live and visit Monterrey often. But, it serves to hold me over until I can find some half assed excuse to travel to a more rewarding destination.

However, with respect to strip clubs specifically, I suspect that the strip club experience in Medellin is not really quite to the standard of Monterrey. As I said, I have never been to Medellin specifically, but I can tell you that the strip club scene in Cartegena is terrible in comparison.

Of course, the mongering scene is far and away better than Monterrey with respect to selection, GFE, todo la noche, cost, etc...But, if you like terrorizing the strip clubs, and you enjoy the strip club environment, you won't find a better venue anywhere in the World for those kinds of activities than in Monterrey, IMHO.

Ahhhhhhh, how much I would like to be in Monterrey, Medellin, Cartegena, Bogota, San Jose, Jakarta, Bangkok, Pattaya, Batam, Phnom Phen, Singapore, or Bali, etc...than to be in the Corn Belt of the USA....Consider yourself damn fortunate!!! :-) The grass is always greener, verdad?

Don't know if you guys have gone to medellin, but being I mexican and having lived in Monterrey for 10 years, I can tell you that with the amount you spent coming to monterrey just to monger, I would definitively instead go to Medellin, check the Medellin Forum, prices are lower and "chicas" are more available and more willing to offer good service, GFE, it really is much more cost-effective than Monterrey. Of course airfare is going to be more expensive, but in the end, experience is much better.

Ahhh, how much I'd like to be in medellin, instead of Monterrey!

[Jdfloresd]

Don't know if you guys have gone to medellin, but being I mexican and having lived in Monterrey for 10 years, I can tell you that with the amount you spent coming to monterrey just to monger, I would definitively instead go to Medellin, check the Medellin Forum, prices are lower and "chicas" are more available and more willing to offer good service, GFE, it really is much more cost-effective than Monterrey. Of course airfare is going to be more expensive, but in the end, experience is much better.

Ahhh, how much I'd like to be in medellin, instead of Monterrey!

[Member #3453]

If funds are limited, Monterrey is NOT going to satify. If you're concentrating your efforts on street girls, massage girls, and door girls, then I suspect the quality of selection might be even less attractive than what might be available in other parts of Mexico for less money. I suspect that even in other parts of Mexico, girls that are choosing to work those lower end venues may even be more attractive and charming than what you will find on the street, in the doorways, and in the massage parlors of Monterrey.

There simply isn't a street walker scene in Monterrey, not one of any consequence, certainly nothing to visit Monterrey for...Plus, with respect to massage parlor girls, I just haven't found many that are attractive enough to entice me. There are some that are doable, but not that many. I have literally in the past, run all over downtown to each and everyone of them, a task that will literally take you hours just to stick your head in the door and do a cursory assessment of selection quality at each massage parlor.

Nor have I found but just a few standing on Reforma that I would even remotely consider. Plus, there is the disease factor that always scares me off with the door girls. They are not regulated by the health department in Monterrey, and the potential for "problems" is significantly greater. So, I avoid them. Plus, their motice operandi is more akin to what you find in TJ or at the border...more money to remove a top, always getting you in the room and then extorting more money for everything...you know the drill.

I have a theory about this availability issue in Monterrey versus other parts of Mexico, some observations, some questions...

First, Monterrey, because it's an expensive city, attracts the best looking girls from all over Mexico. The best looking, best personalities always go to the strip clubs first. The "notorious" recent visitor to Monterrey recently mentioned that there must be at least 90 strip clubs in Monterrey. He is probably conservative in that estimate.

Anyway, the girls that come to Monterrey from all over Mexico usually go to whichever category of strip clubs they are appropriate to, high end, medium, or low end, based not just necessarily on their physical appearance, although that does seem to correlate to some degree, but also on their ability to talk to customers, to charm customers for drinks, and according to their skill level at delivering the goods in the privados.

So, most of the lookers are working in the many, many, huge multitude of strip clubs. If they are lookers you will not typically find them in the massage parlors, on the streets, in the hotel doorways, etc...The ones that have lesser personalities will typically work in the lower end bars, such as El Infinito, El Cielo, Matehuala, etc...the three of which are actually categorized in my mind as the high end, low end bars...believe me there are a lot more low end bars in Monterrey that make those three bars look like they are Shangrala.

Then, the girls will gravatate toward the medium and high end bars depending on their skill levels selling drinks. I really don't know what distinguishes the medium end bars, Harem, Pasarelas, TVO, Azul Tequila, Casino, Bahamas, etc...from the high end bars, Prestige, Obsession, Amnesia, Poission, etc...in the minds of the girls with respect to earning potential.

I guess the girls figure that the guys in the high end bars are high rollers, austensibly parting with their money more freely than in the medium level bars. But, from their prospective, in making a decision between whether to work in the high end bars or the medium level bars, I don't really know if there is really much of a difference between them from the sole perspective of their own perceived earning potential.

So, all that having been said about the strip clubs...your best lookers will be found first in the strip clubs, with graduated levels of quality all the way down to what you find standing on the street corner on Colon, and in the room girls on Reforma. The massage parlor girls are somewhere in between, but on the decidely medium/lower end of the spectrum.

So, if you frequent the massage parlors, you will typically find the girls to be older, fatter, and uglier than the strip clubs girls...The only exception to this might be on a rare occassion you might find a doable flaca, younger girl, that is willing to work the massage parlors because she had kids or family responsibilites and can not work afternoons or nights. So, she chooses to work days in the massage parlors where she is more easily available to work. Other than that, you will not find thin, attractive, young girls in most of the massage parlors. And, most of the massage parlors keep relatively early hours only. Most are not open past 9-10pm.

There is an exception to some of these conclusions however. If you frequent the expensive massage parlors, ones that will run you a minimum of between 600-800 pesos per session, usually for only 30-45 minutes at a time, then some of these conclusions do not apply. And, of course, there are always exceptions that are attributable to quality of personality or skill level. There are some relatively unattractive types walking around the high end strip clubs for example, not many, but some. Some of them have been there for years. They can not survive were they not able to make money on drinks, and/or deliver the goods with a skill level that far surpasses the average HOT stripper.

Plus, there are even other factors as to why a girl chooses to work here or there, factors that some may not have considered. I know of a particular girl that has a great personality, an absolute pro at soliciting drinks, but she will not work in certain clubs that may actually be more lucrative for her. Want to know why??? You won't believe it, but it's true, not only of her, but according to her, also true of many other bar girls she knows.

She has been a professional stripper for at least 5 years, and she chooses to work in a relatively low key club for less opportunity to make money because the club is not well lighted, and she can dance in the relative obscurity of the darkness on stage without feeling too embarrassed. She has a HOT body, a pretty face, and she's a very, very attactive flaca morena, but she is too embarrassed to dance in clubs that have more lighting.

I saw her once in the Casino Men's Club. She was considering working there. She was there with a few friends and she was deciding whether she might want to change clubs, just checking the place out, talking to management, perhaps deciding to dance on stage for a test run, etc...

We were sitting in the booth talking, and it was her turn to dance. She was growing increasingly nervous as her position in the dance que grew closer and closer in time. Then, abruptly when her time was up, she decided that she did not like the club, and she told me she had decided not to work there. She later told me that she did not like lighting on stage at Casino, too much of it. The Casino Mens Club has a lot of lighting on stage, a lot of patrons in the bar gawking at the girls on stage. The bar she works in now, the Extasis, doesn't have nearly the numbers of patrons in it, not even on a Friday night, and the stage is very, very, dimly lit. She makes considerable less dinero than she could probably make working at Casino, but she chooses to make considerably less money due to her own embarrassment factor.

So, all these factors enter into the selection available in Monterrey. I sometimes wonder if selection of street girls, massage parlor girls, and even street girls, etc...might not even be better in other cities in Mexico because the best looking, best personalities are all working in the strip clubs of Monterrey, and not typically on the streets, in the massage parlors, or the doors of hotels.

I don't mean to imply that selection is typically better in the smaller cities compared to Monterrey as a whole, but I am starting to wonder if quality of selection in the lower end venues such as street girls, massage girls, and door girls might not be better per capita than what one might find in the same venues of Monterrey...simply because the best graduation of quality of selection is already working in the strip clubs and not those other lower end venues. And, of course, with this potential, I am also assuming that relative lower cost in the smaller cities might also make the comparative selection in the smaller cities seem superior in those lower end venues to what is avaiable in those same lower end venues in Monterrey.

[MonterreyDude]

I hope no one was visiting Monterrey these past few days cause we are celebrating Mother's Day, and unlike in the USA we celebrate it on the previous and on the 10th, not on a Sunday as they do in the USA.
Perhaps those visiting us may have noticed a lot of movement on the 9th, at Reforma St, Cuahutemoc and Pino Suarez.
We had lots of movement after 8:15 pm cause there was a major soccer game... one of the local teams lost the first of 2 games, so the locals leaving the game at that time and coming from the North (Cuahutemoc to the North leads to the stadium) might have seem angry... logicly angry.
Also the night of the 9th is the start of Mother's Day celebration, so the city just plain turns out to celebrate mom.
Ergo, clubs, MPs, strip clubs, Barrio Antiguo are just plain slow or dead.
Not to mention today, the 10th, when 90% of the regular businesses close after midday just to be with our moms.
More than half of the working girl manifest of the clubs ans businesses stay at home, cause they themselves are mothers, so they just take it easy on the 10th.
Maybe that's why the city is slow...
Pretty bad days to come here.

[Member #3453]

Listen, I can count on "less than" one hand the number of massage places that are worth a shit in Monterrey, especially ones that are only 100-200 pesos. Really, do NOT waste your time. YOU ARE WASTING YOUR TIME..."Time is Money."

The street walker action is a dead end...They are ALL skanks. There is, for all intents and purposes, no street walker action in Monterrey, certainly none I would touch with a ten foot pole.

As for the door girls on Reforma, there are maybe (2) out of all that stand in the alleys (not really that many to choose from anyway) that have even remotely interested me. They are mostly the bottom of the barrel in comparison to what is available, and they too are much more likely to be diseased.

DO NOT WASTE TIME...

Monterrey is a town that must be "Worked." It is not an easy town to monger in. It requires time to get to know the girls, and it requires money. But, money spent, once you learn where to look, and once you have established yourself in the clubs, is usually pretty cost effective.

It is absolutely probably the best city in the entire World for Strip Clubs. If you like sitting in strip clubs, talking to the girls, drinking with them, groping them in the privados, having them grind on your lap as you drink with them, etc...it is literally the best I have ever found in the entire world, comparing it even to places like Costa Rica, Asia, Colombia, etc...But, it is NOT an easy or inexpensive town to actually monger in.

I suspect that in other parts of Mexico, the girls are much more desperate for money than in Monterrey, or in the border towns, hence they are probably cheaper and probably, some of them, more willing to spend longer periods of time with you actually mongering. In other Central American cities, the cost to monger is probably really cheap compared to Monterrey. So, it is like comparing apples and oranges.

Biggest problem is...you have to spend more than just a few days in Monterrey in order to really get the full measure of enjoyment out of it. It requires at least a full week, or even better, a regular regimen of visiting often, 4-5 days at a time, to establish yourself in the strip clubs. The strip clubs are where the girls of "quality" are...But, they are not cheap, certainly not 100 pesos. Be prepared to pay 1300-1700 pesos for 2 hours at your hotel. But, they are clean, healthy, some of them charming, and a small percentage of them GFE, and an even smaller percentage of them are actually looking for sugar daddy boyfriends for regular fun and games. The bar girls that are sincerely looking for that scenario are few and far between, but they DO exist.

The problem is a matter of supply and demand. There are so many more clients in the bars, that the girls don't have to try that hard, so they are lazy. You have to distinguish yourself with the girls...make them notice you over time in order to get anywhere near what I would term a reasonably priced, GFE kind of session. You can cut that 1300-1700 pesos fee down to 500 pesos a session, and increase your time with them to between 4 hours up to todo la noche. But, it takes a tremendous amount of experience to do it, and time, and money over time.

My advise, stop wasting time...hit the high end strip clubs, the medium end strip clubs, the low end strip clubs, and just hang out. SLOW DOWN...Slow down long enough to enjoy the ride, and more importantly, to sense the potential, and learn the ropes. Some are simply too impatient to invest the effort, so they fail to see the forest for the trees.

Funny...It occurs to me that Carlos has been telling me the same thing every time I start bitching about Monterrey. See Carlos, maybe it's starting to sink in.

[Member #3453]

I have observed that a recent "Notorious" visitor to Monterrey, one that has his own section on the board, restricts himself to only visiting the massage parlors, reports that they are shit, and is hung up an looking for streetwalkers around the downtown bus station.

WTF is the problem. He concentrates all of his effort on the lowest of the low in Monterrey. Hell, if you restrict yourself to only spending 100 pesos for BJs or FS, then what can you expect. I can get the same service for about $20US in my home town from the crack *****s in our own US ghettos, but I would never contemplate that kind of experience just because it is cheap.

I know I may be critical of the Monterrey scene, but we all know I am a perfectionista for GFE to the "inth" degree. So, my comments are based upon my own "continous improvement criteria." I am not nearly as down on Monterrey as my more recent commentary might suggest, certainly not to the extent of the notorious poster to whom I refer.

For the life of me, I can not figure out how a guy can visit Monterrey, spend the money to travel, the cost of hotels, etc...then, to avoid the low end clubs we have recommended, and to refer to the patrons in them as "Rancheros." I have never, in five years, scene more than a handful of really unruly individuals in these clubs. I have only witnessed the bouncers remove a handful of individuals who were causing problems...and that is over five years of visiting these same clubs. Where does he get this description that the clubs are full of "Rancheros?"

I respectfully submit that the reporting correspondent's commentary with respect to the quality of experience that can be had in Monterrey is totally and completely off the mark. I don't recognize any of the club names he reports on as being worthy of my visiting them. I have heard the names he reports on, certainly, but they are not clubs I would frequent. Why is he only naming clubs that are not part of the main stream Monterrey experience in his reports?

It is hard to imagine that this same individual has experience traveling all over Mexico, and compares the delights of Monterrey as though they were the bottom of the barrel. I submit that this individual is lost...He could have had an absolute blast in Monterrey. Oh well...to each his own.

[Member #3453]

Hey,

WTF is the Mini-Infinito??? Are you referring to the new Givenchy?

I did bar fine a new girl from the Givenchy last time...kind of an "Angry Girl" type. I will call her "Imposter Girl." Probably a better body than Angry Girl, but not as disingenuously sweet as Angry Girl used to be to me. So, she will require work on her GFE personality.

I am totally out of it...I don't know what you guys are referring to when you talk of the Mini-Infinito.

And, Carlos, if it is not "Imposter Girl, then please remind me whom she is...I am losing my memory in my old age. I forgot whom I might have beat you to.

Are you referring to my flaca girl at the Tangalay, my new girl?

Help!!! I am drifting out of consciousness...

I have a girl at the Mini-Infinito!!!!

NUTS!!!!! to late!!!
USB got to her!!!!!!!!

[MonterreyDude]

I have a girl at the Mini-Infinito!!!!

NUTS!!!!! to late!!!
USB got to her!!!!!!!!

Hola... you Horney perverts :-)

Did I miss anything? Or did anyone miss me? How is the new mini-Infi working out?

Wasted

[Member #3453]

I missed you mucho!!!

But, the board is dead as a doornail...we are letting it die a slow and agonizing death. No commentary...nothing...no entertainment...nada.

Are you going to go to MTY in June as tentatively planned? If so, give me the dates. I have to start laying the ground work.

Hola... you Horney perverts :-)

Did I miss anything? Or did anyone miss me? How is the new mini-Infi working out?

Wasted

[El Cabron 007]

Hola... you Horney perverts :-)

Did I miss anything? Or did anyone miss me? How is the new mini-Infi working out?

Wasted

[Member #3453]

Porker and Carlos,

I don't take offense to advise offered in the proper spirit, and I know you guys offer advise with sincerity.

Porker, glad to see you are paying attention. :-)

I agree with you Porker. Carlos has said the same thing. I need to stop being so lazy. You guys are absolutely right. I just need to be cool. I need to cut the girls some slack...What is happening to me???

I find that I'm just running out of patience. I can see where I've become too demanding, impatient, etc...I think I am simply frustrated by all the effort I make, money spent to place myself in a position to physically be there, time allocated to be there, then only to be disappointed sometimes when things do not go prefectly my way. I am a perfectionist in some respects, and now, apparently, a mongering perfectionista as well.

The problem is, if I analyse it from a purely financial point of view, which is the wrong way to evaluate it entirely, then I am NOT seemingly getting much in return. Perhaps I am having second thoughts about "ROI."

So, I have to decide if the expenditures are worth the return on investment. Here is the deal...

Airfare = $328 RT
Buses = $36 RT
Airport Taxi = $60RT
Hotel = $310
In-Club Entertainment, Salidas, Drinks, Mexico Taxis = $600-$800
Meals = $150
Total = $1,684

Plus Carlos' Commissions = $600-$800US :-))))))))))))))))))))))))))) (NOT!!!)

So, that's $280 per day, less Carlos' Commissions. Now, in my part of the country, I can find the same kind of entertainment for around $150-$200 an hour or less. Plus, frankly, I suspect it would be less with a regular girl. And, the amount of time spent traveling to Monterrey takes me about 10 hours each way.

That is a hell of a lot of effort made when one has to hang onto hope that he will have a significantly better experience than if he just spent the $200 an hour locally.

Don't worry, provided the money holds out, I will always be back to Monterrey. I'm not as disenchanted as my rantings suggest. You all know me, I am overly dramatic...overly emotional.

But, I agree with you guys that I am going to have to get some new found patience or I might as well stay home. But, I have to admit, were that to be the case in the future, I would dearly miss fraternizing with my amigos in the clubs in addition to not being able to see my "ANGEL" girl and other candidates.

So, to soley make judgements on the overall experience relative to expenditures doesn't fairly evaluate the amount of relaxation that I also get from a week in Monterrey, the comradere (sp) with my amigos/amigas, the relatively frequent GFE. I should be looking at it more as a vacation with benefits, rather than a chore to be accomplished, verdad?

USB, don't mean to criticize, but perhaps you're suffering from unrealistic expectations? What exactly do you expect from a 5-10 minute interaction with a girl before paying a salida for her? If you expect ANYTHING BUT a detached, go-through-the motions session, you're a bit delusional. As you probably know better than me, repeat business can improve things, as can extended time spent with a girl before you take her out. But when you become a lazy monger and combine that with increasing reluctanct to spend money on things like drinks and privados, not sure what you're expecting from your prostitute in the attitude department.

[MonterreyDude]

The Incredible Porker... alive and well.
I've been telling exactly that to the USB, but he just doesn't want to hear.
I'll use a bat next time and hammer it in.... or maybe electro shock will do the job

USB, don't mean to criticize, but perhaps you're suffering from unrealistic expectations? What exactly do you expect from a 5-10 minute interaction with a girl before paying a salida for her? If you expect ANYTHING BUT a detached, go-through-the motions session, you're a bit delusional. As you probably know better than me, repeat business can improve things, as can extended time spent with a girl before you take her out. But when you become a lazy monger and combine that with increasing reluctanct to spend money on things like drinks and privados, not sure what you're expecting from your prostitute in the attitude department.

[Porker]

USB, don't mean to criticize, but perhaps you're suffering from unrealistic expectations? What exactly do you expect from a 5-10 minute interaction with a girl before paying a salida for her? If you expect ANYTHING BUT a detached, go-through-the motions session, you're a bit delusional. As you probably know better than me, repeat business can improve things, as can extended time spent with a girl before you take her out. But when you become a lazy monger and combine that with increasing reluctanct to spend money on things like drinks and privados, not sure what you're expecting from your prostitute in the attitude department.