Guadalajara

[Tiny 12]

oldguy,

select, eduardo's and monsieur are within walking distance. of those three, select is the closest, and eduardo's is the best known. i think happy hunting posted some photos from monsieur. [CodeWord123] and high class are a short cab ride away.

[OldGuy]

I'm going to be spending the next two weeks mostly in a hotel in GDL very near the Centro Magno on Avenida Vallarta. Are any of the recommended esteticas nearby?

Thanks--reports to follow

[Strike 69]

excellent report strike, that should be read by anyone thinking about making a trip to gdl just for the mongering or chasing nonpros. although i've met some gems, many of the women are indeed materialistic and superficial. i've driven around town in a tsuru, mercedes, and rent cars and you're right, you get so much attention from women when you're in a nice car, and it's not because you're a gringo. when you meet a tapatia, what comes out of your mouth doesn't make a whole lot of difference, unless she surmises from what you say that you're rich. what's important is your watch, your shoes, your nails, and your clothes.

i have encountered some stunners in the esteticas in years past, but my last two trips to [CodeWord123] didn't turn up anything better than a 7. also, the higher end stripper clubs, like kaos, ramses, golden, can be fun if you don't get turned off by the high pressure sales tactics. you can set up something at a reasonable price for the next day with some of the more ordinary looking women without spending an arm and a leg. i have had sex with stunners from the clubs, but it wasn't cheap. and agreed, not all will do the deed.

thank you tiny 12, you are absolutly right. i remember when i was there some guys told me that they were considering other options for example to "import" girls from russia (or any other former soviet republic) in order to get marry because they were sick of the superficial and materialistic tapatias. some guys eventually just gave up on guadalajaran women because marriage for many of them is only an economic and social arrangement in which they have kids at the horrible cost of having a man around. this type attitude is very common in specially in large cities like guadalajara if you don't have a fancy car, clothes, and tons of money you can forget having a girl there (either pretty or not) but if you are rich no matter how trashy, ugly or uneducated you are because you will have dozens and dozens of girls chasing you and if by mistake you run out of money the girls will dump you like an old shoe.

i remember for example a co worker of mine he was a 45 year old man and his lover was a beautiful 18 year old guadalajaran blonde with the biggest tits i saw in a non pro there, she was with him obviously because he was a considerable wealthy man. i also knew that that girl offered guys money (money coming from his 45 y.o. lover) or allowed the guys to touch and suck her big tities in exchange for doing her college homeworks because she studied in prestigeous private college there and needed to obtain good notes. when i was in guadalajara i didn't like that even though it's a big city the local sex market it's small and don't have many options available in contrast with other large mexican cities like the df (mexico city) or monterrey for example.

the prices that i saw in gdl high end clubs (golden club, the mens) are absolutly outrageous. in high end clubs in monterrey (amnesia,prestige, obsession) prices are cheaper (even though they are expensive by local standards) and the quality and quantity of girls are also so much better. in some low end mp you can find some jewels and have full service for 500 pesos like in the infamous marcella (www.pompis.com.mx) and some mid to low end strip clubs like the one called "el infinito" you can have porn-star looking girls for 300 pesos. and in mexico city you have the largest (and the best) escort market in the country (and the best strip clubs also), so you definitive have more options available.

feel free to ask me about mexico city or monterrey (i'm an expert in massage parlors and escorts there despite i'm not an expert in strip clubs but i can introduce you to some nice fellas in the mty sections who are experts in the strip club area there)

[Tiny 12]

excellent report strike, that should be read by anyone thinking about making a trip to gdl just for the mongering or chasing nonpros. although i've met some gems, many of the women are indeed materialistic and superficial. i've driven around town in a tsuru, mercedes, and rent cars and you're right, you get so much attention from women when you're in a nice car, and it's not because you're a gringo. when you meet a tapatia, what comes out of your mouth doesn't make a whole lot of difference, unless she surmises from what you say that you're rich. what's important is your watch, your shoes, your nails, and your clothes.

i have encountered some stunners in the esteticas in years past, but my last two trips to [CodeWord123] didn't turn up anything better than a 7. also, the higher end stripper clubs, like kaos, ramses, golden, can be fun if you don't get turned off by the high pressure sales tactics. you can set up something at a reasonable price for the next day with some of the more ordinary looking women without spending an arm and a leg. i have had sex with stunners from the clubs, but it wasn't cheap. and agreed, not all will do the deed.

[Hunkrah]

Greetings gentlemen!

I'm coming to GDL for the first time next week and am very interested in finding some good sweet young action. But. I've never been there before, and don't really know the best way to find quality quickly.

I read the mention of Calle 52 with interest, but am not sure where it is, how to get there, or safety.

I arrive on the 7th, and should be at my hotel by 9pm. Any suggestions for where to go, what to do? Plaza Del Sol is right near the hotel. Is it worth it for some nice freelance action?

Insights/suggestions appreciated! Beer is on me if anyhone wants to volunteer to be my tour guide.

[Hunkrah]

Greetings Gentlemen,

Thanks for all of your great posts! I live in Asia, but will be travelling to Guad next week for a conference. I'm arriving at my hotel at aroun 9pm on the 7th.

Would love to tap some sweetness, but quality is a must, and I don't speak much Spanish. Generally, I like freelancers, but also love the gogo bar scene in Asia.

Any suggestions? I like the idea of Calle 52 that Coahuila was talking about, but not sure how to get there and have safety concerns.

Beers on me for a guided tour of the dark side!

[OldGuy]

I'm about to make my first mongering visit to GDL, and, in preparation, I've been doing some work beyond reading this thread. I found the following link:

http://guadalajara.vivastreet.com.mx...ara-y-area-met

which appears to be similar to Craigs List. (Note: it works for all over Mexico, and for a range of products and services, but the link I've posted is specifically for erotic ads for GDL). There SEEM to be a lot of independent girls advertising on the site. I'm sure that switch and bait is an issue, but has anyone had experience with the site? I would say that the site is only useful if you're pretty conversant in Spanish. On the other hand, there are ladies advertising in it for $400 pesos per hour and up, which sure beats the strip joints.

Any advice would be appreciated.

[Mr North]

Coahuila. You are a rock star. Your contributions to this forum are truly appreciated.

Things Lakeside over the X-mas holidays have been very slowwww.a few years ago I was able to hook up with a visiting tourist and a local, while caging some of the local bars, but this year it seems very slow and dry. So I've been venturing out in search of other pursuits.

Despite the numerous warnings about Juniors, I ventured down from the lake to check it out on a Thursday. When I walked in around 11pm, I was customer #1, but decided to have a beer anyway. There were around 8 girls, but a few tables of locals started drifting in. The dancers on the stage started shortly after my arrival. I decided to pay for my beers as I drank (and avoid any credit card hassles), but even then, the waiter tried to trick me into demanding money for beers that I paid for much earlier. As mentioned by others, don't expect change from anything you give out. Otherwise, I wasn't really hassled by the waiters, they mostly left me alone, and the ratio of M/W was fine, despite earlier posts on the contrary.

I eyeballed a very slim and tight 20-something (7-ish), and she joined me for a beer. She didn't stop grinding me the whole time, flipping over and rubbing against me front and back. Language was a barrier, but we had a few laughs. I sent her away so that I could enjoy a cigar and try and let my eyes see what other talent was available. The answer being not much.

Later, I called her back and the waiter got involved and led us to a room behind the back wall. Their first offer was 1500 for 1/2 hour with room. I offered 1800 for the hour, with 2 beers thrown in. The waiter wouldn't come down from 2400, so I walked. I was quiet surprised that the waiter didn't come back to me and try and counter-offer, while I was finishing my beer to leave. I did get the girls' digits, so there could be some fun times ahead.

Last night I decided to venture to Chivas, as described by Coahuila. In a word. Its rough. 10 women, but the majority have obviously hit every branch on the way down their fall off the ugly tree. Surprisingly, everyone in the place left me along to enjoy my cigar. After I'd had a few beers, one girl (who appeared to be a 5-ish), caught my eye, but she took a while to leave a table full of locals. Nice enough girl, and we went to her room beside the bar. 500. She was a bit mechanical at first, but after I made her cum, she let her hair down and gave a passible GFE.

I'll stop by the Music Box at 10 pm on Sunday (30th) night to have a beer, so if you're in the neighborhood Coahuila, stop by and I'll buy you a cold one. I'll be the only gringo in the place. And yes, my OTHER middle name is discretion.

Cheers,

Mr. North

[Strike 69]

what was said about guadalajara is not true. you just have to know the scene.

please see my new post about guad in the guad forum.

thanks,

coahuila

ps - i just had sex with two girls that "looked like" 15 years old in guad yesterday for $35 usd. i won't say their real ages but you get the point.

cheers!

i'm telling you the truth, i've lived in gdl for some years therefore i know the scene quite well and due a hypocrital double moral attitude of the guadalajaran population it's the worst city i have ever seen to monger in north america which is too bad because the tapatias are some of the most beautiful women i've seen in mexico (also the girl's trend is to judge you according to how much worthy are you in front of their eye$$$$$)

for example recently the provider of working girls for politicians, businessmen and drug dealers known as the "cow" (la vaca) was caught alongside with the "procurador" (one of the most radical "puritanos" of the political party pan who attacks prostitution in a constant basis) in a sex party with middle school girls (chicas de secundaria in spanish) the avarage age of middle school chicks in mexico is from 12 to 15 years old.

guadalajara cannot match monterrey in strip clubs (there are more than 60 tabla dances there according to the "ayuntamiento") and in some clubs you can have full service with porn-star looking girls for 20 to 30 usd and in the high end clubs (amnesia, premier, prestige, obsession) prices are ridiculous cheap compared with the outrageous prices i saw in the high end clubs in guadalajara such as the men's club or the golden club ....also the quantity and quality of girls in monterrey's strip clubs are so much better. not even the candys ( a middle end club in gdl ) can match a mty or df club.... in mexico city the solid gold is a dream cum true. in gdl strip clubs not all girls are prostitutes so you only get horny inside the club but you cannot have sex with them and that really sucks in mty for instance all table dances are full service clubs. the kaos, the lipsticks, the ramses, the juniors they all were places to avoid in gdl as far i can remember.

and regarding escorts guadalajara simply cannot match mexico city.... mexico city along montreal are two best escorts spots in north america.

in guadalajara the majority of the agencies are bait and switch (gato por liebre) the royal prestigue, the new york escort, modelos galilea etc etc .... the one that has (sometimes) good girls was the royal prestige along with javier (the name of his agency was "rubias and morenas" the time i was there) even that the monterrey escort escene is not as big as the df, monterrey has better escort options than gdl.... bomboncitas regias or misses (incall and outcall services) absolutly kick ass and you will receive no bait and switch or get scammed when ordering a girl and that's type of service that i could find in guadalajara's agencies. in gdl there's a common phrase of the agencies owners: "caliente mija no te regresa", which means something like:" if he's horny he will not return you" and based on that statament some providers promises hot women and send instead ugly ones the type of girls that should pay customers in order to be fucked by them.
in gdl if you want to find decent escort the best option is to check the divas pagas of mexico city and see which girls are currently available in guanatos.

regarding incalls in guadalajara there was the jet set (i think it was closed by those mochos) the [CodeWord123], the luigi's, the nefertiti (the place it's closed now i think) and at last but not least the eduards. in those guadalajaran esteticas the quality of the girls were from irregular to bad, the [CodeWord123] had the most decent looking girls but you couldn't find any knock out either. in monterrey there are the: marcella (30-50 usd for full service with a hot [CodeWord901]), the faraonas, the astrid, the misses (the best in incalls in mty, knock out's and bomb shells type girls available there), the romanos, the signore, the florecitas, the modelos monterrey etc, etc, in mexico city there are the extreme sport spa, the first shout with high quality girls at good prices.........
the esteticas in gdl cannot match the saunas in scotland or the quality of the massage parlors in sao paulo, because in gdl sadly no one cares about the sexual needs of the men there.

so basically guadalajara has it all to be a major monger paradise in mexico (very beautiful girls, nice weather... excluding the floods) but sadly due a hypocrital double moral behavior and pseudo puritanism present in the guadalajaran population the local sex market it's very poor and it's really dissapointing to experimented mongers so yes is a wasteland when it comes to the sex market.

and for non pros in gdl (tapatias) the best aphrodisiac that makes them instantly horny is money, for example a lot of them seem to think that your car is an extension of your penis, so better the car you have better the quality of girls you can enjoy, so they will judge you based on your car, the type of clothes you wear, how much money you have in your bank accounts, where do you live, who's your family, what career do you have etc, etc, etc and for some unknown reason inside mexico the materialism trend presented in the guadalaran girls is the highest i ever seen within the country.

one day i did an experiment with a couple of chicks there, they never ever spoke to me (i'm not ugly neither uneducated) they never ever talked to me not even a "buenos dias". it's important to note that i was wearing casual clothes nothing fancy the majority of the times that i saw them, but someday i was wearing a fancy suit (due a work presentation) and i was driving an audi of a friend, and .............oh my gosh!!! it was like magic, when those girls that never said "hi" or "good morning" saw me, they almost run to where i was and said "hi" and they tried to get inside the car and kissed me in the chicks..... then i thought what the fuck?? they never ever talked to me in the past and now because i have those clothes and this fancy car they are now here talking to me, offering themselves spreading theirs legs and getting wet at the same time.

if you think that guadalajara is a monger paradise go to mexico city, monterrey (inside mexico) or to montreal, rio de janairo, sao paulo, buenos aires, caracas, bogota, scotland, germany (fkk clubs), london, prague, denmark, madrid, barcelona or thailand just to mencion a few more options to see what a true sex paradise looks like. feel free to ask me for information regarding these places (i speak spanish).

[Coahuila]

OK, here is what I know.

Starting from the east:

Jocotepec:

Apparently there are two spots for mongering. Probably a few more, but I don't know them yet.

1. Chivis Bar - This place is a typical mexican pueblo strip club. I have been there two times, and there is nothing worth speaking about. 4 - 8 girls, fat and ugly, that will fuck for between $20 and $40 USD. Supposedly there are hotter chicks on Saturday, but I have not been. I doubt that it is worth it.

2. Supposedly there is a second bar on the highway that goes from Jiquilpan to Guadalajara, right in Jocotepec. I have looked for it but I have not found it. Didn't look too hard. Supposedly there is at least one girl about 35 yo that is worth the trip. If you find it let me know.

San Juan Cosala:

This place used to have strip clubs, but apparently they were all closed down. One thing is for sure, it has nice girls, especially if you like indias. Still looking for some mongering around there.

Ajijic:

I know of one place, that definitely has hookers, but they are not too hot. I have seen a hot girl or two out front, but all the times I have gone in (a total of three) they have not been there. These girls will definitely fuck for money. However, I think you have to be lucky or horny to find something useful there. This place is about half way between Ajijic and San Juan Cosala, heading west. You will pass la Canacinta, La Cristina, and then it will be on the north side of the highway next to a big tree. It isn't always open, but when it is it's usually open between 6 PM - 1 AM mas o menos.

There are several "billardes" (pool halls) in the western part of Ajijic, the area know as Seis Izquinas, that may have working girls. Check it out... I have once, but didn't see much worth it.

San Antonio:

Nothing of interest except for some possible independents. I am working on getting in contact with those and will post if I do.

Riberas del Pilar:

There are two bars...

1. David's Sport's Bar, located halfway between Chapala and Ajijic, on the northern side. Normally 5 girls work there. 2 are fat and ugly. 1 is moderate and ugly. 1 is fat but with a cute face. The last 1 is cute and skinny, if you like indian girls. The price apparently is $20 USD to take them away from the bar, and the rest you negotiate with the girl. Shouldn't be more than $20 USD for FS. Haven't scored with the hot one yet (wouldn't with the rest) but I will let you know.

2. Bar Kru, located a bit closer to Ajijic on the southern side, apparently has working girls sometimes. That's all I know at this point, I have never gone in.

Chapala:

Chapala may have a few options, not sure how many. Here are a few to check.

1. Bar Lobos, located on the same street as the one you come in from from Ajijic, just past the traffic light. Supposedly there are girls that will "hook" if they like you on Saturdays and Fridays. I went today and didn't see shit. Not sure how good this is.

2. Bar Roy's, just across from Lobos, seemed to have two ugly light skinned hookers on a thursday some weeks ago. Haven't been since. Not sure if it is good or not.

3. Bar Checos, on the main strip in Chapala about halfway on the west side, definitely has some working girls some nights. Definitely not dependable, and only once did I see a girl I would actually do, even drunk.

4. Cañejos, or something like that. No idea where it is or what's up. Apparently it has girls sometimes. But I have neither seen it nor been able to verify.

5. There are two other Cantinas, Gato 13 and another one that I forget the name, which probably have some ugly girls working sometimes. However, I have not verified it.

In final, there are three bars where you will definitely find working girls in Lakeside. Those are Chivis in Jocotepec, the nameless ones west of Ajijic, and the David's Sports Bar (known to the locals as La Puerta Negra) in Riberas Del Pilar. I have only seen one girl in the three of them that I would fuck without them paying me.

Saludos,

Coahuila

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[Coahuila]

I wouldn't mind meeting up with you. Not sure how we can do it though, I can't post email addys. Maybe phone numbers? Mine is a cell [Telephone Number deleted by Admin]. Please be discreet when calling though. Ask for Chris and say it is regarding the forum.

Saludos,

Coahuila

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[Tiny 12]

Nice report Coahuila -- looking forward to your follow ups.

[Mr North]

I enjoyed your posts Coahuila.

I've been lakeside for the past week, and am around for a few more.

The lake is quite different from my last visit here (8 years ago) and I've been trying to follow your posts, poke around and find some pooning spots.

Because its Christmas, lots of things seem to be closed. I did find David's Bar (1/2 way between Ajijic and Chapala) to have a few ladies (5-ish), but the language is a barrier. Now that Christmas is out of the way, I'm hopeful that a few more cantina's will open up (and you'll share some more of your valuable experience).

Perhaps you've be interested in meeting up for a beer and trading notes?

Cheers,

Mr. North

[Coahuila]

so here goes again. btw this is a reminder that everyone should copy long reports to the clipboard. i did, luckily.

here goes.

ok, i live close to guad and have lived here for 4 years. i am going to give you a quick breakdown of the scene. and will follow this up in a few weeks with more detail.

there are several different ways to get sex in guadalajara.

1. streets and motels:

there are several areas where there are some sws and many situated in the doors of shitty hotels waiting for customers. these are the lowest grade of girls, although the quality really varies. hotties are either really new, really druggged up, or too young to work anywhere else. the hotels are located in the area around the san juan de dios market, on the streets of hidalgo, gigantes, 5 de mayo and independencia to name a few. some hotels have more action during the day, others at night, some all the time. girls range from 3. 8, though most are below 6. the average going cost is about $200 pesos ($19 usd) for about 20 minutes hotel included. this should be fully nude, although a hottie may receive up to $300 pesos ($28 usd) for full service nude. don't expect anything over half an hour, unless you are a good negotiator. another area with higher quality chicas are a few houses on the streets 50, 52, 54, near where they intersect with gigantes or with obregon. there you will find better quality chicas for about $350 pesos for full service or $450 pesos for full service nude. careful there are a lot of tvs in this area, but one of the houses (on 52, between gigantes and 12 de octubre) have numerous chicks between 20 and 24 that look like they are 16. i would like to point out this area is kind of ghetto, and cops will try to bribe you out of money, or at least they do it to the mexicans.

2. esteticas/ casas de citas:

esteticas are male massage parlors. some of them are actually just houses meant for fucking, and thus referred to as casas de citas. in guadalajara, the difference is very blurry, and they are basically the same thing. the prices vary, from $250 pesos ($23 usd) to $1, 300 pesos ($120 usd). the difference is as you go up in price, the installations get better, and the girls get skinnier and above all whiter. the service is apparently pretty good in all of them if you pick the right girls. of course, some aren't great. there are about 50 of these in guad, and i will post a list with addresses or phone numbers in the future. in general, service includes a massage, a bj and 1 sex act. extra acts or anal can be extra, or included if the girl likes you. these esteticas are all over town, so when i post the list you can find the closest to where you are. some of them are high class, [CodeWord123], monsieur, aristos, alexander, alcala, mediteraneo, luigi's, gaby's, arlette's, montecristo, cassanova, but those are just a few of many. one thing important to remember when walking into one of these, make sure to get the terms of the service at the beginning. then, make sure they show you all the girls. the amount can vary from 2 to 20. when you see them all make your pick. if you don't like any of them, bail. they are used to it.

3. escorts:

the escort business in guad is huge, but there is a lot of bullshit to be weeded through. most escort agencies will anounce themselves in the web (www.seductoras.com. mx, www.vivastreet.com. mx, www.divas.com. mx) among others, in newspapers (such as esto) or on cards that they pass out at traffic lights. the common rip off is that they will send you some chick that is totally different than what you expected, over priced, and that will give you a bad service. however, there are good agencies and also independents that i will post in the future. in general, escorts of decent appearance will charge between $700 pesos ($65 usd) and $1000 ($90 usd) per hour. some will come to your home and office, all will come to a hotel. the price may or may not include the taxi to get there. it is common they will ask you for up to $200 pesos extra for the taxi. never give them more than that. if the girl that shows up is not what you want, send her back, and don't give her anything more than the taxi, and that only if you are feeling generous. most of the agencies are bullshit, but there are some that send good material. futhermore, there are some people that act as agencies for independents that reliably send good material. those numbers coming soon.

4. strip clubs:

in strip clubs in guadalajara the girls may or may not be prostitutes. i would venture a guess that 90% are, depending on the price. surprisingly, considering the quality of girls, strip clubs can be pretty expensive. this is because you have to pay the girls and the club to fuck them. the cheapest i have heard of is around $600 pesos ($55 usd) for fs in the boom boom to over $3000 pesos ($280 usd) in some of the other clubs. personally, i stay away from these places, unless i am looking to get phone numbers for girls to meet up later outside on their own. that being said, some people have fun at them. apparently strip clubs that can have good deals are titanic blue, nuevo galeon, lipstick, boom boom, teatro lirico. some of them are ghetto, but that is good for price. clubs apparently to stay away from are kaos, golden club, candi's, and several others. they are too expensive for what you get. at titanic blue you can apparently get action inviting a girl upstairs when you buy her a bucket of beer (approx. $40 usd). at least you will get to know her name and her pussy.

ok, that's it for now. i promise i will post in the future with more details. long live international sex guide. thank you for being free and informative!

cheers,

coahuila

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[Coahuila]

Supposedly, there is no mongering around here. I have lived here for a year and even the locals tell me that. Well, it is not true... you just have to know the tricks. Apparently there are several cantinas (bars which have chicks that will fuck for $$$ on the weekends). At this point I have found the following:

Jocotepec - at least 1
Ajijic - at least 1
San Antonio - 0
Riberas del Pilar - 2
Chapala - 3
areas within 15 min of Chapala - 3

I have not really tried out any of these but will this week. If anyone is lakeside and interested please post and I will give more details.

Cheers,

Coahuila