Bangkok Reports

[NicFrenchy]

am making a real effort to get out.

You know OTH, on one side you are absolutely right about thailand and its dark sides but is leaving LOS really what you want?

I mean, The work hassles you will also find in any country (yes, maybe not as bas as LOS) but what about the lifestyle?
You speak Thai fluently so a lot of doors are open for you here, a lot of women too, are you ready to sacrifice readily available sex?

Also, Assuming you are in a very comfortable position financially, would you be able to save money if back to the Maple Leaf Land?

Speaking for myself, in my line of work I get often job offers from head hunting companies but I always refuse, I am happy in LOS and in my job so far. Lots of money (means lots of savings), lots of pussy and lots of fun!
However in a couple of years I will be looking for a serious gf, and she certainly will not be Thai (or so I hope) because I will not be able to deal with the cultural differences.

I know they treat Foreigners like shit here, but once the Visa adn work permit stuff is out the way (once a year) then life is good for the most part.

[Daddy07]

OTH...You ..., fuck hot university students...

For that alone, I'd put up with a whole lot of bullshit.

[Daddy07]

So does BBBJ = Bear Back Blow Job?

AT2

No. It's Bear BITE Blow Job!

[Traveler1234]

But, firstly Thailand is a much richer and more developed country than just about any other in the region, with the exception of China.

Perhaps the grass isn't any greener elsewhere. But, at least other more developed areas of the world have laws which are actually enforced, and act as a deterrent to being openly abused and exploited. As a result of the heirachy of Thai society, Thais aren't used to expecting or giving fair treatment.

OTH

You've got a good gig going in LOS. You mingle with high society, fuck hot university students and have a decent life style. If you think it's easier in other Asian countries, please be prepared for some major surprises.

Even in a society as legalistic and regimented as Singapore, you would be surprised at what can happen if you [CodeWord140] off the wrong people. Enjoy what you have -- the grass isn't much greener elsewhere my friend

[AsiaTraveler2]

I realize English is your second language, so hesitate to tease -- but just such a perfect little mistake there. You obviously meant BEERS (the beverage) and not BEARS (the dangerous animal).

So I just wonder, if you take a bear overnight for only 55 baht, does the hotel make sure to take their ID? Definitely a good bargain for guys who like their sex on the adventurous side. But I'd be a bit leery of the BBBJ.

So does BBBJ = Bear Back Blow Job?

AT2

[Old Thai Hand]

You think Thai is the only place that tries to screw over foreigners? It is not as bad as other places I have to be in.
Try Manila, try Oceania, even China can get down right nasty. Thai is not innocent but it is not unique in this regard.

Of course you're right about other parts of the region. Hell, I experienced the same kind of attitude even when I lived in the Caribbean, which is why I've had it with the 3rd World, in general and am making a real effort to get out.

But, firstly Thailand is a much richer and more developed country than just about any other in the region, with the exception of China. It's certainly much further ahead than PI. The Thais don't think of themselves as 3rd World, especially the type of Thais with whom Giotto and I deal. And as I said previously, they're just as likely to screw each other, as well.

Perhaps the grass isn't any greener elsewhere. But, at least other more developed areas of the world have laws which are actually enforced, and act as a deterrent to being openly abused and exploited. As a result of the heirachy of Thai society, Thais aren't used to expecting or giving fair treatment. So for Farang, coming out of societies that are more equitable and regulated, the situation here becomes unbearable after awhile. I currently have a labour lawyer in a constant state of red alert because of the ongoing blatant and fraudulent behaviour of my employer - a situation, all too common here, that would be far less likely in the West. Fortunately, if I have to pursue legal action, I'll win, even here. I've won actions twice before. But, it just becomes so tiresome to have to do this time and again.

[Jimmy Red Cab]

Can anyone answer this question as fact or fiction:

On my last visit (2006) to LOS the girls in Bangkok Pay for play seem to come to work if they wanted to thus no additional bar fine if they wanted to stay with us longer?? vs. The girls in Patttaya had to come to work like a regular job and if they stayed with their customer they still had to pay the bar fine.
Can anyone shine some light on this?

Not all Bangkok girls can come and go as they like, it depends if they are on a wage or not.
I met a girl on my last trip from one of the Rainbow bars who pleases herself when she comes in and when she goes but she does not get paid apart from ladydrinks and barfines.
The bars tolerate this because a pretty girl can easily ponce a dozen ladydrinks before she gets barfined.

[AliasDonkey]

Can anyone answer this question as fact or fiction:

On my last visit (2006) to LOS the girls in Bangkok Pay for play seem to come to work if they wanted to thus no additional bar fine if they wanted to stay with us longer?? vs. The girls in Patttaya had to come to work like a regular job and if they stayed with their customer they still had to pay the bar fine.
Can anyone shine some light on this?

[Member #3428]

The "general usual transaction" - what is that? Sex for a monger?

Let's talk about business transactions. 90 % of the quotations I get ( as a farang hotel owner ) are completely overpriced - at least twice as much as a usual quotation to a Thai would be. Many times more than that. All that despite the fact that we ask the companies not to add any "farang surcharge".

Is that a "general usual transaction" ?


Giotto

Majority of the time it is still safe for mongers picking up girls in Thai. Unless you claim it is no longer safe for people to take girls in thailand. That is the general usual transaction... In other parts there is a larger chance of getting rolled then in Thai.

Business dealings... that is a separate issue. I'm sure you don't get the quotes yourself, you get someone else to get the quotes and send local thai's out shopping. It is same as everywhere in the world. You think it is so much different in PI or other countries? You think Thai has the lock on overcharging foreign business owners? You think Thai is the only place that tries to screw over foreigners? It is not as bad as other places I have to be in.

Try Manila, try Oceania, even China can get down right nasty. Thai is not innocent but it is not unique in this regard.

[Amjeck]

And if you think the Thais distinguish between farang living here and farang tourist - in regards of ripping somebody off - wrong, no difference, we all are the walking ATM machines.

Yep.

All farangs are in the same boat. Some have better seats on the boat, but still in the same boat

[Giotto]

He lived it and there will always be exceptions, that is not every day. I'm talking the general usual transaction. 98% of the time you pick up a girl, you take her to your room, you bang her, you pay her, she leaves. Maybe 2% of the time you have an issue in Thailand. In other countries the percentage goes way down and it is much riskier. Thai is still safe compared to other countries and I am still surprised there are not more reports of mongers being rolled.

The "general usual transaction" - what is that? Sex for a monger?

Let's talk about business transactions. 90 % of the quotations I get ( as a farang hotel owner ) are completely overpriced - at least twice as much as a usual quotation to a Thai would be. Many times more than that. All that despite the fact that we ask the companies not to add any "farang surcharge".

Is that a "general usual transaction" ?


Giotto

[Member #3428]

But - no need to fight - you will learn it the hard way! Believe me!

Not fighting, just different view points. And not to worry, have seen and learned my share. The latest TGF is going out the door. So no worries.

[Giotto]

...
if you want utopia... good luck.

Kansak KTV,

I don't want Utopia - a quiet live amongst honest people would be OK!

You think Thailand is Utopia, when you say that the "Majority of the working girls in thai and thai people are safe and honest (won't steal your mobile etc..)" ... and this is wrong! They might not steal your mobile, but that doesn't make them honest!

But - no need to fight - you will learn it the hard way! Believe me!


Giotto

[Member #3428]

Tansak KTV,

Now - you please give me a break.

More drastic - killing somebody to get rid of him, to take over the house, furniture, interior etc. etc. seams to be quite "drastic" to me.


Giotto

He lived it and there will always be exceptions, that is not every day. I'm talking the general usual transaction. 98% of the time you pick up a girl, you take her to your room, you bang her, you pay her, she leaves. Maybe 2% of the time you have an issue in Thailand. In other countries the percentage goes way down and it is much riskier. Thai is still safe compared to other countries and I am still surprised there are not more reports of mongers being rolled.

[Member #3428]

And if you think the Thais distinguish between farang living here and farang tourist - in regards of ripping somebody off - wrong, no difference, we all are the walking ATM machines.

And - to top it - the professionalism behind all this is unique in Asia. Other countries are showing similar phenomenons, but in my POV it is not as bad as it is here.

We all have our own perspective. When it comes to the part about distinguishing the difference between tourists and visitors and living... I am speaking of my own culture, not thai. I agree that thai would not distinguish as it is too large where as my slice of hell is small. We do however distinguish the difference.

I disagree on the other parts of asia / Oceania, some (many) are living hell compared to thai. Some more relatively recent or newer or modern cities are not as bad I will concede (but they are more sterile and lack the vibrant color other places have). But do not imagine the grass is greener on the other side my friend... we all have our own slice of hell and it can be everywhere. If you want utopia... good luck.