Kyiv

[KentsBest]

I was in River Palace a few nights ago. It wasn't very busy with the women outnumbering the men by about 3 to 1. It was about 1:30 and I was talking to a nice brunette whose name was Yulia. She was quite friendly and we chatted for a few minutes at the bar before moving to a seat. I bought her a drink and we chatted a bit more before the topic came around to money. I casually asked how much and she said that all the girls asked for $500.

PIT

Is River Palace a club just frequented by these types of girls or more of a brothel?

Also was the $200 you paid for the whole night?

Sorry for the probably newbie questions but I am new to this area so looking to get more info.

[AColonizer]

Please, read my post and don't flame yourself. Are you a perfect person? Is your country a perfect country? So it is everybody and everywhere. Also you should know honesty and sincerity are not qualities just for stupid people and you should know there is a limit for everything and everybody.

At last somebody talked about prostitutes' cheatings. Just talking about prostitutes (and not about women in general), cheatings are the main work of prostitutes' job. Everybody knows that.

You could pretend not to see cheatings, because for example prostitutes and you have the same mindset and you like their dirty game, but cheatings do exist and they are in prostitutes' behaviour.

This is a problem and we need to find a solution. Your post is not a solution but it is another problem because you want to hide the problem. Ok, let us to have another step forward: a prostitute doesn't comply the agreement, what can we do now? How can we avoid to waste money and time in that little time (one minute? ) in which we understand a prostitute is cheating us?

Master mongers don't think about this problem anymore because their behaviour has adapted to prostitutes' behaviour.

But what about the others? When you save a beginner, you save a little of your money because you stop people to inflation the market of pussy in ukraine and former USSR.

Everybody sees what has happening in this last year: before it was easy to find a sponsor girl for 500$/week or maybe 500$/month, now almost all prostitutes start from 60-100$/hour. (I knew an ukrainian man who introduced to me a prostitute for 40$/hour) of course we negotiate but it shouldn't be always so hard because our time is for fucking and not for negotiating, to negotiate before the service, negotiate during the service and negotiate after the service.

I know there is a difference between sponsor girl and prostitute but when a sponsor girl understands she could earn 10 times more for work 10 times less, she probably becomes a prostitute.

(when ukrainian prostitutes in italy know prostitutes' prices in kiev, I think they will go back to their country)

I like ukraine and I would like a lasting relationship with an ukrainian/russian girl. My knowledge of prostitution world and hardcore sex is just my present hobby.

AC, if you don't like the Ukraine why do you come? If you don't like prostitutes why do you use them?

[PassinThrough]

I was in River Palace a few nights ago. It wasn't very busy with the women outnumbering the men by about 3 to 1. It was about 1:30 and I was talking to a nice brunette whose name was Yulia. She was quite friendly and we chatted for a few minutes at the bar before moving to a seat. I bought her a drink and we chatted a bit more before the topic came around to money. I casually asked how much and she said that all the girls asked for $500. I just about spit out my drink. She said it with such a straight face and seriousness. I told her that she was wrong and that I would not pay that much. With that, not even negitiating, she picked up her drink, thanked me and left. Not that was fine with me but I know she did not go home with anyone that night because I saw her leave about an hour later with a girlfriend. I was walking out with a very attractive blond who started off asking for $200. She turned out to be quite nice and a lot of fun.

Just a warning to anyone going to RP, they keep setting the money higher even when the the girls outnumber the guys 3 to 1. I guess they are not really interested in making money as they are pricing themselves out of the market.

PIT

[Cruiser D]

I already have a pensioner pass for the metro. Don't you?

I'll spring for metro

AC, if you don't like the Ukraine why do you come? If you don't like prostitutes why do you use them?

[AColonizer]

To refund or not to refund, this is the dilemma. This is exactly the problem that I mean. Customer and prostitute must comply with the agreement. At last, somebody tells about his bad experiences.

The right behaviour, the behaviour of longtime mongers that I know here in italy, is to ask for partial or total refund about money for sex and money for hotel, if it occurs, otherwise mongers could decide or take prostitute to police or bring back money with the force or have the same behaviour of pimps (you know what I mean).

This is very hard in a country where there is no clear border between people and criminals.

And then why, why, why have customers to pay before the service? I sometimes paid after the service in italy.

Maybe I am boring but I remember the main purpose of the life of a prostitute is to cheat customers for money.

Maybe I am silly but when we find our favourite prostitute, the cheapest agreement is to marry her, at least for some years.

Ciao

[LifeSavour]

Kent...the girls at the strip club aren't all that good. ......If you pay for the taxi, buy me an orange juice and if I'm not busy that night I'd be happy to take you.

I'll spring for metro, YOU will buy the Pivko, and WE can both get BUSY!

PM me if ya are UP to it!

LS GUY

[Bez Bezarra]

Of course I always lock my door!

I don't believe that having paid for sex allows me to keep somebody locked up if she decides to go!

Sometimes mongering doesn't go as planned, that's just the way it is.

Like a pimp who brought me a 19 year semi-pro student that I paid for first, which is just how it is in many places, but when she began undressing, she turned out to be a 25 year old pro with a lot of make-up and two children. At that point, I decided to cancel and get a refund, but her pimp had already driven away, and didn't mind burning me, so refused to come back with my 2 hour fee, about $120.

Since my door was locked and the key in my pocket, I figured since I wasn't getting a refund, then the damn blyad will just have to sit there for a while and listen to me call her a lying suka.

She was probably thinking that if I wasn't gonna fuck her, I might decide to beat her up, so after a few minutes, she demanded to leave. I told her if she wasn't gonna get my money back, then she would have to stay and take my verbal abuse for lying about mis-representing herself that she wasn't what she pretended to be.

The next thing I know, she starts trying to climb out the window off my balcony for a 9 meter jump down to the brick courtyard. At first, I tried pulling her back in, and then I got mad and practically threw her over, and she got a little scared.

Then I started to think about it, so since it was only 3 o'clock in the afternoon, and I could tell she had been drinking vodka, I finally unlocked the door and let her out, figuring if she hit the ground and was bleeding or yelling, it would attract the wrong kind of attention, and I always try to keep a low profile. Twenty minutes of useless futile arguing with a stupid skank-ho was enough.

Like Explorer says, we can't win 'em all.

[Hecker]

MT was thinking maybe like this.To be locked for the whole night costs more than this Italian paid.If I accept it,he will win.But I have to win.So I will take his caviar to balance in my favour.

All this wining-losing mentality and the struggle in Ukraine can be a headache.The Russians only really how to impose on these people.

[Yossi]

I like caviar too.

I think it was around $500.00 worth of caviar that she stole from It Travel.

[Explorer69]

I agree with locking.Why let the girl leave when she wants if you have paid for her and how can be the security of your money and things guaranteed if she can simply open the door and leave at any moment?

Of course I always lock my door! But in this case there were 2 locks, one with a key and the other one you just could open from inside without a key. I usually lock with the key a bit discretly and hide the key. However, in this situation when MT was very observant on the lock, I did not want to initiate bad mood, it never creates good sex. So I just used the one without key. As far as I know MT never did anything to anybody except for this single occasion with IT? But I had no caviar in my flat when I invited MT, LOL. Maybe she just likes caviar? I always have my valuables hidden/locked up - and I never had anything stolen, never any problems.

But I disagree with the saying "Why let the girl leave when she wants if you have paid for her". If for some reason the girl wants to leave, how can you expect good sex when you force her? It is not my cup of tea! Then I prefer loosing my money. If a girl wants to leave before "the deal is finished the way I wanted" (and it always happened after we had some sex), she is usually no good, very pro, or the common atmosphere was no good. I expected more, but she decided to leave for some reason, maybe going back to the club to fuck another guy? Well, some times we win, sometimes we loose. Yes, I have been cheated in that way, but then it is usually best for all parts, there will not be much fun anyway? Furthermore, I don't believe that having paid for sex allows me to keep somebody locked up if she decides to go!

[Explorer69]

Hi all,

First time poster so please be gentle with me

I am off to Kiev in 2 weeks, and staying at Premier Palace Hotel, and original plans are to meet a girl that I have seen loads of time that is from Minsk, however, she called last night to say she may not be able to make the planned dates, so as I have already booked flight and hotel I thought if she can't make it I will go anyway.

So if she isn't there I would be looking for some fun for a couple of days.

I have heard about the Cabaret in Premier Palace and been told this is run by the hotel and have some great girls in there. Anyone else been in there and have any suggestions / comments?

Also my guess is that there will be a lot of WG in the hotel bar / lobby but not really sure how to approach them?

Also what I enjoy is a good GFE and also my big passion is girls in stockings and lingerie, so do you think if I provide this that most girls will be ok wearing stockings for me?

Last request, I have really fallen in love with the EE thing, and looking to try to get a few freebies after putting in some effort with girls via chat / sites, but what are the best internet sites to go via, I have seen flirt.com.ua but I don't speak the lingo so need something in English - any suggestions?

Many thanks for all advice

Paul

The girls in Premier Palace are among the most expensive you can find in Kiev. Take a taxi to River Palace - just say "River Palace" to any taxi driver in Kiev. You probably can have a hot duo for a couple of hours for the price of one girl from Premier Palace. Or have a hot girl all night. Just read the threads, you find all answers there).

[Cruiser D]

Kent...the girls at the strip club aren't all that good. The lobby girls however used to be extreme hot and very expensive. I don't know if they are still extremely hot but I do know they are still very expensive. The only strip clubs I can think of that still have extremely hot girls are the Rhino Clubs. Which will give you the same experience as an American strip club - you will spend a lot of money and you will get nothing in return, except a girl sitting in your lap. There is absolutely no take out from a Rhino club. However I did get one of the best lap dances in my life at a Rhino club last year.

Sadly enough for a short visit your best bet is to hit River Palace and chat a few girls up. If you pay for the taxi, buy me an orange juice and if I'm not busy that night I'd be happy to take you.

Hey does anyone know if there are any lobby girls working the Hyatt? I kind of doubt it. But it is right around the corner from me. BTW - what a awful looking hotel that is for the location. Looks like something you'd see in Palm Springs not in Kiev.

[Explorer69]

a) Door. When you have a normal door in an apartment you have to lock it, otherwise a guy or who else. Can just get in taking dow the handle. You sleep with the door open? (By the way I usually, as in office home or so, I take out the keys and put them in the right pocket of my jeans. Later she was taking them, and putting them in her bag. So who was the prisoner? )

B) we agreed after some jokes and so for an all night!

C) she does BBBJ with COF/CIM only when a little drunk (could try my vodka cum cocktail)

D) She got well paid, usb key with the pics she posted on her own page in flirt, 300 and the waiter sexy dress.

E) when I photographed her other times she knew se would have been posted. And was happy for that! Knowing I eas doing good comments.

As I told she do not want a flat. She want to marry a foreigner falling in love with her so she needs to meet a lot. She might be 26/7 now so too old for business and she start undertanding that it will soon be over.

I will post more pics where you see her laughing and all, she was joking always, but then took my ikra (bad girl).

And I think it's all.

IT

PS If she had been really a prisoner etc etc she would have been subject so severl DRI (Deep Rectal Inspection) with a proper instrument I always have with me. Ah ah ah.

IT, no offense, I was just quoting what she said, she pretended to be very upset and started to speak about this.

And yes, I know she has been too long in the business. The only thing is that last time we had vodka together, I didn't know that was absolutely necessary for BBJ and CIM, although it has been mentioned here.

[KentsBest]

Hi all,

First time poster so please be gentle with me

I am off to Kiev in 2 weeks, and staying at Premier Palace Hotel, and original plans are to meet a girl that I have seen loads of time that is from Minsk, however, she called last night to say she may not be able to make the planned dates, so as I have already booked flight and hotel I thought if she can't make it I will go anyway.

So if she isn't there I would be looking for some fun for a couple of days.

I have heard about the Cabaret in Premier Palace and been told this is run by the hotel and have some great girls in there. Anyone else been in there and have any suggestions / comments?

Also my guess is that there will be a lot of WG in the hotel bar / lobby but not really sure how to approach them?

Also what I enjoy is a good GFE and also my big passion is girls in stockings and lingerie, so do you think if I provide this that most girls will be ok wearing stockings for me?

Last request, I have really fallen in love with the EE thing, and looking to try to get a few freebies after putting in some effort with girls via chat / sites, but what are the best internet sites to go via, I have seen flirt.com.ua but I don't speak the lingo so need something in English - any suggestions?

Many thanks for all advice

Paul

[Hecker]

I agree with locking.Why let the girl leave when she wants if you have paid for her and how can be the security of your money and things guaranteed if she can simply open the door and leave at any moment?