General Reports

[SidTheSexist]

Jak,
I would love to see your honest post about the lodge and Im sure I wouldn't be the only one. Having stayed at the Livingstones and also visited purely for the bar, I am very curious to hear what you find negative about the place!
Sid

[M P Lurker]

just spent nine nights at livingstones over the new year time.

i entered a report under the lodge area the night before i left. i got the eight consecutive nights for the price of six plan, and one of the requirements is that you do a post on the lodge. i originally didn't take this real serious - only thought they wanted to encourage you to post. i was pretty busy, and i was planning on doing my posts after i got back and had some time. to my surprise, when i was looking to settle up my bill the night before i left, guido asked about my post. he said i needed to post and pm giotto to get him to okay my discount. i went to the computer and made a post that focused only on the positives (of course, given the circumstances), and then sent a pm to giotto to check it out.

i had to wait around about fifteen minutes or so afterwards to get guido to come over for the okay on the discount. i had to call my friend and tell him i would have to move our dinner meeting time a hour later, so i wasn't real happy about that.

i'm posting this because i think newbies or others who have never been there need to be aware of the positive posts under the lodge section. although my post was not false, it only focused on positives. if you are looking for a critical analysis of the lodge, i think it will be hard to find. i certainly felt coerced in my post for a discount that evening, and i think you need to look at the posts in that area with a critical eye.

mr. peeved,

if you are felling bribed, then there is no reason you must accept the discount. some don't. you could have written a completely honest view of the lodge including negatives. if fact why don't you go back and ammend your post if 24 hours haven't passed, or alternatively put in another review and admit that the previous one was time pressured?

the discount for forum members requires you to make a post. if you didn't do a proper post, why would you expect the discount?
i didn't claim a discount on my recent stay, because i had been too lazy to put in a review at the time also. to busy posting on other things.
so many people are expecting a big discount for doing nothing at all.
too mnay forum members are lazy to post, so unless the posting rule is enforced, they just won't bother. and so defeats the the purpose of having an active thread with lots of reviews about the lodge.t

you are not required to be positive. only honest and hopefully constructive. many guests have pointed out some weaknesses in their view and this helps the lodge improve by attempting to address problems that can be rectified. of course if someone complains that its not a 4 star hotel, its difficult to fix that as depends on what facilities are provided.

no one is being asked to lie about their expereince. the major purpose is really just to show that forum members are continuing to stay at the lodge and to see if they are having fun.
despite this, its true that some reporters may be influenced to ignore some negatives about their stay. it depends on their personality.

the lodge is not a perfect hotel. what hotel is, when employs thai staff, some of whom are reliable and others not? i can't find any hotel in thailand that is perfection and in my price bracket.

[Freeler]

BR,

The Thai observe every possible New Year, except Jewish.
They do Western:
Leaving BKK for their homelands upcountry, killing hundreds in the proces. This is right after Christmas, which the Thai observe just to take another holiday:
Leaving BKK for their homelands upcountry, killing hundreds in the proces
They do Chinese:
Leaving BKK for their homelands upcountry, killing hundreds in the proces
And they do Thai (Buddist):
Leaving BKK for their homelands upcountry, killing hundreds in the proces

All this BS starts up to a week in advance and lasts until up to a week afterwards. During this time, travel in the Kingdom is only for the hardy or the stupid.

[Wanderer1000]

Just spent nine nights at Livingstones over the New Year time.

I entered a report under the Lodge area the night before I left. I got the eight consecutive nights for the price of six plan, and one of the requirements is that you do a post on the Lodge. I originally didn't take this real serious - only thought they wanted to encourage you to post. I was pretty busy, and I was planning on doing my posts after I got back and had some time. To my surprise, when I was looking to settle up my bill the night before I left, Guido asked about my post. He said I needed to post and PM Giotto to get him to okay my discount. I went to the computer and made a post that focused only on the positives (of course, given the circumstances), and then sent a PM to Giotto to check it out.

I had to wait around about fifteen minutes or so afterwards to get Guido to come over for the okay on the discount. I had to call my friend and tell him I would have to move our dinner meeting time a hour later, so I wasn't real happy about that.

I'm posting this because I think newbies or others who have never been there need to be aware of the positive posts under the Lodge section. Although my post was not false, it only focused on positives. If you are looking for a critical analysis of the Lodge, I think it will be hard to find. I certainly felt coerced in my post for a discount that evening, and I think you need to look at the posts in that area with a critical eye.

[Beijingrichard]

I have RTFFed and, other than an influx of Chinese (which I find strange since you're supposed to spend it in your ancestral home) I don't see much about the Lunar New Year. Do Thais observe it and, if so, is there much impact on the mongering?

I spent it in Beijing last year and I'll be damned if I'm doing it again. I was extremely relaxed after two weeks in Thailand and then I couldn't sleep for two weeks due to fireworks 24 hours a day.

[Traveler1234]

LOL, true enough. They love the money, but there is the whole issue of losing face. It is probably more of a problem if you take one girl for a day or two and then take another one. I imagine if you spread the word from day one you were taking a different one every night, that would not be a problem.

You're 99% correct, I was merely injecting some humor. Unless you tell them it's purely 'business', one should not jump from girl to girl at L's bar. In fact, I seldom BF from there, usually buy them drinks, help my clients and/or friends find the 'right' gal, and get my own take-out elsewhere.

OT, did you get an email from our favorite escort service in KL....did he raise prices again?

Hope to hook up sometime in 2008.

[Thor93]

Rbamane

As far as being a butterfly, don't listen to Tho; 93 - first, he's being overly modest; second, the girls at Livingstones luv butterflies, especially those that carry a lot of green

LOL, true enough. They love the money, but there is the whole issue of losing face. It is probably more of a problem if you take one girl for a day or two and then take another one. I imagine if you spread the word from day one you were taking a different one every night, that would not be a problem.

Always remember though - Thai girls are among the most jealous women on the face of the earth, even the working girls. As long as you keep it straight business, no problem, but express anything more and even though you are paying, they think they own you.

[Traveler1234]

Yes, it is technically the Livingstones Sports Bar which is located in the Livingstone Lodge. You can even put the girls bar fine on your hotel bill. For those of you on an expense account it shows up as an innocent looking charge from the bar. It might even be more generic than that.

It it possible to go there and spend a week or two and never leave the hotel and have a different girl every night, although I suspect that might cause some problems with the girls. You would be pegged as the ultimate butterfly.

Rbamane

Besides the bar in livingstone's lodge, there are a plethora of bars up/down Soi 33. Two of my favorites are Monet and The Office. If you do decide to patronize these 'upscale' bars, first do your homework on which ones to avoid, etc. Giotto did a good summary of these bars on his thread.

Plus the barfines and ST/LT costs are substantially higher on Soi 33 than say Nana or Soi Cowboy (but less than escort services or private 'clubs').

As far as being a butterfly, don't listen to Tho; 93 - first, he's being overly modest; second, the girls at Livingstones luv butterflies, especially those that carry a lot of green

[Thor93]

Thanks buddy - that was really what I wanted to know. It helps .
Is Livingstones bar the same as the Livingstone Lodge or is it different from it?
Good luck!

Yes, it is technically the Livingstones Sports Bar which is located in the Livingstone Lodge. You can even put the girls bar fine on your hotel bill. For those of you on an expense account it shows up as an innocent looking charge from the bar. It might even be more generic than that.

It it possible to go there and spend a week or two and never leave the hotel and have a different girl every night, although I suspect that might cause some problems with the girls. You would be pegged as the ultimate butterfly.

[Daddy San]

You've obviously never been hassled by a over-zealous customs agent who is looking for evidence of child pornography and finds pics of perfectly legal but young LOOKING girls. Not fun, and potentially devastating. Which is why some people do indeed give two shits.

To avoid ANY kind of hassle (from customs, wifey and any other inquisitive folks), I simply encrypt the containers with my whoring files using PGPdisk. TrueCrypt is just as good. DON'T use Windiws file encryption. This automatically decrypts all files as soon as you log in (or so I believe).

[Shomohin]

every month or so the topic of hard drive searches are brought up. i can never help but wonder what the fuck some of you guys are so scared of getting caught with. surely so long as you are not doing anything wrong, ie **** boys etc, then what can be so bad that a customs official is going to bang you up for. as long as the girls in the pictures clearly willing and do not look as though they have been forced into the shots, who gives two shits about where you store the images.
sid

you've obviously never been hassled by a over-zealous customs agent who is looking for evidence of child pornography and finds pics of perfectly legal but young looking girls. not fun, and potentially devastating. which is why some people do indeed give two shits.

[Dirty Tom]

Thanks buddy - that was really what I wanted to know. It helps .
Is Livingstones bar the same as the Livingstone Lodge or is it different from it?
Good luck!

Here is a hint, go into most any bar, take out a couple of 1000 baht notes and wave them around. The best looking girls will materialize in front of your eyes.

Seriously, in Bkk it is absolutely no problem to find top notch girls. You just may have to pay a bit more for the very best, but then most Thai girls in the P4P venues are pretty decent to start with.

There are few places in the world where good looking women are as readily available as they are in Thailand. Of course you have to like Asian women, not many big breasted blondes available in Thailand.

I have spent a lot of time in Ipanema and the old Top Ten in Singapore. There are places in Bkk where the selection is better. Go top dollar and head to Spasso's or CM2. You will pay more, but the girls are made up and dressed to kill. Of course they are no different then what you get down at the go-go bars. You just have to pay for the make-up and clothes.

Another option is to head on down to Livingstones or the other bars on Soi 33. You will pay more but the quality is theorectically better. Real life though is you can find top quality in a lot of different places. Just go and look.

[SidTheSexist]

every month or so the topic of hard drive searches are brought up. i can never help but wonder what the fuck some of you guys are so scared of getting caught with. surely so long as you are not doing anything wrong, ie **** boys etc, then what can be so bad that a customs official is going to bang you up for. as long as the girls in the pictures clearly willing and do not look as though they have been forced into the shots, who gives two shits about where you store the images. and for christ sake, you have managed to sign up to an internet forum to ask these questions, why does it take trav1234 to tell you to set up a hotmail add with 10gb storage, every time the question is asked.
sid

[Traveler1234]

thor - with 8gb flash drives out there for $50 or so and given that they are "tiny" (pocket sized - about the size of a pack of chewing gum) and easily encrypted as well, why would someone keep pix on the hard drive?

it's so easy to set up email accounts for free...gmail, yahoo, etc have virtually unlimited storage capacity - upload and keep out of sight. if something happens to you, your email disappears from the public forever!

ps - above assumes you're not some fucking pervert hiding child porn or other shit. and slightly off topic - us laws now say that if you engage in **** sex/prostitution overseas, you can and will be prosecuted in us courts. be good boys

[Traveler1234]

Thanks, but I understand that your relaxed attitude comes from your prior experiences at BKK - it will be my first... so thats why it concerns me

Actually, as I get older (and older), I am less picky with looks and more concerned with service. If you're uptight about getting 9/10's, you'll end up jacking off rather than having fun.....

If you are really worried, suggest you go to some of the upscale private clubs or escort services....you'll get your 9/10 lookers but for a price. I can't guaranee service....maybe others might be more helpful