Manila

[Park I]

Conways Bar at Shangrila Makati

Makati Shangrila, conways bar, 2nd floor, open mon to sat, supposed to be 5star hotel live music venue, 3 nights I went there it was rammed full of locals old and young, sat having dinner dancing, young wgs at the bar, and basically full, loads and loads of talent from 2-5 and even 6-7/5 and a v occassional 8/9

They talk to you or you to them with no shame etc, its a bizarre mix but seems to be girls at the bar are for rent, others not so

Took a few of them in pairs etc over a few days. Kobe bryant was there at the same time, but he was chillin wid are kelly (or as anyone from uk remembers cilla black.

R Graham!

[Finrod]

Sorry to hear that Baywalk is closing down. That was one of my favorite places to take a date. I feel bad for all the bands and workers there: where can they go?

[Columpuss]

The Philippines government is very good at shutting down opportunities for any economic advancement eventhough this is of a smaller scale. The baywalk scene is the only entertainment outside of LA cafe that I want to enjoy when ever I am there. I guess they want their tourists to be closer to the sewer odor and the homeless of Ermita.
I guess they want to advertise how incompetent they are as a nation to dig themselves out of an economic black hole. Their ASEAN partners see manufacturing and tourism as economic platforms while they count on their cherry girls and Saudi base maids to pull their wagon.

[Robbaf]

How cum no-one has mentioned the reported closing of La Cafe? Supposedly, Lim has been re-elected to Mayor of Metro Manila, and has ordered closed all bars frequented by pros. I first saw this mentioned in May. Has anyone been there recently?

Maybe he is too busy shutting down the baywalk. So sad, awesome place to go at night and listen to music.

Robb

[Buko Max]

How cum no-one has mentioned the reported closing of La Cafe? Supposedly, Lim has been re-elected to Mayor of Metro Manila, and has ordered closed all bars frequented by pros. I first saw this mentioned in May. Has anyone been there recently?

Thats because it is still going strong. You would think there was a pay out to the coffers of the good Mayor.

[Jambo]

How cum no-one has mentioned the reported closing of La Cafe? Supposedly, Lim has been re-elected to Mayor of Metro Manila, and has ordered closed all bars frequented by pros. I first saw this mentioned in May. Has anyone been there recently?

[X Man]

Ah, but I did answer your question. And this thread has continued in the Chat section which is where it should have been posted in the first place.

Actually, I'm not a "nice guy" at all. But I'll still let you buy me a beer -- just don't sit next to me when I drink it.

X Man

BTW, there is a "quote" button in the bottom right hand of your window.

..but I asked a simple question and it seemed like you jumped down my throat first then provided a response as if that made it all better. Either way, thank you for your response in the first place, I'm sure your a nice guy. Hey, if I'll even buy the first beer if we ever meet.

[Mofo Monger]

"Wow, some people still call it "lonely hearts"? Well, your question belongs on "chat rooms and pen pals".

You don't say what site, so thanks? Love it when people give the least possible info and then expect someone to answer their questions..."

Frankly I don't need answers if there is some sort of rudeness attached to them. If I misread your intentions then I am sorry...but I asked a simple question and it seemed like you jumped down my throat first then provided a response as if that made it all better. Either way, thank you for your response in the first place, I'm sure your a nice guy. Hey, if I'll even buy the first beer if we ever meet.

[X Man]

ISG forbids posting links to OTHER adult sites. If you rtff, you'll see that non-sex related chat sites are often mentioned - the most common being CherryBlossom, Filipina Heart and EuroPhil (or Euro whatever). These are not "adult" sites per se and therefore are no in direct competition with ISG for advertising dollars. So, if you REALLY want to be considerat, give us a review of the chat site you've been using.

What other information do we need? Duh? I use Cherry Blossom (see my answer number 5), so I don't know the specifics of the other sites. It would be best if someone using the same site as you answer your question....

I gave you five possible answers to your question. (Notice Mr. Consierate didn't say thanks).

Hell will likely freeze over before I answer another question from you...

Have a good day.

X Man

"You don't say what site, so thanks? Love it when people give the least possible info and then expect someone to answer their questions..."

I don't specifically mention the site as I thought the board rules forbids against posting other websites in the posts. Was being considerate....

What other info do you need.

My question was pretty straight forward...why do some women constantly ask for you to join them in YM, when you are already talking to them on whatever site you are currently on.

[Mofo Monger]

"You don't say what site, so thanks? Love it when people give the least possible info and then expect someone to answer their questions..."

I don't specifically mention the site as I thought the board rules forbids against posting other websites in the posts. Was being considerate....

What other info do you need.

My question was pretty straight forward...why do some women constantly ask for you to join them in YM, when you are already talking to them on whatever site you are currently on.

[X Man]

Wow, some people still call it "lonely hearts"? Well, your question belongs on "chat rooms and pen pals".

You don't say what site, so thanks? Love it when people give the least possible info and then expect someone to answer their questions...

Maybe...
1) Ym is more permanent than the pay for sites. Usually the messenger ID is also a yahoo email address.
2) she has other friends on the pay for site, ym allows her to be invisible.
3) cam is more stable on the ym site.
4) She's already chatting on the ym site and moving you there is easier than bouncing back to a different web site with a different format.
5) the pay for site has strict rules....is quick to ban ladies who break the rules. This is expecially true with Cherry blossom.
6) etc...

Okay, I have to ask: I was on one of those Filipina lonely hearts website. You know the ones.

Anyways, I would get Instant Messenger all the time, but it seems like most wanted me to Yahoo Messenger them. Why?

Do they get a fee or something.

Anyone care to explain?

[Luvulooongtime]

I have not been on Yahoo Messenger in about 5 months, but it is quicker and more reliable. Also you have live cams for those special moments; ). LOL. I donot think they get a fee. You can also leave messages that they get as soon as they log on. Luvuloongtime

P.S. I have several offers to take clothes off for me for $$$$ on YM, not my style. I am old fashioned. I like to live action! Not a computer screen.

[Mofo Monger]

Okay, I have to ask: I was on one of those Filipina lonely hearts website. You know the ones.

Anyways, I would get Instant Messenger all the time, but it seems like most wanted me to Yahoo Messenger them. Why?

Do they get a fee or something.

Anyone care to explain?

[Luvulooongtime]

I am an american born meztiso Filipino who has visited the PI many times with perhaps 3 months experience in country. I donot speak tagalog and am thoroughly culturally American.

I have had several run ins with local pinoys that may help others avoid problems. When I was in the province I had a rock thrown at me by a young pinoy, although I do not believe he was trying hit me because he missed by twenty feet. He was apparently jeolous that the local girls at the cafe were going ga-ga over me. I am meztiso and light skinned, which is deemed guapo; . I simply smiled and ignored it and kept on flirting. And left the cafe when I was done with my beer. I am sure if I would have responded there woulld have been a problem. I believe I could have whupped him (I am 6 foot and solidly built with modest knowledge boxing/Filipino escrima/kali, but fighting to me is stupid and dangerous) Maybe he would have whupped my ass, who knows; ). But remember, you beat one others will come and in the end you will lose. So never respond to or escalate provocations, just remain cool and leave.

When in Puerta Galera one of a half a dozen young toughs faked a round house kick at me as I walked down the street with my nephews. I did not flinch but simply looked at him with a look of disdain mixed with pity, then I smiled. At no point did I show fear or anger. His buddies laughed at him. My nephews were with me were relieved. They informed me that if we fight, we have to fight everyone in the neighborhood. I spent three days there in PG and saw the young toughs often afterwards and had no problems. So IMHO, be polite, donot show fear or anger, smile and you should be okay. But donot ever embarass, argue, stare down a local because in the end you will lose the fight. Besides we are there to fuck not fight; )

Finally, despite these minor problems, I feel the PI is safe and fun if you are not dumb.

LuvuLoongtime.

[Spider916]

I cannot comment on philippino guys in AC or the general security situation there, since I hate the place and never go there but in MNL I had a great time with some guys that I met trough work but also with guys that I met in the philipino bars/KTVs on Roxas or in QC. I am talking about uperclass establisments like East Asia etc.

Since an evening a such a place can easily costs 10.000P and more,these guys tend to be well educated and usually very friendly and open towards foreigners. Some might not like Yanks because of the political/historical context, but to an European like me most were either just polite and minding their business or very open and friendly and even offered some rounds of booze. I paid my rounds too of course, but fewer than I got from them.

Since westerners and Filipinos are usually not into the same kind of girls, there is little risk of getting into an argument about a girl with them, instead we had a good laugh about our differences in taste (LBFMs vs fair skinned and tall)

Of course I would not hang around with trike drivers etc at night.

So, yes the PI are more dangerous than most places in Asia but the Philippino people in general are one of the friendliest people I met so far. If you take reasonable precautions like having the mamasan call a taxi for you and not carrying lots of money or flashy jewelery you should be fine even quite drunk. Walking from Burgos to the nearby City Garden hotel has never been a problem.

Have fun



2- Dealing with Filipino men

I would like to offer my own suggestions and opinions on what I have gathered over the years being here in the P.I. dealing with the males here. My experience ranges from knock down drag out fights a couple of times with them to having 5 of them as employees.

There are distinct social classes here in the P.I. and it ranges from the educated upper class Filipinos with money that has nothing to do with the lower class Philippine Filipinos. They don't mix except maybe at family gathering if they are related and there is still anger and animosity towards those with money and those who don't have even if they are related to each other.
The tourists here on fields’ ave A.C. mostly deal with the low end of the Filipinos male class and when they leave the P.I. they have an extremely negative view of Filipinos in general.
When dealing with the lower class Filipinos it is best not to get involved with them. They are very easily offended at any slight that they may perceive is being directed towards them and will react in violence. This is a macho Hispanic culture for the most part.
Stay away from Filipinos who are drinking and politely refuse and just smile if they offer you a drink. Sooner or later you will be the one who will end up paying the bill and it will be very hard to extricate yourself from this position one you have started it without offending them. Filipinos have been known time and time again to kill close friends and relatives over just one insult during drinking sprees and hundreds of stabbings occur in drinking establishments over stares and misperceived threats or insults.
You may be the biggest man in the world and huge, but you will not win in a fight with 20 Filipinos and you will lose and end up stabbed before it is over.
Keeping away from drunk Filipinos, and not engaging in hardcore staring at them and walking away from insults being hurled at you is not being a pussy in the P.I. it is called being smart and surviving to be able to get the hell out of here alive.
I have seen instances when the foreigner has done nothing whatsoever to warrant a jumping by 5 Filipinos or getting sucker punched at night time and robbed. This is just anger spilling over and being directed towards the foreigner who is perceived to have an edge economically and with Filipinos who want to leave this country and will go with any foreigner to achieve this.
Remember you are here as well as I am, with our dollars and we are fucking their woman night and day, hundreds of times. This has been going on for hundreds of years through the Spanish times and American bases and so on. This tends to build up a hatred and hostile attitude towards foreign males in general.
There are some of you who will say bullshit I fucked their sister or aunt or daughter and they don't care or they are happy that I'm fucking their sister, aunt, daughter or whatever and have never said anything to me about it. In their minds they hate you. You are a source of money for them and that is the only way they would ever tolerate you being with their woman and fucking them. And if you step out of line and hurt one of theirs or don't pay up they will kill you or at least beat your ass or try to find you and pay revenge on you.

A foreigner will never be a close friend to a Filipinos as would another Filipinos to a Filipinos. You are a foreigner period. There are also those on this board who have tricked themselves or are in the delusion that they have close Filipinos male friends. If you go to most expat locations outside of fields like La union, Subic, Baguio, etc. the retirees stay amongst themselves and away from Filipinos for good reason and you should ask them why, I did and I do not want to repeat what they told me because I would be flamed to hell and back. Just too suffice it to say that they do it to stay alive and well in the P.I. and when they need a Filipinos to do some job for them or whatever they have them do it and that is it. It ends there. No trying to be friends or best buddies because they know after years and years of living here the truth and how to relate to them.
Some of you may say, Wait a minute I was invited to party with my girlfriends family and I encounter no hostile attitudes and they were nice to me. Yes of course they would not, that would kill the deal and money flow.
To sum up:
Be friendly and smile to them. Nothing wrong with just shooting the shit and saying hi how are you and so on. Shaking hands goes along way also and buying a beer now and then, but not staying to join is a good idea.
Don't engage in serious eye to eye contact as this is a serious threat to them and means war. Sometimes you may get away with it but sooner or later it will catch up.
If you bump into one while walking best to say you’re sorry and smile and walk away. It’s not the right time to argue and shout as this will escalate the situation and the Filipinos will lose face in front of his country men and will have to get it back by violence and others will help him get it back against you.
Don't hit or shout loudly or call Filipinas sluts and bitches in front of a group of trike drivers or males on the corner. Not a smart thing to do. You should get your ass kicked if you’re doing this anyway.
Don't push or shove people in the street. This is inviting trouble. Keep your hands to yourself. I did this to a vendor once who was a little to aggressive and was surrounded by 20 of them in a New York minute and then I apologized and offered to buy him a beer and it was forgotten and settled. I could have been mister big man and taken on the vendor assoc, but i would have lost.
The fights that I mentioned that I was in earlier in my post was just plain survival and their was only two and it was at night and no other Filipinos were around to help them not get their asses kicked. In that situation I used pepper spray and rocks. I'm in good shape and in my late 20's. I don't know if I would have done it again as one of them could have had a gun. Most males who are of the street class carry something as a weapon, whether a ice pick, knife, homemade gun. You never know.[/color][/QUOTE]