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05-19-09 02:49 #2899
Posts: 524Letter?
Originally Posted by Amerioca
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05-19-09 00:42 #2898
Posts: 1328All kidding aside, there appears to be a campaign to discourage people from visiting Mexico, Tijuana or the Zona Norte. It's going on here at this site. I have no interest in whether a particular monger decides to come to TJ to get laid, if he thinks it's dangerous and doesn't want to "risk it," then that's his call. Our esteemed member "Double" appears to be leading the charge.
Let me try to reply to some of the points raised in his post:
Originally Posted by Double
It doesn't matter what was in the note. Besides, it's part of an ongoing investigation and the contents might never be released because it might contain the names of prominent Mexican officials or police officers.
I have a question, why would someone that lives in Chula Vista need to go to TJ to get drugs when Chula Vista has drugs some of the most connected drug dealers in the country living there? Why would a gang connectted dealer need to risk crossing the border with drugs when you can get them wholesale right there in Chula Vista.
Why can't the powers at be in Mexico figure out that the problem is not with the people that go to party or vacation in Mexico, or with the Americans that share a common border with them, the problem is right there at home with the people that they have trusted with their health, safety, and welfare.
So be specific please.
However, I don't want to loose focus-what did the letter say?
Should we take the word of the heinous killers as to why the brutalized a group of teenagers?
These "kids" came here, got involved in the drug business and got killed incidental to that activity. They didn't come here to go dancing; I see bus-loads of American students dancing every Friday and Saturday night at the El Torito bar on Revolution Blvd, they all seem to be having a great time and they all get home safely and in one piece.
So let's talk in specifics, not generalities that we see so often in the press. People deserve to know the truth and to get a feel for what is actually going on here instead of bleeding from the eyeballs at the hysterical reports I see and hear.
Country John
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05-19-09 00:09 #2897
Posts: 845Originally Posted by Double
Back to mongering: I am going down tomorrow despite the fact you guys are making even me paranoid! Last week the door guy was sweeping the floor outside my room and dropped the broom causing me to jump off the girl in my nervous state.
TJ
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05-18-09 19:07 #2896
Posts: 894Me too!
What did the letter say?
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05-18-09 17:18 #2895
Posts: 153The note
It is also interesting that you have made a reference to the note and failed to tell us what was on the note as well. Don't be like the US media, tell us what was on the note.......fill us all in.
I have a question, why would someone that lives in Chula Vista need to go to TJ to get drugs when Chula Vista has drugs some of the most connected drug dealers in the country living there? Why would a gang connectted dealer need to risk crossing the border with drugs when you can get them wholesale right there in Chula Vista.
Why can't the powers at be in Mexico figure out that the problem is not with the people that go to party or vacation in Mexico, or with the Americans that share a common border with them, the problem is right there at home with the people that they have trusted with their health, safety, and welfare.
However, I don't want to loose focus-what did the letter say?
Should we take the word of the heinous killers as to why the brutalized a group of teenagers?
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05-18-09 16:08 #2894
Posts: 307Sunday mornining, enroute to SY, I briefly saw the headline of the Frontera newspaper. A cheif of police was whacked over the weekend.
The four were murdered because of association. The cartels take no prisoners. It's interesting how the US media does not report what was written on the letter left with the bodies.
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05-18-09 13:03 #2893
Posts: 1185Originally Posted by hornytraveler
i didn't have the luxury of growing up with my zip code being 90210. i wasn't raised in the ghetto either. it was more a blue collar area. although, i did know of these two respectable and nice looking girls in my school who where in the drug trade. they where sellers. i don't know where they got their supply from though. could of been tj or they where being supplied by local traffickers. of course they followed the rule of "don't get high on your own supply." they where basically already getting somewhere with the drug business. i wonder what ever happened to them.
but yeah, these other high school girls that got murdered could have been in the same position and where simply trying to refill their supplies and things went horribly wrong. i haven't kept up to date on the murders but i don't think they've mentioned anything about the girls being raped.
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05-18-09 12:56 #2892
Posts: 644Not Going to Play Your Game
Originally Posted by Pelongera
The place is full of old buildings, shops and bars. Open your eyes.
If I was really trying to BS you, google is my friend.
No matter what I say you will bat it down which I knew from the beginning.
If you are suggesting I have not spend time in Tijuana multiple times (since 2000) where I have walked and (stupidly) drove around, yeah OK think that.
Hell, I would love to see a real bull fight.
I have not got bored in Tijuana even with back to back 3-4 day stays with a 2 week gap. Being bored is a reflection on one's own limited mind.
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05-17-09 23:50 #2891
Posts: 894Originally Posted by efjayel
i don't think those 4 american teens were in the big business of drugs, they probably just got killed because they were in the wrong place saw something, or maybe a group of gang raped the girls and robbed the guys and then killed them?
young 18 and 19 yrs old nice school girls in the big drug business????
a lot of very young teens do cocaine and shit, that doesn't mean they're drug dealers, that's one of the reasons they go to tj for the **** drinking, party and to get high.
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05-17-09 22:51 #2890
Posts: 2422In my opinion, the Zona is one of the most heavily patrol areas in Tijuana. Even the cops there tend to behave themselves. I suspect that it's because the Zona is one of the most reliable money makers in Tijuana, and everyone gets a little piece of the action. And so each has a personal interest in watering the money tree.
It's the areas between the Zona & the border that is dangerous. So don't wander around particularly at night. If you can't help it, take the map listed on this site so you don't get lost.
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05-17-09 20:42 #2889
Posts: 97Originally Posted by Sgt Perv
And your vacant reply doesn't fool me, either, for it's the kind of statement someone makes when they cannot produce substance, I. E. When they don't know what they're talking about.
Of course, you can always prove that you do know what you're talking about by identifying at least one structure in Tijuana (besides Esmeralda's nipples) that has any architectural merit.
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05-17-09 06:50 #2888
Posts: 1185You shouldn't be walking on the street, a car could hit you. The sidewalks are perfectly fine as long as you stay on the beaten paths.
I avoid walking near suspicious people. I try to stay behind them when I walk to keep an eye on them and if they are behind me I walk fast to get away from them or stop and act like I'm looking at my watch or cell, give myself enough time so they'll pass me. I always keep an extra pair of eyes on the back of my head.
I don't talk to anyone on the street. Especially the scum who keep asking me if I am looking for a girl or if I need anything. I keep walking, they get the idea. I also ignore the Barkers in front of the bars. The real persistent ones will put their arm on my back and try to direct me into the bar. I just tell them to talk to the hand and keep walking. Some of the bars lose my business because of the barkers. If I want to try a bar, I will try it on my own free will and not because I'm being forced to go into them.
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05-17-09 02:50 #2887
Posts: 517Zona Norte Still Safe, But You Have To Be Careful
I am reading that it is a good time to go to TJ because it is a buyers market, but is it safe?
So if you're not in the drug business and you stick to the zona norte you should be perfectly safe.
That said, I have seen some anecdotal reports indicating an uptick in low level street crime in Tijuana, such as purse snatchings and muggings. For visitors to the zona norte the main risk is the rateros, who are guys that sneak up behind you, apply the sleeper hold and then steal your valuables before you wake up. These guys were a problem back in the mid 90s, but then the police cracked down and they were not a serious threat for many years.
Lately, however, the turmoil in the ranks of the police department has reduced somewhat the number of officers on patrol and the vigor of those who are still on duty. So it would seem the rateros and other low lifes are enjoying a bit of a resurgance.
For the typical zona norte visitor the rateros are nothing to worry about. Just be sure to take a taxi back and forth from the border, and stick to the well-worn path between the big three clubs. Indeed, with the demise of the Chicago Club and the new entrance for the Hong Kong Club, it's possible to restrict your movements to about 40 feet of sidewalk, never even crossing the street.
If you must expand you movements in the zona, all the old rules apply. Keep you head on swivel, walk in the street, don't get too drunk and generally be street smart.
Bunky
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05-17-09 02:24 #2886
Posts: 33Re: Trip Report -- Thursday, May 14
Bunky's report and his mentioning of a gorgeous Adelitas girl is taking me back to my earlier trip to Guadalajara and its beautiful women. There is a reason why in Mexico "las tapatias", as they are called, are considered to be the most beautiful. They truly are.
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05-17-09 02:02 #2885
Posts: 644Read
Originally Posted by Double