FKK Palace - Frankfurt

[Sandra Red]

Hi,

I am still at the palace. The girl was just asking if I am leaving. And I said yes. But I am not fired.

Hope to see you soon.

Bye bye

[Basketcase]

Several weeks ago I spent a very enjoyable hour with Sandra (red hair, German, bar code tattoo on back of neck). I was thinking of doing a repeat when the man with glasses who seems to run the Palace called her to the back by the women's locker room. A few minutes later she was dressed and leaving. Another girl at the coffee bar asked her if she was fired and she said yes. So, has anybody seen her lately (at the Palace or anywhere else) or know what happened?

The Palace management may have been reading this forum and thought it bad advertising or impolite that Sandra Red was posting here discussing the business.

Makes me want to run for cover regarding my posts now.

Kind regards

Londonbasketcase

[Fats]

Several weeks ago I spent a very enjoyable hour with Sandra (red hair, German, bar code tattoo on back of neck). I was thinking of doing a repeat when the man with glasses who seems to run the Palace called her to the back by the women's locker room. A few minutes later she was dressed and leaving. Another girl at the coffee bar asked her if she was fired and she said yes. So, has anybody seen her lately (at the Palace or anywhere else) or know what happened?

[West By Sun]

Everything is ephemeral. Memory must be wining. But I cannot forget Frederica.

[Ebauche]

To some extent I will have to give Radler credit here. Bernds excluded, in what other club does it NOT happen that girls interrupt to ask for CIM? No one that I know of at least. Anyway, glad that Isseu re-discovered F39. Cannot wait to read his report.

As I recall from my one-and-only visit to Club Residenz near Duisburg, CIM was included in the base zimmer rate.

Otherwise, not a club to write home about. 4-5 average girls, mediocre facility.

[Everhard]

interrupting it to make commercials for upsells

To some extent I will have to give Radler credit here. Bernds excluded, in what other club does it NOT happen that girls interrupt to ask for CIM? No one that I know of at least. Anyway, glad that Isseu re-discovered F39. Cannot wait to read his report.

[Ekliges Lauern]

This is probably more about Palace than Berdnt’s so I am posting it in the Palace thread.

I promise that this will be the last time that I weigh in on this issue. Radler- let's agree to disagree...

This will be my last post on the issue as well. We can agree to disagree.

The point of my posts was simply to point out Berndts is not without its downsides as well. The tone of the Berndts forum is that it is the club for Geniesser and that we go to the clubs to fuck and be suck by the women’s Ausstrahlung. Given the number of punters I know that have gone to the club and found it mediocre, I was just giving input based on my personal experience.

I am quite well aware of the downsides of Palace. In fact, I am close to crossing it off my list of clubs I return to regularly. I’m going to giving the place one last chance this fall, and if it disappoints again, it is going into my once visit a year category to see if anything has changed. Berndts is already in that category for me.

That is a big part of the appeal, and sadly, the prevalent attitude that it's Ok for the SP to fudge on service, charge extra for standard services that should be included in the basic session fee, and denigrate the standard service by interrupting it to make commercials for upsells, could ruin the whole FKK world if it spreads to other houses.

As previously mentioned, I’ve simply never run into the “charge extra for standard services that should be included in the basic session fee”. Of course, I generally don’t go for deep fingering of her Muschi or DATY unless the lady initiates it.

I do think that in the post you linked to, it is telling that Tan is still working at Palace as she is a known scammer. I can’t believe that there haven’t been numerous complaints about her. So that in and of itself is somewhat damning for Palace management.

As far as commercials for extras, it depends on the context. When a lady immediately tries to get you to commit to an hour, it is a warning sign and one should bail. However, if a lady during the course of a session lets you know FT or anal is on the menu and doesn’t have a problem if you decline, I don’t see what the issue is. Here is where I depart from the Berndts crowd. I don’t mind rewarding good service with an extra. Or repeating. I spend some time building chemistry with the women I session with. The women at the FKKs are there for economic reasons, and frankly if you are willing to recognize that and economically reward her with either repeat sessions, extra time or the occasional extra, she will likely value you as a customer. The converse is true as well. If you give off the attitude that you are there for the 50E program and you will likely not session again with her, it will influence the session you get. Some of the Berndts posters have noted that the level of service expected is better for regular customers. This is to be expected.

We should not support houses that allow this with our business, just as I would not give my business to a barber who would tell me once I'm shampooed and in the chair, that he''ll cut the front, but the sides and back will cost extra. That's why I stopped going to Palace and others and began giving the bulk of my FKK business to Bernd's, which is the last bastion preserving the old time service ethic.

Bad analogy. I’ve had exactly one experience at Palace where the provider has made getting a good session contingent on an upsell (more time). It was Tan. Frankly that time I disregarded my radar and should have taken my case to management.

The number of great sessions I have had at Palace far outweighs the negatives. By contrast, I’ve had some very good sessions at Berndts (Svetlana comes to mind) and some OK sessions. Nothing horrible, but nothing really memorable. You are welcome to vote with your feet and choose to reward clubs you like and I am likewise to reward clubs I like. Right now, my person ranking of the clubs is:

1. F39
2. GT and Oase
3. Palace
4. Berndts
5. World
6. CoLA
7. VV

Palace is down a couple of spots this year, and may fall further. But understand, it is all a matter of personal taste.

[Basketcase]

Might try Oase tomorrow. Let me know if anyone wants to hook up.

Marchway1,

If you are around on 7 June there wil be a group of ISGers at Oase. See the http://www.InternationalSexGuide.nl/forum/showthread.php?p=751809 . You are welcome to join us.

Regards

Londonbasketcase

[Basketcase]

New Blue

I am glad that you made it and gave us an informative and entertaining trip report. Well done. Danke schon.

The next girl just ignored me for a while and when she went to laydown on the couch by the hot tub I went over and sat next to her. Think a blonde Aria Giovanni but smaller 5'4" body and massive chest. She rolled over, cuddled up and started to stroke me. We stayed there for about 15 minutes and then I suggested that we go back to the room. She was enthusiastic at first but after about 20 minutes of BBBj and CG, she wanted me to do here Doggy, but I went for missionary. After about 5 minutes of her mailing it in I asked to get back on top for the finish. I have to say I did fuck the heck out of her. And even if she was not all there, it sure beats a rubber doll and she did let me go past the 30 minutes.

Your description of "The next girl just ignored me for a while and when she went to laydown on the couch by the hot tub I went over and sat next to her." makes me think that this petite but heavy chested blond Angelina of Czech Republic. Did she have a made up face, green eyes, long blond hair withba bit of a curl to them. Angelina has a tendency to hang out by the whirl pool to relax when not touting for business.

Angelina also likes sitting in the smoking room way the back near the Turkish lean to huts when she has her cigarette break.

Looking at your Aria Giovanni and putting blond hair on her mane of brunette hair convinces me more that this is Angelina of Czech. Read my trip reports where I have sessioned with her previously:

http://www.InternationalSexGuide.nl/forum/showthread.php?p=743776
http://www.InternationalSexGuide.nl/forum/showthread.php?p=727990

Angelina is a good girl and takes a hard fucking to earn her euros from you. As she is so cute and good looking and does a good job I do not last long inside her and love coming in her pretty mouth.

Kind regards

Londonbasketcase

[Marchway1]

Haven't been mongering much lately, but came to Frankfurt for business yesterday, and figured a trip to Palace couldn't hurt... Unfortunately, I was a bit dissapointed. I remember from my previous visits that the SP's where very fair and some of the appeal of the FKK (for me) has been the no-bullshit-atmosphere. Today, however, both the SP's I had sessions with upsold hard and in a dodgy way.

The line-up was quite decent, and after looking around for a good half hour I noticed a slim asian girl named Tam. Her appearance was just to my liking, petite, firm and cute. Before we went to the room, she was very charming as well... In the room she refused to go for 30 minutes, and insisted we had an hour. I guess I should have refused, but I was thinking with the wrong head and gave in. The session was not good. No DFK (even though she said she did that), lousy blowjob (more of a hand job really), and the sex was utterly uninspired. Finished in 20 minutes, but she still insisted I pay 100 euros. I guess I should have complained to the management, but I didn't want to seem difficult. I had, after all, accepted that we went for the whole hour.

Next was a full figured blonde from Romania. Can't remember her name (sorry!). She was very charming and constantly smiling, so I went with her even though she wasn't really my type. In the room I asked for CBJ, and she gave me a long lecture of how safe bareback is and how I should do CIM. I said I still wanted it covered, and she reluctantly accepted. Quite decent blowjob, but when we proceeded to sex, it got difficult. She claimed my dick was to big (it is average), and that I could only put it half way in. After a while I gave up, and asked her to blow me. She kept asking me to take the condom off and do CIM all the while, and that just ruined it for me. Gave up, and ended the session without coming.

I lost faith in the SP's, and headed over for a massage. The masseuse was a short thai woman, and it was my best session today... She gave the best massage, highly recommended!

Might try Oase tomorrow. Let me know if anyone wants to hook up.

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[New Blue]

NONSENSE! We were all newbies at some time. FKKs in general are as good as the mongering gets. Easy, fixed price (mostly, that is), and fixed level of service. Go and have a great time!

Not sure if it is good as it gets, but it is pretty good.

So I wandered over this week - it is as easy as it can get via the trains. It is also as unlikely of an establishment that you would find on the street.

I get there around 4:00 on a Tuesday and it's 75 E to get in. The cranky lady at the front has no time for me so I have only the description of this board - thanks! I go in and I am actually tired, the airline lost my bag and DB would not give me $Euros. After calling them, standing in line for the bag and generally being hot, get a train ticket, I left the airport with no bag and only $300. This is probably good.

My story was that I am new to Palace, but not the World and Oase, and my company has purchased a German manufacturer - which is true - and that I would be i frankfurt often.

In my mind, I had a bucket list of looks and or shapes that I would like to have and the first girl to approach is Alecia from the Dominican Republic/spain with a look that I could have cut out of Perfect 10 as a poster child of my desire. 24, perfect hard body and natural tits, about 5'9" and light brown. Yum.

She begs, she offers her columbian friend for the trio and I tell here i need some coffee first and I will come and find here. She stays put for the better part of a half hours and tells be about the girls and there behavior and she rubs her rather large brown nipples on my back, hands and arms.

She was not pushy at all.

She finally makes her offer - two pops whatever I want, GFE action and a full body massage for $100. We did not do much but she made sure her tits had a lot of contact with my member during the BBBJ and she also made sure that they were in my hands, face, mouth a or just bouncing around during CG to another finish. Then she gave me the massage - but she position me so that I could watch her. All in all a good deal.

I return to the bar for another coffee and the line -up begins. There had t be about 25 girls and maybe 8 guys at that time of day. had a number rub their bodies on my while rubbing under my nether regions.

I watch a bit of Kino action, I move to a back room couch and watch girls come and go. I was trying to observe responses when I observe something else. Two of them really.

The next girl just ignored me for a while and when she went to laydown on the couch by the hot tub I went over and sat next to her. Think a blonde Aria Giovanni but smaller 5'4" body and massive chest. She rolled over, cuddled up and started to stroke me. We stayed there for about 15 minutes and then I suggested that we go back to the room. She was enthusiastic at first but after about 20 minutes of BBBj and CG, she wanted me to do here Doggy, but I went for missionary. After about 5 minutes of her mailing it in I asked to get back on top for the finish. I have to say I did fuck the heck out of her. And even if she was not all there, it sure beats a rubber doll and she did let me go past the 30 minutes.

All said it was good. My plan was three but the fine german DB had issues. I had some dinner and walked out, walked down the street and got on the train.

I will say it is not better than real GFE, but it was a blast - I mean when I came out of the shower, there were 21 naked chicks just waiting around to do whatever I would pay for. Only one gal gave me a hard time and I almost had to drag her to the front desk to get rid of here. Everyone else was great.

Cheers.

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[Ekliges Lauern]

I imagine that as a newbie I am shark meat anywhere. I have travelled and have businesses in latin america and seem to be able to resist the "sell" and I think that it is funny that the guy's are always German bankers. I also have lived in europe for a time and at least I don't look like a rube.

But this is new. And like cliff jumping, if you at going to go ten meters, you are just as committed for 50. Wish me luck and send any recent names of good girls.

New

True, but suggest you start out with the 50E standard session until you get you sea legs under you. If you get good service, reward the girl by repeating, extending the session or doing a legitimate extra. Many girls have the short program for guys they think will fuck them once for 50E and never again. There is a girl-vine and they will talk about you with their friends whether you are a good customer or not. And it will influence the service you get with other girls in her clique.

Suggest you spend some serious time observing the girls returning from the room. You are looking for a couple of things. Body language, do they look like a happy couple or do they look pissed off at each other. Also, I know this sounds strange, but look at the guys face. Really study it, as if you are playing poker. Does he look happy and satisfied or does he look pissed off. The last thing to look for is frequency a girl is going to the room. An average looking girl going to the room alot is doing something right. I like to set a one hour rule. I will not session within one hour of entering the club. This gives you time to observe and narrow your candidates.

The Kino is the friend of the informed consumer. Many a lady have I selected after observing her with another bloke in the Kino.

The correct answer to the question of is it your first time here is no. The correct answer for are you in Germany on vacation or for work is work. If she thinks she will never see you again, this is the quickest route to the short program.

Politely turn down each woman as she approaches you but leave open the possibility of a later session. Does she get bitchy and increasingly insistent (bad sign)? Or does she smile, kiss you and be on her way (good sign)?

As for recommendations, the Russian/Ukrainian trio of Elena/Yulia/Irena has produced nice results for me. Sandra Red and her friend Selina had also been nice sessions. Chinese Koko (Friday and Saturday night only, and not always) is good. Thai Bea is well regarded by the forum. Iraqi Lena was great as well.

[Euro100]

I imagine that as a newbie I am shark meat anywhere. I have travelled and have businesses in latin america and seem to be able to resist the "sell" and I think that it is funny that the guy's are always German bankers. I also have lived in europe for a time and at least I don't look like a rube.

But this is new. And like cliff jumping, if you at going to go ten meters, you are just as committed for 50. Wish me luck and send any recent names of good girls.

New

NONSENSE! We were all newbies at some time. FKKs in general are as good as the mongering gets. Easy, fixed price (mostly, that is), and fixed level of service. Go and have a great time!

[New Blue]

As a newbie at Palace, you will be targeted for shark attack. Expect girls to approach you very insistently. Unless you are very confident you can swim in the shark infested waters, suggest Oase may be better for your first FKK experience.e.

I imagine that as a newbie I am shark meat anywhere. I have travelled and have businesses in latin america and seem to be able to resist the "sell" and I think that it is funny that the guy's are always German bankers. I also have lived in europe for a time and at least I don't look like a rube.

But this is new. And like cliff jumping, if you at going to go ten meters, you are just as committed for 50. Wish me luck and send any recent names of good girls.

New

[Ekliges Lauern]

Hi Radler,

I think this Yulia of Ukraine/Romania is the girl that I went with 3 times on my first ever FKK visit back in March 2008. She really rocked my world in terms of sucking me to completion. She just knew how to push my buttons to extract the FT bonus from me.

I still have fond memories of that Thursday night before Easter - first sessioning with Czech Linda and then having Yulia take me.

I got given a right blasting on this Palace thread believing that she was Yulia of Ukraine when a bunch of more knowledgeable guys than me who know her say she is Yulia of Romania. I could not tell the difference if she was Romanian or Basque. She just did the business for me.

Is she is about 1.7 metres tall, blond hair to her shoulders, silicon boobs but very nicely done to a C/D cup. Slim build. Okay legs. Attractive girl with really nice BJ lips? Did not talk much (probably because her mouth was full for most of our sessions). Seemed happy to do what I wanted especially when there was a FT bonus involved.

I can still picture the look of her sucking my come from me and holding it in her mouth and letting a little bit dribble out as she went to find a tissue to spit it out into.

Yulia is a right goer in the kino and I started most of my sessions in the kino with her and ended in the room. I just loved coming in her mouth. She also had a really good technique of playing with my balls and underside in between my arse crack and balls that had me climbing the walls.

Ever since March 2008 I have not seen Yulia ever again. I think the reason is that I visit mainly on Mondays or Sundays which I guess are not the days that Yulia works at Palace.

Ahhh, memories of Yulia.

Regards

Londonbasketcase

Different girl. My Yulia was blonde with a very pretty face, but a little thicker and had B cup natural breasts. Not very talkative, shyer than her red-headed friend, but a very good Kino cock-sucker.

You have to understand, those of us who have been doing this for years have the Romanian, Russian/Ukrainian and Polish accents down pat. Hence the good natured ribbing.