Living in Thailand

[Run Mann]

No, I love to have a good time and I like others to have a good time, but many times the content of these forums get unbalanced views of Thailand and Thai culture..

Good to know and you may be right about Thai culture but as been pointed out before the majority of posters here are not too interested in Thai culture, because they are not here long enough to engage themselves in it as someone who lives here does. Although some Thais themselves and some residents expats do more damage to Thai culture than any visitor can ever do and I don't just mean the residents from that cloaca called Pattaya.

[Easy2007]

Getting a bit silly here. This is rather like an argument about paying for sex or not.

Prick A says he pays for sex and is happy to do so.

Prick B claims to never pay for sex, although the Prick keeps on buying expensive dinners and gifts and drinkies for his girls.........errrr...would you be getting any sex without the dinners, gifts and drinkies ?

In this argument Prick B is a total prick, and you can never make them see the light that in fact all women have sex for money, and sometimes they do it for free.

Tell you wife you will no longer be giving her any of your monthly salary and you will pay only 50% of household bills - and see if you "get lucky" very often in the weeks ahead.

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At the end of the day, all women P4P. Its simply a matter of payment direct, or indirect.

The argument here is silly, simply because there will also be two pricks, like A and B, and their viewpoints will never correlate.

If this is a "living in Thailand" thread, then let me tell you I have "lived in Thailand" for over 20 years. Thats kind of like at least a small level of experience in matters relating to this thread.

Whilst everyone is raising some good points, its invariably all lost when people start spouting bollox, and it appears the good points and surrounded by bollox as well.

To summarise, find me a Thai girl who has not "had sex" to further her life in some way, and I would be very surprised.

Why do you think Mia Noi's and Gigs and Gaks exist. They are only allowed to exist as the majority of women are married for what it gets them, and so can allow their husband his "indiscretions". And that my friends is something you should all remember. The whole female society is set about utilising looks and sex for life improvement.

[Thaid Up]

She is glad you embarrass her and you are in a superior class to judge others who are dressed in the same fashion you are?

In regards to the above quote, I made a mistake and forgot the NOT. I have edited the original report accordingly.

You and a few others who claim not to date P4P could start a cultural site and educated your fellow falangs. Its puzzling to me why posters who claim to they are not interested in P4P feel the need to continually post here about their superior good girls and their of lack of interest in P4P. Is it to shame P4P mongers or just to make yourselves feel superior or it could be that you just don't want to see others have a good time?

No, I love to have a good time and I like others to have a good time, but many times the content of these forums get unbalanced views of Thailand and Thai culture.

It has been posted about the difference between dark and white skin girls, where really I think it is a difference between country and city girls. It just so happens that many of the tan skinned girls are from the country.

As I said previously, if you are here for fun and games P4P is the best way to go. If you are in fact looking for a relationship you have better chances of success out of P4P with more modern era girls.

Hey if you are happy settling down with your country bumpkin and living simply in the country with the chickens waking you up at 3AM then by all means go ahead.

That is why I am posting in the Living in Thailand thread. I as others just want to help out fellows members to discover the world of Thai pussy outside of P4P. It is easy to get if you have the time and live here.

Finding girls in Thailand is easy, finding a good contractor here is next to impossible.

[Run Mann]

My Thai girlfriend tells me, “I glad you do embarrass me by wearing shorts, flip-flops and a T-shirt like many farangs do when we go out”.

She is glad you embarrass her and you are in a superior class to judge others who are dressed in the same fashion you are?

Those two are idiots. The only reason their behavior was tolerated was because they had some outstanding athletic ability.

You missed the point; I wasn't using them as role models only to make the point about their opinionatedness. You can call them idiots but in many circles they are considered to be geniuses and they do not care about no one else's opinion as I suspect those mongers action's you despise don't care about yours.

Please do continue. It is a good humour to watch the dichotomy between the businessman dressed in a suit accompanied with his girlfriend in her mini skirt, tank top and three inch heels at the breakfast buffet. Besides it gives her a chance to exchange phone numbers with other potential customer while you are in the loo.

If its good humor why you want them to stay away from the buffet table, you should be welcoming them. It’s unbecoming to be a snob!

I used to be a regular on the P4P circuit, now I rarely go. Now I only go when I need to take out of town visitors there to see the sights. When you are outside the scene, it is amazing how little these areas have an effect on Thailand as the whole. The punters seem to exaggerate their own importance of their business to the whole of Thailand. Well maybe for Issan, that is true, but not for the country as a whole.

You and a few others who claim not to date P4P could start a cultural site and educated your fellow falangs. Its puzzling to me why posters who claim to they are not interested in P4P feel the need to continually post here about their superior good girls and their of lack of interest in P4P. Is it to shame P4P mongers or just to make yourselves feel superior or it could be that you just don't want to see others have a good time?

[Thaid Up]

Start living life to comply with other people's standards and you've got a pathetic life ahead.

If you want to be a renegade all your life you will have a difficult path to hoe. Some people thrive on being different for confrontation purposes. Having some class transcends any wealth level.

My Thai girlfriend tells me, “I glad you do not embarrass me by wearing shorts, flip-flops and a T-shirt like many farangs do when we go out”.

Likewise, she would not be caught dead wearing a T-shirt and flip-flops going out either.

I subscribe to the John McEnroe and Charles Barkley school of social graces

Those two are idiots. The only reason their behavior was tolerated was because they had some outstanding athletic ability.

if you're not putting food on my table or clothes on my back, I couldn't give a bleep about your opinion, class system or normalcy

Please do continue. It is a good humour to watch the dichotomy between the businessman dressed in a suit accompanied with his girlfriend in her mini skirt, tank top and three inch heels at the breakfast buffet. Besides it gives her a chance to exchange phone numbers with other potential customer while you are in the loo.

I've always thought that visitors and expats who try to ingratiate themselves with the locals by ridiculing their own kind are more than a little bit desperate and sad. And locals in the countries that I frequent (Thailand, Spain and The Netherlands) often tell me in conversation that they consider those types to be quite creepy

I agree with this as well. You will never ‘fit’ in and quite frankly, the Thai social life is very boring. Unfortunately, many expats have to maintain relations with Thai’s for business reasons. This does not mean that you should not learn some of the basic culture of a country.

Like NicFrenchy says, after you live here for a while, you get tired of the culture that exists in the P4P arena and you tend just to use it as an outlet for sex just as most Thai’s do and not a picking grounds for long-term relationships.

I think it is wrong to extrapolate the culture with P4P girls to that of the general Thai population. What you are experiencing for the most part is Issan country bumpkin culture in which the novelty for me wore off real fast.

For most visitors and tourists, I would highly recommend staying with P4P girls as you have time constraints that limit your access to non-P4P girls.

I used to be a regular on the P4P circuit, now I rarely go. Now I only go when I need to take out of town visitors there to see the sights. When you are outside the scene, it is amazing how little these areas have an effect on Thailand as the whole. The punters seem to exaggerate their own importance of their business to the whole of Thailand. Well maybe for Issan, that is true, but not for the country as a whole.

[M P Lurker]

Start living life to comply with other people's standards and you've got a pathetic life ahead. I subscribe to the John McEnroe and Charles Barkley school of social graces, if you're not putting food on my table or clothes on my back, I couldn't give a bleep about your opinion, class system or normalcy.

Not keeping some of your morals and thoughts to yourself can lead to a pathetic life too.
I don't think its fitting that my parents or business associates have the full details of my mongering behaviour. Their moral values are or maybe completely different to mine. I know when to keep my mouth shut and know how to behave at least well enough so as not to be totally socially outcast. Unfortunately not all bar-girls know how to behave in public, nor do some of the tourists also.
My younger brother is like an outcast in society because he has a mental illness and unfortunately is far too open and unable to keep his personal views to himself when he would be well advised to do so. Total honesty is not the best policy.

It has nothing to do with class or being normal, its all about individual choices which no one has a right to dictate to another person. I say that some of those cheap hookers have much more character than some of the snobs in those dinner rooms condescending from their airy perch.

I don't try to dictate to others. Only to give sensible advice.
I have had problems with girls not knowing knowing how to behave with some decorum in the past, especially after drinking, and caused me great levels of embarassment. The lesson is to select the right girl, for the right occasion, or just the right sort of girls (full stop).
I certainly agree that SOME of the P4P girls have massively more interesting character in my own view than the snobs and guys who see themselves as superior.

[Terry Terrier]

I say that some of those cheap hookers have much more character than some of the snobs in those dinner rooms condescending from their airy perch.

Yes, I've sometimes found this to be the case too.

Start living life to comply with other people's standards and you've got a pathetic life ahead. I subscribe to the John McEnroe and Charles Barkley school of social graces, if you're not putting food on my table or clothes on my back, I couldn't give a bleep about your opinion, class system or normalcy.

Exactly. And, as long as the tourists are reasonably well-behaved, most of the locals just have a good chortle about their 'cultural ignorance'.

I've always thought that visitors and expats who try to ingratiate themselves with the locals by ridiculing their own kind are more than a little bit desperate and sad. And locals in the countries that I frequent (Thailand, Spain and The Netherlands) often tell me in conversation that they consider those types to be quite creepy.

[Run Mann]

Now what is the point of taking along a woman, to a hi class or business dinner

So she can eat! Who decides what is normal or low class?

am not saying it is forbidden, but rather its pointless, and the guy who does it may be embarassed or appear to be low class in the eyes of others. If you don't care about your image, great, you can go ahead.?

It is pointless to you but obviously not to him and his er date. I certainly would not show up with one of those type girls but neither you nor I have any right to tell another man how to live his life.

Start living life to comply with other people's standards and you've got a pathetic life ahead. I subscribe to the John McEnroe and Charles Barkley school of social graces, if you're not putting food on my table or clothes on my back, I couldn't give a bleep about your opinion, class system or normalcy.

It has nothing to do with class or being normal, its all about individual choices which no one has a right to dictate to another person. I say that some of those cheap hookers have much more character than some of the snobs in those dinner rooms condescending from their airy perch.

[Easy2007]

Depends what everyone is talking about here.

Breakfast in a hotel, well, its nothing, its leisure time, and anyone can take any friend along, does not matter who she is or what she is, its just a breakfast in a hotel.

If you are talking about business dinners in Thailand, then I would not take any girlfriends along and would advise others not to too. Simple, if its a business dinner, then go alone, pure and simple. If its something like a hotel breakfast buffet and not meeting anyone for business or like, then do what you want.

I like to see a few bar girls wandering around the breakfast buffet, gives me a chance to have a look and also see if I know them I mean, what else is there interesting to look at during breakfast.

[M P Lurker]

So you decide for others? Men should leave their "rent-a chick" that they paid for in the room to appease you? Snobs and elitist who think they know what is best for the world are always spouting off to others how they should live their lives. I've been in some of those breakfast and dinner rooms and observed the interaction; to me the only people that appeared to be uncomfortable were the snobs looking down their noses at the people they thought were below them.

If a man pays for any goods or services he should be able to use it anyway he wants without any regard to what anyone thinks about him or his choices, it’s his life. So what if you hate it, the idea that anyone should live life to be in lock-step with another person's opposing belief is beyond comprehension.

One purpose of taking a woman out to a group dinner is because she will enjoy it including the discussion. Another is to show off what an incredible woman you have caught.

Now what is the point of taking along a woman, to a hi class or business dinner, who is "like a fish out of water" and a rented sex object, unless she is capable of looking normal and knows how to behave herself?

I am not saying it is forbidden, but rather its pointless, and the guy who does it may be embarassed or appear to be low class in the eyes of others. If you don't care about your image, great, you can go ahead.

On the other hand, there is no reason why your LT girl shouldn't stay for the breakfast buffet as long as she can behave. I usually take my LTs down to breakfast unless they don't want to, in which case, send them away.

[NicFrenchy]

Interesting how someone can change..... When I arrived in LOS (a little over 3 years ago) I was only after P4P, Massage Places and the Likes (you probably read some of the reports). I was not looking for a relationship and if I was going to get laid, better go see a girl who knows a thing or two about it (ie: a professional).

OTH and his "Good Girls" comment amused me, until..... Lately (about a good 8 months now).

I have started to interact a whole lot more with your "garden variety" TG, I realised that a fair number of girls do look at us (Farangs) and not in a bad way. How could I have missed all these signals before? Maybe I was too busy thinking about wether to go to SOL or Tulip.

Well, I have now had a few "Good Girls" and I can say the experience is far more rewarding and exciting than it is in the P4P milieu. Sure a quick fuck in a massage place and bar or BJ Bar is still appealing to me, but I realise that Thai Girls are as Horny and as eager in bed than any SW or P4P (except the GFE is a little more real).

My LOS life is slowly shifting from P4P Fuck Marathons to a few "Giks" calling me because they want to come over to my place.

They call me when they want to see me, no pressure, I like it that way and so do they (well, except the girl I met in Chiang Mai, but I will write that report and you can see it there).

[Run Mann]

. I really hate these dinners where someone shows up with last night rent-a-chick and you can see how uncomfortable she is squirming like a fish out of water.

I have nothing against guys having a blast going crazy with their P4P girls, but please keep them in the room and away from the breakfast buffet.

So you decide for others? Men should leave their "rent-a chick" that they paid for in the room to appease you? Snobs and elitist who think they know what is best for the world are always spouting off to others how they should live their lives. I've been in some of those breakfast and dinner rooms and observed the interaction; to me the only people that appeared to be uncomfortable were the snobs looking down their noses at the people they thought were below them.

If a man pays for any goods or services he should be able to use it anyway he wants without any regard to what anyone thinks about him or his choices, it’s his life. So what if you hate it, the idea that anyone should live life to be in lock-step with another person's opposing belief is beyond comprehension.

[Thaid Up]

I think the focus is wrong of P4p versus 'good girls'.

Really in my opinion, it is a direct relationship between country bumpkin and city girl. If you take girls who were raised and live in Bangkok proper they tend to be more metropolitan.

Most P4P are transplanted country girls who pretty maintain their country culture (bug eating and all) because they never travel outside their sphere of comfort, so they will remain very naive in the modern day environment.
Well it may be fine to take the average bar girl for a night on the town dancing and drinking, take that same girl to a business dinner and she will show up in some jeans and a T-shirt only eat Thai food and generally be an embarrassment to her partner. I really hate these dinners where someone shows up with last night rent-a-chick and you can see how uncomfortable she is squirming like a fish out of water.

I have nothing against guys having a blast going crazy with their P4P girls, but please keep them in the room and away from the breakfast buffet.
So the debate of dark skin versus light skin has nothing to do with it. In fact, in the global view tanned skinned bodies are the preferred choice. You can see this in the majority of fashion models. I think this is due to a darker body being able to accent the flawless body better just as a black car looks better than a white car, but as such require higher maintenance.

Conversely, as woman age the dark skin also amplifies imperfections and wrinkles so I think older woman (50+) tend to look better with light skin than tan.

So the real difference is a class difference and with most P4P staying within their comfortable environment with low education, they will remain low class or simple minded.

[PinkPearl]

1. pinkpearl, you just described me :d

2. if you haven't driven a honda you can't talk about it, because you don't know how powerful the engine is and how the car reacts in certain situations, if it will oversteer or not, what kind of ameneties it has and so on.

3. of course women are women, but men are men and dogs are dogs too, so this doesn't have any meaning. some dogs may be nice and calm, others bark and are a pain in the arse and others may even bite.

4. having been with p4p in other countries may give you a clue, but that's it, just a clue and nothing more. there are social, educational, economical, religious and numerous other differences between people, especially between people from different countries.

5. btw, we aren't talking about p4p of different countries but about pro and non-pro tgs. you stated that p4p tgs are superior to non-pro tgs. i agree with you that there are some really nice p4p out there who provide great sex and are a lot of fun. but in general non-pros are more fun and provide better sex simply because they have a different motivation. i am not guessing it like you, that's the result of over 20 years experience in los with all sorts of girls with totally different backgrounds.

6. your below comments clearly show that your motivation to get nothing but sex is the driving force behind your agenda and not any kind of knowledge. personally i see nothing wrong with it if you prefer only to have sex and nothing more. maybe you aren't willing or able to have a relationship, that's solely your choice but that doesn't make your assumptions about those non-pro you don't know about a valid info.

1. pardon me for being a bit skeptical, traveller, but i doubt it. if i didn't know better, i would not even believe myself.

2. at least i could read about it on the internet, and after absorbing oth's volumes of theory here, i would have more than a clue. that is, assuming he is not a teenage wannabe fbi hacker, like some of his brighter peers, who is good with fiction or has read a couple books on los for his class essay.

3. in my experience some p4p tgs are nice and calm, some bark, some may even bark and bite. i believe it's safe to say the same of the so-called "good girl" non pro tgs, that is, sluts.

4. as i said to you before, i have experience with p4p tgs. but if it is going to take 10 years in class listening to oth talk about thai culture before one is smart enough to bang a "good girl", then you can count me out. why add misery on top of itself only to be rewarded in the end with the same? better to stay in canada and jerk off to oceans of super hot internet porn with the ky and butt plug.

5. i would add to my previous comment on this point that what you say may be true for you, but it is your subjective view. someone else could take the same ladies you did over 20 years and conclude the opposite of what you did. i would even go so far as to say that i, for one, would prefer the p4p brand of tg. finally, how would you know if a pro has a different motivation? i have seen a few that seem to enjoy the sex just as much as any woman. as for non pros, unless you can read her mind, you can't be 100% sure.

6. assumptions? i came to los for sex, not to make babies or discover a knowledge of the childlike mind of the thai woman. if i want to seek out out new forms of life, i'll watch reruns of star trek.

[PinkPearl]

Non P4P experiences are part of life in Thailand. I also put my dick into a lot of P4P, but truly, with 'good girls' it can be fun.

I don't doubt that it can be, for you. But after tasting the P4P scene, I'm afraid it would be endless misery for me. Unless you know one that likes to swim, smooch and 69 all night long. Must also be 99 percent dumb, hot, and not a clinger, since I am uninterested in any relationship besides casual sex. Finally, she should embrace butterflys as I will want my freedom, to sample the market, and get my eggs and sausage sucked 60 hours per month. But even if she meets all these criterion she may still be unacceptable if her attitude or service stinks. Good luck finding the perfect non pro woman! I already have it in P4P.