Ho Chi Minh City - General Info

[Gangles]

I have seen the term Xe Om.

I think the word xe has to do with a vehicle.

What is a xe om?

Thanks in anticipation.

[Gangles]

Dragonfly and Ngu Ngon, thanks for the info.

I remember when I lived in a smaller city in the south seeing such a place close to where I lived. There were about 6 or 7 good looking women hanging round the place, but there were very few customers. One evening I went in to see what was happening. There were two men lying back in barbers chairs, with a bunch of women for each, talking and laughing. No hair dressing implements.

I could not speak any Vietnamese, and they could not speak any English, so I could not carry it further. Now I know.

Can you tell me how Bia Om works? what happens?

Thanks in anticipation

[Ngu Ngon]

Strangely they often seem to have potted plants outside too... exceptions both ways of course.

In Hanoi look for the words "thu gian" (=unwind/relax) - but I've rarely seen this in the south.

[Dragonfly22]

Gangles,

I think your referring to the barbershops. There are two different types. The legitimate and the ones that offer more. Legitimate have all the usual accompanying things for doing hair and shaving. The others have the bare minimum with more going on in the back room than the front. If there are customers out in front getting haircuts and manicures chances are it's a legitimate barbershop. Look for ones with lil cuties sitting around giving you the big eyes and smiles and I think you have found the real McCoy. All it takes is a few little questions, like "do you do massage?" and you'll find out quick if you're on to the FS or at least a BJ Hoc Toc.

[Gangles]

Gentlemen, some help please. I will be in Vietnam for a couple of weeks in a couple of months.

So I have been reading the posts for the past year or more.

The terms Hot Toc and Cat Toc have been used several times, but I can't figure what they mean.

What is Hot Toc and Cat Toc, and how do they work?

What happens?

What do I do?

What does it cost?

Thanks in anticipation.

[Wendella]

No need to read, I can just remember it. ;-) Not my proudest moment. OK, momentS. At least you got your own 'room' up there. I know, just a divider between you and the next set of guests, but not usually more than one set of guests up there at a time, which is different than 29 -- the night I was there, there was a queue to get in.

[OzzieSuds]

A bit on the seedy side for my tastes, but it's there for whoever wants it.

If you reckon that's seedy check out the old old posts about the upstairs area in the old U2 where you could check who came into the bar through the cracks in the floor.

[Poppasan]

I paid $29. It has a buffet breakfast and has free wifi. The staff are young cute girls. I see girls going in and out of there all day. Lots of business men stay there. I had no problem bringing girls in just when I tried to get 3 girls into the room. They allowed two..haha..





[QUOTE=Sudsoz]I see the Ho Sen is linked to the Ngoc Minh on Dong Do. Ngoc Minh has told me $28 for a front room with a view but Ho Sen (from their web site) seems to be a little more expensive. Poppasan - what did you pay for what sort of room?

[Wendella]

Your impression would be correct. I had a front row seat my first night up there, and I think it was the Indian navy in town that night. Maybe Pakistani or Sri Lankan, but somewhere in South Asia. Anyway, it was one after another going in there, 2 pairs at a time, and at least one couple were full on, which the girl I was with giggled and said it's boom boom. And that's definitely what it looked like from where I was sitting. Either that or they put a mechanical bull in there for her to ride. There was another couple in the room at the time, by the way. And that's a pretty small room. A bit on the seedy side for my tastes, but it's there for whoever wants it.

I might've misread Suds' earlier post and thought he said something about Dong Du and Mac Thi Buoi intersecting. I think he has a pretty good memory for someone not in HCMC anymore, and I think even a tourist could figure out that Dong Du and Dong Do are the same thing, regardless of which one's correct. I just worried he meant Dong Khoi, which intersects MTB. Well, now we know exactly where the place is.

[OzzieSuds]

breedluv - i try to avoid being specific for a couple of reasons.

one is that the authorities might take a closer interest in a place if specific names and services are set out in detail.

the other is purely selfish in that i keep some good things for myself. for instance i mention hotels in an area but i have the establishments that i use quite happily and i don't want to see them overloaded.

currently i am seeing reports in this place and elsewhere about some hotels in the $40-$50 bracket that say they are gf but i wonder whether those writers definition of gf is the same as mine.

i have not used the upstairs recreation area in bar29 - only the couches. my impression is that anything could happen in that little lovenest.

your comments about [CodeWord901]'s in bkk are spot on. i believe the place has been renovated and that there are now some more private rooms. have you tried the ''no-hands'' restaurants there? there were some reports a year or so ago about something similar in saigon.

[Breedluv]

just got back. have alot of experience bkk/all over asia &and some europe/us. i was gagging to try vietnam. (even with wife in tow 7 of 9 days, still managed 11 women. and i gotta say, i fucking love saigon. viet women seriously under rated in my view. there is something in their dna (like their thai cousins + stonger) that seems to make them born very very capable in the bj department. and small, so tight, so sweet and such adventurous fast learners! have had anal maybe with 6 women in my life. ok but one of those things better in fantacy than reality in my expereince. one absolute fucking machine of a girl. absolutley tiny. pedaphile territory. and. amazing! daty going swimmingly and little finger just zooms up the bum. i couldn't believe it. had the most beautiful 5 full mintes up there i can remember. high water mark. will post a ful report soon

back to your question. majestic will be all over you. had a good close chat with the concierge about it all. all 5 and $ and most 3 star like that. i did a pretty thorough inventory of everything within 1k of ground zero (bottom dk) maybe not comprehensive buy maybe 50%. most up market place that is girl friendly that i could find is hotel sao. top end thi sich

no worries though if at majestic. because u2 is now right next door. now called #29 cafe bar. how convenient. <cue wicked laugh c. this is what i love about saigon. you'the never know what was lurking inside.

it's areally a wonderfully rewarding 'intermediate" difficulty level place with absolutely best in world rewards forn those with alittle savy, cauytion and bravery. nothing like as hard as korea, china or fucking japan. can't get close to bkk of course but oh. so worth while. so discreet.

i gotta say, right now i'the rank saigon # 2 to bkk. best overall sex experience to be had. so, back to #29. still a distant second to the thrill of your first bkk bjb experience at [CodeWord900]. nothing beats your school girl pulling the shower curtain around you, then looking at you with a look that says "i'm about to be a very naughty girl. don't tell on me" then puts her fingers to her lips. no. not quite that but awfully good just the same. now they have a custom blow job room 2nd floor now. no more pillows and (in my case) mixed feelings about others watching you! small bar in front of entrance to your bj retreat. bar lady stands gard. bob's your uncle paid us $40. please. let's not have another thread on 'mines bigger than yours. negotiating prowess. i know prices. and bullshit wsg information also when i see it. joe. please don't tell me i could have got her for $7. thanks

sudoz. question 2. massage at the majestic stricly non sexual, sad to say. and trust me, i did my very best. phone number for later discussion always possible for those with tip top charm/looks/or signs of dumb money. actually. in my book one of the best most interesting legit massages i've had. anywhere. us $26 60 mins. they use a whole mix up of thechniques, some swedish, some thai, etc + massage you with hot volcanic stones. enjoyed it more that apothecary or spa tropic. all the signs for absolutely no chance for happy endings. and they are all correct. have the massage and pop next door.

you are correct on your position on fs round dk. yawara is the place although experience may vary based on the girl. 6-8's. absolutely excellent hj. negotiated up to fs for $70 in the end. i know. no need to tell me.

fs at massage places always a mistake in my experience. go for what they do best. the hj. and go to sacha not yawara. tried three times and each time a truely exceptional. world class hj. and upper quartile quality bj.

my tip. forget this stuff about waiting until she's got you hard. i've learned to fake indiference when i want to counter what is normally poor timing on your negotiation batana (leverage). no it's not negotiating position. it's the time and quality of what you get. agree hj and price early and agree "1hour hand job" make clear she begins straight away and be clear what you want covered in a hj.

unbelievable all three times a sacha. 45 minutes of absolute heaven/torment in the hands of these girls. the 2nd one who i paid $20 extra to have her mouth join the spectacular work of the hands was just amazing. she showed me something i didn't realise. (and i've had too many hj's across too many countries to really own up to why i've got a good comparative frame of reference). co-ordinate the rythem of both hands and mouth and it really hits the spot. she drenched me in oil (only way to go) and had perfect rythem doing up and down rimming (hand 1) world class hand action with balls kept in the hunt with a lovely sweeping action every third stroke. and. the key element. as we all know, hand and mouth working in co-ordingation. with the hand really adding friction to the knob every few minutes.

let me tell you. 10 minutes into this and knowing you have 40 or more to go is as close to heaven as i've been.

don't give away amazing secrets ike this one too often. will swap which girl for something equally good. from a senior vietnam member.

i'm going to be back alot. want to test out the very best.

sudoz. trade you some really good bits? like your posts man. made me feel guilty that i've been taking not giving. used to cvontribute alot late 90's under bushtucker man name.

the mp promoted by the pretty girls in aoi dai on dong khoi are all crap as you discovered. the girls are very pretty and i have the number of one who says she will come out with me next time i am in town.

normal price for massage is vnd100, 000 and tips for extras up to 500, 000 depending on service.

the only massage place i have found where fs is possible is on dong do about 50 yards from mtb in a little alleyway. if you hang outside about 11 am you can check the gals as they come to work.

be interested in what you learn about the majestic. is it gf (there is only one way to really find out) and what about the massage joint?

[Saigon Daze]

"The spelling of Dong Du and Dong Do seems to interchange as the latter is the way it is said by the locals".

It's spelled Dong Du on the street signs and pronounce Dong You by the locals.

[Shearer68]

Guys the street you are talking about is indeed Dong Du, the massage in the alley I believe is Sa Chi [opposite sports bar is called Cafe Latin, which thankfully is still open and quite good for a beer and it has some nice girls non pro working there, the upstairs has recently been renovated]. Sorry guys can't give much other info as I now have to be a very good boy in HCM. Excellent contributions by Sudoz and Wendela tho, vistors should take notice of them.

[OzzieSuds]

Finally, Sudsoz, I'm not sure what alley you're trying to describe but I'm wondering if you got a couple of names confused. There is a Dong DU street (not Dong Do) that is parallel to Mac Thi Buoi, the next street up -- they don't intersect. Then there is Dong KHOI which does intersect both, it's parallel to Hai Ba Trung, the next one over from HBT -- it's the one that is in front of the Opera House, and also that has Bar 29 and Majestic Hotel.

The spelling of Dong Du and Dong Do seems to interchange as the latter is the way it is said by the locals. The street with the Sheraton. The alley is nearly opposite the Club Italia bar with all the sports on TV.

[Notidik]

This morning I went to Ban Tanh market and after leaving I walked along one of the side streets and came across this saloon/barber shop (pink colour frontage) and went in in context of getting a hair wash. Suddenly 3 girls stood up and tend to me, one massaging my shoulders and the other my hands. Wow, they have really sweet and short uniforms showing those nice mostly long legs. I asked for price quote and it was VND 70,000 for wash including massage. Not really understanding what was really offered I nodded yes, yes and yes. Spent almost 20 minutes at the wash bowl washing my hair then she asked me to proceed upstairs. I was really hoping I could get some specials of this sweet girl of mine (name Quin, I believe) but in the room, there was a whole bunch of men lying down on beds aside each other. That means no, no but anyway was really happy with the meticulous details this girl does. While massaging my hand she placed it on top of her thigh and I could easily insert into her so short skirts, so tempting. I easily spent 1 and half hours there with whole body massage and mind you, it was all VND 100,000 and I gave her tips of another VND 100,000.

Following Joe Bob’s suggestion. In half hour later I was in Saigon Hotel, actually there are two MP opposite Sheraton. In I went and at the counter, the sign reads package massage at USD 10 (one hour) and so I argued that my friend told me it was USD 7, the counter lady said no but heck only a small difference so I paid. Disappointment at the room as they have see through glass windows on all room doors. I saw a cute looking ML next door and I asked for her. In no time she was in my room. Talk a bit with a little English. Everything normal till I was asked to turn over. She seems to be always touching my sensitive areas so I knew there was extra. With those purposed touching my little bro sprang into action and I asked her to proceed with the extra service. While one hand was on my little bro, she said USD 50 and I said no way. She continued wanking and I said the max I would pay is USD 20 which I know is already high according to Joe Bob and again I said I was asked to come here for a special price. She was cleverly continuing and without hesitant and I believe it was my little bro thinking I agreed to USD 25. I really cant believe I agreed to this price, damn I am sorry if I spoilt the market prices but please understand the situation I was being out through………her name is Chen number 25 and I forgot to mentioned we did all these with the chances of someone looking through the glass panel. This time my stupidity got the better of me, so sad!

Walking back to my hotel which was only 3 minutes walk back, at least 3 pimps tried to sell their services to me. I wondered where they were last 3 days. One of them told me that Majestic allows girls to enter the hotel before 9 pm.

And ah, 2 lady boys on a motorcycle tried to pick me up. I frantically kept waving to them to go away till onlookers looked at me…………

If my body can take it and the mood of stupidity changes, I would be heading to either Apocolypse or Palace hotel.