Monterrey

[Porker]

Mon Ami, sorry you doubt my experiences in the MP's. I have had the gamut there, from fanTASTIC GFE (you say DFK is rare in the bars? I used to get it more than occasionally for 120-200 pesos -- total, ur right I DONT TIP THERE-- in the MPs!) to the worst fucking rushed ripoff experiences I could ever even imagine. And unlike Prok, I HAVE extensive experience with meeting the massage girls off premise for 2+ hours of outcall fun, and had SOME GFE experiences with them that USB would drool over!

But the USUAL experience in the low-end MP's is that the minute the girl starts to attempt any sort of service, she immediately reverts to an upsell. Can that be headed off at the pass before it happens? Maybe, I don't know, not really my style. Mein Freund might be right about THAT. I freely admit that I don't respond well to the more overtly moneygrubbing trash. If one gets their rocks off thinking they're getting a bargain for bribing their ***** into doing a 20% better job with you, then good for THEM! ME, I expect MORE!

[Porker]

USB... Porker doesn't get it.
His agresive and demanding style is not for Monterrey.
That is why he doesn't like Monterrey.
It's like I've been discussing else where at other forums.
You need to drop money to be a good customer at clubs and at MPs (now that Iam getting around this venue).
Buying a couple of beers will get you no where at the clubs.
Buying just one session with a girl at an MP and refusing to tip will get nothing from her.

This is the point Iam getting to: Balance Prokofiev posts against Porkers.
Prokofiev knows, tries and gets the best of the girls more or less in a middle ground (estira y afloje, as we say here).
But Porker likes to clash against the girl and/or business once he considers himself getting the short end of the stick.
And the girls just don't like to be hasseled by an customer that pays 100-150 pesos and doesn't tip.

Easy... nothing else.

Regio, DUDE, BELIEVE ME, I GET! I know the rules of the game and will categorically state the rules of the game in Mexico are NOT FOR ME. I repeat, in case there's any doubt, NOT FOR ME.

If there are OTHERS in the world that wanna average spending 100 bucks a day and get a kiss on the cheek as they pay their bill OR spend 500 bucks a day to get 2 hours of sex in their hotel and think they are getting some sort of value for their money, well, GOOD for THEM!

I save my meager funds for what I consider much better value, and will stack my deals up against anywhere in the world.

[MonterreyDude]

No... part of the my problem with MPs in part was that my measuring rod was Porker.
I always thought MPs were not good cause he always complained about them.

I even got in trouble and discussions with other mongers that liked the Monterrey MP's cause I valued more Porker's word and experience over others.
A reality that will not change no matter how much he despises them.

He will never go for stuff that you USB, Wasted, RTW, Prokofiev and others have comprehended:
1. Understand
2. Adapt
3. Take advantage.

Now that I've been checking out this venue, I find out that Poker somewhere along the line lost his grasp with the reality of how clubs and MPs, both, work.

On the other hand, his forté, his REAL forté is SEA, no question about it.

It has nothing to do with softening or whatever, Porker has not changed the least and I have had my quota of quarreling with him at other forums.

It just happens that he has not softened he has hardened even more his perspective of Monterrey towards the hard line monger that wants his hand kissed for 150 pesos, nothing else in exchange.

Now that Iam checking out MPs, I tend to agree with folk like Prokofiev and others, about finding the best service for the best peso deal and truely finding it.

Now I truely agree with the advantages offered by established MPs like Signore, Millenio, Faraonas and several others.
Being that I have checked far beyond the Zaragoza st line into the expensive ones like Romanos, and Marcella, I have to point out both ways.
Signore and Millenio are really good MPs.... Versace, Horoscope, Romanos hold their own in their particular expensive way.

Of course I have had my running into cheap and ugly MP's like Shakira and Diamante, but I have found great deals with great girls like at Abril and Subasta de Virgenes (Virgin Auctions).

Nope... I still stick with my new found knowldage that I hope will help the mongers that favor MPs.

Porker totally gets it, as is evidenced by his repeated trips to GFE land. He just doesn't like admitting that he gets it. He is mired in mongerdom's political correctness, not able to bring himself to stand on the side of GFE altruism.

His psychologically self imposed denial of the obvious potential that's available in Monterrey restricts that boundless potential that I know resides in his being.

However, there is still cause for tremendous hope. We have all seen a transition in Porker over the last several years, a softening, regardless of his contrary articulations.

I am, frankly, comforted at knowing in my heart of hearts that he does indeed get it, even if he can not bring himself to admit it publicly.

[Member #3453]

Porker totally gets it, as is evidenced by his repeated trips to GFE land. He just doesn't like admitting that he gets it. He is mired in mongerdom's political correctness, not able to bring himself to stand on the side of GFE altruism.

His psychologically self imposed denial of the obvious potential that's available in Monterrey restricts that boundless potential that I know resides in his being.

However, there is still cause for tremendous hope. We have all seen a transition in Porker over the last several years, a softening, regardless of his contrary articulations.

I am, frankly, comforted at knowing in my heart of hearts that he does indeed get it, even if he can not bring himself to admit it publicly.

USB... Porker doesn't get it.
His agresive and demanding style is not for Monterrey.
That is why he doesn't like Monterrey.
It's like I've been discussing else where at other forums.
You need to drop money to be a good customer at clubs and at MPs (now that Iam getting around this venue).
Buying a couple of beers will get you no where at the clubs.
Buying just one session with a girl at an MP and refusing to tip will get nothing from her.

This is the point Iam getting to: Balance Prokofiev posts against Porkers.
Prokofiev knows, tries and gets the best of the girls more or less in a middle ground (estira y afloje, as we say here).
But Porker likes to clash against the girl and/or business once he considers himself getting the short end of the stick.
And the girls just don't like to be hasseled by an customer that pays 100-150 pesos and doesn't tip.

Easy... nothing else.

[MonterreyDude]

USB... Porker doesn't get it.
His agresive and demanding style is not for Monterrey.
That is why he doesn't like Monterrey.
It's like I've been discussing else where at other forums.
You need to drop money to be a good customer at clubs and at MPs (now that Iam getting around this venue).
Buying a couple of beers will get you no where at the clubs.
Buying just one session with a girl at an MP and refusing to tip will get nothing from her.

This is the point Iam getting to: Balance Prokofiev posts against Porkers.
Prokofiev knows, tries and gets the best of the girls more or less in a middle ground (estira y afloje, as we say here).
But Porker likes to clash against the girl and/or business once he considers himself getting the short end of the stick.
And the girls just don't like to be hasseled by an customer that pays 100-150 pesos and doesn't tip.

Easy... nothing else.

All of this is said tongue 'n cheek to my good friend Porker, but...it must be said none the less. I am, frankly, delighted to see you posting. :-)))

Granted, if it's strictly the "ACT" desired, then certainly there are options available in the MPs. But, we "ALL" know a certain someone who frequently returns to the PI for something "MORE," and I am not just speaking in generalities about GFE, but with respect to a decided decision to return to a specific certain someone whose "personality and charm" lures him back. So, while you say that you want a "fuck machine," you orchestrate frequent and lengthly returns to experience "something more."

Speaking of which, the cost for returning for something "MORE" is certainly much more expensive than staying in Monterrey and visiting Signore. So, while your strategic preferences are articulated in the one sense here on the board, your behavior, your desire for GFE, or at least for something beyond just the "fuck machine" experience...dare I say, even your most recent desire for the hybrid GFE, says something quite different about your motivations.

Not a one of us would kick the MP girls out of bed, not even the medium level ones. We are, afterall, sex mongers, verdad? But, some of us "choose" to ultimately spend our money for the prospect of a different kind of experience as part of the sex, and for something that is most definitely different than what is typically experienced in the MPs. What is enjoyed in the clubs, really isn't mongering per se. It is socializing, and nothing more, a preface to mongering.

Time spent in the clubs is no different than socializing under other circumstances, but the difference in that context is that it can lead to outstanding GFE outside the clubs, to a potential with girls that are "entertaining," beyond just the sex act. So, I suppose one could conclude that socializing in general has no particular value, but when used properly, it can set you up for exceptional sessions that are not otherwise generally attainable under MP circumstances.

Of course, there are always exceptions to the rule with respect to girls with "personality" and "charm," and on rare occasion, they are found in the MPs, but not usually, with perhaps the exception of Misses or Romanos, where they are charging out the ass with respect to time spent in comparison. I would expect to get something more than what is offered at Signore when visiting Romanos or Misses. I would expect to have my socks charmed off for 2000 pesos for one hour's time.

Well, one thing is for sure, your close friend, USB, has one particular preference that he articulates on the boards, and he sticks to it, consistently faithful to his articulated preferences, unlike his dear friend, Porker, articulating one kind of preference, wanting only a fuck machine, but venturing off to far away lands, lands known for their exceptional GFE standard, a place where the girls are so frickin' cut and charming, a place where Porker's exact words in the past have been, about the girls, something like, "the difference is...they are fun." (ie:charming).

But, USB does not say one thing, desiring only a "fuck machine," and spend gobs of money to travel to Asia for the other. Your friend, USB, would dearly love to have the time available to travel to the other GFE capitals of the World to enjoy the "charm" of those girls. But, unfortunately, he must confine most of his time spent to close destinations like Monterrey.

But, honestly, were I in your shoes Porker, living in Mexico, I would have every bit the experience I can have in Asia by just staying put. Of this, I am totally and completely convinced at this juncture, after so many years playing the game in Monterrey.

Cost? Less, by a long shot, even when spending pesos in the clubs to find the charmers, and eventually beating them at their own game in getting what some spend in dollars to travel to far away lands, austencibly to get that which is so easily obtainable in the PI for peanuts, charming GFE for next to nothing in cost, which when practiced with precision in Monterrey in the clubs, is sometimes even available in Monterrey for next to nothing in cost should one choose to make the effort, and push one's own psychological manipulations to the fullest extent.

[MonterreyDude]

Prokofiev... there are MPs above the low, more into midium and into high class, that double as escort services, like Medusass, Versace, Subasta de Virgenes (this more into low end), Vivid, Misses, Marcella.
Brother businesses Havana and Safari, both low end Mps also serve escorts to hotels.
These 2, you can go and get the girls and take them out... though girl quality is another thing.

You've only concentrated in the area around Villagran St.
Like I told you, you need to check the map I made so you can see all the MPs in the periphery of the downtown area.
Which are by the way, more expensive, cause they consider themsleves above the MP's in the dowtown area.
Piscis for example offers exactly what you are looking for: 200 pesos for 30 minutes.

Maybe, I'm just a fast worker, but in my entire life I can only remember being called for time once!! And I usually waste the first 5-10 minutes talking with the chica and rubbing her down. I always try to "force" her to interact with me . . . to "keep it real" in some manner. It all depends on your personal style and what you are looking for. I can usually turn a poor attitude around, but some girls are just losers no matter what you do. I always try to choose a chica based on personality, as opposed to looks. Of course, it is still a crap shoot since you usually have only 10-15 seconds to meet each one, ask her name and try to get a hint about her attitude . . .

In the low-end MP's an extra 30 minutes is only going to cost you 100-300 pesos more, so time really should not be a major issue. I always choose the shortest time available, unless there is value pricing such as 200p for 30 minutes and 300p for an hour. In Monterrey, that seems never to be the case. If you really like the girl, you can always pay for more time or just return for another session with her. Always try to keep your up-front investment low.

" . . . I know I will be interested in barfining girls when I am there and have been wondering if it is possible to do so with the massage chicas.
Haven't seen much in regards to that on the forum and am wondering if the price structure for that is similar to paying the salida on a SC girl? "

It is rare for most MP's to allow a salida. Of course everything is negociable, but the house will never let her leave without getting a fat cut of the money. A better strategy is to try the girl in the MP and if you are still interested, ask her for her cell phone number and when she gets off. If she trusts you and you make clear the amount you will pay she will often give you her number. This sometime happens even if you don't ask. But she risks losing her job if the MP owners find out she is working off-site with customers. Despite having received a ton of numbers this way, I have never followed up and tried to get them to my hotel.

-P

[Member #3453]

All of this is said tongue 'n cheek to my good friend Porker, but...it must be said none the less. I am, frankly, delighted to see you posting. :-)))

Granted, if it's strictly the "ACT" desired, then certainly there are options available in the MPs. But, we "ALL" know a certain someone who frequently returns to the PI for something "MORE," and I am not just speaking in generalities about GFE, but with respect to a decided decision to return to a specific certain someone whose "personality and charm" lures him back. So, while you say that you want a "fuck machine," you orchestrate frequent and lengthly returns to experience "something more."

Speaking of which, the cost for returning for something "MORE" is certainly much more expensive than staying in Monterrey and visiting Signore. So, while your strategic preferences are articulated in the one sense here on the board, your behavior, your desire for GFE, or at least for something beyond just the "fuck machine" experience...dare I say, even your most recent desire for the hybrid GFE, says something quite different about your motivations.

Not a one of us would kick the MP girls out of bed, not even the medium level ones. We are, afterall, sex mongers, verdad? But, some of us "choose" to ultimately spend our money for the prospect of a different kind of experience as part of the sex, and for something that is most definitely different than what is typically experienced in the MPs. What is enjoyed in the clubs, really isn't mongering per se. It is socializing, and nothing more, a preface to mongering.

Time spent in the clubs is no different than socializing under other circumstances, but the difference in that context is that it can lead to outstanding GFE outside the clubs, to a potential with girls that are "entertaining," beyond just the sex act. So, I suppose one could conclude that socializing in general has no particular value, but when used properly, it can set you up for exceptional sessions that are not otherwise generally attainable under MP circumstances.

Of course, there are always exceptions to the rule with respect to girls with "personality" and "charm," and on rare occasion, they are found in the MPs, but not usually, with perhaps the exception of Misses or Romanos, where they are charging out the ass with respect to time spent in comparison. I would expect to get something more than what is offered at Signore when visiting Romanos or Misses. I would expect to have my socks charmed off for 2000 pesos for one hour's time.

Well, one thing is for sure, your close friend, USB, has one particular preference that he articulates on the boards, and he sticks to it, consistently faithful to his articulated preferences, unlike his dear friend, Porker, articulating one kind of preference, wanting only a fuck machine, but venturing off to far away lands, lands known for their exceptional GFE standard, a place where the girls are so frickin' cut and charming, a place where Porker's exact words in the past have been, about the girls, something like, "the difference is...they are fun." (ie:charming).

But, USB does not say one thing, desiring only a "fuck machine," and spend gobs of money to travel to Asia for the other. Your friend, USB, would dearly love to have the time available to travel to the other GFE capitals of the World to enjoy the "charm" of those girls. But, unfortunately, he must confine most of his time spent to close destinations like Monterrey.

But, honestly, were I in your shoes Porker, living in Mexico, I would have every bit the experience I can have in Asia by just staying put. Of this, I am totally and completely convinced at this juncture, after so many years playing the game in Monterrey.

Cost? Less, by a long shot, even when spending pesos in the clubs to find the charmers, and eventually beating them at their own game in getting what some spend in dollars to travel to far away lands, austencibly to get that which is so easily obtainable in the PI for peanuts, charming GFE for next to nothing in cost, which when practiced with precision in Monterrey in the clubs, is sometimes even available in Monterrey for next to nothing in cost should one choose to make the effort, and push one's own psychological manipulations to the fullest extent.

HAHA, you just PERFECTLY described everything that's WRONG with the mongering scene in MTY. The local married guys blow a TON of money getting their egos stroked by hookers that don't HAVE TO FUCK when they can clean up by milking overpriced drinks.

USB, if that's "social skills" then give me a socially retarded fuck machine!

[Prokofiev]

This is a huge problem in lower end MP's (I don't go the higher end places). And, of course, there's not a goddamned thing you can do about it, except avoid those fucking places. Signore doesn't USUALLY pull that crap, and Milenio2000 didn't used to either.

Maybe, I'm just a fast worker, but in my entire life I can only remember being called for time once!! And I usually waste the first 5-10 minutes talking with the chica and rubbing her down. I always try to "force" her to interact with me . . . to "keep it real" in some manner. It all depends on your personal style and what you are looking for. I can usually turn a poor attitude around, but some girls are just losers no matter what you do. I always try to choose a chica based on personality, as opposed to looks. Of course, it is still a crap shoot since you usually have only 10-15 seconds to meet each one, ask her name and try to get a hint about her attitude . . .

In the low-end MP's an extra 30 minutes is only going to cost you 100-300 pesos more, so time really should not be a major issue. I always choose the shortest time available, unless there is value pricing such as 200p for 30 minutes and 300p for an hour. In Monterrey, that seems never to be the case. If you really like the girl, you can always pay for more time or just return for another session with her. Always try to keep your up-front investment low.

" . . . I know I will be interested in barfining girls when I am there and have been wondering if it is possible to do so with the massage chicas.
Haven't seen much in regards to that on the forum and am wondering if the price structure for that is similar to paying the salida on a SC girl? "

It is rare for most MP's to allow a salida. Of course everything is negociable, but the house will never let her leave without getting a fat cut of the money. A better strategy is to try the girl in the MP and if you are still interested, ask her for her cell phone number and when she gets off. If she trusts you and you make clear the amount you will pay she will often give you her number. This sometime happens even if you don't ask. But she risks losing her job if the MP owners find out she is working off-site with customers. Despite having received a ton of numbers this way, I have never followed up and tried to get them to my hotel.

-P

[Porker]

Prokofiev

Yes, this is very important: girls might tell you 30 minutes outside, but once inside, they'll run it down to 20 minutes.
The girl once inside will go out for the towels and burn 5 minutes out of the 30... down to 25, it's easy for the girls outside to cut it down to 20 minutes when they star yelling "tiempo".

This is a huge problem in lower end MP's (I don't go the higher end places). And, of course, there's not a goddamned thing you can do about it, except avoid those fucking places. Signore doesn't USUALLY pull that crap, and Milenio2000 didn't used to either.

[Porker]

Everybody likes something different. Some guys like a flock of SC chicas around them saying "Ooooh Papi!!" and drinking 100 peso drinks to stroke their ego. That only makes me feel like a chump. It is totally artificial. You know it. The girls know it. Every guy in the club knows it. You usually end up dropping major coin on BS. But if that's your thing, cool. Go for it. It's only money.

HAHA, you just PERFECTLY described everything that's WRONG with the mongering scene in MTY. The local married guys blow a TON of money getting their egos stroked by hookers that don't HAVE TO FUCK when they can clean up by milking overpriced drinks.

USB, if that's "social skills" then give me a socially retarded fuck machine!

[Porker]

EXCELLENT on topic post.

Sean,

Yes, virtually all the girls at a MP know the score and often will tell you upfront exactly what you'll receive. Some would be shocked to actually give you a real massage . . .

The "normal" basic offering is CBJ followed by 1 to 3 positions. One shot on goal and 30 minutes total. Everything else can be arranged at a cost. Some chicas will do anal. Many will not. Some BBBJ, some CIM. Others no - regardless of extra money. Most places are very fair, but some will try to upsell for everything from taking off her clothes to even taking off her top.

My best advice is to visit Signore first. IMO this is the best low-end MP in Monterrey and has been in business for over 10? years. Check out the afternoon special - usually around 100-150 pesos. I have never been up-sold on the basics here and they usually have several attractive ladies. Also large rooms with king-size beds. It is much more comfortable than some of the other places. You can usually find bbbj and anal here, for 200-300 pesos more. Check out their web-site. The services are listed (but not prices) along with a picture gallery of the working girls. Also 3- somes are possible (at least at Signore), depending upon the chicas working that day- but don't expect an afternoon 3-some to be 2 x 100 pesos. Probably would start around 500. Also realize that more girls will do a 3-some if they are NOT required to have sex with the other chica. They will take turns blowing or fucking you and will usually require a change of condoms each time. IMO, this is a fun fantasy every now and then, but usually over-rated. I would prefer to concentrate on a single woman. There will never be any kind of a GFE with 2 chicas.

Another interesting thing is just to make the rounds and visit 4-5 MP's to see who is available. Tire kicking. Near the SCs there are at least 8-10 within easy walking distance. Hopefully, you can speak some Spanish. But if not, it is still worth your while. Just smile, be cool and not intimidated by the situation.

Good Luck, -P

[MonterreyDude]

Should have done it myself... the correct name is El Zuku Zuku, owned by the same set of brothers that own TVO, Lancelot and Eclipse.

Clubs can be found in my Google Map in the Reports of Distinction thread.

Sorry, I remembered incorrectly name of MC reported in previous post.
Its real name is El Zucu Zucu.


P.S. Jackson please, allow editing longer than those mere 1440 minutes !

[Albert Punter]

Sorry, I remembered incorrectly name of MC reported in previous post.
Its real name is El Zucu Zucu.


P.S. Jackson please, allow editing longer than those mere 1440 minutes !

[Albert Punter]

Last night I was invited out by some business partners.

We went to Extasis first. Dead. Only three people in: just a couple of girls and a customer.
It was around 10:00, maybe it was too early for that place.

So we moved to Le Zuzu (or similar name). It was almost full. Lots of girls and customers.
We sat at the stage and ordered some beers (cost should be 30 pesos each).
Almost immediately I went to the restrooms and a couple of girls followed me, and pinched/caressed my back while I was pis…g : what an interesting prelude !
Place is much smaller than Infinito (only other place I know). Girls are more or less same level than Infinito, as far as I remember. However, here I saw at least three quite above average, for my taste.

At this club, girls sat on your legs and you can touch them.
As Amigomio explained in Mexico you don’t tip the girl dancing in front of you. I would say here it is better than USA as you don’t spend on tips and you can touch/caress.
In case you order a drink for the girl, cost is 120 Pesos.

Then, if you like, you can move to the privado where you can fondle them and kiss them for 9 minutes (no sex here): cost 100 Pesos. This is an absurd, cheaper than girl’s drink.
In case you like them, you can take them out. I have been quoted by two girls 700 Pesos for the club and 1500 for her (as I was too tired to be really interested, I didn’t ask for how long/how many shots).
Apparently there is no other way. I asked to the girl to join me at my hotel when club closes but the girl said they are escorted home, so they are not free to go where they like and to meet customers.

However, they gave me their mobile numbers, in order to call and meet them when they are free. Maybe on a next occasion I will call them, negotiating price first as I am sure 1500 Pesos can be reduced.

[MonterreyDude]

Not all MP's offer Out-Call with there girls... as a matter of fact, the mayority just don't do it.

There are those Mps that do offer it, like Medusass, Misses, and several others.
Remember, they are not salidas.. it's part of their business.
What I mean is that I believe you must call ahead, I don't think you can just go and check the girls and take one out.

Price structure... I just don't know.
Escorts is a field I have never explored.
But you can find prices ranging from 500 pesos (plus tips) going up into the 2000 even 3000 price range.

Amigomio,

Thanks for the info on Medusas. I know I will be interested in barfining girls when I am there and have been wondering if it is possible to do so with the massage chicas.
Haven't seen much in regards to that on the forum and am wondering if the price structure for that is similar to paying the salida on a SC girl?

I guess the outcall services from Medusas you mentioned is a salida type situation??