FKK Palace - Frankfurt

[Ekliges Lauern]

The rave reviews you get of this club..

... are mostly written by folks who don't have anything to compare it to.

Heck, there are guys out there who visit Laufhaeuser who have never indulged in the hobby before who come back with rave reviews too..

This is what alot of us really don't understand about the Palace bashers. We understand you don't like the club and haven't been there in years. What we don't understand is the almost compulsive need to come into the forum and [CodeWord140] on the club and the guys that like it.

There are clubs I don't like that much that others rave about. I don't go in those clubs' forum and complain about them. It's fair enough to post criticism after a visit if things are not to your liking but frankly if you haven't visited a club in two years, you really don't have much to add to the discussion.

...I find Frankfurt lacking in charm.

...Give me a day in Wuppertal (where Cocoon is) any time. At least it has a Schwebebahn.

True enough. Outside of a club, I would rather be in Wuppertal vs. Frankfurt. However from my mediocre visit to Cocoon ca. four years ago, I'll tolerate Frankfurt for the Palace/Oase over Cocoon any day.

...I didn't answer your question: the last time I visited a club in Hessen was probably in 06. I have suceeded in keeping up this streak since then and I have every intention of not breaking the streak.

My friends from NRW, therefore, tend to stay in NRW. You might say that it is a part of my acculturation process that I'd adopted their ways.

If I lived in NRW, I would probably only come down to Hesse for Palace/Oase only once in a blue moon. I could largely content myself between GT and Freude as well as the wealth of clubs to explore that I haven't visited. I wouldn't come in the Palace forum and repeated complain about it, though.

For many of us, FRA is far more convenient. I transit regularly through FRA and have business in FRA.

[Ekliges Lauern]

"Talented amateurs" is an excellent appellation. In my own mind I refer to them as free-lancers, but we are referring to the same thing.

I often see them at "Fickfabriken" type clubs, like Palace. Palace is full of them sometimes during weekends and Messe-zeiten. They are also a large part of the GT lineup too...Also, I've seen them at Oase. The old Atlantis used to be a real hub for this kind of girl. So don't dismiss their presence at larger clubs. They are not exclusive to small clubs...

Ortos

Ahh, the memories. I remember at Atlantis many years ago as I was just learning about the FKKs. I got past going with every woman who was my type, optically and I started sampling women of different body types just for the variety. I ended up going with a blonde German lass, with very large tits and a little on the large side in general. I remember chatting with her for a while after a very while after the session. She told me she was a Uni stident in one of the states up north, but she came down one or two weekends a month to mark some cash.

I think alot of foreign girls that have been in Germany for quite a while to the point they are practically German in outlook started out as "talented amateurs" before becoming fixtures at the clubs. I'd put Koko in that category when she started out.

[Basketcase]

FKK PALACE

Day 5, Monday, 24 March 2008: FKK Palace

Introduction:

I got up to have my last breakfast at the Hotel Excelsior. I am leaving Frankfurt today but I have time to visit one more FKK as my flight back to the UK is not until 21:25 in the evening. I am told that Frankfurt Main airport and the train system is efficient and that I can allow just 2 hours getting from Frankfurt centre to the airport using public transport and check in on time.

I wanted to return to Oase for my last day but I had been there for the last 3 days and I had to fly out of Frankfurt so using public transport will be draining in terms of time and taking a taxi from Oase direct to the airport was expected to cost 45€ as quoted by a taxi driver because of the distance and that it was Easter Monday so penal rates were in force. I was torn but the logical side of me took heed and the decision was made to attend Palace.

FKK Palace:

One way travel from Frankfurt Hbf to Palace in Industriehof/Neue Borse was 2.20€ one way tram travel to get to club and the return journey by S5 train to Frankfurt airport terminal 1 would be 3.60€ train from Palace. I took my luggage with me.

I paid my entrance fee to FKK Palace 75€ and got into my uniform of just wearing a towel. The Palace reception took my luggage and stored it behind the front desk.

Arriving inside FKK Palace at 11:30am on Easter Monday, 24 March I found the place was quiet and did not start filling up really until 6pm. At 11:30am there was 5 girls and about slightly more in number of guys.

The interesting development that made the girls scarcer in the afternoon was the arrival of about a dozen Italian men dropping the boy to girl ratio to 3:1. This meant that there was less hassle factor as there were ample men to go around for the girls. In the London private party scene the ideal ratio of men to women I think is 3:1 as men cannot repeat again as quick as the women. So while one guy is in session the other two are recuperating getting ready for their next session in turn. It also meant that the girl would be sufficiently busy to avoid the need for her to hard sell herself as she had a steady source of customers.

The girls at Palace, in general I observed were processing guys at the rate one every 10-15 minutes. Once you come then out you go. Not good going guys. There was no way I could recuperate from a come in 45 minutes for it to become my turn again. When I was at Oase when I finished early the girl would let me use the remaining time to do something else together like kissing, mutual massages or DATY. So no post coital play afterwards was on offer in general unless the guys were the love them and leave them types.

This is Amsterdam Red Light District style turnover. I would spend a fair amount of time observing a girl on my rounds in the Amsterdam Red Light District estimating how long guys were in the kamers for. Invariably they were in and out in less than 15 minutes and in many cases much less and that includes taking their clothes off and putting them back on again. At least in a FKK you have no need to undress except for dropping your towel. The girl is already naked.

By fortuitous chance I met up with one of the ISG members that I saw last Sunday night at Oase. I was very happy to see him and listened to his advice on what to look out for in terms of a good session girl. I admitted that as I was new to this FKK system that I could only go on looks and what I liked. It did not seem like the Amsterdam Red light district environment where you interview the girls on what they did and created a contract, although now with more research it seems that some guys interview the FKK girls in the style of Amsterdam Red Light District style as to what was available or not for that matter.

The German guys I met at Palace were all good guys. One guy I watched getting blown in the kino and when he finished in the girl’s mouth he and I exchanged thumbs up signs. Later on in the showers we chatted and back in the kino we struck up more conversation about the girls and the FKK scene. It is just a friendly atmosphere as we are all here for the same thing and there are girls to go around. No need for any conflict.

There was an interesting incident where the dozen Italian guys were camped out in the smoking room while I was having lunch sitting at one of the high table looking into the smoking room. There were two blondes in the smoking room entertaining the Italian guys then I think the situation was devised that the two blondes should suck a guy each and see who could get one off first. What followed was a very vigorous BBBJ with CIM competition. The guys were talking and joking as the girls went to work on two guys lying on the sofas in the smoking room. The Russian blonde won with a mouthful of come as her reward and 100€. Funnily enough the Italian guys paid the girls from the wallet that they were holding in their robes and they did not bother to go shower afterwards. I thought watching this would spoil my lunch but I managed to gulp it down just like the girls gulped down the men’s vital essences.

The Women:

I had three sessions between two girls: blonde Sunny from Lithuania (one session) and blonde Angelina or Gina from Czech Republic (two sessions). This was my last hooray:

* Sunny from Lithuania: –

Sunny from Lithuania looks like British blonde It Girl Tamara Beckwith. She is tall, very perky C Cup breasts with nipples that pointed to the sky and wore a short pink fluorescent skirt and heels. Sunny is slim, leggy and had a distinctive tattoo on her right hand side that covered the side and reached out to her pierced right breast. It was a bit different sucking and licking a nipple with a piercing in it feeling the metal bit circling in your mouth.

I met Sunny in the kino and she came at the time when I would like to session. Sunny joined me on the mattress and proceeded to perform a BBBJ on me in the kino. We then moved to a room at the far side where the massage room was. Sunny performed more BBBJ on me and then moved to sex. I was not at my best after 4 days of this already so it too a big effort to unload over her backside. I really wanted to coat her cute tight arse with my come. I was impressed with the load that finally came out. I thought it would be a squirt but it was way more than that. My balls must be working overtime to replenish my reserves.

* Angelina or Gina from Czech Republic:-

Angelina or Gina from Czech Republic is a petite, big naturally breasted platinum blonde with blue eyes. She is cute with a small face. Her breasts must be E cup at least and they had a nice soft yielding and warm feel to them.

For my first session with Angelina:

I caught sight of Angelina while I was in the kino and she came over to offer me relief. She performed a BBBJ in the kino on me. Prior to proceedings she broke the ambiance by extracting a wet wipe from her hand bag and wiped my dick-head with the wet wipe before going down on me. I realized that this was her standard practice as I saw her do this to other guys in the kino.

After a bit of BBBJ we went to one of the rooms adjacent to the kino. Angelina offered me anal and said that she loves anal because of the feeling of a hard cock sliding into a tight place. You have got to love a girl that thinks like that. Maybe another time I could have Angelina’s arse but I did not feel like it today. Nonetheless we reverted back to where we left off of BBBJ. Angelina then applied a condom to enter the cowgirl position. It was not working so we took the condom off for more BBBJ. I then thought what was working was her pretty mouth so we changed positions so that I could hump her mouth while she laid down facing up. It was heavenly watching my dick mouth fuck her. Angelina has such a cute face and it looked so good having my dick in her mouth. Watching Angelina provided great visuals. I finished with CIM. A good punt was had with Angelina.

For my second session with Angelina:

My second session with Angelina had us start in the kino. It seems kino starts is a common theme for me now. I licked her big tits. The BBBJ was preceded by a wet wipe of my dick before Angelina sucked it.

When we moved to the room I sucked Angelina’s breasts again and moved down to her pussy. I gave her a few licks and then Angelina announced that pussy licking was for her boyfriend only. Oh well, not to worry back to me I suppose. Angelina knelt over me as I laid down for her to suck me. We then changed positions for different angles of prolonged oral sex. My little friend was having trouble lasting the session. I finished off with a nice long mouth fuck again.

Girls sighted at FKK Palace:

Ena from Lithuania:

Ena from Lithuania is a natural big breasted girl and big legs (please note not fat) with platinum blonde hair.

Alina from Russia:

Alina from Russia is a tall blonde girl with D cup breasts. She wore white lingerie set with bra and matching suspender belt but not panties. Nice. Alina had an angular face with distinct features. It was pointed out that it was she who two nights before was asking for 100€ for a half hour session. Given the business she was receiving today it may be that she had reduced her prices to the standard or she found a few takers at 100€ a pop.
Jennifer from Germany:

Jennifer from Germany is a tall redhead with medium build and b cup breasts.

Conclusion:

I spent 8 hours at Palace from 11:30am to 7:45pm taking lunch and dinner there. Palace was a nice finish to my 5 day FKK tour of Hessen. I am eager to return to Frankfurt for the pleasures that can be found here.

Kind regards

Londonbasketcase

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[Jackyo]

This is exactly the kind of anti-Hessen bigotry and holier than thou biasness I was referring to earlier. It is not easy to share perspectives without an open mind not clouded by pre-conceptions...

I've given up on Hessen, that is all.

As I've written, I would gladly do a tour of the Hessen clubs with those of you in the know.

[Ortos]

... but they tend not to work at large clubs.

Talented amateurs, as I call them: mostly German, strictly amateurs (as opposed to hardened pros) are tucked away in the smaller, out-of-the-way clubs, not the industrial style Fickfabriken.

These women exist and their rationale is simple: I will have sex anyway. I have bills to pay. Why not have sex and get these bills paid at the same time? And by the way, I don't like to have to travel far from where I live so if I am from the Ruhr, why not just work at a club in the Ruhr which is accessible via public transport but preferably not in the town I live in.

"Talented amateurs" is an excellent appellation. In my own mind I refer to them as free-lancers, but we are referring to the same thing.

I often see them at "Fickfabriken" type clubs, like Palace. Palace is full of them sometimes during weekends and Messe-zeiten. They are also a large part of the GT lineup too...Also, I've seen them at Oase. The old Atlantis used to be a real hub for this kind of girl. So don't dismiss their presence at larger clubs. They are not exclusive to small clubs...

Ortos

[Ortos]

... when i happen to have a day to kill before i catch a flight at fra.

by preference, i make arrangements not to have to catch a flight at fra.

thank goodness for the high speed train which links dus hbf and the fra airport and which can get you there in time to catch a midmorning flight.

why would one want to waste a precious day which could be spent elsewhere in germany?

besides, i find frankfurt lacking in charm.

give me a day in wuppertal (where cocoon is) any time. at least it has a schwebebahn.

if we were ever to synchronize things properly, i would be interested in seeing this club from your perspective.

i'll bring the shark repellent.


my friends from nrw, therefore, tend to stay in nrw. you might say that it is a part of my acculturation process that i'd adopted their ways.

this is exactly the kind of anti-hessen bigotry and holier than thou biasness i was referring to earlier. it is not easy to share perspectives without an open mind not clouded by pre-conceptions...

[Vito Corleone]

Were it not for Kim and a few others, he told me that he would completely swear off the place.

I'll second that! Kim is the only reason I bothered to visit in Feb. I know she seems aloof at first, but she rocks my world & her model looks just drive me crazy! I also did a really tall, blonde hotlooking Polish chick too. Sorry, I forgot her name.

[Vito Corleone]

P.S.: The difference between a photo of Julia and a photo of me: She does look much better ...

Wassup Mr. Bub,

I thought you looked pretty hot in person!

[Vito Corleone]

To Radler, Hessen Bub etc:
Maybe the answer is in your questions? The girls treat you different because you are regular customers. I don’t know, but it’s strange that your experiences are so much different from many of us who only visit once in a while.

I re-visited Palace last October after a 1 year boycott in which I vowed to only return to burn the place down. In my last 3 trips to Germany, I was able to hook up with Hessen Bub & get the 411 on the women I was intested in (close to half of the lineup). I am not sure if I was treated different because the women saw us hanging & talking together or because they saw me spend over 12 total hours with Denise from Romania during my 4 visits in Feb.

I had a great time with some (Kim, Denise, Jenna, forgot the other names) women & some crappy ones. Salome from Brazil tried to rip me off & some hungarian chick wanted 100 E (30 minutes, no extras) because she had to work really hard. I just had to laugh after that one, but a Romanian chick @ Oase did the same thing during my trip.

Like Ortos said, you need to learn how to play poker @ different tables & ski on a wide variety of styles.

[Vito Corleone]

Now that is one way to look at it!

My RF contacts do not visit this club, by the way. These are guys who live there and know better.

(I apologize for my late commentary on the posts on this thread but I'm still catching up on my reading after my hiatus.)

Jackyo,

Traveling as far as I do & the level of "CRAP" service here in the US, a little shark action does not bother me. There are some hot looking women who give good/great service @ Palace, people just have to find them. I prefer hot looking women with great model bods with ok service than some milf who rocks your world. That is just my preference.

Anyway, I would like to visit Bernds someday.

[Vito Corleone]

Trust me, my friend. You would need more than those few written snippets to peak into my sick, twisted and bent mind.

Wassup Deda,

All Nick needs is a hot looking MILF with big fake bolt-ons to get into that sick, twisted mind of yours!

[Ekliges Lauern]

To Radler, Hessen Bub etc:
Maybe the answer is in your questions? The girls treat you different because you are regular customers. I don’t know, but it’s strange that your experiences are so much different from many of us who only visit once in a while.

Of course I get treated differently because I am a semi-regular. That is the nature of things. It's no different at any club. I also make a point of repeating with women I like. The other women notice this and understand if I am sessioning with them, they are being "auditioned" and if I like them I will likely repeat. Don't think the women don't talk to each other about you. If you repeat, you become a desirable customer.

In the case you mentioned, I would have left the room and spoken to the manageress regarding the situation. I would not have paid the 50E. Likely outcome is the manageress would have informed the girl that she was obligated to have sex for the 50E, but if I wanted to back out given the situation, give the girl 20E to save face (and the BJ is never free, no matter how bad).

Flodhast, I would turn the question around to you. Do you observe the women interacting with customers and returning with customers before you make a selection? Do you choose based solely on appearance and pass up some of the better women service-wise? Are you "anti-extra/upsell" to the point it annoys the women? How do you treat the women? Do you compliment them and try to build a rapport?

Here's my point about upselling. I read so many comments about guys being upset about it. However, when Czech Linda takes your cock out of her mouth during a blow job and sweetly says "For only 50E more, you can cum in my mouth. I want to taste you." That's not upselling, that's erotic. Or when her friend Lena tells you while you are fucking her doggie style that she wants you to fuck her ass as she really likes that. In both cases I have declined with a smile and no problem. Look at it from the woman's point of view, if she offers to let you cum in her mouth or fuck her in the ass (for extra money, of course) and you get all pissy about it, it will color how she treats you for the rest of the session. She's there to make money, but she'd still a woman with feelings too.

At Palace, I spend quite alot of time selecting the women I session with. Obviously I have to find her attractive, but that is not my number one concern. As I get older, I find a wider variety of women attractive. I focus on service and observe the women with customers and in the Kino before committing. If you read my reports, you will see I tend to focus on more ordinary looking women, but go for better service. That's my preference. However, the women I go with repeatedly know I am passing over more attractive women over for them and thus there is something I really dig about each of them. Every woman wants to feel desireable. They tend to respond to this and I get better service as a result.

Also, out of my usual three sessions an evening, two are usually repeats with old favorites. What is your selection process?

[Zimmer]

To Radler, Hessen Bub etc:
Maybe the answer is in your questions? The girls treat you different because you are regular customers. I don’t know, but it’s strange that your experiences are so much different from many of us who only visit once in a while.

I don’t expect to get descent service from 100 % of the girls I session with but I do expect standard pricing and at Palace there is no such thing as standard prices, at least not for us visiting only once in a while. Of course we who know better take the girl to the management, but no matter how many clients who do this the same girls keep working at Palace and continue to rip customers off. It’s clear that Palace don’t care at all.

A few months ago I had to face a new situation. A girl told me after BBBJ that if I wanted to have sex it would be 100 euro extra. I tried my best to explain that I’ve been to the club numerous times before and know the prices well etc but no matter what I said she refused to have sex if I didn’t agree to pay 100 extra. Of course I refused but because of the BBBJ I still had to pay her the 50.
Now, I already hear you saying “Come on, it’s only 50 Euro!”. Yes it’s only 50 Euro and I don’t care about the 50 Euros but I don’t like to be ripped of!

I think most experienced people here will agree that this would not have happened at most of Palace competitors.
Knowing about some of the things that happen to us “Palace-haters” do you really blame us for writing non-positive reports?

I know there are also some great girls at Palace and I would certainly visit again if it wasn’t for the fact that I’m much less likely to get ripped of at other clubs.
Yes, some girls try their tricks at other clubs too but I definitely feel a lot safer there.

[Jackyo]

You will not find many part time cuties just looking to pay for some college.

... but they tend not to work at large clubs.

Talented amateurs, as I call them: mostly German, strictly amateurs (as opposed to hardened pros) are tucked away in the smaller, out-of-the-way clubs, not the industrial style Fickfabriken.

These women exist and their rationale is simple: I will have sex anyway. I have bills to pay. Why not have sex and get these bills paid at the same time? And by the way, I don't like to have to travel far from where I live so if I am from the Ruhr, why not just work at a club in the Ruhr which is accessible via public transport but preferably not in the town I live in.

[Jackyo]

btw jackyo: when was the last time you personally visited palace or any other hessen club? just curious how up-to-date you are with the scene down there?

thanks,

ortos

... when i happen to have a day to kill before i catch a flight at fra.

by preference, i make arrangements not to have to catch a flight at fra.

thank goodness for the high speed train which links dus hbf and the fra airport and which can get you there in time to catch a midmorning flight.

why would one want to waste a precious day which could be spent elsewhere in germany?

besides, i find frankfurt lacking in charm.

give me a day in wuppertal (where cocoon is) any time. at least it has a schwebebahn.

if we were ever to synchronize things properly, i would be interested in seeing this club from your perspective.

i'll bring the shark repellent.

i didn't answer your question: the last time i visited a club in hessen was probably in 06. i have suceeded in keeping up this streak since then and i have every intention of not breaking the streak.

my rf contacts literally have to drag me to hessen kicking and screaming. if they didn't offer to drive me there (and pay for the gas as well), i'd not go. hessen's advantage is that it is centrally located and so if i am to meet up with w from mannheim, a club in hessen is where i would link up with him.

most germans i know don't see the logic in driving out of the way to visit a club when they can usually get equivalent, if not better service at a club near where they live. the added benefit is that you become a member of the elite stammkunde for the club and get the know the girls better.

its the equivalent of saying that i prefer to buy my t-shirts at the gap store 300 kilometers away as opposed to buying them at a gap store which is around the corner from my house. a t-shirt is a t-shirt is a t-shirt.

my friends from nrw, therefore, tend to stay in nrw. you might say that it is a part of my acculturation process that i'd adopted their ways.