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08-13-09 03:48 #816
Posts: 644All Are Good
All are good ideas during a mugging (do not forget about the belt with a nice buckle). The best is preventing the attack from starting. I believe your best tool is keeping your head on a swivel because these guys seem not to want you to be able to recognize them. It seems to me that if they know you have seen their face, they will not want to attack you in the first place. Both reports have indicated that they were distracted/fixated on other things. It is like driving, check your rear view mirror every few seconds depending on traffic, so to speak. If someone is trying to hide their face (red flag), then look more so they notice you have seen them. Please keep in mind these guys are attacking with 2:1 odds (another thing to look for), that look-out/pickpocket may come to assist in a struggle (meaning you do not have control in the first 3-5 seconds). Stopping it from starting is your best, safest defense. Just say NO to any bling and keep your money in separate pockets with a stash hidden in your shoe, sock money belt or underwear (piece of duck tape helps secure it) just in case.
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08-13-09 00:30 #815
Posts: 3359A roll of quarters is another good, legal "weapon" that is relatively easy to explain. Works with either a straight punch or the safer hammer punch (why break your hand?) Nickels or dimes are better, depending on the size of your fist, but harder to explain. A potato in a sock is good in the Yew Ess but I wouldn't want to have to explain it in TJ, plus it's really meant for the jacket pocket and at 1:30 PM in August a jacket might be tough to explain as well. A cheap metal watch is good, but might attract attention since these punks are too dumb to know a cheap watch from a good one. But slip it across your knuckles with the crystal facing out and you can really open someone's face up.
Resisting is risky. I do it, but I probably wouldn't if I had a family to support. But carry a camera anywhere in Latin America and you increase your odds of trouble exponentially. Don't even get me started about jewelry.
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08-13-09 00:12 #814
Posts: 176Super Spy Stuff
Originally Posted by Efjayel
PS Joking aside, that is a damn good idea, next time I'll have a Bic handy.
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08-11-09 16:30 #813
Posts: 272Originally Posted by Country John
You guys be careful out there. It's going to get a lot worse before it gets better.
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08-11-09 03:21 #812
Posts: 1185Next time I'm going to hide my ID in my shoe. If they where to take my money, that's fine, not too big of a loss but I can't go without my ID. I'm a Permanent Resident, not a Citizen so it would be worse for me trying to cross the line back without ID.
Mike, good to hear you are not discouraged from going back. I'm guessing you will obviously be more alert. I carry a pen or a pencil with me whenever I go to TJ. It's not a weapon so the police can't stop you over it but in a situation like yours, if you react quick enough you could have whipped it out and take out an eye or something. I really doubt these guys where armed to begin with. Could have been possible to turn the tables.
By the way, did you get a look at these guys and would you be able to identify them if you see them again?
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08-10-09 23:30 #811
Posts: 3214Originally Posted by Country John
This matches the same circumstances of my mugging that I posted in the TJ thread a few weeks ago. It was about 12:45 in the afternoon, on Constitucion. Luckily I was able to struggle enough to where the guys lost interest and beat it before I could identify them and I didn't lose anything. And I had absolutely NO bling outside of a cheap pair of sunglasses.
Unless they looked like Japanese tourists with cameras hanging around their necks, I can see no fault with their behavior. I agree that one shold leave the CCs and ATMs at home, but you still have to have cash and a passport, and that was what was taken from one of the victims. I note that the police were oh-so-helpful to a couple of tourists in obvious distress.
This is starting to happen all too often. If the shithead bar owners are so short sighted that they can't get together and pony up for some private security, well, their business deserves to suffer.
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08-10-09 22:16 #810
Posts: 1185He miss pronounced street names. If I translated correctly he was mugged on Articulo 123 and Constitucion. Where I marked on this map;
http://img263.imageshack.us/img263/8233/muggedmap.gif
That street is an area that sees a moderate amount of foot traffic on a busy day. You should see see people walking around at least every half-minute or so. So it's not exactly a deserted street. There should also be the occasional paraditas around that area as well.
Cj, 1:45PM isn't late. If anything that's early. Good time for the tourists and towns people running around doing errands.
The guy said he had both a digital camera and digital video recorder so I'm guessing both where not concealed but in plain view. That would be a major factor as to why they got jumped. Being two of them didn't help obviously. Maybe they could have avoided it if they had walked separately. One watching the other's back.
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08-10-09 22:11 #809
fka Captain Solo
Posts: 2409The wrong place at the wrong time
Reallyaniceguy and Phordfan both reported being jumped on the same street, which is Constitution heading south, toward the top of the hill.
This stretch of the street is dark, has a few run down bars, no security cameras, blind alleys. A very good place for robbers to set up ambush. They can hide in the dark and spot the gringos a mile away. They would probably jump anyone for a few pesos, with or without blings.
Mongers should stay in the alley and around HK, Adelita etc. Where there are security cameras, and avoid wondering out to the side streets, even in daytime.
Owners of the bars in La Zona, if they know what they are doing, should find ways to buy some protection.
Originally Posted by Country John
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08-10-09 21:12 #808
Posts: 1328ReallyNiceGuy get's Mugged
Originally Posted by ReallyaNiceGuy
The thing that probably gave you up was the cameras. You have to learn to leave the bling at home or in the car as well as other important things like cash, credit cards etc. This is first year monger stuff and you should have known better.
Why in the world were you walking in that area so late with cool stuff?
Look, if you want to roam around in the Zona Norte, you need to learn how to be smart, low profile etc.; by the sounds of things you already had your first class, a hands-on demonstration of what happens when you are none of the above.
I am glad you are ok.
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08-10-09 06:07 #807
fka Captain Solo
Posts: 2409Where exactly did it happen?
What a bummer. Sorry it happened to you and your friend.
I am trying to figure out exactly where it happened.
After the tacos, you crossed Constitution and head up the hill, pass the policia station?
You headed further up, at the top of the hill, you turned left, heading towards the arc? There are a bunch of cheap hotels and SG in this area. There are also many mariachis hanging around looking for work. It happened at the entrance to one of the parking lot?
This area is pretty run down with a lot of shady characters. It may be safer to hang out in Coiahuila alley, as there are a lot of security cameras. They are less likely to attack there.
BTW, where did you get the money for cab fares if they took your wallet?
Originally Posted by ReallyaNiceGuy
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08-10-09 05:03 #806
Posts: 182Jumped and Robbed Today !
We are OK!
Yesterday evening a friend called and said his wife was going out of town and wanted to know if I wanted to go to TJ on Sunday. I said sure, we met in the valley at 10:30 AM, I drove and away we went.
Arrive at the border, cross, stopped at the McDonnell's go to bathroom but it closed, got a taxi and went to Adelitas, it was dead, we walk around, go to the bathroom and leave.
We head to Honk Kong, not a lot happening, we walk through and out the back to the Alley. Turn left, walk the alley, not a lot here either, turn left at the corner to go get some tacos.
Eating our tacos we talk about how dead it is, I tell my friend about Catarina and show him her pictures, he wants to see her, we finish our tacos, cross the street and head up Constitucion.
At the corner, Articleta, it's about 1:45 PM, we turn left, walk about 20 steps, at the end of the buildings at the driveway to a parking lot, we are jumped, on on each of us, choke hold, another guy, again one on each of us, starts trying to go through my pockets, the choke hold is so tight we both pass out. Next thing we know we waking up laying on the ground. It happened in a split second!
I am missing: Canon Digital Camera, Digital Video Camera, Wallet with $200.00, 3 Credit Cards and my Drivers License plus all the other misc. stuff you carry in your wallet.
My friend is missing: Wallet (he took his Credit Cards out) $340.00, Cellphone and his Passport.
The 3 Police cars arrive, they ask what happened, they walk around the street but they never even talked to anyone that was standing around, they came back and got in their cars. As they were trying to leave we stop them and ask about a report or something because my friend didn't have a Passport and we needed something to explain why at the border. They told us to go to the Police station at Gonzalez and International.
We walked there, explained what happened, the guy called the car/cars that were there, they showed up, they talked among themselves and then we are told we need to go to Ministeno Publico Orden Comon in Zona Rio on Ave. Rio Suchiates to get the report we needed..
We walk up a couple of blocks, flag down a cab, show the note to the guy, he says he knows where it is and off we go.
When we get there we are ignored, we try to talk to the lady behind the counter, no English, but she indicates she will get someone that speaks English, we wait. While we are waiting, I go outside to smoke, a nice young woman starts talking to my friend, he explains what happened, the nice young woman offers to help and explains it to the lady behind the counter, OK this is the place and she is getting someone that speaks English.
A man comes, we explain what happened, he asks us to write our information and what is missing, we give it to him, he gives it to the Woman behind the counter, she types it up, prints it out, the guy stamps and signs it and then gave it to us and showed us what we needed at the border.
Flag down a taxi and head to the border. At the counter we explain what happened, he typed in Isaac's information, asked a couple of questions and let us through.
I guess the lesson is: Do not leave the Zona and if you do, take a taxi.
Needless to say my friend wouldn't be back to YJ for a long time. I'll be back later this week, maybe twice!
Mike
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07-30-09 20:04 #805
fka Captain Solo
Posts: 2409Serge the Perv
It would be so funny to see Serge shaking and sweating in fear as he humps the leetle chicas, wearing his big helmet and full body armor.
Pervs would risk anything, including their lives, for pussies as you should know.
Originally Posted by Double
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07-30-09 17:12 #804
Posts: 153Better to be safe than dead.......
Originally Posted by Sgt Perv
Honestly, the safest thing is to stay out of harms way.Last edited by Double; 07-30-09 at 17:14. Reason: correct punc.
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07-29-09 18:34 #803
Posts: 644Hmm
Originally Posted by Peter Pan 2009
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07-29-09 08:29 #802
fka Captain Solo
Posts: 2409Wear your helmet
This news means there are a lot of hand guns in TJ waiting for sergeants and ex-sergeants.
Serg the Perv would be wise to wear his helmet and his flak jacket as he humps the leettle chicas.
Originally Posted by Sgt Perv